Winston’s own Muslim Problem

Winston Peters has failed to condemn Richard Prosser’s attack on Wogistan and Wogistanis. He has been very quiet on the whole issue, perhaps not wishing someone to dig up his own comments on Wogistanis.

Like this article by Jeremy Hall and Robert G Patman in 2005 in the Asia Times:

A combination of charisma, doggedness and a keen sense of political opportunism has helped make Peters one of New Zealand’s great political survivors. Over the last decade, Peters has often used emotive rhetoric during election campaigns to champion anti-immigration and trade-protection causes. Earlier this year, for example, he accused New Zealand’s law-abiding Muslim minority of “having two faces – a moderate face and a militant underbelly”. 

and this one from the Herald in July 2005:

In a speech directly linking “open- door immigration policies” to radical Islam, Mr Peters said the country’s history of religious tolerance and free speech was threatened by Muslim migrants who “do not share our traditions”.

“We cannot take our tradition of toleration for granted when we are importing fanatics for whom that tradition is alien,” he said.

“In New Zealand the Muslim community has been quick to show us their more moderate face, but there is a militant underbelly here as well.

“These two groups, the moderate and militant, fit hand and glove.

“Underneath it all the agenda is to promote fundamentalist Islam – indeed these groups are like the mythical Hydra, a serpent underbelly with multiple heads, capable of striking at any time and in any direction,” Mr Peters said.

and again in August 2005 fromt eh Herald again, where he blames the media:

If some Kiwis “took umbrage” at his claim that Islam was a “multi-headed serpent, ready to strike at any time” and that Muslim extremists were lurking in our suburbs, that was the media’s fault as well, the New Zealand First leader said.

At a public meeting in Whangarei yesterday, Mr Peters was ebullient as he delivered a speech entitled “Who Do You Believe?”

“The media said we were anti-Muslim, ignoring the fact that it was Muslims who expressed their concerns about these elements to us in the first place,” he told an audience of about 250 people.

Winston Peters is a corrupting influence ont eh body politic in New Zealand, he needs to be opposed with every breathe that we possess. Unfortunately the word is that National thinks they can re-habilitate Winston and cut a deal to retain power. It would be far better to throw Winston under a bus politically and sit it out in opposition than enter a coalition with such a snake.


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  • Dave

    I’m very surprised that there are 250 people turning up to his meeting in Whangarei, must have all been Journalists, or others turning up for the free scones.

  • thor42

    What he says is in fact *true*.

    Muslims here (and elsewhere) are quick to say (about Muslim terrorists) “Oh, they have misinterpreted the Quran.” BS – they have *not*. The Quran contains over 100 verses that are hateful towards “unbelievers”.
    So, when the Muslims waffle on about Islam being the “religion of peace”, they are *lying*.

    With (almost) 1400 years of genocide behind it (and counting), there seems to be an awful lot of “misinterpretation” going on……

    Here is one of the most evil and savage Muslims –
    Timur –

    Quote – “Timur’s armies were feared throughout Asia, Africa, and Europe, sizable parts of which were laid to ruin by his campaigns. Scholars estimate that his military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population”.

  • JC

    The Muslims of NZ made their position clear wrt terrorism in 2003:

    They clearly stake out a NZ Muslim position:

    “Within the context of New Zealand society, WE, Muslim citizens of New Zealand, feel that we are an integral part of the nation and consider all citizens as partners in the cause of peace and prosperity, irrespective of race, faith, or ethnicity. We are determined to honour our obligations to defend this nation and its fabric, well inspired by the spirit of our National Anthem which we aspire to see made true:God of Nations at thy Feet In the bonds of Love we Meet.”

    And they finish the declaration thus:

    “God save our New Zealand.”

    As I posted at the time these guys have staked out their position in NZ and thereby invited the public to judge them by it. My opinion at the time was to take their word and intent until there was some reason not to.. a decade on their word still holds good.. how does it compare with Winston’s positions over that time?


    • thor42

      They are lying.
      All this nonsense about “Islam denounces terrorism”. It does no such thing.
      As I mentioned, the Quran contains over 100 verses that preach extreme violence towards unbelievers.

      If you do not believe me, then believe the **apostates from Islam.** They will tell you exactly the same thing –

      Quote – “But we committed the ultimate sin of thinking and questioned the belief that was imposed on us and we came to realize that far from being a religion of truth, Islam is a hoax, it is hallucination of a sick mind and nothing but lies and
      deceits. ”

      Quote – “Why Mohammed was not a prophet:
      “One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live
      a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert,
      and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer
      or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior
      character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet
      Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans,
      looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives and their “right hand possessions” (Quran 33:50) He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion.”

      “Peaceful” religion, eh…….

      if you know anything about the history of Islam, you will realise that many of the earliest verses in the Quran (when Mohammad had little or no power), were peaceful-sounding “love for all, unicorn over rainbow” stuff. *However* – as soon as Mohammad gained some real power and influence, those verses were **abrogated** – made obsolete – and replaced by extremely violent and hateful ones.

      The verse about “if you kill one person, you kill all of mankind” is one of the *abrogated* ones. You should ask yourself – “**why is it that they would quote a verse that is no longer in force?**” There can be only one answer – **they have malicious intent.**

      Muslims play the “long game”. We can see this playing out in places like Malmo (Sweden), Dearborn (Michigan in the US) and the many Muslim no-go zones in the UK and Europe. Anyone who believes that Muslims here are really any different is naive in the extreme.

      • JC

        For the purposes of this debate I don’t care about Muhammed or the nutters in the Middle East.. I’m only interested in the NZ Muslim population and how it behaves. They’ve been here 150 years with little or no problems and they’ve been restrained in the face of plenty of approbation since 911.

        I believe in giving lawful groups a fair go.. until they do something that changes my mind, and the NZ Muslims have done nothing to change my mind.. I’d rather them than the green Taleban.

        However, I have reservations about the Somalis.. but thats a racial and cultural caution rather than religion.


  • J.M

    NZ has thankfully not really had any major problems with Muslims. I would not however want to take the risk of having a Muslim community here becoming any larger than it currently is.