Sunday General Debate

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  • starboard

    lol..sad but true

    • David Farrar is the worst at this

      • That explains his parking then.

      • starboard

        and real estate agents…they always have the phone to their ear, several times I have noticed it ring whilst they are in the middle of a ” conversation” ….tossers

      • peterwn

        Some people like Bob Jones and various newspaper editors have a choice with this. Schoolkids also have a choice – they need not ve txting mates all day. Unfortunately there are many others such as doctors, tradespeople, middle managers, polling company owners, etc who depend on cell phones etc for their livelihood.

        A girls school principal some years ago complained about Board members using phones during meetings – I said just wait until the girls started getting them.

  • starboard

    Wednesday, New Zealand will take a giant step backwards into the abyss of sodomy and debauchery . Remember, we reap what we sow.

    • no…. the black sabbath concert is on Saturday

    • Pete George

      Speak for yourself. I won’t be taking any steps into any abyss.

      What are you planning on doing?

    • I appreciate your point of view, but I can assure you that it won’t have an effect on my family in any discernable way. People that think that their lives will be observably impacted are a little excitable in think.

      • starboard

        Its the thin edge of the wedge. Next it will be 2 men adopting a child and pretending they are a family. Sickening.

        • Or marrying goats? That’s the next step surely?

          • starboard

            hey, if it feels good do it apparently..fucking liberals

          • Rodger T

            How does it impact your life? ..Fucking dinosaurs.

          • Gazzaw

            Fucking dinosaurs went out a few millenniums back Rodger. Wishful thinking?

          • Rodger T

            No Gaz, I can quite truthfully say I don`t want to shag a dinosaur ,tho` they are quite fun to argue with. : )

          • Gazzaw

            Touche Rodger!

          • starboard

            it will impact everyones life..the fabric of society will change..FFS cant you see that?! Are you homos that thick…blinded by your own deviancy? Mr and Mr Rodger T…stomach churning..

          • Rodger T

            Could you explain what you think the 2-4 % of the existing population that are homosexual or lesbian will be able to do to the “fabric of society” and how they are going to do it ?
            And I`ll explain it one more time FYI starboard,I`ve been married for 22yrs have two adult daughters and the new legislation will have zero effect on my marriage,your marriage(if an angry little dinosaur like you is married) or anyone elses marriage ,unless you want it to.

          • BJ

            FYI Roger – I’ve been married for 24 yrs, have 5 almost all adult children and 2 grandchildren and no it won’t impact my marriage or probably that of my children but for those of us that spend any time observing society changes good and bad and thinking about the exponential affect of these when they are getting further and further removed from what makes us co-hesive healthy caring society – I believe you have it wrong if you think making LGBT domestic arrangements mainstream for 2 men or two women to be accepted as a family will have no impact going forward – intimacy between man and woman will degenerate when the family of mother father and kids is not held up as the special base level of bonding and cooperation between the sexes. If you are only thinking in terms of it having no effect on your immediate world, I’d suggest you are not thinking big enough.

          • Rodger T

            I don`t suppose you have evidence to support your doomsday prediction BJ,seeing as gay couples have been around as long as humanity itself ,gays/lesbians have been raising children without a piece of paper from the state for just as long.
            You are trying to create a problem that does not exist,I would suggest that heterosexuals do not have a monopoly on good child raising skills.
            I think it is your obsession with the act of sex itself has clouded your judgement .

          • Gayguy

            Do not expect any proof. I have been asking for a very long time now, and the response is either a down vote, or silence.

          • BJ

            But it’s not just a piece of paper – it is a word to name a unique contract/partnership. The world would cease to exist without man and woman coming together – those of us that do the ‘work’ required to ensure that relationship continues in a creative way forward should be allowed to have that acknowledged by standing apart from any other modern variation.

          • A unique contract or partnership that 50% tear up when they feel like it…It isn’t gay people tearing up the fabric of society, it is heterosexuals

          • BJ

            “It isn’t gay people tearing up the fabric of society, it is heterosexuals.”

            Not the ones commenting on here, that believe that if ‘marriage ‘ is a free for all, heterosexuals will increasingly say – in the future – why bother with something that no longer is held up as the ideal setting for co-operation between the genders – it will become meaningless for heterosexuals to be married.

          • unsol

            “Not the ones commenting here” – awfully presumptuous! Judging by the comments on here I would say that some people have shite marriages – if they have managed to find someone who would consent to marrying them – and that they are probably the reason why people are getting married less & less.

            Heteros have killed marriage, they have made it a laughing stock. This is why many prefer de facto. They see no point in it, nothing of value – it is but a mere bit of paper that only takes a few minutes to translate into law yet is a headache….2 years……to get out of. So why bother? My husband & I did because I wanted to – he would have happily remained de facto for a good few years before getting around to formalising our commitment. He’s very much of the kind that things ‘if it’s all good then why change’….like many kiwi men. Me – I knew marriage was my thing. I firmly believe if you can sign for a property together then you should be able to sign for your relationship.

            So I think you need to re-read your comment & have a think about it BJ – if you think the calibre demonstrated on here in this debate is the standard by which we should all follow then I really think you need to raise your expectations. Vile comments or comments that amount to nothing more than handwringing, wailing & whinging show not only how despicable some people truly are, but also that many need to grow the hell up.

            Further your doomsday predictions also fail to acknowledge that 40% of NZ marriages end in divorce, & at least 1/3 of people cheat. Not to mention death of spouses etc which automatically means a 2 parent family becomes 1 parent.

            The only thing that is ruining the fabric of society is bad people making bad choices – from the mild end (WFF recipients who keep having children they can’t afford) to cheaters to those who beat, rape, abuse and/or kill women & children.

            And none of those things can be blamed on a mere 6% of the population (LGBT approx) or the 2.5% that are actually male (G/Trans without sex change).

            If you are that concerned about the moral compass of the world we live in then I suggest you cast a critical eye on the men around you after all, it is heterosexual men who cause society the most grief. Who are hurting their wives, partners, girlfriends & children far more than any other gender or sexual orientation.

          • Gayguy

            Yes the ones like you commenting on here.

            You are what is wrong with our society. To worried about hate, too worried about keeping those you dislike under your boot. You are harming NZ.

          • Rodger T

            It`s getting a little hard to take you seriously BJ, your insistence that it is the beginning of the end of the world and hetero couples will lose the urge to procreate is ridiculous.

            People were procreating before the word Marriage was created and will most certainly not stop procreating once same sex couples in NZ are able to marry .

            In fact BJ ,it is just a piece of paper , it is just a word ,most people marry because of LOVE not because of state sanctioned approval.

            If you need your churches approval good on you,if you need state approval go for it.

          • BJ

            No where did I say those things and no where have I ever mentioned church.

            Society will degenerate subtly over time, perhaps over many generations and it will be to do with not upholding humans core values – including the nuclear family of man and woman. Divorce, unmarried mothers and LGBT marriage all contribute to that demise.
            Nothing will stop procreation to be sure, but co-operation between men and women will suffer and I could imagine a future society where ‘man’ becomes a hideous monster where he lacks any balance due to seeing no need to have understanding with woman and just seeing them as instruments in continuing the species.

            I think man is ignorant and arrogant to think he can affect and control climate but I do believe we are very much in control of our own social demise.

          • Rodger T

            Of course BJ society/civilisations rise and fall that is the nature of humanity.
            I would suggest there are far bigger threats to our way of life other than the ability of two persons who love each other to get married.
            So how do you propose to eradicate divorce and the scourge of unmarried mothers?

          • Gayguy

            Proof.

          • unsol

            Tut tut Roger, fancy introducing logic & reason – you know only nonsense is able to be comprehended on here when this topic comes up!

          • Rodger T

            Its a hard road ,as you well know unsol, to be the voice of reason with so much paucity (of said reason) about , LoL.

          • unsol

            Paucity – damn it, forgot to use my word of the week. Must remember this week!!!!

            And tehe – good work for fighting the good fight today…..is that the most you have stuck around trying to spin your head on a pin?! :p

          • Star, legislation doesn’t just make the homos appear. They’ve been part of our lives for as long as we have been alive. And instead of living in fear and with shame and feeling less than free to be themselves, we’re now giving them more of a chance to feel like a fully accepted human being.

            Well, obviously not by you, but then they’re used to that as well :)

            The point is that their influence on your life doesn’t just start this week. It has been there all along. And somehow you, I and “society” are doing just fine.

          • starboard

            Why cant they just stick with a civil union then…why do they have to hijack marriage? A marriage is between a man and a woman not a couple of sodomists.

          • Gayguy

            Why can you not stick to living under your rock and leave decent people to live in the real world.

          • Gayguy

            How? Please provide genuine valid proof that NZ will end on Wednesday.

          • I don’t know any gay people who would even dream of ripping fabric

          • unsol

            That is awesome – must pass that on!!!

          • cows4me

            Gees I hope so, why should old billy have all the fun.

          • Rodger T

            BEHOLD,the *gasp* Porca

        • Gayguy

          Sigh, it is people like you who are sickening. You need serious medical help to cure you of your mental illness.

          • BJ

            If it was really OK for humans to get sexually intertwined with our same gender I think we would have been born hermaphrodites. Well despite the whole point of marriage being taken down by a selfish few – you are not OK.

          • Gayguy

            Given variety in sexuality has existed since the dawn of humans, I think the better question would be why are so many still so afraid and poorly educated on the subject.

          • BJ

            And what contribution to society are you ever going to be making when you engage in your sexual activity

          • Gayguy

            I will a less frustrated person and thus more able to deal with idiots.

            And given that sex is not all about making babies, and the fact you just spat in the face of infertile heterosexuals I reject your outdated poorly informed thoughts.

          • BJ

            Infertile heterosexuals have a commitment and sense of purpose but it isn’t within their control – that is a taken

          • Gayguy

            And heterosexuals who never have kids, but can, but chose not to……

            Also, are you claiming that homosexuals have no sense of commitment and purpose when it comes to relationships and having a family?

          • BJ

            At least they are working on the cooperation between the two genders while you take having a male bonding a step further because you can’t fail – so its a cop-out – no work done – nothing contributed to the order of society

          • Gayguy

            Oh good lord. The level of out dated, backwards disproved thinking that is occurring in your head is stunning.

            So in your opinion no homosexual could ever contribute to society, despite millions doing so across all of human history. Wow, you really are a shocker.

          • BJ

            I’m not talking about the individual – I’m referring to your union – when you’re not standing on your own – when you feel vulnerable – two of the same adds nothing to human understanding. Across cultures and language the divide is narrowed by the universal understanding that the one true difference is between the genders which by their cooperation ensures peace and order – while none of this ‘work’ has to be done in a one gender household, no understanding the other gender takes place – at this basic level.

          • Gayguy

            Oh good lord if you could only hear yourself. Everything you spout has been disproved over the last decade or so. You are stuck in a past that has been shown to be wrong.

          • starboard

            “I will a less frustrated person and thus more able to deal with idiots.”

            lol..and you have the cheek to label me poorly educated?! Pot..kettle..I cant believe you’re a school teacher…

          • BJ

            Why don’t you just wank yourself out of your frustration, learn to get on with life alone before you find another dysfunctional man to be your crutch to help you get through life

          • starboard

            lol…I take it that was aimed at the fairy..

          • BJ

            Oohhh! How do I ‘rectify’ that? Sorry

          • BJ

            When the human consciousness makes a decision to not put in the required work on themselves to ‘work’ with their opposite – it is a cop- out and it is you that are afraid – afraid of failure

          • Gayguy

            Let me guess, you are one of the “its a choice” squad”.

            Oh dear.

          • BJ

            Whether it was at the time of conception, during birth or up until about the age of two when babies become aware of others and who they relate to as being the same gender – yes your conscience made a choice – its certainly no-one else’s fault but your own. And when we make choices it is a being of integrity that doesn’t expect everything else to change to accommodate their choices. Your conscious being fears the intimacy of the opposite sex and failure – but how can you possible disappoint your same

          • Gayguy

            So when did you decide you where not going to be gay, and went with heterosexuality How did you make that choice?

            You are spouting disproved nonsense.

          • BJ

            We all opt out of things consciously to varying degrees all our lives – lots of decisions we make were made before we were old enough to realise we made a particular decision – but that choice you did make.

          • unsol

            Yet like most species SSA has been around since the beginning of time.

            “marriage being taken down by a selfish few”?

            I’m really disappointed BJ, I thought you were smarter than this yet here you are wailing & handwringing like the rest of them.

            Question is, does this mean your 24 year marriage will be ‘gone by lunchtime’ on Wednesday?

          • BJ

            No my marriage is not at risk – but it doesn’t mean I don’t have concern for society in the future.

            My husband said an interesting thing tonight – he told our youngest we should all just live to about 50 yrs of age – that way we’re not a financial drain on society by living too long and new ideas about society aren’t held back by old ideas. If you were 15 yrs older right now you may well have taken a different view on this yourself. I have actually got more tolerant, accepting and forgiving of people as I have got older but this change is not palatable to me.

          • Gayguy

            Your only concern is keeping your boot on the neck of the few to protect yourself and deny rights to others.

          • starboard

            I have a mental illness?? You’re the one who has sex with other males..wallows in sewage…youre filth.

          • Gayguy

            And what of heterosexuals who enjoy a bit of butt sex hmmmm.

            And yes you have a mental illness.

          • starboard

            you’ll pay the price fagguy.. you’ll see..your arse is going to fall out..revolting sub human filth

          • Gayguy

            Goodness is it??? Given that I do not engage in anal my arse is going to fall out???? Gasp!

            Oh and you still have a mental illness.

          • starboard

            heh..pot kettle..good bye poof.

      • Stuarts.burgers

        Wot you not taking the kids to Black Sabbath

        • That poor Ozzy is well past his prime. I truly fear that those that will go will get to see only a caricature of the Legend. I think Travis is set to go – we should ask him when he gets back from trying to bag some venison this weekend.

      • BJ

        You’re right of course – those that aren’t observant people will miss the subtleties as society slides – because unobservant people more often than not would never look at the bigger picture outside their own immediate lives.

        The fact we have a LGBT community is not a problem – what is a problem for the future of society is when we allow ourselves as a society to let go of what we should preserve for future generations – that, that binds us together and should be agreed on to conserve – and instead let indifference or complacency allow change for changes sake.

        Society should say no – we re not going to buy into the argument it is a progression of civilisation – and boldly hold onto the grass roots of what holds it all together for the future of a civilized human race.

    • Rodger T

      Usually you are whinging and bleating about Whale posting SSM threads ,but here you are starting one yourself.
      Maybe you should be honest with yourself and your own sexuality and why you are obsessed with other peoples sexuality,for a change.

      • starboard

        reap what we sow…remember that..

        • Rodger T

          OOOhhhh, yes indeed the empty threat ,has me quite literally quaking in me boots.

          New evidence has it that hell is cooler than your heaven and has better company,

          And with all the scientists in hell,it probably has a very effective air-conditioning system by now.

          • Gayguy

            And given the way SB pushes hate, he has more to worry about in regards to hell than the gay community.

        • Gayguy

          Yep. NZ will be a much better place. That is what we will sow.

      • Hazards001

        “Maybe you should be honest with yourself and your own sexuality and why
        you are obsessed with other peoples sexuality,for a change.”

        The poofs ultimate weapon! Accuse straight guy’s of being what they can’t be themselves.
        Most straight guys as a rule don’t feel the need to be “in touch” with our sexuality…we don’t wear it on our sleeves and we don’t sit in the pub or at the smoko table talking about it.

        That’s the provence of women and fags.

    • How can you take a giant step backwards if you are engaging in sodomy? surely you would be lying down? (you know more about sodomy than most so please explain)

      • BJ

        Its comments like that with illustrates your obvious obsession with such an unnatural act that could never be taken seriously as exhibiting ‘love’ for another human being. Thats all it is – a self gratifying act that one gets to alternate between controller and subservient martyr – each to their own self abuse – but don’t kid yourself that enshrining it with the word marriage will make the devious act any more palatable – there’s no love involved in degrading act no matter how you present it

        • starboard has made a dozen posts here on the same theme – it is not I who is ‘obviously obsessed’ with sodomy.

        • Gayguy

          You hate filled bigot. What gives you the right to decide what love is and is not?

    • Gayguy

      You are a poorly educated fear mongering little hater.

      On Wednesday NZ will take a massive leap forward in being a more evolved and equal country. And we will all be better for it. And people like SB can pack up and leave for countries where gays are illegal, like Iran, and thus improve the intelligence of NZ.

      • starboard

        You would think that way…you are a lefty labour supporting union loving homosexual school teacher who lives a debauched unnatural lifestyle. If anyone disagrees with your warped view they are immediately labelled homophobes, haters , uneducated, blah blah…you make me puke.

        • Gayguy

          No not everyone. You for sure. You are a hate filled poorly educated homophobic hater.

          But then you have people like Chester Burrows who can state their opposition, slam people like you, and not be haters. You could learn from him.

      • BJ

        Look in the mirror Mr rich, good looking and successful – right into your eyes – and ask yourself, ‘is it really ok to do what I do to another human being – and do I really feel justified in screwing up something for normal human beings just so I get to force everyone to say I’m ok when I know I never ever will be?’

        • Gayguy

          Awwwwwww thank you. Yes I am all those things, but it is always nice to have others tell you how good you are.

          Oh and given that nothing is being screwed up, and it is just the hysteria and lies of haters that are being dismissed, I am feeling just fine.

          • BJ

            Seriously, look in the mirror real soon and if you can honestly say you are OK then I won’t expect you to be calling others haters ever again because while you continue to, I’m afraid you are definitely not OK

          • Gayguy

            I am seriously saying I am 100% ok and I am also seriously saying that if you spout lies, mistruths, disproved nonsense etc…, hate then I am going to call you what you are. Either poorly educated, an idiot a hater, or all 3.

            And I will not lose one lick of sleep over the fact people like you do not like it.

          • BJ

            Ouch!

    • unsol

      Geez how is basic fact not resonating – LGBT can already adopt just not as a couple so one becomes the adoptive parent & the other a permanent guardian,

      First rule of war – establish what you are fighting.

      Your statement is nonsense – those laws were reformed 20 years ago.

      Our adoption laws do not discriminate based on sexual orientation – that horse bolted a long time ago. There is no fight on this.

      It’s just tough bikkies you don’t like it.

  • Phar Lap

    Been reading a few lies written by a cub reporter named Vance Andrea regarding the GCBS/SIS. Appears she dosn’t know clay from shit.The whole story is a mishmash of the typical writings of a newspaper in its death throes,by soon to be unemployed staff.Vance Andre the confused cub reporter is blaming all the short comings on John Key and the Nats.Not a word about the gang of three from the Lie-bour Party,who were the architects of the legislation.Known as H1 Helen Clark, H2 Heather Simpson,H3 Grant “chucklehead” Robertson,Lie bours bully boy and shin kicker, they did the damage.she mentions credibility,with the Nats.Not a word about” Shonky” Shearer and his secret overseas slush funds,and the new defacto Lie-bour Leader the bully boy shin kicker “Chucklehead” Robertsons,massive input to the flawed legislation.completely enacted by the gang of THREE.

    • I think you mean Andrea Vance

      • Phar Lap

        Agree,Was just showing how much she got the story back to front.Deliberately used her name that way,to show,she was back to front ,her name included.

        • Well, that went WOOSH until you explained it to me :)

          • Phar Lap

            Hahahahahah!

        • Gazzaw

          Back to front PL? I thought that we were trying not to talk about SSM.

          • Phar Lap

            Teeheeeheehee!

      • Steve (North Shore)

        Clay from shit gave it away as well

  • obviously

    The great observation of the current day…. While the masses are consumed by the technology, the governance are running a muck

  • Pete George

    People have been asking whether the Psychoactive Substances Bill might lead to re-addressing how we deal with cannabis and other drugs already covered by existing laws.

    Peter Dunne says maybe, but does “not think there is any prospect either under this government, or in the foreseeable future”. And not without overcoming bigger issues.

    “There is, for example, no way under the regime in the bill that a
    substance like cannabis, let alone harder drugs, would ever meet the
    “low risk” test and thus be allowed on the market.”

    Psychoactive Substances Bill and cannabis

    • Gazzaw

      Totally agree. As a society we can’t even control alcohol so why legalise or even decriminalise dope (any more than it has been already). As for harder drugs the penalties should be increased right up to hanging for major supply offences.

  • What is your favourite Tom Cruise movie? mine is The Firm. I enjoy the parts of the movie where Tom Cruise and Gene Hackman are in the Cayman Islands – looks a great place to have a holiday.

  • Grae O’Sullivan

    The natives have been getting uppity over at the Daily Blog. There is a whole post dedicated to the evil Whaleoil. Apparently Mr Slater also fakes the blog stats as well as making up stories. You are so very naughty for doing that Whaleoil.

    • TDB has come out of the gate with an impressive result for the first month. Of course, with 30 bloggers on board, and Martyn paid to be a full time blogger (oh we can only dream), and with the support of The Standard, and essentially taking other existing blog audiences across, you would expect them to bring some sort of audience with them. And they did!

      It has been a good start, and I for one will be interested to see if they can grow their audience to rival ours over time. They have had a dream start, but now the hard work begins: the slow grind from month to month to see if your audience share is larger than the month before. Trust me, I live this every day, and it isn’t easy.

      I believe that we should have a healthy spectrum of views and ideas across the blogs, and TDB provides a platform to an audience that wouldn’t feel at home on this blog for example.

      We do need to be careful not to go to other blogs and take what their commenters say as representative of the blog itself. Whaleoil has many commenters that make some outrageous assertions, and just because they were stated in the comment section on this blog doesn’t mean that Whaleoil stands behind them.

      As such, one TDB commenter that thinks the Whaleoil stats are cooked doesn’t really warrant any sort of a response.

      Oh, and welcome to commenting at Whaleoil. Hope you stick around. Every eyeball counts ;)

      • Mr_V4

        I supposed the Martyn the bearded leftist had to get paid to be a full time blogger, because he sure isn’t selling real estate.

  • Serves them right for betraying their own country by moving abroad ..http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/8542785/Homeless-Kiwis-live-under-a-Sydney-bridge

    • starboard

      Maybe they were just trying to get ahead? Have you thought of that ?

      • Everyone thinks the grass is greener – they should have looked for work in NZ on dairy farms or forestry – helped out their own country rather than heading to one of the most expensive cities in the world in Aussie.

        • starboard

          maybe the $13 per hour doing the above just doesn’t cut it anymore. Aussie pays well..in my profession I can get 30 per cent more per hour there, than here..and dont start the ” cost of living” argument…many parts of aus are cheaper to live in than NZ.

          • (The cost of living would depend what you spend your money on) – but what I was going to say is I am an exporter and we make 25% extra by selling into NSW and Victoria than setting up shop there.

          • yeah thats all very well and good but those under the bridge should be out there looking for that 30% extra. It really is a dog eat dog place over there and apparently its only getting harder. If you go to australia you need to throw yourself into it, do your homework, become australian and most importantly have a back up plan. sitting around under a bridge might be an accepted form of work in the north island but in sydney you wont get a second glance.

          • Hazards001

            The biggest problem with Australia is it’s Geographical Positioning…it’s above sea level!

    • i went to aussie. till i had a conversation with a Vietnamese man. he came up to me and asked “are you a number one kiwi or a number two kiwi?”. “number one kiwi of course” i replied. “no no no no” he said..” you are number TWO kiwi. If you were number ONE kiwi you would be living in new zealand”. Conversly i asked him if he was a number one or number two Vietnamese .. he answered me with “no. i am number ONE australian”

      i decided right then and there that i was a kiwi and new zealand was where i was going to be and damned if i was going to be australian or have australian kids.

  • PlanetOrphan

    Y’know, WhaleOil has got to be the site I’ve ever seen for “No Images” viewing.
    Bloody Well Done M8!

  • johnbronkhorst

    “A Northland iwi says it’ll never allow mining in the region, nor for exploration to continue.”
    Any one else see this on Yahooxtra?
    Just have the one question.
    Where do they think, the jobs they say they want, are going to come from?

    • AnonWgtn

      Winz of course !

    • Gazzaw

      Growing dack and going to the ATM to collect the benefit is a fulltime job John. A great family cottage industry that’s handed from generation to generation.

      • BJ

        Highly skilled and sort after intellectual property

    • BJ

      Why do you think they really object to mining? Because they get to be right and to justify the continual harping on about their people being the underdogs and its not their fault they are on welfare.

    • LabTested

      I did a trip around the East Cape a few weeks back. Seriously undeveloped part of NZ. Lots of home made signs. No Mining. No Deep Sea Drilling. They just forgot to add – No Jobs. No Economy

      • Gazzaw

        ……..No Ambition, No Drive.

  • johnbronkhorst

    On Yahooxtra today

    “Associate Social Development Minister Chester Borrows says that as at March 31, 525 people have had their benefits cancelled because they were earning above the income threshold and failed to disclose their full circumstances.

    The ministry is in the process of contacting a further 3000 people who are apparently working and earning above the threshold for welfare support.”
    About bloody time!!!
    Just some numbers.
    525 people getting approx. $200 per week is a saving of nearly $5.5 million per year.

    • BJ

      Next they can deal to those that make a very nice living via Trademe while collecting a benefit. Some nice not so little tax-free transactions of buying then selling – if they’re so good at it – time to cut them loose.

      • unsol

        Totally agree, especially give much of what these ‘entrepreneurs’ sell are stolen goods – either donations left for the sallies (tracked one of these types down myself & he got for done for theft & fraud as received money but didn’t send item) or shoplifting…..brand new things sitting around for ages that apparently & mysteriously lost their tags. Or perhaps still have them
        on along with security things.

        People should be asking why is this person selling so many brand new bras in different cup sizes his ‘wife’ supposedly no longer wants or how did they come to own so many old vacuum cleaners etc.

        Problem of course is that requires customers to think about the morality of their so-called bargain! Which ain’t going to happen as for most people it is all about themselves & what they stand to gain!!!

        • Hazards001

          Ummmm..about those vacuum cleaners…got a link? hehehehe

          • unsol

            Tehe….nope, he was the guy that I tracked down! We left a whole heap of stuff outside the sallies one weekend, knowing they would be around soon to check (so as to stop people stealing stuff). This little shit beat them to it. I only found out because we accidentally donated something we still needed. So next day when I rang Sallies they said it must have been stolen. As a few things were quite unique I checked TM & sure enough…found some of them! So I looked through his listings (lots of brand new bras in different cup sizes & old vacuum cleaners) & then saw he had recently sold a car. Could see a landmark in one of the photos so worked out where it was in our area & then worked out his address….too easy. Took info to the police along with his name on the TM profile & sure enough he was known. He was a rapist & known to be violent so good thing I didn’t see him when I went back to retrieve the thing we still needed. I felt quite proud of myself for my super sleuthing though! It happened after the 3 strikes thing too so I think he got a good sentence. Sad thing turns out he had children…as they do. Hate to think where they will end up with a poor excuse for a father like that.

          • Hazards001

            I have more than a passing acquaintance with these type of scumbags. (No I’m not one and No you don’t want my life story..as I’ve said before) Trust me the kids probably better off with the shitbag out of the way for a while and good work doing the right thing too…WTG putting in the effort to get back what is yours.

          • unsol

            Thanks Hazard :-) I did it to give it back to the Sallies as hated someone stealing something they turn into so much good (even though I despise their particular brand of church their voluntary work is amazing). They only got some things but were thrilled to have someone fighting on their behalf as it happens to them far too often (often via the donations boxes actually inside their shop).

  • johnbronkhorst

    The Green Party has launched a campaign in favour of an Auckland central city rail link, while acknowledging they have been pushing for the project for many years.

    The campaign asks the government to fund at least 60 per cent of the $2.4 billion proposed rail link.

    Greens co-leader Russel Norman told TVNZ’s Q+A programme on Sunday that this was cheaper than funding some proposed roads of national significance.

    The City Rail Link is a 3.5 kilometre double-track underground rail tunnel beneath the city centre from Britomart station to the western line near Eden Terrace, with three underground stations and a new inner west interchange.
    From Yahoo xtra
    Cost: $686million PER Km. I think dear old rissole newman, needs to review the cost of roads, if he thinks this is cheap.

    • johnbronkhorst

      eg Transmission Gully cost $1.06billion some opponents say it could cost $3 billion. Since it is 26Km long. Cost per Km….$40million to (if you believe the greens) $115.4million. So at worst a FIFTH of the cost of Auckland’s rail and I would bet it carries 3 times the traffic!!!

  • jedmo

    Very tiresome having to endure Jane Kelsey’s leftist, patronising “I know whats really going on due to my superior understanding”, contribution on Q&A this morning. Great to see Fran O’Sullivan trouncing her, and being very dismissive of her. John Key did well, as usual, in the Corrin Dann interview

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