Why did the Conservative Party delete this Facebook update?

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If you ever needed a reason to understand why the Conservative party cult led by Colin Craig is simply not credible as a political party have a look at this Facebook status update that was posted today, and then deleted.

Maybe there is hope.  At least someone in the Conservative Party actually realised that was a gigantic blunder and deleted it. Shame my army was vigilant.

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Good grief! What a fundamental flaw in their understanding, problem is that those people really do think that gays and pedos are exactly the same.

Colin Craig should really explain why he allows people with such views access to their Facebook administration.

 


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  • I think that it is a reaction to the story doing the FB rounds: http://jezebel.com/florida-girl-faces-felony-for-dating-female-classmate-508849336

    • grumpy

      Great comment from that link.

      “18 y/o male dating a 15 y/o female: Creepy.

      18 y/o female dating 15 y/o female: Martyr. Yesterday 12:36pm”

      Certainly looks as if something outlawed for heteros seems to be OK for the same sex brigade……

      • I have a close friend who has raised twin boys on his own since they were aged 11. They’re now 18, and a credit to him – well mannered, don’t take drugs, and don’t seem to abuse alcohol. Both hold down jobs and have saved and bought their first cars.

        One has a 15 year old girlfriend, whom he treats well and appears to genuinely care for and respect.

        I find nothing “creepy” in that relationship. She’s quite mature for her age and he, like most teen boys can be a bit of drongo, though not in any serious way.

        Were it my daughter I wouldn’t be driving him.off with a shotgun, let alone the police.

        • grumpy

          Yep, I agree but this is the USA we are talking about and some communities take these things very seriously.

          • Josh Metcalfe

            And let’s face it, the Americans are prudes, so socially repressed that it’s no wonder their society is so messed up.

          • Agent BallSack

            girl on girl sex = bad, horse on girl sex is legal.

          • grumpy

            No it’s not. In the US it’s classed as sodomy.

      • unsol

        18 & 15 not so bad, but 20 & 15 – definitely.

        And terms of the age gap vs male & female or female & female – well the stigma is there because 98% of the offenders who molest children are male.

      • unsol

        And it was 18 & 14 btw…so even worse.

        • grumpy

          Looks like rather than someone being persecuted because they are gay, it seems they are asking for special treatment because they are gay.
          Would they be trying the same outrage if the people were male/male? I think not.

          • unsol

            It no doubt made the news because it is unusual (female gay couple) which has contributed to the outrage on both sides. The girl in question doesn’t seem to be asking for special treatment (even if the commentators are). Rather her defence is that it was a consensual relationship (which of course is an oxymoron when it comes to a child as they are not able to give consent).

            I think this kind of thing should be making news all the time as it is a big issue for teens & their families everywhere.

          • Gayguy

            Wanna bet?

            If this was male/male the outrage would be beyond deafening. There would be lynch mobs in the street. Remember this is the US. Lesbians are bad enough, but Gays…. pure evil to some of the backward idiots over there.

          • grumpy

            Fair enough too.

          • Gayguy

            No not fair enough. Their sexuality should have nothing to do with it at all.

          • grumpy

            So, why all this outrage from the gay community when a lesbian gets treated just like anyone else?

          • Gayguy

            The outrage is because she is being treated like this because she is lesbian.

            A lot of underage/overage teenage sex goes on and is generally ignored. Even in the US. The big deal is being made because of her sexuality.

            I am saying sexuality should not have even been mentioned. That is meaningless.

          • grumpy

            Oh, fuck off! Now you want special treatment , who would have thought?

          • Gayguy

            How is disregarding sexuality special treatment?

          • Johnny T

            Yawn. Fuck off faggot.

      • James

        I had a 15 year old girlfriend when I was 18 – there were 2 years and 2 days between us birthday-wise. Technically we were in the same position of an 18 year old having underage “sexual contact” with a minor for all of those 2 days.
        I don’t think that is all that creepy.

        • grumpy

          So did I – but that was NZ. Technically it was an offence but nobody cared unless you did something stupi – like get pregnant!
          But…this is the US of A where “statutory rape” is a big issue.

          • unsol

            Parents like this girl would have care – as would the likes of Lucia Maria who would most probably have gotten you charged with statutory rape.

            I heard of one girl’s boyfriend being charged when I was at school – he was only 16 or 17 I think, but her parents were very strict.

          • James

            Yes – the parents of this girl are obviously a bit “traditional” so we would have been a little less obvious about it. I was in the fortunate position of her parents understanding and only wanting to make sure that we were being careful.

          • unsol

            So as a parent would you be OK if it was your 14 year old? What would you do once you found out? Like I said below, I wouldn’t pass the buck & get the boyfriend or girlfriend charged. I would ensure we did everything we could to get her back on track in terms of the values & expectations we have set as a family.

            A lot of this kind of stuff seems to come about because parents seem to think that honesty & communication is a one way street so many topics are often taboo & met with a resounding ‘because I said so’.

            Or you get the opposite – super easy going, no boundaries & everyone wondering why kids are getting pregnant & catching more STIs than ever.

          • James

            I would be fine with it if it was my daughter, provided it was consensual (I believe that a 14 year old can consent to an 18 year old … depending on circumstances).
            It wouldn’t be a matter of values & expectations as my expectations are for my kids to experience life and to experiment with sex and sexuality – but to be honest with me and, above all, to be safe (both physically and mentally).
            STI’s and pregnancy would be disappointing though as I would hope that I had instilled the values of ensuring safety at all times into them.

          • Patrick

            If I catch an 18 year old humping my 14 year old daughter then he better be a fast runner because I will hunt him down & turn his testicles into “fluffy dice” hanging from my rear vision mirror.
            If I catch my 18 year old son humping a 14 year old girl then he can expect similar treatment. 14 is way too young in terms of mental maturity.

          • unsol

            I agree (14 is far too young)

          • Gayguy

            Not all parents are buried in the past with their belief as to how teens “act”.

            Those in the real world know what goes on, and would prefer to be in the loop and trusted by their children as opposed to having them sneaking around behind their backs.

          • unsol

            Teaching your children that sex is for adults is being a responsible & good parent, it is not being antiquated.

            But the conversation must start years before – when they are preschoolers & starting learn about their anatomy & must continue all the way through in an age appropriate way until & during their teens.

            When the child has a good relationship with their parents & has decent role models you will find – especially girls – that 1) sex is not even on their agenda & 2) if it is, they won’t be sneaking around by their backs. Good parents have good kids who (mostly) accept even if they don’t like, their parents rules.

            Failure to set boundaries does not create freedom, it creates a noose around the child’s neck that only results in far more baggage in years to come.

            It is a myth that all teenagers want to have & are having sex in NZ.

            Many – perhaps most, prefer to wait.

          • Gayguy

            I never said all teenagers. But many are, and it is silly to pretend otherwise.

            And as for sex being for adults… given the age of consent is 16, I guess you want it raised to 21.

            Yes start the conversation youngish. Yes make them aware of the dangers of risky sex. But never be blind to the fact that sex is not just for adults.

          • unsol

            I would want it raised to 20 but realistically that will never happen since kids have been able to go to war at 18.

            So 18 would be a great first step.

            Sex is just for adults – children do not have the emotional maturity, cognitive development or resources to deal with the consequences (STIs, heartbreak & pregnancy) properly. Hell, many adults who have sex don’t have this.

          • Gayguy

            Given the legal age is 16 and kids as young as 12 are having sex, you really think making the legal age 18 will make one fig of difference?

  • get a grip

    Large laughs. Sounds like someone has been ‘setup”. Either Whale or Mr Craigs facebook person.

    • Gayguy

      Poor old Colin was hacked.

      But kinda scary that people think he would actually say that sort of thing. I would not put it past him believing that, or saying that to his close pals… but not even Colin is stupid enough to put that on the web…. well on purpose anyway.

  • Jimmie
    • Phill

      Exactly..If it was an 18 year old boy and a 14 year old girl it would be called statutory rape. Why should someone get away with it just because they are homosexual. The “discriminiation” card is the only argument LGBT knows.
      Having said that, “I heard them talking about kissing each other”, is hardly grounds for prosecution…
      “But everybody else does it”, should not be a legitimate legal defense.
      If they can prove a sexual relationship, I would say the 18YO girl has broken the law. If she was not prosecuted because she was a lesbian…..oh the slow decline of moral values…..all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

      • Gayguy

        Decline of morals???

        Were you ever a teenager?

        • Phill

          yeah…but i never rooted anyone underage….
          I take it that you think because your a homosexual you are exempt from the laws of the land….(or your fellow sisters in this case)
          …Oh its ok…that law doesnt apply to me coz i’m a homosexual, and if anyone complains,,,, I’ll just scream discrimination and get some media time… and muddy the waters with some smoke and mirror arguments and …did I mention discrimination…..
          Piss off tosser…not everyone who mentions decline of morals is homophobic…back in your little pigionhole

          • Gayguy

            How typical to make such assumptions.

            No, I do not think any sexuality should be exempt However I do think making a massive deal of something that happens everyday BECAUSE of sexuality is wrong.

            Make it about the law, not the sexuality.

            So climb down off your soap box and pull your head out of your arse. Tosser.

        • unsol

          Morality & teenagers are not mutually exclusive, but poor parenting & good teenagers with a healthy attitude about sex & life in general almost always are.

          • Gayguy

            Never said they were. But to make the assumption that only poorly parented teens have sex, is rather naive.

          • unsol

            No it is accurate. Children should not be having sex.

          • Gayguy

            And yet they are. All sorts of teenagers are having sex. Well raised ones, poorly raised ones. Open your eyes.

  • RightNow

    “or kiddy fiddling” was just unnecessary. Without those three words it is a very valid comment.

    • grumpy

      “kiddy fiddling” is a term used frequently by WO describing underage sex, mainly in relation to Catholic priests.
      He should feel honoured.

  • Tom
  • unsol

    That is a shocking comment for anyone to make; reductio ad absurdum is morally repugnant when used to try & make a point about sexual abuse.

    Further, this is about consensual sex between teenagers – an entirely different albeit equally serious issue.

    Rather than being an issue about sexual orientation this is about the grey area re teenage relationships & how the law should treat them vs parents who are precious about sex/sex conversations so tend to be quick to assume moral outrage & hard line tactics to make up for their inadequacies as parents.

    • A 14 year old can’t consent, therefore it’s not consensual sex, it’s rape. Children should be off limits to anyone, and an 18 year old should know better.

      • unsol

        This one area we can agree on – I am not a fan of pre-marital sex & especially not of anyone under the age of 20 having sex. Hence why I took a strong stance against those claiming the sex Bill Roache had with teenage girls was OK as just a groupie thing. What he did was not OK.

        That said if it was my child I would not try & pass the blame onto the 18 year old; the parents clearly failed in their duty pass on the values they have (I am not sure if they are either not a fan of being gay or just not a fan of teenagers being in sexual relationships).

        Kids are having sex – more so than ever these days. And there are plenty of parents who don’t seem to have an issue with it – give the contraceptives, allow sleepovers etc.

        There seems to be a general consensus that they are going to do it anyway – which is totally not true. Parents need to remember that parenting is meant to have a verb in it – their house, their rules but more importantly they need to start the conversation about sex well before it becomes an issue so everyone is on the same page re expectations & values.

        • grumpy

          Good comment

          • unsol

            Thanks. :-) So given you have been this 18 year old – what would you do? Would you be OK if it was your 14 year old (leaving sexual orientation out of it)?

          • grumpy

            Nah, in my case, I was 17 and she was 15. Still technically illegal though.
            The only guys charged with “unlawful carnal knowlege” were those who got their underage girlfriend pregnant.

        • James

          I disagree with you on the sex as a teenager issue – but understand where you are coming from. New Zealand and other Anglo-Saxon cultures have a historical puritanical streak that turns sex into something far more “spiritual” than it actually is.
          From my view sex is something that is an enjoyable part of life and a very enjoyable part of growing up. It is really important to experience it with kids your own age when you are growing up as you need to understand what you enjoy, what you don’t and, like anything, become better at it.
          Provided you are having sex safely, nobody is pressurising anybody into it, and all participants are completely consensual there is nothing wrong with it. I think that there are issues around age differentials, and positions of responsibility, as there may be pressure as a result of an age gap or automatically from a position of power – so I do agree with the theory behind an age of consent but it should have a age-gap exemption in order to not criminalise normal behaviour.
          When it comes to my kids (boy & girl) I would actually be a little disappointed if they weren’t having sex (or at least “sexual contact” when they hit their teens; but would understand it due to being brought up over here rather than in a more “liberal” culture.

          • grumpy

            You are completely mad, either that or a kaftan wearing greenie.

          • James

            Nope – just someone brought up amongst lots of Scandinavians who have a very different viewpoint. It was quite normal to have “fuck buddies” who you would get on with if you weren’t seeing anybody else at the time (or it got to the end of night out and neither of you had pulled).

          • grumpy

            Kaftan wearing greenie it is then….

          • James

            You must be the only person in the world to describe me as a greenie. Most of my friends argue with me constantly over my “denial” of climate change and belief that the way to sort out the environment is to allow unfettered capitalism.

            And kaftans aren’t my style.
            I am, however, devoutly libertarian … which to some conservatives can appear left-wing but I would argue was further right than conservative as conservatives believe the Government should get out of the running of businesses but still believe that it should have some say in the running of peoples’ lives. I, on the other hand, believe that the only place that my rights to do what I want when I want end is the point that my fist touches the skin of your nose.

          • grumpy

            ….in your dreams, sunshine…..

      • James

        Depends on where the 14 year old lives. In most of Europe she would be able to give her consent. And in many Western countries there is a “close in age” exemption that accounts for the fact that teenagers will be teenagers.

      • Gayguy

        Legally they cannot consent.

        But they can consent.

  • Strtman

    They were clearly hacked.

    • Please explain why this is clearly so. I’m a ‘net veteran of 25 years and apart from them saying so, I don’t see any “clearly” about it.

      • Changeiscoming

        Because they said so.

      • Strtman

        You haven’t learned much in 25 years then Petal. First, the post was vulgar and sensationalist. Second, the focus was on a topic/area which the party said it would not discuss until the run up to next years election. Is that an adequate answer or do you want it explained more “clearly”?

        • I can see a political snow job masquerading as a “hacking” incident. This was not hacking.

          • Gayguy

            I know Colin is as thick as two short planks, and more than likely believes that sort of thing…but do you really think he is THAT stupid to put that out on the net??

          • Here is what happened: someone on staff / with access did it. It was then seen by the public. It was retracted. The person who did it denied being responsible as there were no witnesses. The suggestion they must have been hacked was raised. Colin either believes it or sees it as a practical way out of the mess. End.

  • *cringe* awaiting the arrival of gayguy…

    • Pissedoffyouth

      If the gays want equality, let them be punished for the same crimes too

      • Gayguy

        Agreed.

        But let’s not pretend that teenagers do not engage in sex. Let’s not pretend that every day 13+ year old’s shag, and with people under, at, over their age/legal limits.

        And before the fundies start screaming I am condoning child rape, I suggest they open their eyes to the real would and understand that teens know more about sex they they would like to think. Do I think it is right… no not really. But I am not stupid enough to pretend it does not happen or condemn teenagers for doing it.

        • unsol

          You have succumbed to the myth that minors having sex is commonplace. It is not.

          • Gayguy

            LOL. Clearly you do not have a lot of knowledge of teenagers.

    • grumpy

      Yep, hits are probably down this week, wheel him out…..

      • unsol

        My thoughts exactly. But it is fun to bite. Plus this is a crucial topic given the way young people seem to be trying to grow up faster than ever….and why many of their parents happily enable them to do so!

        • Gayguy

          Yes, let us return to the old days.

          When a girl was married to an old man as soon as she “flowered” Ahh 13 year old girls being forced to marrying 40+ year old men… twas a more simpler and morally superior time.

          • grumpy

            Still happens in the Muslim world – but we mustn’t talk about that – eh?

          • Gayguy

            Yep it does. The sort of simple morals that people like unsol yearn for.

          • unsol

            Don’t try & use the information I have given you about traditional marriage against me. You should know by now that I am no fan of such sentiments.

            And you really need to just piss off – you are nothing more than a troll on here. You contribute very little by way of substantive debate & don’t even have the respect of those who might share similar views.

          • Gayguy

            I love it when people like you get all pissy because I will not bow to your silly naive ideas.

            The fact that all you have done in this thread is parrot the one line, and refuse to see facts, indicates that tis you who cannot contribute anything of substance as you refuse to see facts.

  • CoNZervative

    Just another example of the “equality-love-tolerants” hacking conservative websites and not having the courage to reveal who they are. Bob McCoskrie’s various websites are apparently under attack at the moment, too. You won your parliamentary debate; play fair.

    • All I see is a mistaken FB post and Tweet being retracted, and the “we’ve been hacked” is a smoke screen.

      • CoNZervative

        Why then launch an investigation? And is it just coincidental that the Family First peeps seem to be under “intense” hacking at the same time? There’s a group of anti-consv./anti-christian nasties out there; they’ve been doing this for months. Be great when they get caught.

        • Hearsay.

          Hard fact: A tweet and a Facebook update were published.

          Twitter and Facebook accounts do not get “hacked” by anti-(insertlabel) people while every other news organisation, lobby group, blog owners, etc, are left alone.

          Occam’s Razor – the simplest answer is the most likely answer.

          Either own the Tweet/update, or admit that someone got their sticky fingers on a computer that was logged out. But let’s not pretend there is some entity out there specifically targeting (insertlabelhere)

          • Pissedoffyouth

            Well exactly, why would a hacker say what Colin would say anyway? Wouldn’t the hacker say some shit like “I just got rammed by a guy named bubba, shit, this gay stuff is awesome” or something like that?

          • Changeiscoming

            Occam’s Razor – the simplest answer is the most likely answer
            Then we agree, they were hacked.

    • Gayguy

      Yet something old Colin probably believes.

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