Revenue Minister upset about Police revenue gathering [POLL]



It’s not often we get to see Peter Dunne throw his toys out of the cot.  It seems hidden speed cameras is the issue that’s most important for our United Future battler

Revenue Minister Peter Dunne has taken the unusual step of criticising police over their covert speed camera policy, which he says is a subterfuge aimed at making money.

The veteran MP is so angry about covert speed camera vans he has tried to use the Official Information Act to get police to tell him exactly which areas in Wellington and the Hutt Valley are using them.

Why not nationwide Peter?  Don’t we deserve to  know?

But police refused to tell him saying it would prejudice the maintenance of the law.

“I think what all this subterfuge is about is police having a nice little earner,” says Dunne.

Speed cameras snap almost 700,000 speeding drivers a year. Fines worth almost $50 million were issued last year.

Why is Peter really angry?  Is it because the Police is more effective in revenue gathering than he is?

While it is highly unusual for Government ministers to criticise police on operational matters, Dunne said he is speaking for all motorists.

“I think being treated as almost criminals, as the police seem to imply, is a bit ridiculous, I’m sure burglars and other criminals are laughing all the way to the next crime.”

You know what?  If I didn’t know any better, I’d say he’s trying out what it’s like to be in opposition.

What do you think about hidden speed cameras?

  • They are a cynical revenue gathering exercise (55%, 207 Votes)
  • I don't care. Just don't speed. Easy. (31%, 118 Votes)
  • They save lives and punish the idiots. They're great (12%, 47 Votes)
  • Not sure / Something else (1%, 5 Votes)

Total Voters: 377

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  • Gazzaw

    Don’t speed Pete. End of story.

    If you do speed and most us do at times for one reason or another don’t whinge if you’re caught – it’s just a cost of doing the business that is everyday life.

    Fuck, I hate whingers.

    • Mr_Blobby

      Yes I will whinge because it is not about road safety and can never be. It is all about the money, only it is probably the most inefficient and haphazard way to collect TAX.

      Name one activity that enforcement has stopped. Criminals still break the law, Mums and Dads still get tickets. It is a failed policy, or is it. Maybe it is really just about the revenue, with a propaganda spin on public safety.

      • Bunswalla

        It doesn’t matter what “it’s about” – it’s the only tax in NZ you can choose not to pay. Just don’t speed – not exactly rocket science….

  • Travis Poulson

    Of course it is easy to write off speed cameras as revenue gatherers, but it is also just as easy not to speed therefore eliminating the chance to get caught.

    The amusing irony of people complaining about getting caught by speed cameras is the fact that you have to actually break the law to do it.

    Did Peter get a ticket in the mail I wonder?

    • Hazards001

      “Did Peter get a ticket in the mail I wonder?”
      Was my first thought too.

  • hamsap

    From a traffic engineering point of view, speed camera IS NOT a proven safety improvement device… but hey, if you can easily get an extra $50m a year, then why not? Its a public secret that the camera are pointless, yet no politician is brave enough to admit the failed propaganda…

    • blokeintakapuna

      Or maybe the tickets are designed to make you consider your behaviour… Thereby changing anti social behaviour and making public roads a bit safer for us all… But hopefully also reducing the roadside carnage and death the police and others also have to deal with too when speed is involved.

      Its probably more speed, testosterone overdose, inexperienced drivers, fast cheap cars, alcohol, binge drinking culture and showing off to the hottie how cool I can be, rather than just speed as the only issue though. It’s a combo and one that emergency services have to deal with everyday. Spend time in a busy A&E to know how grizzly those experiences must be when mass and velocity meets stationary flesh.

      Speeding tickets are a tax on stupidity and public safety. Seed restrictions are not there as an inconvenience for drivers, but are there for everyone’s safety.

      It’s not rocket science people! …and as for queue jumpers…

      • Hazards001

        Hear Hear…and as for queue jumpers….hung drawn and quartered sounds good to me….

        • Hazards001

          Well well…look how many of the entitled feel that queue jumping is ok…for them…watch out for me you won’t get in

      • Patrick

        Inattention is the single biggest contributor to road traffic accidents, not speed, not alcohol. Unfortunately from a policing point of view inattention is pretty hard to measure, thus hard to prosecute. Speed & alcohol are much easier to measure

      • Mediaan

        When I learned to drive, the Road Code said, “Drive at a safe speed. We aren’t looking so much at numbers, we are looking for safe sensible behaviour.” There were limits, but they treated them as a guide.

        Incidentally, why don’t they mark the roads better with the Speed Limit for that place? Half the time you have to guess.

        Would it really be so difficult to put in a colour-coded marker on the road every few kms?

  • “I think being treated as almost criminals…. is a bit ridiculous, I’m sure burglars and other criminals are laughing all the way to the next crime.”

    I wonder how many people getting an unnecessary tax audit by his Department say the same thing?
    His lack of awareness of even basic day to day life activities and attitudes is breathtaking!

    • Travis Poulson

      I don’t see how covert speed cameras have any affect on burglars and other criminals (unless they get a ticket for speeding on the way to a ‘job’), after all they are manned by civilians.

    • The inference is that it directs police away from other crime fighting duties.

    • Mr_Blobby

      Try this on Minarchist.

      I meet a guy driving around in an unwarranted and unregistered car, the tickets still stuffed under the windscreen wiper. When I pointed this out to him he laughed. The registered owner of the car was in prison for a long time. good luck trying to collect.

      How about this I heard that burglars rather than use a stolen vehicle actually, report there own car as stolen, then use there own cars for crime. If someone notices them and reports it, they can say the car was stolen, if they get stopped in there own stolen car they just say it was stolen and recovered, they just forgot to notify the Police. You can’t be charged with stealing your own car.

      In short they really just don’t give a shit and are taking the piss with the justice system, which in reality can do nothing to discourage them.

      So our Justice system is an expensive, inefficient, ineffective, waste of time.

      The real travesty is that the beneficiaries of the public largess know this and are protected by the Politicians as judicial independence.

      • Some of those things never occured to me; shame more people are not honest and decent citizens.

        • Mr_Blobby

          To busy head down , bum up. Whilst the rest of us party it up on your generosity.

          You need to get out more.

      • Mr_V4

        I agree same as all those guys who rack up $30000 in fines. They are taking the system for what it is – a joke. Honest Mum and Dad, will of course pay their fines, but these guys just rack up infringements. Even if it makes it to court the judge will give a discount, so the level of fines in heavily discounted.
        Where is the deterrant?
        Then of course the police play with moving the tolerance to +/- 4km/h.

  • peterwn

    Police should run images through facial recognition software against driving licences and visitors’ passport photos and where there matches ping the driver with demerit points. For overseas visitors, they should be made to cough up before going through immigration.

    I think the police do investigate further where there is gross speeding to try and pin the driver. For example the young mechanics who removed the ‘dealer’ plate and went to and fro through a camera (unfortunately for them the plate was visible on the first ‘run’). Sergeant called round and had a word with the boss.

    I think the quicker the infringements are processed and posted the better the psychological effect – even send them by email.

    • Mr_V4

      Are overseas visitors really such a problem?

      We should be paying the overseas visitors as an apology for the poor state of our roads.

  • LesleyNZ

    Must be time to get in the media spotlight again ……….. now what was it he was going on about last time he was in the media spotlight? Was it Charter Schools?

  • Patrick

    What a clown, this is the same prick that wanted to tax people using work laptops at home & tax their company provided carparks, now he is being “taxed” for breaking the law & he whinges. The Police are just collecting hard earned taxpayers money that was paid to this dropkick in the mistaken belief that he would actually do something beneficial for NZ in return.

  • Jman

    Every time the issue of speed cameras is brought up, you get the self-righteous, smug types saying if you don’t speed you don’t pay the fines. These are no doubt the annoying oblivious drivers who slow down traffic on the road and waste everyones time.

    • Rodger T

      Indeed Jman, if these cameras a going to ticket people doing 10k over the limit they can ticket people doing 20 k under also.

    • Bunswalla

      Yes, no doubt you’re talking out your arse again. I sometimes speed, and I occasionally get caught. Just at Easter I got a ticket for doing 87 kph in an 80 zone. Didn’t even see the camera – no sweat, pay the $30, flush the dunny and move on.

      I’ve previously been DQ’ed for too many demerits, all for speeding. Since that extreme inconvenience I’ve modified my driving behaviour and seldom speed. If I do and I get caught, I don’t whinge about it.

    • Travis Poulson

      ” if you don’t speed you don’t pay the fines”

      If you don’t speed you don’t need to pay the fines, because you don’t get any.

      “These are no doubt the annoying oblivious drivers who slow down traffic on the road and waste everyones time.”

      No, just law abiding citizens with more than than ounce of common sense. Something you seem to be short on. What a dumb assumption.

      • Jman

        Just stay in the damm left hand lane on the motorway ok Travis and then you can pootle along your way happily safe in the knowledge that you are a good law-abiding citizen without annoying the crap out of normal drivers.

        • Travis Poulson

          See you’re skewing off on a tangent making an assumption that I drive slow. Either that or you’ve confused driving within the speed limit as meaning driving slow.

          And “normal driver”, really? heh. I drive cars, trucks etc on the motorways, so I know enough to know there’s no such thing as a “normal driver”. You’re probably one of those c#nts that pulls into the gap that truck drivers like me leave to give themselves extra stopping distance then wonder why they can see a big grille in their rear vision mirror….

      • Dion

        You have to admit that there are some bloody ignorant, slow drivers out there. The ones that get me are the ones driving road maggots or pulling caravans at 70kph on the open road.

        Most of them seem completely oblivious to the fact that the road has only two lanes and there are 20 cars behind them trying to get past.

        • Travis Poulson

          There sure are some slow drivers out there, but when was the last time you heard of someone being fined for driving too slow? Like shit parking, it doesn’t get policed.

  • Rodger T

    The Minister of the Bouffant ,appears to have taken the old adage” don`t steal,the govt doesn`t like competition”,one step too far.

  • Brian of Mt Wellington

    If you don’t speed you wont get a ticket. Just like if you don’t rob a bank you wont go to jail, simple.

    • Teletubby

      I’m with you on the “If you aren’t speeding you have nothing to worry about” but what does concern me is that the speeder is far more likely to get caught than the bank robber under current allocations of police resources.

  • Mr_Blobby

    Well well isn’t peter dunne a complete fucktard. It is nothing to do with road safety, it discourages. not many if any.

    It is just another form of inefficient revenue collection and a cost of doing business.

    It is all about the money shit head.

  • GregM

    I haven’t had a speeding ticket since 1989. Cruise control is your friend.

  • Never in the dark…..

    It’s a global dilemma. In other parts where traffic policing is handled by the city/municipal authority, as with parking infringements, the policing departments have revenue quotas to fill and often are the department to turn to when municipal coffers start looking dire.

    • GregM

      Reminds me of the Takapuna parking wardens, C**nts the lot of them.

      • Travis Poulson

        Had a bad run then Greg ;)

        • GregM

          WOF on the Rangie was two days overdue, $200. C**nts..

          • Travis Poulson

            Yep, they even patrol West Wave in Henderson, too bad for anyone there that has pool passes/gym memberships that get hammered for being there too long. That car park has cost me quite a bit of money.

          • rightoverlabour

            If its only 2 days, try challenging it, I had one challenged it, and had it converted to a warning. Its worth a try.

  • This is total bull shit! If you don’t want a ticket don’t speed how hard is that? If you speed you run the risk you’ll get a ticket your choice; if you choose to speed then pay the fine and stfu!

  • Mediaan

    Dunne is correct that it is unhelpful to treat people as criminals. That will just cause more bad driving. It will disorganise the timid and further alienate the aggro, convincing them more that police are the enemy.

    So will nasty insults and sometimes swearing on LTSA road signs. Counter-productive. These signs are sanctioned by police.

    They should focus on only serious bad driving (if it happens), and encourage good driver responsibility. (But not, not with idiot chocolate bars.)

  • David

    MMP prostitute and one-man band Peter Dunne will do anything to stay in the media spotlight. Do us all a favour Dunne and retire.

  • Guest

    Pretty sure that NZTA and local authorities are the ones who direct where the cameras go. I know that it is NZTA who funds the speed cameras entirely and I guess the police just run them.