Sunday General Debate

bitch pills

Well, hello there, and welcome to Sunday General Debate.

Today’s 10:30am post (once published) is required reading for anyone with more than a passing interest in politics in New Zealand.  If nothing else, it justifies why this is a keenly followed blog, and its readers are frequently part of the story as it is being unfolded.

Until then, and after that too, the General Debate post is yours.  Any topic, frivolous or not.

 

 


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  • rockape

    While on the subject of Bitch Pills,isnt it time those at the top of National took a long and hard think about the next election. 18 Months out is a good time to look at the team your taking into the contest. A time to get new blood in and dead wood out. 18 months is just enough time to forget, so, JK time to form a list of who should be forgotten by the time the election comes round. I will start it for you. Nick Smith and Hekia Perata.

    • Whafe

      A ruthless look to, the next 18 months is going to be more of the same from the Liabour + Greens. National are going to need to be brazen and bold and make some of the tough calls, have the much needed adult conversations in order to get the best team onto the field for the election in 18 months time.

    • Gazzaw

      On the surface I agree with you rockape but both are there for a reason. I know very little about Maori politics but do know that Parata hails from an influential family and being married to Wira Gardiner means that she represents powerful influences in Maori hierarchy. A lot of us may dislike Nick Smith but he is an excellent and very popular electorate MP with powerful backing from the forestry industry and attracts those National supporters with green tendencies.

      Smith and Parata are necessary evils and classic examples of JK’s pragmatism.

      • rockape

        I like nick smith, he was my MP for a time. But, he is damaged goods and not performing as he used to, by all means keep him as Nelsons MP but time for him to take a backseat.

        • Gazzaw

          Personally I agree with both you and Whafe but you can’t have a political party that has such a diverse electoral appeal without representing all parts of that broad base.

      • Whafe

        Agree to a certain point, it will be how long John Key feels his pragmatism is paying off with Queen Hekia’s. Have a feeling that it is about to come to an end

      • spollyike

        So we should sacrifice decent directorship over our kids education in order to pander to some influential family of a quasi-ethnic group?

        Don’t think so….fuck’em.

      • rockape

        I wonder how many votes she brings to the table via her maoriness. compared to the number of pissed off parents and teachers(not all of whom are union members) she has antagonized. I just hope her mistakes past are forgotten by voters, I just have no confidence their wont be more mistakes.

        • Gazzaw

          True, rockape but it’s very indicative that the party can handle its internal differences without tearing itself apart factionally like labour. Nothing’s perfect though and there has to be trade-offs. Looking at the situation quite pragmatically do you really think that voters will switch their support to greens/labour with all that would mean to education? Parata may not be the most effective Minister on the planet but would you really swap her for the abandonment of charter schools and an increase in teachers union influence? C’mon.

          • rockape

            No Gazz I certainly wouldnt,but there is a big but! Will National be more likely to win with Parata in the seat or someone new.

          • Gazzaw

            Probably more a case of how important the presence of Parata is to maintain internal party equilibrium.

    • unsol

      I agree re Nick.

      I would also add Maurice, English, Hayes, Claudette, Burrows, Adams, Finlayson, Carter, Coleman, Bridges…..basically everyone except Key, Joyce, Collins, Bennett, Tolley, Parata & Ryall (IF McCardle remains by his side)….

      • and replace them with who? im sure its ‘better the devil you klnow’ going on

        • unsol

          I’m sure Cameron has a few ideas….I’ve said he should put his hand up!

        • Travis Poulson

          Come on Nigel, sacking Bluey last year worked for the Warriors….oh wait….

          • Gazzaw

            Yeah and effectively giving Cleary the DCM wasn’t the brightest move either Travis. I’ll back Nigel’s argument.

          • Travis Poulson

            Serves ’em right as far as I’m concerned. I haven’t been a Warriors supporter for 2 seasons now, the whole setup is rotten from the top down. No surprise that no good players want to come here, and lots of our talent goes over the ditch. My support disappeared with Cleary, and so did some of the players. Elijah Taylor will be joining him next year. Penrith are currently 6th, winning 4 of their last 5 games not to mention the shellacking of the Warriors. It took a couple of years for Cleary to build them up, and they let him go. Now he’s doing the same for the Panthers.
            I think the Warriors camp will be screwed for a couple more years yet unless drastic changes are made at the top down, even some of the players need a kick up the arse and take their job more seriously.

            Until then I’ll continue my support for the Bunnies.

          • Gazzaw

            I’ll buy that Trav. I’m not a leaguey so don’t profess to know much about it but I do know about crap management decisions and the one made about Cleary was a real doozy. The club needs a total cleanout starting with senior management. I’m surprised that Glenn hasn’t started already but who knows with the season already lost he may start soon unless of course he has been conned for next season by that perpetual Warriors myth, ” it’s our year”.

          • Travis Poulson

            Sadly Elliott will be staying for next year, and Glenn took over talking up big changes and improvements, and has failed to deliver. The old cliches of changing processes etc have got old now, results aren’t showing. They’ve tried snare several big name players and coaches, none of them want to come here. Wonder why.

  • LinkinHawk

    Corin Dann is a total prick, this idiot fucks me off royally ,On Q and A this morning interviewing Macully with the most pathetic lines of questioning, the only thing Dann has to offer is” but what if this”, “but what if that”, trying his pathetic hardest to stir up a controversy ,.

    • LinkinHawk

      Here we fucken go now they roll out Helen Kelly for gods sake ,biggest bitch in NZ

      • Whafe

        agree LinkinHawk, Helen Kelly has bitch blood running through her veins

    • Whafe

      Corin Danny is as useful as tits on a bull… His biggest problem is he rates himself somewhere up in the stratosphere when he is down with the pigs in shit

  • rockape

    How to Kill Trade unionism. Well firstly dont think your going to find a leader to leap forward and smash union power. You need to look at why unions suceed and remove that power.This wont be done by direct Government action.Unions survive in large organisations, and do particularly well in organisations where there is no competition. The need to compete overseas weakens unions. Sadly the main bastions of unions in NZ dont suffer from that competition,Health workers,teachers and public service workers. Thats why we need a privatization program . Charter schools are a good start. Follow this up with privatizing much of healthcare(most of that is already in place) and then contract out most of our public services. By doing that you will end collective bargaining and give workers the ability to sell themselves to the highest bidder with the terms and conditions that suit them.Employers realize what a valuable asset a good reliable worker is. Its a pity workers themselves and the unions dont see that as well.

    • You take their money away from them…like the $500k per annum that ACC pays the CTU.

      You remove the ability for union dues to be directly taken from payroll…make the fuckers go ask the members in person via an A/P for their dues.

      You remove Section 97 which allows them to blackmail bosses.

      You Remove Part 6A, which means contractors are tied to dead set useless employees form the previous contractee that cost him his contract.

      You remove the ability for political parties to have affiliate members. Require them to havre membership apply only to natural persons.

      You remove the ability of corporates and unions to donate to political parties. Only natural persons can donate to political parties.

      Those small steps, right there will break unions forever.

      • rockape

        It doesnt always take a sledgehammer to crack a not. I would rather see the Unions destroyed by the workers, that way a change of Government has a problem reinvigorating the unions. I agree re political contributions but would be more subtle. Just give the workers the right to opt out of the political levie.

      • unsol

        Make it happen & we will be loyal forever

        Unions destroy democracy

        • AnonWgtn

          Along with Greenpeace – our up and coming new masters.

      • johnbronkhorst

        Yes to all the above.
        Also what the unions forget is this will mean all those power hungry executives will leave, as there will be no way to political power be it directly or as the puppet master! Meaning unions may become a UNION OF THE MEMBERS again and concentrate on the genuine good of the workers…ie working hand in hand with employers instead of against them!

  • Whafe

    Helen Kelly, would turn males Gay………. She gives you that feeling in your gut, like when you were made to eat brussel sprouts as an 8 year old

    • Travis Poulson

      ……and after all these years I’m still not fond of the disgusting hard to chew, unsightly chokeball of crap, still not that fond of brussel sprouts either.

  • williamabong

    As a rule Michael Laws gives me a premium dose of the shits, its just every now and then he gets it right, his column today on Stuff
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/opinion/8713732/Laws-Senseless-noise-from-the-greenies
    pretty much nails it as to how much the green teleban have misled the country.
    Sooner or later someone in the judiciary is going to stand up and label the green movement vexatious litigants and throw their arses out into the street, these people are anti every form of progress and are largely funded from the social conscience of the latte drinking city dweller, and if he found out how the money he gave was used may not be so loose on the pockets when the begging bowl did a lap.

    • spollyike

      Law’s is awesome. He’s one of the only non-loony-lefty, non-PC guys out there able to get the message into media and print along with Sir Bob and Rodney Hide. Without his small influence and counter arguments to remind a few people just where this country is going we would be worse off i fear.

      • Whafe

        Agree, he has the ability to say things that a very good many of people think, but dare not say…

        It is well worth reading the opinion pieces that Sir Bob, Rodney Hide and Michael Laws put our most weeks….

        Gives faith that the pantsy wad soft cock agendas being poked at us constantly may not come to be

    • AnonWgtn

      Parliament is Paramount, so when you are in power as Greenpeace will be then can change anything they want, with support from their minor partners, called Labour, and Winston, who will anything for a bauble or a bottle of Whisky.

  • Liberty

    So where is Damien O’Connor?

    The Local hero Nick Smith has stood up to the Greens and
    allowed access to the Dennison plateau.

    So where does the current Westcoast/Tasman MP. Labours Damien O’Çonnor Stand?

    Does he support Nick Smith? And the employment of hundreds.

    Or is he under orders to support Labour/Green coalition who are only interested
    in land fit for slugs and snails.

    • Gazzaw

      He came out in support of Dyson so I guess you could say he is toeing the party line – albeit probably reluctantly. It won’t do labour any good on the Coast. Another indication of the green’s influence over labour?

      A vote for Shearer is a vote for Norman.

      • Liberty

        That was the same socialistic twaddle that Damien has been ranting for
        years.

        Mean while the forests have been looked up.

        Mining companies forced to dig a 2 km tunnel instead of a
        building a road.

        Hydro Power stations have been stalled or stopped

        Labour has treated the coasters with contempt.

  • cows4me

    Well off to the big city today and the boss and I are flying to Sydney tomorrow. Are off on a 14 day cruise around the islands. Will give you an odd thought when sipping on a cocktail, perched up next to the bar, sailing into the sunset. I do hope the weather isn’t to cold for you all and the socialists behave themselves.

    • Pix or it didn’t happen.

    • cruiseyman

      Have a great time and if you see any of NZ’s ‘best and brightest’ while you’re there, tell them it will be safe for them to come back in a couple of years when the minimum wage is $100,000 a year and don’t worry about paying your student loan, Norman will be paying those off for you once he’s finished printing enough to buy every beneficary a 4 bedroom house in central Auckland and don’t worry about a job, we’re all guaranteed one at NZ Power which might sound like the name of a communist political party, but don’t worry it’s not.

    • Travis Poulson

      Cocktails? that’s a bit gay. Have a beer for fucks sake.

    • Pissedoffyouth

      Have a good trip mate!

    • cows4me

      Thanks everyone will try to send pix’s but not to hot when it comes to that sort of thing. Don’t worry Travis will be having beer chasers. Must go and catch plane now, bye all.

      • Travis Poulson

        Take care.

        • cows4me

          Thanks well do.

      • GregM

        Feel free to stop in at my global HQ in Auckland with the duty free gin on your return. Have a good trip mate.

      • blokeintakapuna

        Awesome. Enjoy. Will do the same one day too. Hope it’s not a horror cruise though… Happy, safe cruising…

    • Hazards001

      Must be tough being a poor hard done by cockie huh? I’ll think of you as I’m sitting in traffic in the daily grind. NOT :-)

      • Travis Poulson

        Don’t worry, he’s only got a couple of months before the shit hits the fan in spring.

        • Travis Poulson

          hah, 2 thick townies downvoted me because they didn’t understand what I meant. cows4me will know exactly what I meant.

          *whoosh* I think the sounds is…

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