Green Threats To Employers

Green Taliban co-leader Metiria Turei was on NewstalkZB this morning explaining her threat to sabotage the Auckland Convention Centre.

Highlights:

A Green Labour Government would legislate to over-turn a commercially binding contract.

Taxpayers, ratepayers and other businesses would be forced to cough up the $400 million to build the Centre (in other words – more taxes and borrowing).

Imagine the damage the Green/Labour Government could cause if they were ever in a position to deliver on their threats.

Why would anyone invest in productive enterprises in New Zealand if the Government of the day can willy-nilly decide they don’t like you and confiscate your property rights?

 


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  • spollyike

    Can everybody say…..Fucking Marxists!!

    There that feels better doesn’t it?

  • Chad Chambers

    How exactly will the government be confiscating the property rights of Sky City? They may move to re-limit the number of machines allowed, that is all. Sky City will still own the convention centre and it’s $90 million annual revenue, no?

    • High_Tory

      That is rather like Tony Soprano saying that the Italian grocery store paying him protection money is still making a small profit and still in business so what are they complaining about

      • Chad Chambers

        No it’s not. I’m not sure what profit they intend to make off that $90 mil every year but you can bet (lol) it won’t be small. It will have been calculated just like any other enterprise. Also, “Tony Soprano” is not being paid anything.

        • OT Richter

          Then how come Tony lives in a huge house and drives cool cars?

        • Muffin

          It’s not 90 mill profit. it’s 90 mill revenue, thats turnover, if it made 90 mill profit there would be dozens if groups lining up to do it.

    • BJ

      Sky City will still have to service their loans on the Convention Centre. Anyone in business is entitled to make a profit on top of any loan obligations – otherwise why be in business.

      • Chad Chambers

        Yeah that’s fine, they are entitled to their profit from the convention centre and I’m sure it will be very well run but for them to demand taxpayer contribution up to 35 years in the future to fund the venture, if they don’t get they own way, is piracy and I’m not sure why someone as astute as JK is supposed to be has been led down this path.

        • rangitoto

          What are taxpayers contributing apart from a licence to operate a casino?

          • Chad Chambers

            When the opposition becomes government they will rightly repeal the extra pokies law and that could cost up to the whole cost of the convention centre because of an insane clause in the “magic deal”. And Sky City would still own it!

          • rangitoto

            Appears you didn’t comprehend the question. You asserted that “taxpayer contribution was demanded” so WTF are you babbling about.

          • Chad Chambers

            It has been demanded in the contract. There is a compensation clause which I’m sure you know about. Any change in the gambling law between now and 2048 will attract a demand for compensation from the taxpayer by Sky City.

          • rangitoto

            Don’t renege on the contract and no compensation is required.

          • Chad Chambers

            That is true. Did Key and Joyce put in the contract that there would be no increase in the number of machines before 2028? Probably not.

          • rangitoto

            So no problem then. The conference centre is be a great deal for Auckland and NZ

        • island time

          you have no comprehension of an integrated business model. You dont spend in one area without considering the other parts of your business – your understanding is below rudimentary and you would appear to be beyond any real form of understanding

          • Ronnie Chow

            That’s because he’s a stirring pinko bright spark shill on a mission .

    • island time

      They earn revenue off the machines – they are a Casino. Of course there will be revenue impairment. Your understanding of this business matches the Greens and Labour understanding of business.

  • steve and monique

    Seems they like the idea of costing the country/taxpayer money.

    • Chad Chambers

      “They” being Sky City. I agree. Pirates, the lot of them.

      • steve and monique

        And the Greens/Labour

  • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

    I can’t see anything wrong with what Tuatara is saying. She will be the Economic Development Minister in Sheep’s ministry and she is free to make her own policies that she considers good for NZ. So get on with it. If that is what NZ wants, you and I can’t stop them. Wait for the opinion polls next weekend to see a shift in momentum towards Sheep-Hippie combination.

    • spollyike

      Tuatara, love it!

      • BJ

        I always thought she looked rather like the ‘wide mouthed frog’

      • Dave

        No resemblence to a Tuatara, for a start they are endangered, she isn’t, and they find their own food, she hasn’t had to find food for years! I concede she probably has the economic management ability of a tuatara though.

        • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

          he he he….have you guys noticed, of late she is the one talking too much while Hippie Norman has gone to the background?

    • tarkwin

      If you’re right I’m going to re-tool my company to make candles, sandals, bead’s, tie-dyed muslin shirts and hand tooled leather belts. This way I’ll beat the rush and be ready come next election. Thanks for the heads up, cant stay – off for a quick bong with the staff (comrades)!

      • Bunswalla

        Sorry Tarkwin – companies and factories are out. Small craft-based collectives are the way to go, and don’t even think about the concept of ‘ownership’ you evil capitalist.

      • Pshhh You think you will be allowed to make leather goods under a Sheep-Hippie government?

      • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

        Since you will run a company, I will tax you to death.

        • tarkwin

          Damn this capitalist hangover! I meant to say commune not company. Please forgive me I’m transitional at the moment, maybe a few more bongs might help…

  • tarkwin

    I wonder if she cleared this gem with Labour before telling the world?

    • rangitoto

      Labour are just the Green’s poodle. She doesn’t need clearance from Mr Um Ah.

    • Gazzaw

      A vote for Shearer is a vote for Norman!

  • rockape

    I see a huge trap for both Labour and the greens opening up. Am I the only one? Many labour voters are left but pro work and pro business that creats work. Many Greens are pro saving the World but are not left wing and not pro union and not pro nanny state. As the Labour party and Greens come closer together they will lose votes from both those elements. Sadly some will go to NZ first but many will go to National. The closer they get and the closer we get to the election, the more the workers will realise the true cost of Green policies in terms of tax and Job losses they will leave the alliance. The more Green voters see that its not about saving the World its about Socialism, the more will leave the Green party and alliance. National will benefit and Greens and Labour will lose. The unholly alliance is sleepwalking towards oblivion. Iam just waiting for a few socialists with some economic sense to jump ship and form a new party. Perhaps even looking at an alliance with National. A Democratic party perhaps.

    • spollyike

      Yes they are exposing more and more of their socialist roots day by day. They must have thought it was now safe to do so. Quick! We need to apply some “Rootkill” now!!

  • Lion_ess

    Has Metiria snatched Aaron’s shovel a couple of hours early? Great score – it’s all yours.

  • Simo

    Shall we check out what’s happened in Venezuela since Chavez departed, and a snap election was held, Chavez’s successor held on by a slim majority, on recount the opposition claimed victory, its split the country down the middle, here are some of the comments from the citizen’s:

    Courtesy of NPR – Juan Forero

    “Nearly half the country supported his opponent, and that creates instability in one of the world’s great oil powers. It’s become a nightly cacophony: Venezuelans, in cities and towns nationwide, banging pots and pans and banging them hard. It’s the most popular form of anti-government protest, and it’s been going on ever since Nicolas Maduro was elected president by a whisker, succeeding his boss, Hugo Chavez. The vote, in fact, was so tight that the opposition believes its candidate, Henrique Capriles, won.”

    “We’re more polarized than ever, he says, and it’s the hate that’s damaged the country. He says it’s hate generated by the government.”

    “People treat each other as enemies, he says, discrediting each other by calling each other names. The bitter debates have separated families and co-workers. It’s especially pronounced in the National Assembly”

    Doesn’t this “hate” sound familiar from the left here. …..beware people, Marxists will wreck this country using MMP and a compliant media. I would be locked up in Venezuela by commenting on this blog, what’s to stop XXXXRUS and the Toad doing the same here.

    If you hear totalitarianism for the first time, folk don’t recognise it’s shape and how the words are arranged. Its there in Toads word speak and is a clear as a cooking pot getting bashed. It will be time for the Potty brigade at every Green Party electoral meeting around this country next year.

    • Patrick

      Aunty Helen already tried with her vicious electoral finance act, remember anyone criticising Government in the 10 months preceding an election had to register with the Electoral Commission. Next step would have been to deny them registration. All very like an African dictatorship, Mugabe would have been so proud to see this brought in to NZ law.
      Even if Key did nothing else in his time in Government at least he stemmed the marxist tide for a while, hopefully with the Greens & Labours recent utterances more & more Kiwis will sit up & see them for what they are. Marxist economic vandals, we will all be eating bugs & riding donkeys before long just like North Korea if the Left have their way.

    • onelaw4all

      That’s what you get in statist regimes, unfortunately.

      Just look at the last US electoral cycle for a good example.

      • Simo

        We’re getting this shite from the Marxists in a centre right government, just imagine what our standard of living would be if these snarling angry arsehole lefties got to run the country……

        • onelaw4all

          Economic suicide,, no argument there.

        • kehua

          Might start a run on gun sales?

  • The Green Taliban also plan to legislate to ban the National Party and anyone else right of center.

  • Chad Chambers

    The other clear correlation from this “magic deal” is that it is the extra pokies and tables that are the true source of funds for the convention centre. So, once again it is the most vulnerable and poorest doing the donkey work.

    • rangitoto

      A convention centre is going to attract more poor people to the venue?

      • Chad Chambers

        No, the extra pokies and tables will.

        • rangitoto

          That doesn’t make any sense. Why would the current number of pokies stop the poor going there. Maybe they should take a bit of personal responsibility and stay home and feed their children.

        • sheppy

          Are there queues of NZ’ers in Sky City right now to get to pokies or tables? Were there any yesterday or the day before, or earlier this month or last month? If so how many were queuing.for how long and at what times?

          • sheppy

            You seem to have gone quiet Chad – thought you were an expert on Pokie machines and how many were queuing up to use more of them

          • sheppy

            One hour and still no reply Chad, could it be that you don’t know what you are talking about?

        • CJA

          Sorry mate that’s a crappy argument. People with a gambling problem gamble. 230 new pokie machines will not create more problem gamblers.

          • Chad Chambers

            Nice anecdotal evidence there but social analysts would differ, I am sure.

          • Phill

            You are sure….in your vast experience. Care to enlighten us on your credentials? or have you just read a few one sided articles in the herald somewhere.
            Are these the same social analysts who have never spent any time at the casino.
            As an Aucklander and regular visitor to the casino, I can tell you that the majority of people in there are not the great unwashed, but business people entertaining their clients and tourists going for a look.
            If you want to protect the “poor gambler who hasnt a clue”, then take the pokies out of the local pub and put them somewhere where there can be tighter controls.

          • Chad Chambers

            Tight controls? People so addicted to gambling that they leave their kids in the car, in the Sky City casino car park? Where are the tight controls there?

          • Lion_ess

            If they’re so addicted to gambling they leave their kids in the car when they go to Sky city, they probably leave the same kids home alone when they go to the local pub to play. Charge them with child neglect. Funny how you sympathisers never deal with the underlying causes, rather you blame everyone/thing else for the behaviour of the stupid.

          • Phill

            Hey dick…the reason we know about kids getting left in cars is because the carpark is monitored…by camera’s and security people walking around. And how many of those situations have you heard about vs the number of gamblers through the place since opening.
            Tighter controlls than the kids been left unsupervised at home, or in the local pub carpark that we never hear about.
            My qualifications…I never claimed to have any. But I do regularly visit the casino for drinks/dinner/shows at the theatre. Whenever my co. has people visiting Auckland we put them up at the casino hotel so they can be in the centre of the city. I have spent a fair bit of time in there so I can speak from my experience and observations that not everyone who visits the casino is a problem gambler.
            I want to see this country move ahead, not be stuck in a time warp while we pander to the lowest common denominator. Your theories would have the country wait for any looser that cant be assed to educate themselves.

          • onelaw4all

            Maybe we could make more legislation/regulation to prevent people putting their kids into dryers as well.

            Erm, yeah,, that’ll do it.

          • Sponge

            Horseshit – they are just bad parents. If it was not the Sky City car park then it would be the local pub with pokies or bottlie car park. Those people are just scum parents.

          • CJA

            Actually it’s called a bit of common sense something clearly you are lacking. Nice to see we have a new troll on WOBH.

          • Sponge

            Proof of this please?

        • island time

          Pokies will not attract a convention dimwit. But convention attendee’s (of which a large number will be from overseas) will spend at a casino while there. Do you know anything about business???

          • Chad Chambers

            I’ll have to say it again. The extra machines and tables that Sky City demanded as a part of the deal will fund the convention centre. I see that as damaging to Auckland. That’s not difficult to grasp, is it?

          • rangitoto

            They are anticipating that the additional gambling facilities will be used by the conference attendees, generally well healed business types or tax payer funded troughers. Many from offshore

          • island time

            That’s your view which of course belongs to a minority – isn’t it great to live in a democracy rather than be at the whim of some mad despot leader.

          • Patrick

            We had that – nine years of Helen Clarke’s regime.

          • cows4me

            Why do leftys constantly try to manage other peoples lives, what’s wrong with you Chad ? The extra machines will indeed fund part of the convention centre, so. Get on with your life Chad, don’t go anywhere need the bloody casino and worry about yourself.

          • CJA

            Time will tell and I would have a pretty solid bet (oh no I’m gambling) that you will be proved wrong and nothing will come of this.

          • Bunswalla

            You’re full of shit. The number of pokie machines is reducing due to the sinking lid approach. Notwithstanding the additional ones at Sky City, these will CONTINUE TO DECREASE.

            Here are the total number of pokie machines in Auckland since 2004:

            31 March 2004: 2,030
            31 March 2005: 1,900
            31 March 2006:1,749
            31 March 2007:1,634
            31 March 2008:1,607
            31 March 2009:1,497
            31 March 2010:1,482
            31 March 2011:1,384
            31 March 2012:1,345
            31 March 2013:1,224

            Source:DIA website: http://www.dia.govt.nz/Resource-material-Information-We-Provide-Gaming-Statistics

            So a reduction of 40% in 9 years, and you still keep bleating on about pirates and poor people. What a cock.

          • Chad Chambers

            Can you people not control yourselves? What’s with all the personal abuse?

          • rockape

            So according to you Chad, problem gambling should have reduced in line with the drop in pokies. Any comment?

          • Chad Chambers

            I don’t know. Has it? If so then it’s about to increase again by 20% with the introduction of 250 more machines to 2009 levels. All that hard work undone, which is a shame. Would be nice to see total contributions returned to the community from machines during this time.

          • Bunswalla

            When are you going to stop lying? For starters, it’s 230 machines – not 250 so stop inflating the numbers. Regardless of the exact number, if you understand the concept of a sinking lid policy (as described above) you’ll realise that the 230 machines will not ultimately lead to an increase – the number will continue to reduce as other machines and venues reach end of life.

            Your argument’s pretty flimsy in any case, and you’re certainly not helping it by embellishing the stats and refusing to understand simple arithmetic.

            See, I managed to do all that without abusing you, you fucking egg.

          • johnbronkhorst

            BOLLOCKS…..Natural attrition will see the number of pokies over the next 4 years (until the new pokies are available) drop by 400 therefore with the introduction of 230 will still mean a drop of 170 machines over the next 4 years!!!!

          • rockape

            So I surmise you have no ideas on numbers or the ammount or the profile of problem gamblers. In fact you dont realy know what your talking about. Now be a good little troll and go and do some research then come back and play. You are losing your credibility by the minute. I suggest you do some real research and not just look at those handouts from Labour and the Greens, you know their fiction,dont you!

          • onelaw4all

            Personal abuse alone without facts to rebut an argument (aka ad hominem) shows the argument is already lost.
            That is not the case above, however.

            Therefore Chad cock.

          • Alloytoo

            You didn’t perhaps think that some of the cost will be defrayed by…..Gosh – Conventions.

            It will be a Convention Centre after all.

          • Chad Chambers

            So why the extra machines? I would have thought tourism NZ would have more in mind for all these delegates than sitting in some nameless casino undifferentiable from every other casino all over the world.

          • Alloytoo

            Tourism NZ Sky city

          • Cracker1963

            The Left always want to ‘save’ the poor! Why? People are poor because they want to be poor- why else gamble, smoke or tithe your money away? I have been to Order of Examinations at the Auckland Courts many, many times over the past 10 years. Seeing these ‘poor’ people complete their assets/liabilities & income/expenditure statements is so funny, they all have surplus income? How is that? why can they not afford to pay the $5pw they owe on their loan? How is that? On right, they forgot to include the amount they spend on gambling, smoking, drinking & their generous tithe to their church. Dah- silly me. Good luck ‘saving’ these losers. Sky City could install 1000 extra pokies & still not generate 1 cent of income from me as Im not stupid (or poor) enough to gamble.

          • Dave

            Chad. Why don’t you try and close down outlets selling Lotto products in lower socio demographic areas, the people who can least afford it spend more on Lotto products than gambling in the Casino. If you don’t believe me, go take a look at a lotto outlet in such an area on Bene day, and look at the
            Casino the same day!!! Your argument lacks any factual basis, its emotive!!

            PS: Those same people who cant afford to gamble, often smoke, eat a lot of junk food etc and often drink excessive alcohol- are you going to stop those too in poorer areas?? Please be clear.

          • Chad Chambers

            Agreed. Shutting down Lotto would be a great start. You are not allowed to advertise alcohol nor cigarettes now for very good reasons so why are companies still allowed to promote gambling, a similarly damaging pursuit?

          • Not true, cigarettes no adds
            Alcohol adds yes.
            Your half right and half wrong.
            If you look at a liquor shop window you will see specials, you will not see cigarettes advertised.

          • Patrick

            Are you also advocating banning fast foor outlets (KFC, Macca’s etc) & booze outlets in the areas habitated by the poor & vulnerable?

          • rockape

            Parrick maybe the answer is you need to produce a bank statement if you goi to a fast food outlet, buy cigarettes or Booze or buy a lotto ticket. Socialist paradise or big brother.

          • rockape

            Char when did you last get out? Have you not seen a tui add? Another black mark against the credibility ledger. You need to sharpen up. Labour is feeding you the facts, Yeh right!

          • Dave

            Chad, you just don’t get it do you, poor chap. As long as Adam was a cowboy, and a priest with a glint in his eye spied an alter boy, people have been gambling and loosing all their silver. Prevention is far better than cure Chad. So rather than trying to remove all gambling establishments such as lotto, pokies, casino’s and the old Housie, its far better to educate Labours heartland NOT TO GAMBLE, and in finances 101. Things like, that $500 in benefit money you recieve tomorrow, its $25 a day for food, $10 a day for bills etc etc, and $5 a day for a cigarette or a coffee, i.e., discretionary spending. Banning casinos etc will just mean the unwashed and problem gamblers find another way to fritter their cash away. A fool and their money, or the governments bene money are soon parted Chad.

          • Dumrse

            There you go again, why should NZ Tourism control visitors. They are big people now, they wear pull ups. Do you ?

        • kehua

          To cater for the coming million new citizens.

    • Lion_ess

      Personal choice/responsibility are terms you need to become familiar with. I think you are confusing the “poor & vulnerable” with the stupid.

      • Chad Chambers

        I’m not confusing the terms. Vulnerable does mean “stupid”, as you put it. I wouldn’t put it that way. It’s the responsibility of a healthy society to ensure addictive practices are carefully managed. Some people are not capable of complete personal responsibility but it’s the duty of the rest of us to minimise the damage. That’s what I don’t get about rightists and John-Banks-o-philes, they imagine everyone is built with the same human capabilities.

        • Lion_ess

          So, in effect, you are saying the Labour and Greens are pitching their opposition strategies towards Saving the Stupid. Good luck with that, I’ll give you that their spokespeople certainly have got form.

          • Dave

            Their spokesperson couldn’t even save themselves, had to go into politics to earn a living sucking on the taxpayers tit.

          • onelaw4all

            Preserving ones core voter block is a no-brainer (no pun intended)

        • Phil

          I would suggest that by this new strategy the government and Sky City are being more responsible about addictive practices that those against. With a sinking lid policy in place for pokies the end result will be all the pokies in one location, Sky City. Better in one monitored and supervised place than having them in every 2 bit bar all over Auckland with no supervision.

          Just think the travel alone will put off many potential addictive gamblers and eventually Sky City might have a monopoly and charge people to go in and use the pokies; that would put even more people off. End result a lowering of problem gamblers (associated with pokies) a win for society.

          Add to that a free convention centre and it becomes a win win!

          • Chad Chambers

            Not really, the entrance to the Sky City car park is less than 30 seconds from all motorway exits.

          • Patrick

            But Lying Len is going to enforce congestion charges & motorway tolls & increased parking charges in the city, therefore “the vulnerable & poor” will be forced to travel on his train set to the casino.

          • Chad Chambers

            By “train set” I assume you mean decent, forward thinking public transport.

          • Patrick

            That may be a correct assumption but it is most certainly not what Auckland has or will have with Lying Len Brown’s proposed train set.

          • Bad__Cat

            Oh, Chad, thank you, thank you, thank you.
            I was feeling a bit glum this afternoon, but I have found myself cracking up so much at your naivety you have cheered me up.

            I just haven’t worked out yet if you are not too bright (it’s called being “special”) or if you are really really young. Either way its quite touching.

          • Phil

            So by that you’re suggesting that if I take all the pokies and put them in Sky City that won’t save one potential addicted gambler and that in fact they’ll all drive to the casino every time they want their fix? I would beg to differ on that but if that proves to be the case then it wouldn’t matter if we got rid of all the pokies or introduced 1000’s because the people you refer to are beyond saving. If it wasn’t pokies it would be raindrops down a window. To that end the number of pokies doesn’t matter, therefore we nullify that argument.

            The plus side still remains that we get a free conference centre, an increase in jobs and a boost to the economy. Again a win, win, win.

          • Dave

            Chad. How often have you ever gone to a Casino. Never ? I go occasionally, spend a few dollars have a laugh and leave. A close relative of mine works at a casino, and in my experience, backed up by their description, there has never been an instance where ALL pokies are busy, so a few more wont make much of a difference, just allow the gamblers more choice which game they play.

        • In Vino Veritas

          Chad, every is indeed built with the same human capabilities, it is not in anyone’s imagination. Everyone is capable of personal responsibility with perhaps the exception of the truly mentally ill. It is not societies roll to take away the individuals right to be responsible for themselves. This is just another tenet of socialism (and facism) that you are promoting. A tiny minority of people suffer from severe gambling issues, and they are quite capable of dealing with it themselves, if they want to. There is also the small matter of immediate family who can intervene to some degree as well.

          • onelaw4all

            Also another tenet of statism/socialism is to usurp the role of family/friends in guidance/assistance to these “vulnerable” that Chad speaks of, and to replace it with that of the State.

        • RightNow

          ” It’s the responsibility of a healthy society to ensure addictive practices are carefully managed. Some people are not capable of complete personal responsibility but it’s the duty of the rest of us to minimise the damage.”

          Would you support benefits paid as food vouchers for people who can’t manage themselves?
          What about compulsory contraception for problem rooters?
          Do you support anything that is practical to minimise the damage?

          • Patrick

            compulsory contraception for problem rooters – start with Mallard & Iain Lees-Galloway.

    • Patrick

      So the predicted 1 million Chinese tourists will not visit the casino? It would only be right & proper to extract some of their yuan if they are silly enough to visit the casino wouldn’t it? After all James Packer has seen the worth of extracting money from Chinese gamblers – at last count I think he was worth $6 billion.

      • Chad Chambers

        Haven’t seen the numbers but I reckon the tourist gambling dollar is a drop in the bucket compared to what get spent/wasted by locals.

        • Patrick

          The point is the locals have a choice, there is nobody marching them into the casino & forcing them to play the pokies. “The most vulnerable & the poor” – what a load of tosh. I don’t gamble but could happily spend all day in the boozer but know I cannot afford to, my job would disappear & so would my family.

        • island time

          haven’t seen the numbers but you are an expert…. classic!!!!

        • rockape

          well go and find the numbers then come back and enlighten us.Comment is all the more valuable when backed up by facts.

          • sheppy

            He doesn’t have any – its why he didn’t provide evidence when I asked of the queue of poor downtrodden gambling addicts that spend all their time waiting to get on the existing pokies and tables.

    • Gazzaw

      Horseshit Chad. From one who knows about hospitality business models, the Convention Centre will be a freestanding profit centre in it’s own right. The centre will take up to 3000 delegates – do you not think that they will utilise the extra pokies and gaming tables? Conference delegates don’t sit in a conference hall all day, they need feeding (hence the extra restaurants), they get on the booze (hence the extra bars) and guess what, they are staying at a casino resort so it’s reasonably logical they will want to gamble (hence the extra machines & tables).

    • Bad__Cat

      Oh what a load of crap. There is absolutely no obligation for your “vulnerable and poorest” to go to the casino and spend money there instead of on their families.

      It is a matter of choice – I have better things to do with my earned wages so I have never gone into the casino, and I have never wasted money on a “pokie machine”

  • peterwn

    Green threats to workers if you ask me.

  • Hang him

    I think most people are missing the point, Labour and the greens have no intention of bring these policies into being if they ever get into power. because the 3-4 headed monster there will be, they can all say we can’t do that now because we had to negotiate something different. It is just a pointer to there thinking. They all know they can say anything they like knowing they never have to do anything about.

  • FUCk she has no bloody idea about how the world goes round, does she.
    Put her back in her fucking cot with her Greeny toys and her dummy and uncle Normal Norman can ( if he knows how) change her nappies, because she is talking a lot of shit,
    Lookout here comes the communist party in green clothes.

  • Anonymouse Coward

    Gambling is an area where the state intervenes because of the social harm it causes.

    For the National Government and Sky City to portray the extra pokies deal as a normal commercial transaction where a willing seller and a willing buyer agree to exchange goods such as gudgeon pins is dishonest.

    Gambling regulation is a deeply political contest between wowsers and the permissive.

    The penalty clauses are the National Government and Sky City pissing into the winds of Realpolitik.

  • BJ

    I just can’t see how having more pokies in one central location can be said it’s going to create more problem gamblers. A high standard of dress code which can be imposed by Sky City and instant credit checks will sort out those that shouldn’t be there. Any increase in uptake of gambling at the casino would surely come from overseas visitors, especially those associated with the convention centre and hotel.

    • Alloytoo

      Not to mention that the contract calls for increased spend on monitoring and managing problem gamblers. (This seems largely forgotten in the Green hysteria)

  • bobby

    What exactly are all these large events Auckland (or NZ) is missing out on that will reap the $750,000-odd revenue a week they say will come in from this convention centre?

    I predict this will be a struggling duck which haemorrhages money to the point that Sky City comes knocking at the Govt’s door for financial relief at some point.

    • island time

      They are events that you do not see here as we do not have the capacity to host. Get onto google and do some homework rather than use your lack of knowledge as a reason for opposing something

      • bobby

        The main reason major events do not happen in NZ are not because of lack of buildings but because most people doing events known most people cannot be arsed coming all this way. That leaves Govt/international organisation-funded events which wont prop up the centre long-term.

        • island time

          you just confirmed your lack of knowledge about the Convention business.

          • bobby

            I see by your tone in every post you’ve on this topic you just revert to insults out of habit. It says a lot about the sort of person you are. Why bother posting if you have to be snakey and antagonistic everytime you disagree with someone? It undermines any good point you may have.

          • island time

            I guess its because I do not suffer fools very well. Your comments that have no substance what so ever annoy me. They are annoying because they quite incorrect. If you had any understanding of the conference market you would change your view on them being a white elephant.

          • Chad Chambers

            I’ve only been here two days and all I’ve got is abuse from frightened, blinkered folk. I don’t know how you do it.

          • Ronnie Chow

            Force majeure , sparrow fart.

          • Chad Chambers

            You are not making sense, son. Btw, why do you leave a gap before punctuation? Is it a kind of signature?

          • Chad Chambers

            You are not making sense, son. By the way, why do you always leave a gap before punctuation? Is it a signature of some sort or did you not finish school?

          • Ronnie Chow

            Why did you fail to put a full stop after your question mark ?. Surely , to be a grammar policeman , you would be holding yourself to the same standard of correctness that you require of others ?.
            To fall short of your own standards must be devastating to your ego .

          • Chad Chambers

            Fail.

        • Gazzaw

          Can’t be arsed coming all this way, bobby? So that’s why the conference centres in Sydney & Adelaide are doubling in size and those in Melbourne and Brisbane are perpetually full. Strange that the South Australian Labor government passed the legislation to increase the convention facilities (and casino space) with the total support of the Opposition.

          • Dave

            A few years back Gazzaw, the company i worked for, had all major conferences in Melbourne, Sydney or the Gold Coast, the only places big enough to comfortably hold the team comfortably and offer accommodation choices. 1200 people attending needs a lot of rooms, meals etc.

            So BOBBY, where the hell would you currently hold such a conference in NZ without having to book it three years out, and also book an entire bus fleet.

    • Patrick

      Why would the Government bail out a private enterprise? Unless of course they were a bunch of socialists. The answer would be to let the share price fall through the floor & another private enterprise buys them out – isn’t that how it works in the real world? Not a world where Governments use taxpayers money to fund their schemes?

      • bobby

        Well considering the govt has bailed out banks, finance companies and insurance companies in the last couple of years alone to the tune of a couple of billions dollars I think the precedent has long been set. Large organisations with in-demand services are often helped by the government in some way or another.

        • Patrick

          Those “obligations” were put in place by Cullen in one of his final acts of destroying the NZ economy, along with buying the infamous $1.5billion dollar clapped out trainset & in the process enriching an Australian company – Toll’s shareholders are probably still partying on the profits. If I remember rightly there was some argument made at the time that banks & finance company failures would affect NZ Inc. In the scenario you outline above I fail to see how a casino failing would harm NZ Inc & thus necessitate Government intervention, it just does not stack up as a likely outcome.

          • Chad Chambers

            The Key government was AWOL while the SCF crooks were doing their dirty business and ramping it up under the government’s protective umbrella. Cost us $800,000,000 when a bit of decent homework could have shut them down a lot earlier.

          • Patrick

            You are so full of shit, the protection was put in place by Cullen, if it had not been then there would be no issue. SCF would have failed, a bunch of investors would have lost money the rest of us would have said “how sad, too bad” & we would have all moved on. Instead Cullen left us with another ticking bomb. The only remaining question was why National awarded the hypocritical fool with a gong – he should have been up in court on charges.

          • Chad Chambers

            Michael Cullen wasn’t the one who fell over himself to pay-out under dodgy circumstances. It was the accommodation rorter, Bill English

          • Patrick

            So you are suggesting English should have reneged on the commitment Cullen gave? Based on the last weeks utterances from the Greens & Labour they would consider that scenario but the reality is English was bound by Cullen’s agreement. Let’s take a step back – if Cullen hadn’t made the commitment English would not have been in a situation where he had to honour Cullen’s promise. As I said earlier why the NZ taxpayer was put in a position where we underwrote Australian banks & dodgy finance companies risk is a question you need to pose to Cullen, not English.

          • Pissedoffyouth

            Key’s govt wasn’t even responsible for the SCF bailout mate

          • Chad Chambers

            They bailedout, in record time, mate. Not even an investigation.

      • Chad Chambers

        “Why would the Government bail out a private enterprise?”

        SCF. *cough*

        • Patrick

          You might well question that – remember it was Cullen that put the scheme in place guaranteeing investors funds prior to the 2008 election. More socialist policy with unintended consequences perhaps?

          • Chad Chambers

            Yes, yes, we know it was a then government initiative when every other government around the world was doing the same. My issue is that the crooks in charge of SCF accelerated their dodgy activities under this protection and everyone just stood by and watched. End result, it cost us way more than it should have. Are you not angry about that?

          • Patrick

            So you are suggesting Cullen made policy decisions because others were doing it? Sounds like the logic of a five year old child not a competent Minister of Finance. There was no need for the government guarantee in NZ. Kiwibank is taxpayer backed and the Australian banks were not at threat in any shape or form. Why did he put the taxpayer in a position as insurer of debt?

          • Patrick

            So just because everyone else is doing it makes it right for NZ Inc? That is the logic of a 5 year old child not a Minister of Finance. Kiwibank is underwritten by the NZ taxpayer, the Australian banks were amoungst the most solvent in the world but Cullen chose to take on all the risk. I guess that is what you get when you appoint a history teacher as a Finance Minister. Cullen did not have a clue what he was doing, he was taken to the brink by big corporates & he blinked first. The man should go back to teaching where he cannot directly damage the NZ economy.

    • Chad Chambers

      Yeah, $90m/annum is $1.7 million dollars per week! I suppose that’s all coming from the Chinese delegates attending deer velvet conventions.

  • Mr Sackunkrak

    Wow, what respect for the law of contract the Greens have. If only they would promise to legislate to overturn the contractual obligation I have to repay my home loan!

  • Brian of Mt Wellington

    Why don’t the Greens get stuck into alcohol harm minimisation with as much gusto as pokie machines. I would say booze causes more harm than gambling.

    • island time

      Maybe Prohibition is on their agenda????

  • blokeintakapuna

    Obesity and diabetes cause more harm and even death’s than an individual who can’t help themselves from paying a tax on stupidity by gambling to such an extent.
    Perhaps L&G should picket all the supermarkets in South Auckland because they’re making a lot of people there morbidly obese. Where is the outcry?
    It’s the same standard and even worse social outcome for NZ Inc. Plus the cost of food these days is even more expensive than power. Will L&G intervene in these sectors also?
    Norman should call for an enquiry!

    • rockape

      what a great idea. Maybe National supporters should take time off on Benefit days we could picket the supermanrkets bottle shops and pokies and confiscate booze winnings etc from beneficiaries. We could donate the procedes to the salli army.

  • johnbronkhorst

    I put this on the other “green/labour” comment topic

    Just a couple of weeks ago.. weren’t labour/greens saying that the electricity business was the ONLY one they would interfere with? Now, barely time for the echo of that stupidity to subside and we have yet another promise to interfere in private business. How long before they are telling every sole trader or high street shop…how much money they are allowed to make?

    • Ian

      Under the Lange Government of 84, we were close to being told what the ethnic composition of our staffing should be. Goff, Mallard, and King were all for it. Bet they still harbour that wish, along with the social engineering Clark introduced, that was enforced in schools by unionised teachers, and they are still doing it.

  • johnbronkhorst

    In answer to the labour/greens question….”Where are the jobs?”…Answer…..HERE THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!…To copy from the other similar thread here.

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