Homeopathy is quackery, so the Poms get their government to fund it

Homeopathy is pure unadulterated 400X rubbish. It staggers me that they have never been prosecuted for fraud. Meanwhile in the UK the NHS funds this quackery.

The use of homoeopathy by the NHS has been described as “mad” by a former government scientific adviser who retired from his post last week.

Professor Sir John Beddington criticised the Government for ignoring his advice against the use of homoeopathic remedies by GPs and NHS run hospitals.

Sir John, who retired as chief scientific adviser to the Government on April 1, expressed frustration that ministers had continued to allow taxpayers money to be used to fund such treatments despite them having “no scientific basis”.

Homeopathy, which uses highly diluted extracts from plants, herbs and minerals to treat diseases, costs the NHS between £4 million and £12 million a year. 

The Prince of Wales is among the advocates of homoeopathy while Jeremy Hunt, the health secretary is also known to be a supporter, but it has been widely debunked by the medical community.

Sir John said the provision of homoeopathic remedies on the NHS was the only occasion during his five years as chief scientific adviser that his views had been “fundamentally ignored” by the Government.

He said “The only one I could think of was homoeopathy, which is mad. It has no underpinning of scientific basis.

“In fact all of the science points to the fact that it is not at all sensible.

“The clear evidence is saying this is wrong, but homoeopathy is still used on the NHS.”

 


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  • cows4me

    “Homoeopathy is pure unadulterated 400x rubbish” , could well be but perhaps you should consider the fact many hospitals have ministers, priests etc that go around to the patients and employ the power of prayers to help them. Prayers are invisible but some would argue they also have a positive effect on the patient. Also some patients are given placebos that would have no effect on their illness but they report a positive effect. The brain or mind is an extremely powerful organ and if the belief is there amazing things can be achieved. Prayers, placebos or homoeopathy may all be considered quackery but the positive results gained by these things can not be argued against.

    • NotForTurning

      positive results gained by these things can not be argued against.

      Who gives a shit about results, either for quackery or for modern medical science or whatever? What we give a shit about is having to pay for any kind of so-called “care” for bludgers who have chosen not to make their own provision.

      • cows4me

        Well if it works is it not better to have hospital beds empty. I’m not supporting quackery but surely it’s cheaper to keep someone out of hospital?

        • Polish Pride

          Damn you and me are often at odds but you are making a hell of a lot of sense today.

          • cows4me

            Perhaps you are just having a bad day PP

      • Polish Pride

        Until the day you or a loved one is old, sick or something else and then find yourself or them in need of assistance.

    • NotForTurning

      hospitals have ministers, priests etc

      Paid by the churches – not by the state

      • HtD

        Churches are tax exempt. No corporation tax, property tax, income tax, GST/VAT. So we all subsidise it.

  • NotForTurning

    Welfare is if anything more destructive – and the Poms – and Kiwis – get society – the “government” to fund that too.

    Especially that this week we should all remember that there is no such thing as society

    There are only 5-10% nett taxpayers and 90-95% bludgers. So this comes down to asking “the few” – the 5% nett taxpayers who are already paying for everything for everyone else to pay yet more for bludgers.

    • Polish Pride

      doesn’t sound like the system works very well then. Perhaps we need a system that works for everyone.

  • peterwn

    Very cynically, it may be better for the state to fund some quackery to take some political heat out of things. It could have some economic benefit because of the placebo effect.

    • NotForTurning

      Very cynically, if the state didn’t fund any healthcare at all, not only would there be no ‘political heat’ to be had, but the numbers of bludgers would be rapidly reduced.

      • Hazards001

        Good to see no matter what nic you settle on you’re still a complete whack job

    • James

      Except that you can get homeopathic measles vaccinations and homeopathic anti-malarials. These people are directly responsible for deaths. The only state funding that they should be getting is a prison cell.

      • peterwn

        Agreed on this one. And chiropractors who seem to think they can cure childrens’ ailments.

  • TomTom

    Labour and the unions would be screaming if we tried to cut any similar shite here in NZ. “OUR SICK PEOPLE NEED MORE HOMEOPATHS INSTEAD OF NURSES.”

    Just look at them wailing over hospital kitchens, which are so universally awful that “TV style dinners” (thanks Annette King) are much more appetising.

    • NotForTurning

      Why the fuck should we pay for dinners for hospital customers anyway?

      Or prisoners for that matter?

      Why can’t bludgers even feed themselves?

      • TomTom

        …how do you expect to keep prisoners alive in prison? But actually, perhaps the two central kitchens for all hospitals they’re proposing could also be used for prisons.

        And as for hospitals. I dislike paying taxes, and I will dislike it even more when I get going once I finish studying and go full time, but hospitals are necessary and I don’t mind paying taxes toward that. I wouldn’t be where I am today without Starship Hospital. Some welfare will always be necessary, but the amount of welfare through WFF and WINZ are definitely way over the top.

        • Polish Pride

          until the day you find yourself in a position through no fault of your own and need some help from WFF or WINZ

          • TomTom

            WFF is NOT necessary! If raising kids is expensive, then don’t have so fucking many! WINZ benefits in my view should be temporary – as it is, there are many people who have been on it for so many months, and even years. The only exception would be sickness benefit and carer support benefit (for children with certain disabilities.)

          • Polish Pride

            So think about why govts would have such a policy. especially as it could be argued that WFF encourages people to have kids. Why would a govt do that…..you might want to retire one day, you might want to receive a pension. You think your taxes are sitting there ready to pay for that?
            WFF is the govt encouraging couples to have future tax payers.

          • TomTom

            Don’t talk bullshit. If that was the case, then the government would be doing that through cash incentives for each child born, regardless of the financial situations of parents. Y’know, like Australia.

            And you say that WFF is a means of getting a bigger taxpayer base to pay for the super? What the actual fuck are you going to with the debt generated from the WFF scheme? Just gonna ignore it, eh? The problem of the super is easily solved, push the age of retirement up. People are living longer, therefore they should be retiring later. Another solution: encourage more saving.

          • Polish Pride

            There was no debt it was covered with the higher tax take. This might surprise you but as for following Australia. We as a country can’t afford to. They mine their minerals we don’t.
            Yes the retirement problem is easily solved but this wasn’t even tabled as an option at the time WFF was introduced.
            Don’t focus too much on the retirement aspect. That is one part. The key point is that WFF whether you can see it or not is about encouraging more little future tax payers. Why do you think National haven’t canned it. It aint rocket science.

          • TomTom

            You can’t have it both ways. First you’re telling me I gotta focus on the retirement aspect, and then you’re telling me I can’t. And I’m pretty sure that the Australian way is cheaper per child.

            And a higher tax rate? So you mean rich people are yet again paying for other people have to more babies? The very same people who also miss out on getting access to it?

            And National hasn’t got rid of it because it’s essentially a voter bribe – now that’s it’s in place, many middle class people (who shouldn’t have it anyways) would like it to stay, no matter what. National cannot stay in power if it makes getting rid of WFF a campaign promise.

        • Richard McGrath

          Hospitals are a good thing, agreed, so why the hell would you want the state running them?

          • Mr_Blobby

            Hospitals are one of the best places to go to if you want to get sick.

          • Polish Pride

            because if you don’t no one will be able to afford health care when they need it

    • Mr_Blobby

      So true a friend who was in hospital for a week rang me up and begged me to bring him a pizza. He could not eat the slop they called food.

      Just a thought does anybody know if the pizza shops deliver to hospitals?????

  • Jman

    It’s a disgrace that the health secretary supports pseudo-science in this day and age. They may as well fund acupuncture, magnetic healing and touch therapy. In fact they probably do.

    • James

      You can get acupuncture on ACC – so our taxes (Ok, “levies”) do fund “alternative” therapies.
      As the saying goes: “What do they call alternative medicine which has been proven to work? Medicine”.

    • Polish Pride

      acupuncture has been developed over 1000s of years. If you don’t believe it works I can get my acupuncturist to activate a series of points that will convince you pretty quick. :)
      Interestingly in China Doctors were once paid to keep people well. The moment a person got sick they stopped paying intil the doctor returned them to a state of well being.

      • Jman

        The fact it’s been practiced for 1000’s of years simply means the placebo effect has worked for 1000’s of years. But I know I won’t change your mind. Keep believing if it works for you. But don’t ask for my taxes to support your delusions.

  • Steve (North Shore)

    Some of the elderly think that homeopathy, acupuncture etc is helping them to feel better in their golden years.

    Why not let them spend a little of your inheritance you mean greedy bastards?
    Yeah it is quackery, but at 85 if the mind tells you that you feel better then wtf?

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