Shane Jones declares war on NZ business

Labour’s Associate Finance spokesman has declared war on the employers of New Zealand.

In what is a return to Labour’s nasty vindictive roots, Shane Jones says Labour will never have a constructive relationship with Business New Zealand, the Auckland Chamber of Commerce, or any of the other large employers calling on Labour to reverse their plans for economic sabotage masquerading as power policy.

Because they disagree with Labour – they’re now the enemy. 

For an associate finance spokesman to declare war on New Zealand employers like this is extraordinary.

Don’t believe me – don’t think Labour’s that stupid – check it out.

 


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  • SnapElection

    So what’s new. Labour were created by the unions and have always been the enemy of freedom, business, commerce, profit, wealth – basically everything that makes life worthwhile.

    What part of:


    To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.

    don’t you understand?

    • johnbronkhorst

      Could actually be Marx speaking.

      • Well, we know Jones is a firm believer in “taking the means of production into his own hands”

      • Polish Pride

        Yes because there’s only Marx or Capitalism…. (sarc)

        • BR

          Actually, the alternatives are big government or small government.

          Bill.

          • Polish Pride

            or no government and giving the power to the people via true democracy

          • johnbronkhorst

            who’s definition?
            To paraphrase Marx…….we will achieve communism via democracy.

          • Polish Pride

            Is democracy not the supposed foundation of any supposedly free society. Or perhaps you are not a believer in democracy John.

          • BR

            With no government, who will have the authority to maintain law and order?

            Bill.

          • Polish Pride

            The Police and the Judiciary

    • blokeintakapuna

      “common ownership”
      Trouble for the unions and Labour is – they think this applies to private property where business owners – mostly SME owners create an employment opportunity with their own private property… nek minute… the unions think they have some kind of mandate to have a say in someone’s private property / business…
      Their parasitic existence really should be illegal these days…

      • SnapElection

        they think this applies to private property where business owners

        of course they do – because this was what the Labour and Green parties were created to do: enforce communism.

    • Polish Pride

      “freedom, business, commerce, profit, wealth – basically everything that makes life worthwhile.”
      Freedom yes but we don’t have freedom and are not even within visible distance of true freedom.
      Commerce , profit, wealth – These are the things that make your life worthwhile!?!
      Best you tell your friends and your family that you no longer need them in your life because you already have everything that makes life worthwhile in commerce, profit and wealth.
      Do you do get a sense of overwhelming joy when money goes into your bank account?
      If you think back are the happiest memories in your life when you got paid!??!
      If so then you haven’t really lived.

      • Mediaan

        Don’t be silly. I’m sure what was meant was, wealth etc are what enable you to pay for the family home, pay to invite your friends round for a BBQ, etc.

        • Polish Pride

          only as required under this incredibly flawed system.
          Actually Mediaan many people think EXACTLY like this and it is not until you really make them stop and think about what it is that actually makes them happy. It is often only then that they can start to think differently.
          Wealth is only needed under the system as it is and has been for thousands of years with only the people controlling the wealth changing over time.
          Change the system to focus on happiness and well being and wealth or money is no longer required. Not only that but people will be able to have more than what they do now. Far more…

          • BR

            Define “wealth”.

            Bill.

          • Polish Pride

            good point. In this context monetary wealth but further to that no wealth is required if an individual can obtain what he wants and needs in a timely manner and the system is redesigned to facilitate this by working for man rather than man having to work for the system.

          • johnbronkhorst

            ridiculous twaddle….man is and always will be the creator of ANY system/society and is therefore indistiguishable from it!
            In case you don’t understand…the system is man and man is the system!!!!

          • Polish Pride

            the implementation of the system and whether man has to serve it or it serves man is the key John. At the moment we have the former and in it you must work in order to survive and lead a ‘normal’ life.
            Try this John….. list all the species that have to pay for things in order to live and survive on earth.

          • BR

            Money and wealth are not the same thing.

            Bill.

          • Polish Pride

            Well then I would ask you to define it further for the next time we have a continuance of this conversation.
            But I would say that it would be more correct to say that wealth often pertains to the amount of money one has amassed or the monetary value placed on the assets one owns.
            Wealth can however be agnostic of money or monetary value such as the wealth of knowledge.

          • BR

            Wealth is the the result of the fruit of one’s labour. Money is a method of accounting.

            Bill.

          • Polish Pride

            I think that’s a good definition. but its still generally (in my view at least) often calculated using methods of accounting and thus has a monetary value applied. Example bill gates wealth is estimated to be $XX billion. That said I think its a good definition to use going forward.

  • Goldie

    And so Labour disappear even further down the rabbit hole.
    If Labour aren’t going to talk to business, then how do they expect their policies to be developed and implemented?

    • johnbronkhorst

      Watch business go to Australia.

      • blokeintakapuna

        …and it went from Australia to Mongola with all the mining companies when Gillard and ALP instigated the hefty mining taxes. The mine owners effectively said “Shove ya taxes and ya unions and ya extortionate wages… we’re going to play in another sandpit”… and they did, are doing so and continue to plan to do so…

        Another $20Bn mining project has recently been shelved in the Pilbarra Region, along with plenty of other mining and associated projects. My daily contacts on both coasts in Aussie are in the Construction / Civil Engineering and mining sectors and they’re very, very worried. Major projects are being deferred or shelved completely, resulting in the 2-speed economy rapidly slowing.
        For the 1st time in 20 odd years or so, I’m seeing increasing evidence of Australian based Construction and Civil Engineers wanting to come to NZ… simply because the employment prospects that were there only a few month’s ago are rapidly slowing or disappearing fast.
        NZ is outperforming Aussie across a number of metrics… but we’re not hearing too much about – and it’s about time National started waving their own flag about highlighting just how well NZ is doing on the world stage by comparison – especially as the FACTS completely show up L&G to be the Chicken Little’s of politics who completely mis-lead the NZ public on a number of matters. MRP float, referendum, reduced power bills etc…
        Snap Election time!

        • Patrick

          It is evident that many companies in Aus are parking spend until after the election, most agree that there will be a change in Government but many are anxious about the capabilities of Abbott & co. Our CEO was in town yesterday & told us that compared with staff in our other world wide operations (mainly first world countries) we here in Aus are 40% more expensive to employ. That went down like a cup of cold sick. When the true financial position of Aus is released I suggest chaos will ensue, just like Clarke & Cullen Gillard & Swan are dishonestly misrepresenting the actual state of affairs here. BTW Clarke & Cullen should have been pursued through the courts for misrepresenting PREFU prior to the election.

          • blokeintakapuna

            Comment of the day!

        • kehua

          Yep,my brother tells me that Aussie is rooted for at least 7 or 8 years even when the redhead gets booted out in a month or two, he is very involved in housing development and has bolted up to Thailand where there are some very large projects coming off the drawing boards.

  • cows4me

    It’s all about the ideology with these clowns. I thought the general theme for those engaging in politics was to listen to both sides and try to find some middle ground even if it means compromise. Carry on Jones your arrogance will hardly endear those precious voters to swing your way, even better, stick your head up your arse and pretend this is all there is.

    • I thought the same as well and even dared to think (and dream) that it would apply to Auckland Council is well

      I should get off the Happy Stuff and see what be-foulment it really is

      (Actually already do :P )

  • Andy

    Jones doesn’t seem that keen on the Greens either. Ploughing a lonely furrow

  • Ian

    These Labour/Green scum are trying to stuff this country. They have been kicked in the arse with irresponsible policy, let’s hope they get really kicked at the ballot box. We, employers, are the ones that put up with their unionised employees, and to be quite frank, it is not necessary to stay here any longer. If there is an inkling these scum are getting near the Treasury benches you will see unemployment like never before, as no one will stay here to conform to their disgusting policies. Indonesia is a good prospect, it is cheaper to manufacture, and a bloody sight more competent.

    • blokeintakapuna

      only trouble there… is the rampant corruption…
      Good luck with that on a daily basis.
      If you thought the Aussie unions and ALP were corrupt – they got nothing on the Indonesians…

      • Patrick

        Interesting after the recent live cattle export trade issues in WA the Indonesians are now buying up the cattle farms that were supplying them. Gillard nearly sent the farmers broke & now the farmers are being criticised for selling to the Indonesians. The farmers have few options. Australia now has two major players looking for footholds to secure their food chains, the Chinese & Indonesians, I wonder how long it will be before the Indonesians show up in NZ looking for similar.

      • Ian

        So far less problems with manufacturing items there than we ever have here. Still take my chances there, than here, under another Labour regime, in cohorts with Greens, Mana, and NZ First.

        • blokeintakapuna

          I hear you re: and leftie government here. It won’t be troubles with actually manufacturing – it will be all the local “officials” requiring funding assistance to help keep the nasty trouble makers away from your nice, profitable business that could burn down any minute if these nasty trouble makers aren’t dealt with etc…
          Don’t forget Indo is a seething mass of humanity with some very desperate individuals needing to feed families, so strong-arming an entrenched foreigner that makes money in their country, from their peoples’ hard work etc would be very easily digested by the faithful – especially if the foreigner was an infidel.
          You’d be better looking at somewhere in the Islands. I hear Fiji would be a great place to look into…

          • Ian

            Been there, done that, under both regimes, and we will take our chances there, rather than under the Green/Labour/Mana/NZ First losers, if they look even remotely likely to win. Nine years of “The Dyke” were bad enough.

      • Mediaan

        And the dengue fever mosquitoes. And the new outbreak of the updated-specs, more serious, Bird Flu. More lives lost so far from the new bird flu in Indonesia than any other country. Most recent named site of it is Bali.

  • kohibruce

    Not sure voters will roll over as easy as actors in his favorite movies.

    • Agent BallSack

      I have a reply regarding getting bent over and effed in A but don’t want to offend the delicate sensitivities of the readers of this fine blog. Ideally we need another awesome hot summer followed by a snap election in February when we’re all still chilled and happy.

  • Agent BallSack

    What Shane Jones and the rest of his ilk don’t realise is it’s business and the associated revenue that pays for him to have a fucking job. Why are Labour to stupid to get this?

  • blokeintakapuna

    National’s election strategy should be to create a montage of this speech by Jones, Little’s “Employers are parasites”, Cunliffe’s “Bro-town rapping at the market”
    Positioned as Labour’s stunning Front Bench expertise, led by Shearer and Norman… and combined with a snap election… good bye MMP rabble…

  • I guess that Jones has to trot out this kind of diatribe now, given that he has been annointed as the voice of Maoridom within Labour.

    But I wonder how Sir Mark Solomon of Ngai Tahu feels about this, given that his tribe has become an economic powerhouse in the South Island by hiring the best people, regardless of race. Ngai Tahu has turned a $190m treaty settlement in 1997 into an asset base now of more than four times that amount by getting out into the business community and doing business. Maori are far more likely to prosper under the Ngai Tahu model for doing business that by Shane Jones and Labour’s myopic approach.

    • In Vino Veritas

      Keeping stock, you credit Jones and Labour with a “myopic approach”. I’d suggest you do a disservice to myopia, since there is no evidence that Labour have any approach to business, in any way, shape or form. Unless of course you consider nationalisation an “approach”.

    • kehua

      Agreed the Incorporations and Trusts owned by Maori are now a lot more savvy than they were 30 years ago and although mainly rural based ,most of their shareholders are amongst the Urban `Labour` target voter. Anti-business sentiment from Labour, Mana and the Greens will not go un-noticed by a lot of these people. National should be getting the message to these people in the same way that Horomia, Sharples, Turia and especially Harawira do. Every Tangi, unveiling, wedding, 21st etc is effectively a meeting over a day or more where the conversation always ends up in political discussion and debate. In essence there are generally more people at these `events` on a weekly/daily basis right throughout the year than you would ever get at Election Year meetings.

    • Hazards001

      That’s true as it stands on face value but as most of the so called beneficiaries of Ngai Tahu don’t see a brass razoo I’d expect them to be the same ole hands out for more please sir that they always have been.

      Ngai Tahu itself is just one more of a group of troughers that did well by a good long hard suck on the taxpayers tit.

      I’m sure Stephen O’regan is well pleased with his efforts as he pops off to work each day in his Merc.

      Why is the taxpayer still making dole payments to anyone that claims Ngai Tahu ancestors? Give them a job…the decks need painting and the trees need pruned.

  • sheppy

    The Q1 jobless figures have just come out and show that unemployment has fallen from 6.8% to 6.2% in Q1 this year – yet another set of reasons not to vote for the job losing lefties!

  • island time

    Jones is still fighting for credibility within labour and has to spew out this sort of shit to taken seriously within his own group of under achievers.

    • Patrick

      He needs to keep both hands above the bench if he wants credibility

  • paddles83

    I bet he hasnt delcared WAR on the Porn Industry that provides him with his jollies

  • steve and monique

    So the Business people of this country do not know what they are doing,and Labour does. Now this tosser puts bully into the equation. Well guess we know what assholes they all are.Lets hope the country votes with their finger,and sends these clowns to the political wilderness.

    • Ian

      Where is one of the perverted Labour line-up that has made a buck in business? Parker went broke in good trading times, ruining his business partner also. They can only eke their livings from either taxpayers, ratepayers, or misled trade unionists. They are nothing but leeches. Look at the likes of Little, Mallard, Hipkins, Goff, and King.

      • Mediaan

        Parker shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near our national wealth.

        He is the corrupt little oaf who gave a fifth week of holiday to Public Service employees, just weeks before an election, to get Labour desperately wanted extra votes in Wellington and Central City electorates.

        • Ian

          What about the little creep taking off with his mate’s wife, after the poor bugger was stroke ridden. This is the type of person that the left revere.

  • Patrick

    Shane Jones has not declared war, Labour have always been at war with business, this is just a re-engagement of hostilities. The ceasefire is over.

  • Jonathan Pull

    And national aren’t at war with unions and employees?
    It only depends on which side of the aisle you sit really as to which side of the “war” your on.

    • Mediaan

      Dim response. National has just done a truly magnificent turn-around job, and evidently you haven’t yet noticed.

      They have been working their guts out, lowering the unemployment rate and making kids who haven’t had a job yet more attractive to employers. They have done it while still maintaining just about everything on offer before (unlike most other countries).

      Can you not see how this is a help to employees?

      Can you not see how this actually helps Unions in their core functions?

      And they did this, not only after inheriting the damage from nine years of a hopeless Labour Government, but also after an international global economic downturn.

      Wonderful work, National people. Thank you so, so much for all your gritty hard work.

      • blokeintakapuna

        Comment of the week…

  • Jman

    I used to think Jones was one of the more sane Labour MP’s so it’s is a shame to see him spouting this kind of BS. He should go back to jerking off to porno flicks.

  • blokeintakapuna

    So Jones thinks only politicians can discuss politics…
    Could someone please show him the hundreds/thousands of times education unions and all the other union mouth pieces are “interviewed” by the MSM and asked to comment on political matters?
    Pot calling Kettle… Pot calling…

  • johnbronkhorst

    where exactly does shane think the 38 000 jobs (to bring unemployment down to 6.2%) actually came from??
    OOHHH year PRIVATE businesses, who are represented by organisations like business NZ and the various chamber of commerce groups.

  • Ian

    Watch the left-wing messenger Vance play up Jones in Fairfax, it will think he is nearly as good as Dotcom.

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