Labour wants Len’s train set “as quickly as possible”

via bombardier.com

via bombardier.com

Transport spokesman Iain Lees-Galloway says the crash shows how vulnerable the Auckland roading network is.

“And the need for a mixture of options for people to travel to and from work each day.

“And particularly it’s just a reminder of why the city rail link is such an important option, that we really should be pursuing as quickly as possible.”

Can anyone tell the difference between Labour and the Green Taliban anymore?

Labour is rushing towards all the Green policies and embracing them with the enthusiasm of someone drowning grabbing hold of a life preserver.

It would be amusing if it wasn’t for the fact that between those two lunatic parties, we could see ourselves in a situation where all new roading projects are frozen while they put a few billion into Loopy Len’s Loop.

 

Source:  Newstalk ZB

 


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  • JeffDaRef

    Please lefties – do tell exactly what difference the trains would have made to the holdups as a result of that crash???
    SFA, thats what!

    • Ronnie Chow

      Greens . You just leave your vehicle on the motorway , and walk to the nearest station , never to drive again .

      Pragmatists . No difference at all .

  • Gazzaw

    And rail networks are not vulnerable when system breakdowns occur? Detours represent a bit of a challenge.

  • justin

    National’s position as the left party of government has pushed Labour further out to the left.

  • ratesarerevolting

    Len Brown is a fucking cunt !

  • Brian of Mt Wellington

    If that sort of car crash happened every day around the same time then there maybe a good argument. Len Brown and his train set are really getting annoying.

  • kohibruce

    A train set would work best in Len’s office by keeping him busy celebrating the achievement of his dream.

  • LabTested

    Picture is of a tram, not a train. I don’t know why trams have never come up in the transport discussion for Auckland

    • sheppy

      Colin Craig suggested above ground pods when he ran for mayor. Cheaper, more convenient and would have served more people whilst being reliable and easily expandable.
      Such a shame that idea didn’t get adopted!
      Would have made way more sense than Len’s train set

    • I added the image to the post. I searched for “light rail”. If someone can enlighten me what the difference between light rail and a tram is, I’d appreciate it :)

      • LabTested

        Semantics. Although while trams have traditionally run on the same street as cars, modern tram systems sometimes have dedicated tram only routes to keep the trams separated from the cars. Rather than building a bus lane you build a tram lane & get light rail

        • Peterkar

          Not merely semantics, if it makes any difference. Trams run in grooves; trains run on rails.

          • LabTested

            ‘Trams run in grooves; trains run on rails’ – Correct. I ride one of these to work every day when in europe & there are no rails. It runs in grooves. Sometimes on a Light Rail system & sometimes down the street chasing cars

            Attached youtube (from 47 seconds) a Portuguese Light Rail system. Note Groves & no rails. Therefore it is a Tram. Watching the people crossing the tracks at minute 4. You could not wander infront of a train like this

          • LabTested

            Here is a Melbourne Tram. Note the only difference between the Portuguese Light Rail & the Melbourne Tram is that the Tram is on a normal street & the Light Rail is not

          • johnbronkhorst

            Wellington TRAMS ran on rails.. still do at QE 2 park Paraparaumu.

      • johnbronkhorst

        Traditionally, I believe a tram was generally a single carriage on rails, like a bus (on rails). A train is/was literally a “train” of carriages linked together pulled or pushed by a single engine.

      • Patrick

        London Docklands has light rail – to all intents it looks the same as any other rail but I assume it isn’t capable of carrying heavy freight. In terms of engineering my guess is the bridges etc are not designed for the greater loadings.

  • Alloytoo

    The “Inner” city rail loop is going to do SFA for the suburbs not serviced at all by rail.

    I personally like rail, but Len’s plan doesn’t appear to cater the outer suburbs at all. (all Lens plans seem to be like that)

    • J.M

      There is some truth to that, however there is plenty of scope to expand the rail network from what it is now. The CRL by necessity is the first step in that.

  • cows4me

    So how will loopy Lens train set work, electricity? I do hope Mumblers and his two bob mate have considered the power to run these things will have to come from somewhere. If the Browns are going to lower the amount of revenue available then the infrastructure for the rail networks will have to be funded somehow. In the end the same people will be paying, you.

    • Patrick

      Maybe nationalising the power companies is part of the plan – the taxpayers will subsidise the train companies electricity requirements thus making the running costs a bit more feasible. I mean if you control the supply of electricity then you can decide who is “most favourable” & therefore a recipient of your goodwill. Next step will be cheaper power for leftie voters.

  • Salacious T Crumb

    Every year parts of Melbourne are brought to a standstill when there is crash or fatality involving trams or pedestrians. How vulnerable does that make them? Not to mention the obligatory industrial actions that take them out for a day to to also.

  • williamabong

    Ian Two-Dads should stick to what he’s good at, trying to run one up his office staff.
    Just leave the serious stuff to the big boys Ian.

  • Colin Cloudesley

    I look at this and it is a fun ride round Dokland, only for the central area, what about the outer area for the rest of Auckland people? That’s why you need roads!!!

  • johnbronkhorst

    So…..it will take nearly 10 years to build this CRT…..how will he prevent crashes and delays on the road until then??Assuming of course that crashes and delays on the road will be prevented by this train set?

    • Patrick

      Perth has a superb train set, paid for by the wealth of mining in WA. Funny I see plenty of crashes on the motorway despite the trains. Len Brown is a lying manipulative corrupt prick

      • Mr_Blobby

        How many outages have we had through signal failure etc, where every train user was late for work.

  • johnbronkhorst

    A thought:
    Hasn’t the Waterview connection been approved? For years this relatively small roading project, was seen as a great leap towards curing the congestion. The only reason it didn’t get build between 1999 and 2008, when we supposedly had all those surplus’, was because it went through dear old auntie Helens electorate.

    • AnonWgtn

      And Helen said it would go through her electorate “over my dead body” – shame

  • unitedtribes

    Part of the problem of congested motorways is accidents and in the case of fatal ones becoming crime scenes. This allows police to think they have a right to hold up half the population of the country for hours while they take some measurements and photo’s. I know it is important to hold people who cause accidents to account but what actually happens is unreasonable. Surely they should be able to get the information they need in a few minutes and let the rest of us get on with life.

  • Guest

    This is just another reminder of how out of touch Len Brown,
    Labour, and the Greens are with Aucklanders and the rest of New Zealand.
    Instead of being pragmatic and adapting solutions that work, they are more than
    happy to push ideological rubbish down our throats as long as tax payers and
    those rich pricks in cars are paying for them.

    Len Browns (supported by Labour and the Greens) unitary plan
    is one of the greatest cons of the century. His ‘vision’ of making Auckland the
    most liveable city involves stripping the peoples democratic appeal rights away
    and slipping the plan under the radar in order to create the great slums of
    Auckland. Under Len Browns watch, housing prices continue to increase – a simple
    case of supply and demand. Ironically, both Labour and the Greens continue to
    push for Len Browns slum creation plan despite them receiving no mandate to do
    so at the last election (hint: they weren’t elected).

    Transport policy for Auckland is probably tied for first
    equal in terms of being undemocratic (something this big should be put to the
    ratepayers) and just bad policy. It significantly penalises tax payers, rate
    payers, and non-users of the so-called ‘rail loop’ so Len Brown can take his
    once a month trip on it. However there are several major failures which means
    one should think twice before committing to a rail loop:

    * Public transport is not as efficient as private
    modes of transport, despite having taxpayer/ratepayer subsidies hiding the true
    cost.
    * Why trains? It’s a very large amount of money that will
    provide marginal (at best) benefits for areas that are already well served by
    buses and private transport.
    * When Len Brown/Greens talk about crashes causing
    traffic mayhem, remember what happens when you have signalling failures – the entire network shuts down and nothing can move. Any minor failure will shut the entire network down! For private transport and buses, at
    least they can move around the crash (including taking alternative routes).
    * Most of the biggest issues causing traffic
    issues is a direct result of Len Browns councils egos promoting only one CBD. There are plenty of alternative locations available and plenty that could be house many businesses. No subsidies required, just promoting the benefits (ie. Lighter traffic, cheaper parking, cheaper land etc).
    * Private transport already contributes a lot: fuel taxes and excises, parking revenue, registration values, job creation through servicing etc. Its fair to say that they largely pay their own way (compared to public transport options).
    through servicing the private transport fleet.
    It works, its timely, and its efficient.

  • Concerned Ratepayer

    This is just another reminder of how out of touch Len Brown,
    Labour, and the Greens are with Aucklanders and the rest of New Zealand.
    Instead of being pragmatic and adapting solutions that work, they are more than
    happy to push ideological rubbish down our throats as long as tax payers and
    those rich pricks in cars are paying for them.

    Len Browns (supported by Labour and the Greens) unitary plan
    is one of the greatest cons of the century. His ‘vision’ of making Auckland the
    most liveable city involves stripping the peoples democratic appeal rights away
    and slipping the plan under the radar in order to create the great slums of
    Auckland. Under Len Browns watch, housing prices continue to increase – a simple
    case of supply and demand. Ironically, both Labour and the Greens continue to
    push for Len Browns slum creation plan despite them receiving no mandate to do
    so at the last election (hint: they weren’t elected).

    Transport policy for Auckland is probably tied for first
    equal in terms of being undemocratic (something this big should be put to the
    ratepayers) and just bad policy. It significantly penalises tax payers, rate
    payers, and non-users of the so-called ‘rail loop’ so Len Brown can take his
    once a month trip on it. However there are several major failures which means
    one should think twice before committing to a rail loop:

    * Public transport is not as efficient as private
    modes of transport, despite having taxpayer/ratepayer subsidies hiding the true
    cost.
    * Why trains? It’s a very large amount of money that will
    provide marginal (at best) benefits for areas that are already well served by
    buses and private transport.
    * When Len Brown/Greens talk about crashes causing
    traffic
    mayhem, remember what happens when you have signalling failures – the
    entire network shuts down and nothing can move. Any minor failure will
    shut the entire network down! For private transport and buses, at
    least they can move around the crash (including taking alternative routes).
    * Most of the biggest issues causing traffic
    issues
    is a direct result of Len Browns councils egos promoting only one CBD.
    There are plenty of alternative locations available and plenty that
    could be house many businesses. No subsidies required, just promoting
    the benefits (ie. Lighter traffic, cheaper parking, cheaper land etc).
    *
    Private transport already contributes a lot: fuel taxes and excises,
    parking revenue, registration values, job creation through servicing
    etc. Its fair to say that they largely pay their own way (compared to
    public transport options).

    • Patrick

      He isn’t out of touch at all, he is playing to the gallery – his voters, the ones that secured his tenure as mayor love this stuff. Putting it up the “rich pricks” is what they are all about.

  • Mr_Blobby

    Public transport is public transport.

    So how about this.

    Convert buses to run on train tracks when a track is available and drive normally on roads when tracks are not available.

    Or is that to simplistic.

    • gander

      The Brits demonstrated just such a “Railbus” at the 1986 Vancouver Expo.

  • J.M

    Dead wrong again on transport issues Cameron. Are you that myopic that you can’t see any link between Auckland’s aweful traffic congestion and the piss poor rail network Auckland has?

    • Mr_Blobby

      You Fucktard. The long suffering ratepayers of Auckland cannot afford to subsidize a world class Bus, Train and Ferry network.

      Put in all the public transport you like but if it can’t pay for itself, then it is a waste of time. Charge what it really costs and if people want to use it they will.

      My household contributes hundreds of dollars a year for a service, we just don’t use.

      • J.M

        Fucktard? I’ll leave you to wallow in your own myopia. Cunt.

  • Dumrse

    Len is sitting on a cunning stunt. He will force all JAFA’s onto his train set by then setting a “congestion tax” regime for the CBD. Works in London, certainly works in Singapore. I wouldn’t trust the stunning c*nt.

    • johnbronkhorst

      “Works in London” ?????????????????????? Have you ever driven in London?? It’s a nightmare!!! People have their GPS set to avoid the congestion charge area, so the immediate surrounds of this area are clogged. I even caught a taxi to the airport…his GPS warned him of EVERY speed camera on the route…it was a pretty quick trip!!!
      In London the public transport system is over 100 years old and is maxed out!!!
      Public transport is so extensive in London, because when they built it, it was the ONLY effective method of transport, cars & trucks not really being on the road at the time.

      • AnonWgtn

        London Underground construction started in 1870’s

        • johnbronkhorst

          Thought and was going to say 150 years but couldn’t actually remember!

        • Average traffic speed in London in 1899 was 5mph, 1999 it was still 5mph (sign on the tube when I was there at the turn of the millennium)

        • Grizz30

          And build with private money which was ultimately paid for by patrons.

  • GregM

    I have a solution. It seems to me on the northern motorway the traffic crawls until you get to the harbour bridge. Why not extend the movable median barrier all the way to Albany? Two extra lanes at rush hour = problem solved, cost = bugger all.

    • Hazards001

      There are 2 extra lanes already…mostly empty all the time. The Northern Bus way.

      1) Open the bus way to trucks and contractors that have to use a vehicle and charge a premium rate for it’s use. Don’t want to pay the rate..stay off.

      2) The bus way is a park and ride…NOT. Apparently they are building a park and ride in Sliverdale at the moment to stop the Hibiscus Coasters from pinching all the Albany ones….I say apparently..I haven’t seen it..it’s needed.

      3) Albany, Constellation, Akoranga and Sunnynook should all have had high rise parking (free) put in. But the Councils actual mandate was to attempt to force people to bus from home…not gonna happen…time to back down and build the parking.

      • Didn’t work because the archaic bus routes and planning systems don’t know how to handle people’s travel in a city like Auckland c.f. Los Angeles – same problem!

        Rail could work better however need more loops covering more of the city and separate passenger (turn it into light rail) and freight heavy rail). So I don’t ever see it happening, central government like roads and giving our money away to big business hand over fist.

        • Hazards001

          How is rail going to get across the harbour from the shore? Float? The harbour bridge cannot take any extra weight..not a doesn’t want too..CAN’T!

          A tunnel maybe? Pfffft.

          You want rail you better be ready to pay for another bridge.

    • NotForTurning

      I have a better solution. Congestion change, say $2500 for access to motorways same again for the CBD, free when cars worth over $100,000 are registered.

  • NotForTurning

    You know what’s really kind of sad:

    1999 Tired Shipley loses, Shiny new Hellen “elected”
    2008 TIred Hellen loses, Shiny new Key elected!

    2002 English runs lackluster campaign, Hellen “re-elected”
    2011 Goff runs lackluster campaign, Key, re-elected

    2005 Brash tacks hard RIGHT to ACT, Hellen “re-elected” in an election they expected to lose
    2014 Shearer tacks hard LEFT to GREEN, Key “re-elected” in an election they expected to lose

    2008 TIred Hellen loses, Shiny new Key elected!
    2017 Tired Key/English lose, Shiny new Chipkins+Goff elected

    and on we go!
    2020 Joyce runs lackluster campaign, Chipkins+Goff re-elected
    2023 Crusher Collins tacks hard RIGHT to CONSERVATIVES, Chipkins re-elected
    2026 Shiny new Slater+Joyce elected!

    Is the country really that stupid – or are the policies all really the same and all we’re voting on is NZ Idol?

    • johnbronkhorst

      1…..God help us if the idiot boy hipkins is ever anywhere near power.

      2…..2014 will depend on the numbers, but national will have to make sure everyone knows the numbers!!! ie unemployment down, growth up, debt down etc

      3…..2017 will depend largely on 2014and being able to marginalise labour, making hipkins irrelevant!

    • Phill

      2005 – Helen and Cullen throw a lolly scramble in the form of WFF and Interest free student loans. Buy themselves a further term in govt.

      • NotForTurning

        Hmm so what lollies will Key throw to his voters? Windfall gains on power company shares?

        • Phill

          You really are ingnorant arn’t you. If there are any windfall gains (Prob not if Greens continue with their comunist retoric) it will be because thats the way the market works. JK is not throwing lollies. They are encouraging people to put ther money into more productive sectors. (you know, like Sheep shagger has been harping on about before they made the big U-Turn.) If I do get windfall returns it will be because I invested my hard earned cash in a co. that does well.
          I suggest you go and get schooled on how the stockmarket actually works before you put your other foot in your mouth.

          • NotForTurning

            Nope. Labour/Greens rhetoric guarantees windfall gains for anyone who gets in quick & sells on before the re-nationalisation.

          • Phill

            So that would be a Labour/Greens lolly scramble again. Enabling the behaviour they are dead against, and driving investors back to the property market.
            Bloody Idiots dont have a clue!

  • LesleyNZ

    Hope Len and Iain Lees-Galloway and Labour read John Roughan’s article in this weekend’s NZ Herald. It is spot on. About time Auckland Transport gave the green light for commuters with 2 or more people in a car to use the Esmonde Road bus lane to go to the city. Very few buses use this lane. An inner city rail link WILL NOT have any effect on the traffic jams we saw on Wednesday and Friday evenings. The traffic control lights at the access points to the motorway were holding up traffic and were not doing the job they were designed to do – they were not ensuring traffic flowed smoothly merging like a zip onto the motorway.
    It’s the roads not the motorway:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10879979
    “Len Brown was on the North Shore not so long ago ticking some boxes. He opposed an 18-storey apartment block over the Milford shops, he was certain rail would come to the Shore one day and he supported a second harbour crossing.
    Only the first of those is a live issue. A railway never enters our conversation and a second harbour crossing is something the rest of Auckland thinks we must need but we really don’t.
    Anybody who uses the northern motorway during the morning peak knows the existing harbour bridge is the only bit that nearly always functions perfectly. Traffic normally crawls all the way from the most northern ramps until it passes the last and then, magically, it can spread out, gathers speed and flows over the bridge at a good pace.
    There is no magic about it, of course – just imaginative traffic engineering. The bridge’s moveable median barrier makes one more lane available southward in the morning and homeward in the evening. It’s brilliant.
    But a second harbour crossing is always the first thing that springs to mind when the city contemplates future infrastructure, and it is fun to plot possible routes for another bridge or a tunnel. It’s fun mixed with frisson if you can imagine how a second bridge anywhere within sight of the first would ruin the Waitemata visually.
    The crossing would have to be under water and probably it would be connected to the northern busway that one day conceivably could be converted to a railway, but that, too, is a solution looking for a problem.
    The busway, like the bridge, is fine.
    The problem lies in roads closer to home. By car it can take as long to get on to the motorway as it takes for the rest of the journey. By bus it takes too long to get to a busway station. Once on the busway, you can be in the city in eight minutes.
    In fact, the North Shore is probably better served by the busway than the rest of Auckland is by its railways, which also have to be reached by bus or car from most people’s homes.
    The only reason the mayor invokes rail for the Shore is to answer its ratepayers when they ask why they should help pay for a project that isn’t coming their way. It’s a silly answer to a silly question but this is election year.
    Traffic engineering is probably the only realistic solution to Auckland’s congestion.
    It might not be possible to extend the bridge’s moveable barriers along the motorways but much more could be done to improve the rest of the road network.
    The engineers hit on a good idea when they installed lights on motorway ramps, though most peak-hour commuters probably don’t agree. The signals don’t seem to be functioning as we were assured they would. They are holding back traffic too long when the motorway flow is light, and letting too many go when it is clogged.
    Sadly, this is no surprise to anyone who knows Auckland traffic management. Visitors from other places remark on how long the lights in Auckland take to change and how poorly they are co-ordinated.
    It is particularly noticeable when the roads are empty late at night. In other cities your approach will trigger a green light almost immediately. Not here.
    The gremlins in this city take a devilish delight in making you wait long minutes for no obvious reason.
    More than once I’ve lost patience and driven through the red, composing an argument for the court that it had been reasonable to suppose the lights were malfunctioning.
    In other cities it is possible to travel along main roads through signals that are perfectly in sync with the traffic flow. And it has been so for about 50 years. Synchronised lights long predate computers.
    With modern technology you would think it would be possible to control traffic systems to keep all roads running at their capacity.
    No doubt there is a traffic control centre somewhere in Auckland where Len Brown’s minions are using closed circuit cameras to watch intersections and do little else.
    If I had a suspicious cast of mind I would imagine their delight as they watched our frustration, telling themselves we deserved it for our determination to drive cars.
    I need a candidate for the Auckland Council who will undertake to synchronise the traffic lights – not just for cars, the benefit would be shared by bus passengers whose frustration is much greater than mine. They say buses through our suburb are running up to 40 minutes late at the moment.
    If the mayor lived here he wouldn’t be talking about railways and second crossings, he would notice the busway and the bridge and see what clever roads can do.”

    would notice the busway and the bridge and see what clever roads can do.

    • Hazards001

      See my reply to Greg M Lesley.

      • Hazards001

        But sorry don’t agree with letting cars with 2 people onto the bus way as a right. They are the people that are the cause of the congestion in the first place. More often than not the passenger is some entitled kid getting a ride to Grammer School or the like.

        If you want on the bus way. Pay…and pay a lot. It should be reserved for vehicles that contribute to the economy…not lazy bastards that just don’t want to catch a bus in case they get wet!

        As for the signals they do exactly what they were intended to do…which is push traffic into the ‘burbs to keep the motor ways flowing..as I often have to travel from one end of Auckland to the other I support that.

        Interesting that you are one of the entitled when it suits you…”More than once I’ve lost patience and driven through the red,….”

        Personally I obey all the road rules…even the ones I don’t like..such as doing 50k or not driving after 10 beers even though I’m clearly a better driver after 10 beers than many on the roads…right?

        Seems your no better than anyone else huh? Personally I obey all

    • Create better linking buses to the northern busway, maybe directional bus lane in center of larger roads operated by lights – towards town in the morning, away from town in the afternoon – like Shakespeare Road?

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