Toby Manhire on Colin Craig

The old adage that any publicity is good publicity might not actually be true. Toby Manhire writes:

“Colin Craig” is New Zealand’s answer to Ali G. “Colin Craig” is a fictional character, a circus clown, a satirical device. When you think about it, it’s as unmistakable as the sparkle in his eye. Would a real person say “at the end of the day” at the start of every second sentence?

The penny dropped this week when “Colin Craig” went one step too far, the cheeky monkey, issuing a legal threat via what appeared to be a reputable legal firm demanding that a little-known but obviously satirical website, The Civilian, retract an obviously satirical remark attributed to him.

See http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/chapman-tripp-legal-notice-23-april-2013/

An aspiring MP screaming defamation over an innocuous bit of obvious satire? I don’t think so. A millionaire demanding a $500 contribution to legal costs from a 21-year-old just out of university? Inconceivable.

The political stupidity of Colin Craig is astonishing.

If “Colin Craig” were real, would he be so lacking in wit, confidence and courage as to issue stiff ultimatums to a tiny website run by a pipsqueak in his pyjamas, while letting stand for all time homoerotic imaginings – all “powerful thighs” and “firm buttocks” – attributed to him in a “secret diary” published by newspapers across the country? I don’t think so.

And even if “Colin” did get puffed up like a peacock, sensible lawyers would gently talk him out of it. Wouldn’t they?

There’s more evidence that this man of many first names is a giant tease. The thundering legal letter observes that the article in question – headlined “Maurice Williamson looking pretty stupid after floods” – includes words that their client “never made”. It splutters: “It is a fiction created by you to make him look ridiculous”.

Snort! The letter continues: “The statement cannot be dismissed as satire in the circumstances, particularly when it is published alongside quotes from Maurice Williamson which we understand may largely be accurate.”

Wonderful! As any half-awake intern could have told them, the quotes from Williamson are invented, too. As is the one attributed to John Key, calling Williamson “a big idiot”.

In case that weren’t enough, the lawyer’s letter goes on to refer to “words which were not said by Mr Crag”. As if a legal firm with such a proud history and so many bright minds would misspell its own client’s name. Are they all in on this delicious charade? Bravo.

Heh, the man of many first names.

Who, then, is pulling the strings and our legs? Is “Colin Cra(i)g” conjured up by the same genius behind the long-running cabaret act John “Cabbage Boat” Banks? Is he a guerrilla-marketing stunt by enfant terrible Ben Uffindel – a kind of Pantomime Trojan Horse to attract attention to his fledgling comedy website?

Is he an automaton, controlled by Steven Joyce, deployed to distract attention from this week’s bewildering Albanian-Stalinist-North-Korean-Polish shipyard metaphor incontinence?

Is he a Weta Workshop side project? Has he been 3D-printed by Maurice Williamson?

Disrobe, “Colin Craig”, we cry. Let us stand in ovation before this comedy masterwork, this colossus of ridiculous fiction. I suggest a special gong at the next Chapman Tripp Theatre Awards. Remove the latex mask, “Colin”. Enter our warm embrace

For you must be a character, a chimera, an invention. Mustn’t you? The alternative is too bizarre to contemplate.

Colin Craig is certainly way too bizarre to be trusted in parlimanet, but then again the voters are seeing that….he has spent the thick end of $3 million coming third.

 


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  • Colin Cloudesley

    He is pissed off that he never got asked to go on the TV with Ellen and Maurice did.

  • spollyike

    Toby Manhire, another decent person trained and skilled. W.O. your hypocrisy astounds me! One day you slag the Herald, yet the next when they put out some drivel that suits your inexplicably personal agenda to destroy Colin Craig (probably National’s next coalition partner) you use their material as if they really were decent people trained and skilled!! Well what are they Whale? Trained and skilled or not? Or are they only trained and skilled when you say so, and not trained and skilled when you tell us they’re not? Your hypocrisy over the Herald (who you rely on for most of your material) is as bad as Labour’s hypocrisy over electricity prices – one year they want high pricing through ETS, the next year they want low pricing. Whale and Labour, two peas in a pod, both hypocrites apparently.

    • Isn’t Manhire a freelance, jobbing columnist? unless I am very much mistaken he doesn’t actually work for the NZ Herald (any more than Sir Robert Jones does)

    • Changeiscoming

      Very nice post! In fact post of the day.

      • Ronnie Chow

        Post Of The Day , halfway through it ? I gather you are a Crag supporter , then .

        • spollyike

          Is “Craig Supporter” the looney progressives new version of “Homophobe” or “Racist” is it?

          • Ronnie Chow

            No , TWIT will do .

    • Ronnie Chow

      What s silly man you are . Good writing appears in the Herald , as does a lot of crap . Sometimes by the same writer .
      You have written that the Whaleoil Blog relies on the Herald for most it’s material . Silly man , that’s a straight out lie . What a silly man you are . Must be a Crag supporter ., then .

      • spollyike

        So you still either A: subcribe to the Horrid (cough…loser), or B: work for them (cough, cough…bigger PC looney left loser). Which is it?

        • Ronnie Chow

          I’ve just got a very good shit filter , pal , and I can spot it a mile away . So , do you stand by your comment that Whaleoil blog sources most of it’s material from the NZ Herald .
          A simple yes or no will do .

          • spollyike

            Well out of the last 5 posts, 4 are from the herald and one is photo of the day….

          • Ronnie Chow

            You wrote “the Herald (who you rely on for most of your material) ”

            True or False?

          • Ronnie – honesty is not a known quality with these sorts of folk; better to scream hysterically about imaginary villains then engage in honest, rational conversations.

          • spollyike

            MC you mean the same way you just screamed hysterically that any pro-conservative posters on here must be part of some conspiracy to infiltrate WO with fake profiles and spread conservative propaganda! Quick look under your bed, i bet there’s commies hiding under there too LOL! What a JOKE!

          • Colin Craig has a history of dodgy push polling http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/09/colin-craig-and-his-dodgy-polling/
            Nothing hysterical about reminding folk of Mr Craigs long history of lies and deceit.
            Do not forget the last religious conservative in NZ politics also had a long history of lies and deceit – Graham Capill

          • spollyike

            I would never vote for Conservative based on the religion of their leader or candidates. I would vote as i do for any political party – on their policies. I think we on the right should put religion aside and look at policy ideas that tend to at least in concept line up with that of National, to the extent that Conservative would by quite a good tame coalition partner, unlike the Maori party for example.

          • justin

            It is a no brainer on coalition partnership here. There is no Act (which has no credibility), Maori and NZF will have a left-right tug of war for any given project and Dunne has had his day.
            The Conservatives are clearly the only option NZ has of not having a Green/Labour monster.

          • rockape

            There is no ACT because its leader has no credibility. Get rid of Banks and ACT will be back in business.

          • justin

            long bow to draw. Act didn’t even register in the last poll, but Conservatives sitting on 2%.
            Banks must have Epsom and that is an extremely long bow to draw (would JK be keen on another cup of tea – that cock up meant that Winnie cleared the threshold).

          • justin

            This is a desparate smear M-kiwi. Your anti conservative campaign (lead by WO and Kiwiblog) really highlights the worry the Nats have here. But too me it’s just silly – the Conservatives are the natural/sensible coalition partner for the Nats.

          • Ronnie Chow

            So go post on your own blog . Don’t try to change our minds . We’re honest with ourselves .

          • justin

            This response is the key problem for the right. I’m a natural Nat, I strongly consider WO to be my ‘own’ blog!!
            The right needs to have a viable coalition option – but Ronnie you don’t seem to realise that if the Conservatives don’t get over 4% (it will 4% of right wing votes gone). This will put NZF into a super strong ‘kingmaker’ role.

          • Ronnie Chow

            I get it alright . But unless Craig ratchets back the bigotry , he’s toast . And so , probably is Key along with him .
            There are just too many Kiwis that want to dwell in hippie heaven .

          • If you were really a National supporter you would realise how illogical what you are saying actually is; the difference between National governing alone in 2011 and being 2 seats short – was the people who voted Conservative.

            Instead of “one more heave” to get over 5% and being a coalition partner (ie National drops 2% to 46% Conservatives rise to over 5%) – it makes more sense for Conservatives 0% and National 50%.

            Either basic arithmatic is beyond you …or this is another of Colin’s push polls. I know what I think it is.

          • justin

            So your hard out attacking conservative right wing voters like me because you’re hoping National to gain over 50% of seats in house from the 2014 general election?
            I on the otherhand can see the writing on the wall re ACT and United and don’t trust NZF.
            Basic arithmetic or rational approach to very serious electoral realities?

          • The same sort of illogical nonsense occured in 1996.

            Leading up to that election National was polling around 40% and ACT on 1%. Then Prebble starts his “National needs a coalition partner” routine and the result? National 34% and ACT 6%

            Ok let me explain it to you – National 48% and Conservatives 2% = 50%; National 45% Conservatives 5% = 50%; National 50% Conservatives 0% = 50%.

            It is exactly the same as the illogical rubbish vis-avis ACT in 1996.
            If you don’t want a Labour govt you should vote National – has been that way since 1936.

          • justin

            But back in the real world you have to conceed that there will not be over 50% seats for national.
            Nats 40% plus Act 1% = 40% still not enough for government without Winnie kingmaker antics.
            There will be lots of left conservatives that are looking for a home for their vote too after the gay marriage.

          • rockape

            There may well be if Craig gets caught in the public toilet with a toy boy. Do you think he will sue me for that! I suspect unless the conservative come up with some policies they will be a one election Non wonder.

          • justin

            Strawman argument! Of course I’d conceed that toilet scandal would kill off the Conservatives – but Colin Craig is a legitmate stand up guy. I’ve met him and found him to be highly rational, quick of mind and grounded in the issues of being a kiwi businessman/dad/husband. The scare mongering that he has been subjected to has been totally off base.

          • Apolonia

            Disagree MK

            The Conservatives are drawing support from National, NZ First and socially conservative Labour voters.

            That is something Act never did.

          • spollyike

            RC you’re all puffed up like a peacock!!
            Are you Colin Craig??
            Are you going to scream defamation over another innocuous bit of obvious satire??
            Of course i haven’t counted all the posts and their sources, have you? However a large number of posts used here are linked to articles in the Horrid and i was therefore justifiably questioning the credibility of a source that WO himself has discredited numerous numerous times on this blog on essentially a daily basis. Possibly if you looked at all his sources and tallied the posts from each source the Herald would have the most posts attributed to it but i for one can’t be fucked counting.

          • Ronnie Chow

            False then .

          • spollyike

            Fair enough, as i can’t prove it i have edited to this: “who you rely on for a very large portion of your material”.

            Is that OK Miss?

          • Ronnie Chow

            Just keep rolling , the snowball’s getting bigger .

          • spollyike

            Well using the WO search function for Herald gives me 24,000 hits. Using the same search function for Stuff gives 13,000, Scoop gives 1,100, Dominion Post 966 hits. I know there are other sources but i can’t think of any that could be more than the 24,900 hits for the Herald. Does that meet your definition of true RC?

          • Ronnie Chow

            We are referring to your claim that this blog “sources most of it’s material” from The Herald . It’s simply bullshit . Not satire . Bullshit .
            The above named search function simply finds the word Herald , and is in no way an indicator Whaleoil Blog SOURCES MOST OF IT’S MATERIAL from the Herald .

            And that’s because it doesn’t . Give up , man .

  • justin

    Voted National all my life, but really conscious that there is no difference between the Nats and Labour.
    Sick of seeing zero ‘big left’ spend up undone. Sick of social engineering and the ‘better than the voter’ mentality.
    I look about and you got NZF, but Winnie’s likely to go with the left, so The Conservatives have my vote.

    • I see the Colin Craig push polling machine is hard at work; go on whaleoil, fake profile, claim lifelong support of National, now switching to Conservative; hope lots of Nats read that and decide to follow.

      Gee – I wonder who that was supposed to fool?

      • justin

        Call it as you will, but I think that there are lots of unhappy people like me (employed, family law abiders) who were very glad to see the back of Helen, who had great hopes for John Key – but just really let down by these first two terms.
        I see the Conservatives as being needed to keep national on track.

        • Ronnie Chow

          Key moves in , almost all the permanent staffers across all departments are Labour supporters , and he slowly but surely gets things done despite all the landmines .
          One more term for National is required to mop up the remaining Helun appointees and subjugate the bureaucratic resistance .
          If , and it’s a big if , Craig wins his electorate , he will have to pull his head in sharply , leaving you guys high and dry .

          • justin

            So your saying that the last four’ish years of labour ideas (WWF, interest free loans, massive borrowing, social engineering) are because of a few Wellington lefty staffers.
            Ronnie, it just doesn’t cut it, JK is a true lefty or doesn’t have the nuts required to do what it takes.
            Too big an ask to say “don’t vote conservatives, give your vote back to national we only need 6 to 9 years to get rid of a few bureaucrats”.

          • Ronnie Chow

            Key has to turn an Oil Tanker with a 15hp Yamaha outboard .

            Obama with 8 years is up against a brick wall .

            Vested interests are VERY hard to dislodge .

          • justin

            With the passing of Maggie Thatcher – the world got a look at a fearless politician who recognised the need for change.
            I dont think I’m alone in wanting this change.
            A 15hp yamaha outboard, gee you’re rewriting history… JK didn’t need the maori party to govern it was one of the biggest electoral wins in history.
            Obama never won the congress so has been denied much of his agenda (thank goodness). John Key could have made the decisions that would have benefitted NZ for generations. He just has failed in this.

          • Gayguy

            Maggie was a god awful PM and did terrible things to her people.

          • justin

            What if, oh god, what if 2014 the left come back into power. Then this National government would have spent six years of twiddling there fingers giving up a massive opportunity.
            Oh god if the Conservatives don’t make it – this will be a reality.

          • Ronnie Chow

            If you have ever had the fortitude to watch a night of our Politicians , wasting time on trivial points scoring , general bleating and pretending to know what’s best , you would probably concur with me that it is the nature of our Parliamentary System that makes any change a long , drawn out affair , for every piece of Legislation .
            Are you saying that Key can speed this process up ? How ?

          • justin

            Come on Ronnie your joking right?

            Seemed like we had no mention of gay marriage, prior to the last election, and this got through like lightning – I think JK endorsed this early when Wall’s private members bill came out.

          • unsol

            Most families in NZ received WFF. How many of them are likely to be happy with this being culled cold turkey? Tinkering is the only option with reforming such policies. It will take many many years to undo the decades of entitlement 90% of New Zealanders have grown to love, expect & often demand.

            Politics has no room for idealism. To vote on such a basis is to demonstrate a mind that is devoid of rationale & strategy.

            6 years cannot undo things that have been in play since the times of Savage. You are living in fairy land if you think otherwise.

          • justin

            unsol,
            I’m right wing – WWF is a market manipulation by government. It really is just a subsidy for employers here in NZ. It keeps people as beneficiaries. WWF has fuelled additional housing bubble (which has a generational effect on the economy).
            Plus we are actually going broke. You can only look at the deficits, borrowing and balance of payments to know that we are borrowing and hoping like mad.
            6 years to undo WWF, get real it was introduced the year before the election.

          • unsol

            Justin you are preaching to the converted, but you are completely wrong when it comes to attributing the blame for why we still have it on the current govt.

            Working for families – WFF (it is not WWF – world wrestling federation!) & welfare has been around for decades.

            For example. In 1911 the widows pension was introduced, then a family allowance in1926….around the 1940s this was stop being means tested. This benefit was abolished by the former Nat govt in the 1990s & replaced by assistance that targeted low income families

            And this is without including Accommodation Supplement & the Childcare Subsidy.

            WFF introduced NO new benefits in 2004. It merely brought all assistance under one umbrella, raised the thresholds so the middle income to high income could become bludgers & increased the amount being paid quite substantially in the first year then smaller incremental increases from 2005 onwards.

            In one form or most NZers – remembering the bulk are middle income & have always qualified for the family benefit type payments, have been feeding off the taxpayer’s tit forever.

            And then there is of course there is the issue that most people in NZ barely pay enough taxes to cover their cost of being born in a public hospital, educated at public schools (including tertiary – we can thank the former Nat govt for introducing the student loan scheme btw), driving on public roads etc.

            The reality is 90% of NZers are in fact bludgers.

            So for anyone to assume that any government can change a culture of entitlement that has been enabled via poor fiscal policy, lack of foresight & plain common sense over many decades in just 6 years is dreaming.

            It will take years to teach NZers what it means to pay your own way.

          • Hazards001

            Bull. WFF should have been undone instantly. Failing that as the ramifications to the middle class bludgers on it would have been too harsh it should have been phased out. Along with Interest Free Student Loans and the Paid Parental Leave that should have its neck wound back in.
            Not that I’m a fan of continuing to pay for middle class benefits. Personally I believe the vote buying should have been dumped and JK has pissed away the opportunity to do it.
            2nd term was his chance.

          • unsol

            Can’t claim bull if you don’t have the facts. See above Hazard. You need to read up on your history re welfare in NZ. It has been around since Savage with WFF type assistance being introduced in the 1920s.

            And that is without taking into account most people failing to pay enough tax to cover the cost of their birth & that of their children in public hospitals, State education, NZ super etc etc,

            Bludging takes on many forms in this country.

            Welfare is but one part, but it is the part that most families – including middle to high income earners – in NZ rely on.

            It will take generations to get these people to give up their assistance; if you think a family on $70k p/a getting $10k for their 4 kids & loser cruiser is going to forego the swimming, ballet & chess lessons not to mention the overseas trips you are dreaming.

            These people don’t see themselves as bludgers. But I do.

          • Hazards001

            Me too

          • justin

            The music on the merry go round will stop playing. Middle class welfarism is never defendable. The simple reality is that we are going broke fast. Borrowing long term to pay for our immediate spending. Somethings going to give.
            But National had on a plate the logical reason to unwind this crazy scheme “Global Financial Crisis – sorry your on $70k no bonus $10k for you” – when you read this you can see just how batshit crazy WFF is.

        • Gayguy

          And I still make the call that Colin will not get in. He simply is too much of a fool.

          • NotForTurning

            Worse than Winston?
            Worse than Hone?
            Worse than Dunny?
            Worse than JT?
            Worse than Turia?
            Worse than Benson-Pope?
            Worse than Hellen?

            please. for fuck’s sake: please think.

            And then Electorate vote National, Party vote Conservative.

          • Gayguy

            On par with Hone.

            All the rest are far better.

          • justin

            Just trolling here GG?

          • Gayguy

            Not at all. I would put Colin on par with Hone. Both are worse than useless and are just pretending to be in the politics game and do no good for anyone beyond themselves.

          • justin

            Trolling. There’s actually good discussion on how we right wingers can avoid the left frankenstein coalition getting back into the executive. I know that Hone will be part of this left frankenstein so I understand you wanting to promote him as credible.

          • Gayguy

            Ummmm putting Colin and Hone on par with each other is NOT an attempt to make Hone credible. It is to show how worthless Colin is.

            And given there are currently 5 parties making up the Government, using the rather silly Frankenstein line is plain dumb.

          • justin

            I call BS on this. National can look to any of Dunne or Banks or Maori party to pass legislation – but they don’t need them all.
            The minor players are all in themselves overhang or single electorate pollies.
            Labour will be squeezed hugely by the watermelons, hone/minto/sykes, winnie and the maori party. An absolute frankenstein.
            I really have to ask – as a lefty you’re ‘happy’ with this senario? Really you’d want to jump in bed with these guys? Really?

          • Bunswalla

            Dunne’s a fucking wanker. Only this evening he was on the news, complaining that the filth pinged him for speeding on a “covert camera” for revenue purposes.

            FFS he even asked them for a map of where all the hidden cameras were!

            They predictably and sensibly told him to shove it, and now he’s bleating on the news about the one tax in this country that is completely avoidable.

          • justin

            Dunne is a wellington pollie – he’s very popular in Karori and will be a MP for as long as he wants. But for the rest of NZ his party has no credible chance of getting the % to have more than one MP.

          • Ronnie Chow

            Entitlement Syndrome on Pitcairn Supersized . Dunne is above the law , like so many others caught speeding .

            After Clamper Clout forced the Police to pay $150 , they now stand there and watch while people assault him , spitting , handbag attacks , verbal abuse , doing nothing.

            The cops are a law unto themselves , refusing to allow testimony from their own in any matter . Dotcom could have been arrested by 2 senior officers accompanied by a couple of uniforms . But they get so exited when they get a chance to run around with their weapons , after watching too many US cop shows .

            Kiwis hate being told what to do . So do Cops . So do alcoholics .

            I must say that , after reading the Forsyth Barr report on Electricity , I could not trust a word of it . How many other Hallwrights are working there ?

          • Gayguy

            I suggest you check which parties have Ministers in Government.

            Oh, all of Nationals support parties have Ministers. 5 parties make up the current government. You can call bullshit all you like, but the truth is the truth no matter how uncomfortable it makes you.

          • justin

            ignore the question GG – are you sure you want to have a government with… greenies + mofo party + winnie/prosser + labour???

          • Gayguy

            The next government will be 2 parties. Labour and the Greens.

            I would not be happy with Hone in the mix, but I know A LOT of National voters who are very pissed off with having John Banks in the mix at the moment.

            I do not see Winnie joining Labour next time round.

          • justin

            GG – you lot have a huge amount of campaigning to do to just need Labour and the Greens.
            What do you see as consessions Labour will have to give away?

          • Travis Poulson

            So anyway, about those 5 parties?

          • justin

            Not five only four. National + four ministers outside cabinet (Banks + Dunne + 2 from Maori party)
            Key point – nats didn’t need Maori to govern (some sort of olive leaf game plan).

          • Gayguy

            My bad, I miscounted. Still, hardly a one man band.

            And the Nats do need the Maori party. It is one of the few strategic long term ideas Key has had.

          • Travis Poulson

            5 Parties? obviously you’re lost in the wilderness of politics struggling to get the basics right. National, Act, United Future, Maori Party, aaaand who???

          • The Lemon Party.

          • Travis Poulson

            Ah great thanks, I’ll just check that ou…what the hell?

          • Quick!

            An emergency application of http://www.eyebleach.me/kittens/index.html is now needed.

        • Gayguy

          And I still make the call that Colin will not get in. He simply is too much of a fool.

        • NotForTurning

          Couldn’t have put it better myself.

          You turn if you want to!

      • spollyike

        You guys are as bad as Gayguy!
        As soon as we have a difference of opinion you call us haters claim some conspiracy! Sad really.

    • spollyike

      Hell yes! What choice do we have?

      • justin

        There really is no choice, nobody would ever think that National will govern alone (especially if John Key decides that enough is enough and wants to lifestyle in Hawaii).
        The Conservatives are an easy party for the everyday kiwi to understand and they have the funding needed. Threshold of 4% will bring in more votes (they got 3% in the last election and the 5% threshold would have held off some voters).

        • The Conservatives campaigned against partial asset sales.

        • LabTested

          ‘The Conservatives are an easy party for the everyday kiwi to understand’

          My perception of them (rightly or wrongly) is that they are a religious fringe party. I can not name one of their policies & therefore I can not understand them.

          I am open to listen, but they need to start explaining who they are if they want even a protest vote

          • justin

            Lab Tested – I’ll post below. But before I do I’d like to ask you to reflect on the fact that this stream of posting (and many many like this) are never about conservative policy – why is this??
            I think that reasonable kiwis will be open to the vast majority of the following policies. Pretty much the Conservatives are pitching sensible governance for the betterment of the people.

          • justin

            Some Conservative Policies…
            1. Binding referendum (letting the people govern themselves on the major issues).
            2. Scrap the ETS.
            3. Intro of community wage – letting employers and employees work out rates that work locally.
            4. Take on alcohol problems (raise the age, make drunk in public an offence, lower drink drive limit).
            5. Big programme of apprentiships for trades.
            6. Harsher penatlies for violence. Right to protect property.
            7. Against foreign ownership of key strategic nz assets.
            A good website with more details can be googled. But be assured they are a viable, well run, well led, well financed party (4th largest polling party in NZ). The threshold of 4% is the mark (lasttime they got 3.65%).

          • Gayguy

            Given the threshold is staying at 5%, 4% will see them kept out of Parl.

          • Gayguy

            Down voting me will not change the 5% threshold.

          • NotForTurning

            I can not name one of their policies

            Cops with Glocks.
            Castle Doctrine.
            Stand your Ground.
            Protestors & Strikers are Criminals.

    • unsol

      And you are OK that with a vote for Craig you still get a National government? What do you think it will achieve? What policies do you think he will bring to the table. Buy back SOEs (he isn’t a fan of the partial sales) using Kiwisaver (as Winnies has suggested), reverse ME?

      And pray tell, how have the Nats let you down? What specific policies? Do you think Craig – who has yet to announce any polices as is only focused on what gay men get up to in the privacy of their own home (interestingly doesn’t seem to care about gay women), will make a difference in these areas you feel let down by? If so how & on what basis – what has Craig offered?

      Only a fool would declare their allegiance to a one-trick pony that has offered NOTHING by way of the big issues this country faces.

      Conversely National, while not massive reforms, have made many changes that will have lasting positive impacts.

      Doing something is better than doing nothing. Craig has offered & is likely to achieve nothing.

      • NotForTurning

        And pray tell, how have the Nats let you down? What specific policies?

        Where the fuck to start? How about a top 10!

        1. student loans

        2. gst pushed up

        3. wff

        4. no cuts to dole

        5. no cuts to dpb

        6. no cuts to unions

        7. increase in the minimum wage (hell we still have a minimum wage)

        8. no cuts to bureaucracy

        9. whanau ora

        10. maori flags

        Hellen & Cullen cut more taxes and spent less cash on bailouts & buybacks than Key & English has done. Not to mention H&C’s approach to foreshore & seabed, maori flags: basically “fuck off”. Remember that Hellen & Cullen were so hated by the Maoris that the Maoris left Labour & formed their own party, while Hone Kii is so loved by the Maoris that they’ve supported him for two terms in government.

        Based on their actual records, Hellen & Cullen were significantly further to the right than Key & English

        That makes the current government the most left-wing in NZ’s history.

        • unsol

          I posted a couple of replies to Justin below so will copy & paste them here as it essentially explains why I think your expectations are based on nothing more than a utopia which is devoid of any understanding re how difficult it is for a govt to turn off the tap of entitlement:

          Most families in NZ received WFF. How many of them are likely to be happy with this being culled cold turkey? Tinkering is the only option with reforming such policies. It will take many many years to undo the decades of entitlement 90% of New Zealanders have grown to love, expect & often demand.

          Politics has no room for idealism. To vote on such a basis is to demonstrate a mind that is devoid of rationale & strategy.

          6 years cannot undo things that have been in play since the times of Savage. You are living in fairy land if you think otherwise

          Further…….

          Working for families – WFF & welfare has been around for decades.

          For example. In 1911 the widows pension was introduced, then a family allowance in1926….around the 1940s this was stop being means tested. This benefit was abolished by the former Nat govt in the 1990s & replaced by assistance that targeted low income families

          And this is without including Accommodation Supplement & the Childcare Subsidy.

          WFF introduced NO new benefits in 2004. It merely brought all assistance under one umbrella, raised the thresholds so the middle income to high income could become bludgers & increased the amount being paid quite substantially in the first year then smaller incremental increases from 2005 onwards.

          In one form or most NZers – remembering the bulk are middle income & have always qualified for the family benefit type payments, have been feeding off the taxpayer’s tit forever.

          And then there is of course there is the issue that most people in NZ barely pay enough taxes to cover their cost of being born in a public hospital, educated at public schools (including tertiary – we can thank the former Nat govt for introducing the student loan scheme btw), driving on public roads etc.

          The reality is 90% of NZers are in fact bludgers.

          So for anyone to assume that any government can change a culture of entitlement that has been enabled via poor fiscal policy, lack of foresight & plain common sense over many decades in just 6 years is dreaming.

          It will take years to teach NZers what it means to pay your own way.

          • NotForTurning

            Politics has no room for idealism, sure.
            But it has room for action – or action forces its own room.

      • justin

        National has failed to implement few actual policies which have actually benefitted new zealanders. The way this country is being sold out (literally and figuratively) is terrible.
        Our simple financial situation is a disaster, massive borrowing, exporters suffering, chch mismanagement, housing bubbles 60k+ kiwis leaving year on year, social engineering, housing bubbles, selling off our primary productive sectors…
        Really this current National govt is anything but right.
        Again I’ve voted right for years and years – but cannot see this administration as anything but working against nzers.

        • Ronnie Chow

          You wrote “National has failed to implement few actual policies which have actually benefited New Zealanders.”

          Not one of the dozens of posts made by Craig supporters on this page has addressed the fact that the Labour leaning Judiciary plays a large role in controlling and sometimes halting the actions of the Key Government .

          Do you guys really believe that Key can override the Courts?
          That Key can just change the law , and that’s it ?

          Is that why you are where you are , idealists with little knowledge of the way the system works . Because that just sounds like you don’t know how complicated governing is .

          • justin

            Cling to that belief – no point in voting national then either?

            Ronnie your concern highlights one of the power policies of the conservatives – binding referendum… remember the referendum asking for longer sentences for violent crimes?

            Also for the judiciary policies of victim rights first and full disclosure of previous convictions (very sound policy).

          • Ronnie Chow

            And if the judges rule against you ?
            As I have stated previously , Key is making progress .
            If you lot cut benefits AND protests , will not anarchy prevail ?
            Vote National and work from within that organisation .

      • peterwn

        And do not forget that a vote not given to National is effectively a vote for Labour/ Greens. If you do not like what National is doing then pay your nominal sub, go to meetings and have your say.

        • justin

          Peter,
          The problem is deeper than this. We have an election next year – if the left gets in then you, I, hell everyone knows that we’ll end up in the mother of all holes. The borrow and hope will be greatly extended as all the bribes will need to be met. plus all the minor parties will have labour bent over. We’ll have mumbles as PM, an aussie communist as Deputy and Winnie drunk on the babbles that come with Foreign minister (this is a tangible future only 18 months away if the Conservatives don’t get over 4%)…
          National will need a viable coalition partner – you would be naive to think that if I paid my subs and went to the meeting it would get National over half the seats needed to sit in the executive seats. (Hell Cam constantly highlights the rot that is in the National party infrastructure).

          • NotForTurning

            if the left gets in

            The left is already in. We have a choice between the far left and the madly extreme left.

    • unsol

      To add another 2 cents worth; I will comment here as can’t be bothered wading through what has essentially become utter tripe: One thing so-called former Nat supporters like you are missing in your tantrum is that a vote for Craig is a vote for a centre-right led govn. Nothing changes. Craig will have bugger all impact on the govt. He isn’t noticeable now & he wont be if he gets into govt. Second, the vote belongs primarily to middle NZ. The Nats in their policies have been very smart with tinkering on reforms & voting ME through. It has by & large kept this group on side.The alternative of course, if the core Nat vote is eroded, is a Labour/Greens govt. MMP means the numbers are tight so be careful with all your whinging & emotive response. At the very least you & your ilk need to be careful with what you wish for. Strategy is key. If you are a right winger, like you claim, then your priority first & foremost should be to ensure that the left stays out. Make no mistake, there are only 2 options – centre right or left wing. So making idle threats 18 months out from an election that would translate into no real change to what we have now (if your vote was successful/got Craig over the 5%) is just silly.

      • justin

        Unsol,
        Yes worth about 2 cents.
        1. No conservatives = left wing govt.
        2. If conservatives there now = no strategic asset sales + no crafer farm sale + higher drinking age + the list goes on.
        NZ has needed principled pollies over this last term… Where are they?

        • unsol

          Ok, so you are voting for Craig as a strategic rather than being resultant from having a tantrum?

          Why not put your energy into reviving ACT – a party that actually has policies?

          Seems a little daft….

          As for If conservatives there now = no strategic asset sales + no crafer farm sale + higher drinking age + the list goes on.

          Where’s your proof that Craig can deliver on such things?

          • NotForTurning

            Why not put your energy into reviving ACT – a party that actually has policies?

            Because Craig polled about 5 times ACT at the last election.

            Duh.

      • NotForTurning

        your priority first & foremost should be to ensure that the left stays you

        fuck that. As Maggie said: the first priority is to wipe out socialism and socialists forever.

        the second priority is to wipe out socialist policies forever.

  • Teletubby

    So it’s in the MSM now, if Craig’s expensive lawyers were any good they would have advised him of the Streisand effect.

    • spollyike

      It’s really weird how these journalists/columnists trained and skilled, are always trained and skilled according to WO when supporting the gay agendas or attacking those against it.

  • peterwn

    One word comes to mind – ‘bully’. Does NZ really want MP’s who bully Kiwis like this.

    • justin

      Judith took out defamation didn’t she?
      Really I’m looking for ‘conviction’… JK didn’t vote civil union but did gay marriage (same as Maurice Williamson).
      Colin key principle has been that he will do what the people want (said he would be happy with gay marriage if referendum came back in that way)!
      I want a politician who remembers that it’s the people who they represent.

      • NotForTurning

        Yeah but she sued Labour and the Greens

        who deserve to be sued at every opportunity,
        until we can line ’em up against the wall.

        • Gayguy

          Nasty wee thing aren’t you, advocating shooting MPs you do not like.

          Better get used to them being in charge from the end of next year NFT.

          • NotForTurning

            Not shooting them out of hand, well, not really, Trial and found guilty of advocating Communism.

          • Gayguy

            Except that is not true. It always amuses me how people like you on the right label everyone on the left commies while have no idea what real communism is.

          • NotForTurning

            To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.

            works for me!

          • Gayguy

            Pity for you that is not the Labour or even the Greens.

          • NotForTurning

            It’s what they both believe – and it is socialism, pure and unadulterated.

      • peterwn

        Judith did, but the circumstaces were quite different. Colin Craig was quite capable of dealing with the matter to his political advantage and giving everyone a good laugh, but instead he chose to use bullying tactics. He did have the belated good sense to back off when he saw it was becoming a political train-wreck.

        • justin

          Not fair the MSM have stone walled the Conservatives, or they twist his statements. The reality is that right leaning blogs like Whale Oil and Kiwiblog employ all the left tactics of attacking the character of the man (just look up and down here) rather than talk policy.
          The reality is that NZ needs the Conservatives and the Conservatives need to get their message across. Colin dropped the legal action very early on – but it was valid (lacking a laugh but holding his integrity).

          • rockape

            And what policies are those!

  • Gayguy

    This Toby fellow made me think of something else. Neither John Key or Maurice Williamson have threatened to sue the Civilian for misquoting them.

    So clearly they understood that this was a piss take site and they could happily go on with their lives without making total fools of themselves. Perhaps Colin could take lessons from REAL politicians as to how to act and ignore the little stuff.

  • NotForTurning

    2.65% from zero six weeks out for an election.

    That’s almost three times better than ACT,

    More than Maori + Mana, or more than ACT+UF+ACLP+Libz+Alliance combined

    Just because most Kiwis hate Christians doesn’t mean Craig doesn’t deserve to be in parliament – he most certainly does.

    Let’s face it, he can’t do worse than the previous bunch of communists or the current bunch of copycats.

    • rockape

      It may have escaped you notice but most voters want centerist parties in power. The other political parties Act, Manna NZ first and the Conservatives are ego massagers for the fringe political assperants. No one wants them in power. Even National dont want the conservatives as a partner. They give right wing politics a bad name, a bit like trying to cosy up to the National Front, not a VOTE WINNER. iF KEY HAD A CUP OF TEA WITH CRAIG, HE WOULD BE POLLING 25%

      • justin

        Time out. Rockape you can’t compare the Conservatives with a nutter outfit like the National Front.
        Why can’t you play the ball not the man.
        p.s. Colin has already ruled out the pre-election cup of tea. Rather a cuppa after the election to knuckle out the coalition arrangement for the right wing to retain the executive benches.

        • rockape

          Look , Craig got his percentage small as it was because some right wingers dont like asset sales and thats that. The teapot scandle didnt help and right wingers put their vote in the only non left place they could park it. It wont happen this time round, most realise this is the big one. We have a simple choice, vote National or have a green / Labour government for 4 years, yes, 4 years because I bet the rules on that are changed as a first priority, after all it has cross party support!

          • justin

            Clearly rockape there is a tiny percentage who don’t like asset sales? You are sticking with a hope that Nats will get over 50% of all seats, no need for a coalition partner? Crazy.

  • Mediaan

    Who is Toby Manhire?

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