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Watch as a group of Muslims described murdered British soldier Lee Rigby as a dog who deserved to die.

These are Australian Muslims…you know from the religion of peace.

 


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  • maninblack

    Fucking disgraceful- send them back.

    • caleb

      Will this end up on primetime news?
      It would if it was Pauline Hanson.

      • Patrick

        60 Minutes & Sunday Night programmes both aired this & similar last Sunday night – catch the programmes if you can, very revealing viewing regarding the attitudes of local Muslims & their hate preacher in Britain Ashem Chowdrey.

    • Nechtan

      Agree, but I wouldn’t mind betting that they (or at least some of them) were born in Australia.

      • caleb

        Then the biggest failure lies within the Nation itself. The deconstruction of its culture and values.

        Geert says it perfectly

        http://brendanslongblog.blogspot.co.nz/2013/06/the-future-of-europe-geert-wilders.html

        • Andy C

          Do you mean the culture and values from the english immigration caleb, or the original aboriginal nation’s culture and values?

          • caleb

            Yes, Id like to see you promote a stone age culture into the modern era.

          • mike

            We do… it’s called Maoridom.

          • andrew carrot

            No, Maoridom’s part of the flax age

  • Mike

    This is what we have to look forward to. The west has to immediately stop importing these savages. As you can see they have no intention of assimilating into their host countries culture, their only allegiance is to their barbaric, primitive so-called religion.

    • Whafe

      There is the key Mike “they have no intention of assimilating into their host countries culture”
      They want the good things that their country cannot offer them, yet arrive and then have that to say.

    • OT Richter

      Since when was assimilating into a host countries culture a condition of immigration?

      • caleb

        Why immigrate in the first place??

        • OT Richter

          For a better, safer life.

          • johnbronkhorst

            So this all about what the immigrant wants? Nothing to do with what the host country wants or needs!!!!!!! According to YOU!!!!

          • OT Richter

            No Johnny. Caleb asked a simple question and I answered it.

          • caleb

            If you immigrate for a better life, then you should realize that the culture in the country that you immigrate to, is responsible for the ‘better, safer life’. The idea is not to turn the new country into the same country that was left behind, or is it?

          • Andy C

            I guess you are currently wearing a grass skirt and living in a pa then eh caleb.

          • caleb

            Troll or idiot?

          • Andy C

            Neither, just saying that what you require is for “them” to be like “us”, except for the times when you wanted it the other way around

          • caleb

            I cant see how you can objectively compare the two.

        • onelaw4all

          To spread the “word” while simultaneously softening up the host country by bankrupting their welfare system.

          See: The Netherlands and much of Scandinavia, France, the U.K. etc etc

          • tarkwin

            Got it in one.

      • manuka416

        It should be. If you’re not going to contribute to your new country you shouldn’t be allowed in.

        • OT Richter

          Don’t confuse assimilation with contribution.

          • unitedtribes

            Are you supporting the murdering cunts

          • OT Richter

            Not, not at all. Merely questioning the extent to which an immigrant is expected to change. I believe that expecting someone to change their religious beliefs is asking too much, and asking for trouble.

            As for the simpletons in the video, they are spouting crap that they cannot back up with sound reasoning. Morons for sure.

          • johnbronkhorst

            Same simpletons that kill people because they are NOT muslims.

          • unitedtribes

            At best they are hiding behind religious beliefs I dont think they have any beliefs at all they are murdering cunts thats all.

          • unitedtribes

            This is what their stinking religion is about “Taliban militants in Afghanistan reportedly beheaded two children on Monday, ages 10 and 16, as punishment for stealing food.”

          • Travis Poulson

            You obviously didn’t read properly then, or picked a piss poor source for your news. They weren’t beheaded for stealing food.

            (Reuters) – Taliban fighters beheaded two boys aged 10 and 16 as a warning to villagers not to cooperate with the Afghan government, local officials said.

            The boys, named Khan and Hameedullah, had travelled to Afghan army and police checkpoints near their home in the southern province of Kandahar, scrounging for leftover food to bring to their families, the officials said.

            “The boys were on their way back … when they were stopped by Taliban insurgents who beheaded them,

            http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/10/us-afghanistan-beheadings-idUSBRE9590PA20130610

          • Random66

            Whatever the reason Trav they still beheaded two children. TWO CHILDREN! Bastards.

          • Travis Poulson

            Yep, but when backing up ones statement it is essential to get the right information, or at least quote the source. Not just quote part of an article with no reference which turned out to be incorrect anyway. Misinformation is worse than no information.

          • Random66

            Whoever gave me a thumbs down must be quite okay with the prospect of two children dying a horrific death for no better reason than to find food for their family. You sick, pathetic individual. I normally couldn’t careless who gives me a thumb down, but man would I love to know who you are.

          • Nechtan

            I do wonder why Reuters and other news agencies refer to them a “Taliban fighters” and not terrorists especially in this instance, as beheading the two children was clearly designed to terrorise and intimidate the local village. Calling them fighters, insurgents etc.. gives a degree of legitimacy that they don’t deserve.

          • Travis Poulson

            No idea, makes no difference to me, I’m tired of hearing the word terrorism thrown at everything these days anyway.

            I’ll be happy when forces are withdrawn from both countries to leave them to their own devices, not worth the western blood.

            If they want to kill each other fine, let them do it. They’ve been doing it for thousands of years anyway.

          • unsol

            And further, it’s not the west’s business. These are civil wars which have been going on since forever. They were there before the West & will be there long after the West leaves.

          • mike

            There is no East and West now, the cold war is over. All wars are now global problems because the have the ability to adversely effect all countries (trade/economy/terrorism etc).

            Yes natural resources play into this for the simple fact that our civilisation needs them, despite what the Greens might think.

          • Mr_Blobby

            There is Uranium in them there hills. The purest kind that needs less refining and enriching. Not to mention the drugs.

          • Kendall

            Both the US geological survey and the former USSR looked into them their hills. Yes there is coal, crap quality and extreamly hard to get physically ( out of the ground, a long way from anywhere, security issues, other infrastructure issues). Didn’t see much of that other stuff on the imagery. Unless someone else puts it there.

          • unitedtribes

            Cut and past from Stuff. but the point is !!!!

          • Mr_Blobby

            So Why come at all.

      • Euan Ross-Taylor

        OTT might be a more appropriate name for you? The answer to your question,
        “Since when was assimilating into a host countries culture a condition of immigration?”

        Assimilation is expected when you swear allegiance to your new host country – that is what the ceremony is all about.

        • Random66

          Yep, something along the lines of ‘When in Rome..’

        • OT Richter

          Yes… but, at some point individuality needs to be
          preserved. Lest we all end up the same.
          From the posts above, I get the impression that immigrants
          are expected to totally change – leaving
          all religious and cultural beliefs at the airport terminal. Perhaps there should be a special box that
          they can dispose of said beliefs into before clearing customs.
          Donovan – point taken, but note that white culture (assuming
          you are white) in SA is a long way different to Islamic Afghanistan. Assimilation for you on the North Shore will
          certainly be a shorter journey.

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            I think the intention of commenters is rather that new immigrants should assimilate to the values of their host country. Of course an expression of culture is cherished, and especially so in NZ. But fundamentally NZ society and law is built on christian principles (not Christianity note) and this is what people need to adopt when proclaiming their allegiance.

          • unsol

            I agree with this in part, but the other side of the coin of course is that countries such as NZ have freedom of religion etc which means that all people have the right to express their faith. We may have started out with following Christian principles but we are now governed by what is primarily universal law.

            These 2 murderers are not people of faith; no more so than those part of the Gunpowder plot in Britain or who were part of the mob that tore Hypatia of Alexandria to pieces with glass fragments or anyone who killed in the name of Christianity/God.

            Extremists have always been around; their actions have nothing to do with the core values of the faith they supposedly adhere to.

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            True, but freedom of religion can still only be practiced within the laws of the country. I fully accept freedom of religion as it protects my rights to practice what I believe as much as anyone else.

          • unsol

            I completely agree. Does the Muslim religion say that one can & must go & behead random strangers though? I am thinking it probably doesn’t, but then from what I do know the Koran seems to similar/based on the OT of the Bible which as most should know is incredibly barbaric & antiquated.

            Which begs the question why don’t Jews attack/kill people in NZ in the name of their faith like they do in Israel?

          • johnbronkhorst

            “seems to similar/based on the OT of the Bible which as most should know is incredibly barbaric & antiquated.”
            Antiquated…really and the basis for ALL our laws and legal system would be????????????????????
            The 10 commandments. (not just Hollywood block buster) Isn’t this in the Old Testiment?

          • unsol

            And in the NT – but a slightly different version…….so would assume the Jews follow the OT & the Christians apparently follow the NT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (just matching your punctuation :-))

          • onelaw4all

            On the wall of the US supreme court there is,,, you guessed it.

          • mike

            really…

            “You shall have no other gods before me”… aren’t we a secular society?

            “You shall not make for yourself a carved image…” oh shit the church does have a carved image of Christ oops!
            “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain” Good lord we do this!
            “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy…” when was the last time you did nothing on a Sunday?
            “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house” we all want to have more (be honest)
            “you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife” don’t lie everybody does it
            ““or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.” LOL… just LOL…

            So please tell me which of these 7 Commandments are our laws based on and do you follow… or should we take you out back and stone you?

          • unsol

            you’ve jumped the gun there – he is says he is an atheist.

            Good to see you know your Bible as well as you know your Quran…

          • Donovan Jackson

            Actually, it’s a Saturday that is the Sabbath. When that got inconvenient, the christians moved it to Sunday, the first day of the week…

          • Kendall

            The OT is the third book of Islam. The five pillars of Islam come from Moses- just a few years later. Literacy is the key in other countries, closer to home these people should read what their religion has to say rather than listen to rhetoric

          • LesleyNZ

            I have an English version of the Koran. It is a collection of stuff from the Old and New Testament (and picked out of context) and other stuff added. It is like a whole lot of one liners strung together to the point that it appears that Mohammad was rather illiterate as it doesn’t make sense. He was obviously brought up on a diet of the Old and New Testament and chose the bits of the Bible to suit himself and took things very literally – rather than in a spiritual sense – and there is very little love and compassion. http://khatoons.com/books/shia-books/the-holy-koran-interpreted-only-bymir-ahmed-ali-pb.html

            You can buy a copy of the Koran for $3.99 http://abis.org.nz/

          • Kendall

            He was illiterate. He dictated to a scribe who quit some way through the work, and was replaced. You can almost read where the writer changed.

          • onelaw4all

            “I completely agree. Does the Muslim religion say that one can & must go & behead random strangers though?”

            As long as they are unbelievers and can’t be converted, the Koran is quite happy with it.

          • mike

            Endorses it in fact

            “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” Quran 8:12

          • mike

            Whoa, I haven’t seen any reports of Jews committing atrocities like 9/11 / Lochiebie / USS Cole / Embassy Bombings / Beirut Marine barrack bombings / Suicide Bombings… do I need to continue?

          • unsol

            Since you’re a fan if google try looking up what the orthodox news get up to…and maybe read books like the Iron Wall…the Palestinians would clearly disagree with you.

            And then of course we only have to look at western foreign & trade policy & the atrocities that have followed re taking primary produce from foreign countries, going to war in the name of freedom (oil)…

          • mike

            Palestinians didn’t exist until 1967
            “Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
            “We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians – they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
            “When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.

            Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist

          • mike

            “There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. ‘Palestine’ is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it”.

            – Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 –

          • mike

            We’ll forget the part where Romans actually created Palestine in 2AD

          • unsol

            And so we should – it has no more relevance to the topic at hand than introducing when NZ, USA, Britain, Australia etc were created.

          • mike

            No it shows that the “Palestinian” people have no real historical claim to that part of the world.

          • unsol

            Bollicks

          • mike

            Well please educate me as to what their actual historical claim to that region of the world is… because as far as I can tell they have less claim to it than the Bedouin people (who do not call themselves Palestinians.)

          • unsol

            Hmmmm. No

            But I will give you this instead:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zvBD3CsI0M (Bedouin Soundclash)

          • mike

            Hmm no? Does this mean you have no evidence or you can’t be bothered looking for factual evidence that will support your cliam and is verifiable… which would be hard because your claim is untrue.
            And a Youtube video… really? Not even bothering to watch it.

          • unsol

            Your loss, they are a fantastic band. But they have as much relevance to the topic as Palestinian history.

            The answer was no to educating you. The general rule in life is not to ask questions you don’t already know the answers to so I can only assume that you think you know this history inside out so what to get into the debate over that, or perhaps you know even less than what you are trying to imply. Either way I’m not interested. IF WO posts a topic on Palestinian history then I shall consider answering your question.

          • mike

            You fool… the question of Palestinian history is relevant… and since you raised the issue of Palestinians in the first place it’s a bit rich of you to say it’s off topic.
            And I have provided evidence to support that claim, you have just chosen to not accept it because it doesn’t sit well in your world view.
            Just how far to the left are you?

          • unsol

            Ad hominem attacks – now you’re really losing.

            Nice one mike.

            Evidence – care to reiterate? All I have seen is unsubstantiated opinion & a few copy & paste excerpts…not quite the same thing

          • mike

            My statement calling you a fool was based on your actions and words, completely justified and not an Ad hominem attack at all… just a statement of fact.

            Your arguments always stay the same, you ask for evidence and I produce it, you then say its not relevant and require more evidence which I then produce. You however fail to present any evidence whatsoever to support any of your claims.

            This behavior is indicative of leftist tactics, therefore my presumption of your political bias. You still didn’t answer that question.

            If the evidence I have provided is wrong than refute it, that is how educated people debate issues like this.

          • unsol

            There was no such thing as New Zealand either….or the USA…times change

            Palestine is a country in its own right.

          • mike

            If you are referring to the West bank then rubbish! If you are referring to the Arab partition of the British Mandate of Palestine then sure… that’s called Jordan.

            Yes that’s right there already is a “Palestinian” homeland.

          • unsol

            No I am referring to the fact that is considered by the UN as a non member observing State where its diplomats are able to represent the State of Palestine – something which is supported by 2/3 of the UN members.

            So for all intents and purposes it is a country in its own right.

            And you are sidetracking the issue completely.

            We are talking about extremists vs the faith of the general muslim populous.

            But WO will be thanking us – pageviews will have spiked considerably.

          • mike

            And why is that… could it be because of the old Arab-Soviet Third World Bloc in the UN?

            There is a marked bias against Israel within the UN, do some research on it and you will be amazed at how corrupt the UN really is.

          • unsol

            And how much research have you done? International Relations 101? Serious question.

            I am not going to debate the merits of the UN with you as 1) you would be at an unfair disadvantage & 2) it is not pertinent to the topic at hand

            You have yet to prove that Muslims are directed by the Quran to murder all non believers.

            Once you put forward something other than the verses themselves (of which I can provide biblical verses to match from both the OT & NT) then we talk.

          • mike

            Does the name Daniel Pearl mean anything to you? If you look back through recent history (Iraq, Afghan and Chechnya) you will find examples of where radical Islamists have murdered or are actively murdering innocents, not just Christians but Sunni killing Shia Muslims and vice versa all “in the name of Allah”.

          • unsol

            Yes it does. Do the names Captain R (Israeli soldier who “who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old”) or names like Lubna Hanash Suad Yusuf Jaara mean anything to you? Not to mention the many cases of Israeli troops deliberately killing children & babies

            Your beloved Israelis also have t-shirts boasting of their efforts…

            There is always another side to civil conflict; Christianity is no more synonymous with good than it is with right wing ideology. In fact all religions undermine political ideologies.

          • mike

            Don’t trust everything you hear in the liberal media

          • unsol

            And where is it you get your information from then mike? This blog? Other blogs? If you are as well read as you imply you should know you don’t trust any source. Instead you read everything, look for independent verification (if it exists) & go from there.

            If you think you can prove that the Israelis haven’t done the above then feel free to demonstrate this.

          • mike

            Well congrats on distracting me with your straw man… I’m sure the original issue was “is Palestine a country”… to which you have been unable to provide any evidence which woud stand up in a court of law.

          • unsol

            Ah no, the original issue is that pertaining to the 2 murderous men vs the Quran

            In terms of the State of Palestine – prove it isn’t so…onus probandi shifts to you

          • mike

            I provided evidence, now refute that evidence.

          • mike

            I don’t doubt that Israeli soldiers may have over-reacted or committed war crimes… they have been at war since 1967 living under a constant threat of suicide and conventional attacks.

            This in no way condones any breaches of the Laws of Armed Conflict, and any such breaches should be investigated, and if found to be true then they should be prosecuted.

          • mike

            According to the United Nations weird standards, any person that spent TWO YEARS (!!!) in “Palestine” before 1948, with or without proof, is a “Palestinian”, as well as all the descendants of that person. Indeed, the PLO leaders eagerly demand the “right” of all Palestinians to come back to the land that they occupied before June 1967 c.e., but utterly reject to return back to the land where they lived only 50 years before, namely, in 1917 c.e. Why? Because if they agree to do so, they have to settle back in Iraq, Syria, Arabia, Libya, Egypt… and only a handful Arabs would remain in Israel (by Israel is intended the whole Land between the Yarden River and the Mediterranean Sea, plus the Golan region). It is thoroughly documented that the first inhabitants of Eretz Yisrael after some centuries were the Jewish pioneers, and not the Arabs so-called Palestinians.

          • onelaw4all

            “Yes… but, at some point individuality needs to be preserved. Lest we all end up the same.”

            Nonetheless, we have to follow the law of the land.
            How does that reconcile with Sharia?

        • Andy C

          Nonsense Euan, you are not required to *assimilate* whatsoever.

          The Oath Of Allegiance for NZ is:

          “I, [name], swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.”

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            Randy I suppose 50% is a pass mark?

            This is the version I found

            “I, [full name], swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her (or His) Majesty [specify the name of the reigning Sovereign, as thus: Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of New Zealand,] Her (or His) heirs and successors, according to law, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of New Zealand and fulfil my duties as a New Zealand citizen.

            So help me God.”[1]:

            I stand by my earlier post.

          • Andy C

            Maybe, one is the oath of allegiance, the other is the oath of citizenship. Perhaps I should have guessed you meant the later, I’ll claim my bad for it.

            But it doesn’t change my point that it in no way requires assimilation.

          • Cadwallader

            “fulfil m duties as a citizen” suggests assimilation to e.

          • mike

            Just like the treaty…

      • Donovan Jackson

        As a relatively recent immigrant, I think it is absolutely essential to assimilate. I don’t want to just live here, I want to be a part of the community and the country. I don’t want to create ‘mini-SA in New Zealand’ (like a lot of my countrymen fucking annoyingly do).

      • Travis Poulson

        For all the downvotes people have given you, they still don’t seem to understand assimilation is not a condition of immigration, despite how people feel about it, or how they think it SHOULD be. How it SHOULD be and how it IS are 2 different things.

        Slow thinking people haven’t quite picked up that your comment was from a legal standpoint, not a moral one.

      • onelaw4all

        It is a condition of maintaining the civil society.
        Unfortunately not a codified legal requirement.

      • IWantToBeLikeMallardOneDay

        I don’t know why they don’t seem to be able to grasp why all of the nice places they go to turn to shit the moment they arrive…

  • Andy

    This video is getting very close to incitement to violence. At least that is my reaction to these “people”

  • Donovan Jackson

    Until humanity moves on from religion, we remain a very primitive species.

    • manuka416

      It’s more primitive, ignorant cultures that are to be blamed.

      • Donovan Jackson

        I’d find it hard to complain about muslims without complaining about all other religions too. I see nothing sophisticated, for example, in the concept of eating flesh and drinking blood, or in smiting of any kind.

        • Random66

          So you would complain about what the Sallies are up to today and others like them? I don’t see the Muslims contributing to the community like many Christians do.

        • unsol

          I agree in that it is unfair to target these guys purely based on their faith. It is not their faith that is the problem per se, but more the fact that they are extremists within it.

          History shows us that Christians – again extremists – have been responsible for many heinous crimes that are far removed from the teachings of Christ.

          • Donovan Jackson

            Thanks Unsol. I didn’t think it was necessary to point out the obvious, but sometimes it is necessary to point out the obvious.

          • unsol

            And even when the obvious is pointed out it still doesn’t seem to be obvious to some; in other words, arguing with a fool merely makes too.

            You will win the war – righteousness always prevails, but you won’t win battles such as this.

            Christianity is the preferred religion on this blog so many respondents have very thick blinkers on, missing the point of course that they are often part of the problem, not the solution.

          • Donovan Jackson

            Religion, more specifically christianity, tends to be a gaping blind spot for the right. Just as well, otherwise it would be a perfect political position, and as we know, only allah is perfect heheheh.

          • unsol

            Haha so naughty putting Christianity & Allah in the same sentence! Careful they string you up with piano wire if you’re not careful :-)

          • johnbronkhorst

            and for me???? as a non hating atheist?
            You are FREE to practice or not practice religion, as you see fit.
            BUT it is still abhorent to listen to people like this!!!
            As an atheist I will use the Bible as a reference book.
            It says blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
            It DOES NOT say, blessed are the excuse makers….”
            The worst people here are the ones that say “I don’t condone what they did, BUT I can understand it” (ie excuse makers)
            If I ever say, I can understand why someone murdered some else, you have my permission to shoot me!!!!

          • unsol

            I said it was the preferred religion – not that every commentator was Christian. In fact I would say none are. No one is making excuses for the murderers; this is about using ones brain to differentiate between the actions of extremists & the core values of a faith.

            Christians are appalling human beings if history & also the comments on here are anything to go by. Doesn’t mean to say that there is anything wrong with the faith.

            Likewise with Islam, Buddhism, Atheism etc.

            Whatever floats your boat is fine by me so long as you 1) to dictate your views to others, 2) walk the talk 3) don’t kill, judge, condemn, hurt people in the name of your faith.

          • johnbronkhorst

            and yet the Christian Americans give more to international charities than the rest of the world combined!

          • unsol

            That’s what I mean – does all their good outweigh/compensate all the bad they have done & continue to do?

            I wonder what the atonement ratio is….

          • johnbronkhorst

            Don’t be a pratt!!!!

          • unsol

            It was a genuine question – you are on FIRE today john boy! why is this the issue you get so worked up over? Do you live in chowick I mean Howick?

          • johnbronkhorst

            Close!

            I also understand that it is soldiers that protect our freedom. I understand that EVERY citizen has the right be and do as they see fit, provided that doesn’t interfere with anyone else’s right to do the same.

            These wankers (that killed that soldier) had the right to live, work worship, go and do ANYTHING they pleased, within British law. BUT so did this soldier!!!!!! They took away his rights, to bring up his family, to act and do as he pleased, no more and no less than them!!!
            Hence why I believe in the death penalty. We take away YOUR rights in full measure as to the rights you took away from someone else!!!

          • Nechtan

            Shit yeah!! Totally agree.

          • unsol

            I’m not sure on the death penalty – like it in theory (e.g robber shoots at cop, cop shoots back & kills), but the sticking points are what if an innocent person gets convicted (“It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer” – based on the Bible too!) & secondly, who is going to flick the switch/fire the gun/administer the injection?

            I thought you could have a room in prison that was a death cell where lethal gas could be administered – say have dummy switches outside every cell with no one knowing which one was the kill switch. But then it would become apparent when the morgue guys turned up so I don’t know.

            It would certainly save us a bit of money & a few lives re bail/reoffending!

          • johnbronkhorst

            “what if an innocent person gets convicted ”
            Been the excuse for all the anti capital punishment people for YEARS! But ask them to name say 5 cases where this has happened in the last 100 years of capital punishment in NZ and they can’t! This day and age with DNA etc, absolute proof (not reasonable doubt) would need to be the measure of conviction to bring in the death penalty. The error rate would be NIL!!

          • unsol

            Yep that may be so with DNA etc, but what about the other? Who is going to turn the lights out? You? Are you happy to do it?

          • johnbronkhorst

            I am happy for it to be done on my behalf which is the same thing!!!
            eg NZ govt. sent soldiers to Vietnam!!!
            Really since WE the citizens elected the govt., is was US that sent them!!!!
            We are NOT separate from our govt. we are our govt. and must take COLLECTIVE responsibility for this!

          • unsol

            No it is not the same thing. You need to say you are prepared to do it & since you used the war analogy, just the same as you would be prepared to go overseas & kill people.

            If you are not prepared to ever pull a trigger yourself then you probably shouldn’t be advocating for others to do it.

          • johnbronkhorst

            You are wrong. This is EXACTLY why we have govt.’s to REPRESENT us. This is why your VOTE is so important. It is irrelevant to ask if I personally would do it (for a definitive answer, I would, BUT it is NOT an occupation I would choose for myself)

          • Contractor

            After giving you shit the other day I’ll be the first to admit that you’ve proved me wrong via pretty much every comment you’ve made on this thread. Particularly this one.

          • unsol

            Shit stirrers are good fun & with an alias like contractor I’m never going to mind you (self-employed)

            Not sure what you mean re proving you wrong though?

          • unsol

            If you are meaning asking for down voters to explain themselves – I’ve rarely ever done that. Doesn’t mean that I don’t think they are illiterate cowards – cowards who are unable to string a good sentence, let alone an argument, together though..

            I also know who they are – easy enough to work out.

            Shit stirrers can be good fun…

          • Contractor

            In answer to your other post…proving me wrong?my opinion of yours. Sorry though, contractor, as in private military contractor,so not really self employed, in fact spent my whole working life in military so govt employed, then as a contractor paid by the govt, albeit the US one. Having completed and currently completing papers in some of this stuff, but more importantly real world find myself agreeing with every comment you’ve made.A beacon of common sense? It’s not that common unfortunately. But I enjoy your reasoning. Alright enough sycophanting…..

          • unsol

            Cheers for that, much appreciated. Sounds like you have an interesting job. Real world – that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it. That and important tools like critical thinking whereby one asks questions not because they know the answer, but because they are always seeking to further their knowledge. Sadly on blogs it is more often than not about one liners & sanctimony. Each time I take the opposing side I very rarely get arguments that are articulated well, let alone substantiated, in return.

          • blokeintakapuna

            Comment of the day!

          • OT Richter

            Guilt and disposable income.

          • johnbronkhorst

            Really??? All of them???
            What guilt??

          • onelaw4all

            I think OT is referring to White Liberal Guilt” (hopefully not a projection on his part) which of course wouldn’t apply, as the people John is referring to are handing over their OWN money.

          • LesleyNZ

            And Christians know they are appalling human beings – they know they are sinful. That is why they know the need for Jesus Christ in their hearts.

          • unsol

            Some not all; they claim to know this & then use this knowledge to not better themselves, but to judge others. Which probably means they are better off being atheist.

          • unsol

            Oh and I am often of the view where I can understand why people may end up in the position of doing awful things, but don’t condone it or them using their circumstances to justify their actions.

            Empathy is not excusing the behaviour. Such an assumption implies a lack of life lived, a lack of knowledge of what hell some people go through. Understanding is not the same as giving someone a free pass. It merely helps everyone to know what the triggers are for such behaviour; can’t change what you don’t acknowledge. And sitting inside ones gated community behind their white picket fence does not teach you anything.

          • LesleyNZ

            Therefore they are not true born again Christians. I have some lovely Muslim friends who would be totally against the evilness these guys espouse. Ask these guys what the Koran teaches – they probably haven’t a clue.

          • unsol

            I agree

          • onelaw4all

            Not in recent history, and not statistically significant compared to the putative “religion of peace”.

          • unsol

            So you exclude Jews from the Christian faith then?

          • LesleyNZ

            Unless they are Christian Jews (Jews who have accepted Jesus Christ as their saviour) then Jews are not Christian – their religion is Judaism.

          • unsol

            Yes I am aware of that, but many regard both as one & the same.

            But either way there are plenty of examples of Christians committing heinous crimes in recent history: Anders Behring Breivik, the bombing of abortion clinics or murders of those who work there by those who were AOG, Catholic or even Presbytarian & the case of Jim D. Adkisson who walked into the “Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church with 76 rounds and a shot-gun, he killed 2 people and was charged with murder”. He claimed his motive was “he hated the liberal movement” and was upset with “liberals in general as well as gays.”

            Hence such terms as the “Tory Taliban”….

          • LesleyNZ

            They are not Christians. They might think they are and they might be labelled as Christians – but they are not.

          • unsol

            I agree. Problem is Lesley few people who call themselves Christians re in fact anything but. Hence why the actions of muslim extremists should not be an indictment on the muslim faith.

          • onelaw4all

            Except, of course they are following the Koran faithfully…

          • unsol

            No they are not.

          • onelaw4all

            I can give you 100s of examples that can be justified through the conventional interpretation of the Koran.

            Care to play?

          • unsol

            Mmmmm tempting – I enjoy a good game and you dear onelawforallunlessyouhaveadifferent faith are almost intriguing. Question is how well versed are you really? Scholars have written a lot on this subject. What you call orthodox others call misinterpretation as it misses the context re little important pieces of history like the peace treaty of Hudaybiyah that was signed between the “Idolaters of Quraysh”. it’s a bit like Christians and their views on gay relationships. Which is also a misinterpretation.

            Oh and it is the Quran. Not the Koran……

          • onelaw4all

            Both Koran and Quran (sic) are accepted terms, but since all of the previous references have been the former I followed suit so as not to lose anyone, but feel free to accept your 10 bonus points of pedantry, only of course if you award me with 20 points for the correct version: The Qu’ran ;]

            “What you call orthodox others call misinterpretation as it misses the context re little important pieces of history like the peace treaty of Hudaybiyah that was signed between the “Idolaters of Quraysh yada yada”

            Nice unlinked google/paste, but you have fallen for what I made reference to previously, namely Taqiyya.

            Maybe after you google that in relation to passage supercession/supremacy vis a vis the Qur’an, then we can start to talk.

            Consider it your homework assignment.

            Here endeth the lesson.

          • unsol

            I am not sure you could have bitten off the bait by harder

            But when quoting at least try & do so correctly – I don’t use non words so your quotation marks should have ended before your juvenile ad lib.

            And while your reply was a lovely dainty side step, it was hardly a substantive retort.

            Clearly your call for a game was merely bluffing….

          • onelaw4all

            Clearly not, QED.

            How’s that homework coming along?

          • unsol

            Oh dear. Poorly played. Another side step. & inference to an academic grasp on the topic at hand yet still no argument put forward.

            Check mate. Too easy. Good luck next time.

          • onelaw4all
          • unsol

            Calling me a liberal is not an argument; you need to do your homework newbie.

          • onelaw4all

            Bad troll is bad.

            I’m not feeding it any more.

          • unsol

            A troll is someone who goes onto a blog, sparks chatter but fails to substantiate anything

            If the shoe fits newbie then so be it – next time, play the game a little better & you never know, you might actually learn something.

          • onelaw4all

            It wasn’t an ad hominem, as you are clearly trolling, you hinted as much when you mentioned “taking the bait” earlier on.

            You can’t begin to debate with me about Qur’an passages until you are conversent with the concept of the use of taqiyya in conjunction with passage supercession, which is essential to any debate we could have regarding justification of what we consider immoral/illegal acts justified in the eyes of adherents of the Qur’an.

            Since you seem to display no knowledge of this, or are just ignoring it, I was assuming you are a troll, till proven otherwise.

          • unsol

            The topic has closed. You didn’t address the initial part of the debate so I saw no point in discussing it or your comments further.

            Now since you are here, care to declare whether your alias pertains to the one law for all movement? I’m sure I read somewhere that there was even talk of a new political party?

          • unsol

            Disappointing – you said you wanted to play yet have failed to substantiate your claim that these men were adhering to the Quran when they murdered the soldier.

            You made the claim thus the burden of prove lies with you; so far all you’ve done is tell me you’re a young idealist fresh out of rel 101.

          • onelaw4all

            Actually, the only “playing” that was being done was your attempt at google/pasting some random discussion points which had no bearing on my post, and I note you still seem to have no idea what I was talking about regarding Taqiyya/supercession. So you are already “playing” with a handicap.

            As to my “burden of prove” (sic) , I can start you off with an easy one: honor killings are justified by Qur’an 4:34.

            How many of those would you say have been committed in the last decade or two? i.e “recent history”

            Young idealist? LOL.
            I’m going with seasoned realist.

          • unsol

            “LOL”? Case and point.

            Assumptions show your inability to argue effectively; you assume google yet fail to address other sides of the scholarly debate.

            To me that indicates you are not worth the effort re any merit you might offer in your comment.

          • mike

            109 Verses in the Quran call Muslims to war with non-believers http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

          • unsol

            Hmmm not really the scholarly debate I am looking for; there is massive debate on both sides of this (re whether the Quran directs people to kill non believers in the name of Allah), so my point is that the problem with men like those in this story is that they were religious extremists as opposed to Muslims

          • mike

            “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah”
            Quran 8:39

            “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
            Quran 9:29

            “Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,”
            Quran 47:3-4

            Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
            Bukhari 52:177

            There are lots more if you want more examples

          • unsol

            I am very familiar with the verses thanks – scholarly arguments contextualise them differently to the literal interpretations some people accept/adhere to.

            Just the same as not everyone takes the Bible literally, that it is but a reference in many ways re the historical background that the scriptures pertain to.

          • mike

            You are correct the OT isn’t followed to the letter by any significant portion of Christianity or Judaism…

            However a significant portion of Islam does follow the Quran to the letter.

          • unsol

            Yet most muslims don’t go around chopping off the heads of non believers

          • mike

            Never said most did… I did state that a significant portion of Islam did follow the letter of the Quran, hence Sharia law which endorses some rather barbaric punishments and behaviour.

          • unsol

            So put a number on significant then – how many?

          • mike

            How many people are in the following organisations:

            Muslim Brotherhood
            Hamas
            Al-Shabaab
            Boko Haram
            Ansar Dine
            Ansar al-Sharia
            Al Queda (and associates)

          • unsol

            That is not an answer. I asked for a number.

          • mike

            You have asked for a answer that is impossible to give… it’s like asking how many people in the world have brown hair and blue eyes.
            I could possibly find statisical data that shows a certain percentage that does follow the creed to the letter, but I’m sure you wouldn’t be happy with that.
            I have given examples of existing organisations (memberships are unknown) that hold this view to be true and will gladly murder you me or anyone else on this blog on the spot, and quite happily film it for the world to see. There are many more organisations not listed… do you want those as well?

          • unsol

            Statistics of such people vs those in the West including the USA Army & anyone who supports their fight for so-called freedom (oil) will suffice…

          • mike

            Don’t sully soldiers in that manner, no soldier will claim that they are in Afghan fighting for freedom or liberty, they are there fighting for their mates or trying to make a difference.
            Policitian decide what wars to fight… soldiers have a duty to carry out the lawful orders of their Government. Any attempt by you to degrade or denigrate that duty is shameful.

          • unsol

            They are there fighting for their mates? You think that is a higher honour than fighting for freedom? Or is it that you think soldiers are lapdogs devoid of independent thinking? They are killing people they have never met & unlikely to ever meet – one would hope that they have a better reason than that.

            I have no issue with the work NZ soldiers as they always go in after the fact with their mandate being to establish & maintain peace including rebuilding destroyed areas & removing mines.

            But the USA on the other hand – different story altogether.

            And you have not provided statistics.

          • onelaw4all

            They prefer the “quiet life”

          • onelaw4all

            “So you exclude Jews from the Christian faith then?”

            I don’t, but I suspect most Jews do themselves: but what has that got to with the topic?

            Re Breivik: So you have given one example of someone who called themselves a Christian performing acts that have nothing to do with Christianity. OK?

            Versus 1000s of examples of terrorists/murderers who have followed the Koran faithfully.

            Hence my statement from my previous post.

          • unsol

            Breivik is one example of thousands since time began, including those who have killed to protect the unborn child. Those Christians were following their little fairytale book too.

            Seems to me that your one law for all is a little inconsistent….

          • onelaw4all

            Not interested in “since time began”
            Try reading what I said again:

            Not in recent history, and not statistically significant compared to the putative “religion of peace”.

            Or to state it in quick and rough fashion: dozens versus 1000’s.

            Seems your reading comprehension is the only thing inconsistent…

          • LesleyNZ

            Jews don’t believe the Messiah has come yet to earth. They don’t believe in the New Testament or in Jesus Christ so they can not be called Christian. Christian means “follower of Christ”.

          • mike

            Unsol, every Theist will tell you that the big 3 monitheistic religions are distinctly different…
            Jews
            Christians
            Muslims

          • unsol

            Different but the same – they believe in one more god than hat many others believe in and further, are known to carry out atrocities in the name of that god…

          • mike

            All religions have people who carry out atrocities in their God’s name… so while all religions could be lumped together it shows a remarkable amount of intolerance and ignorance.

            And for reference I am an Atheist… but it pays to know who and what you are arguing against.

          • unsol

            Seems to me you’ve jumped into this half-cocked; it appears we are on the same page where religion is concerned.

          • mike

            While we may agree that organised religion is wrong, it is also wrong to not understand the differences between the religions you are rallying against.

          • unsol

            There you go making assumptions & getting sidetracked.

            The topic is this: does the Quran directly instruct Muslims to murder non believers? If so what are the scholarly arguments that support this?

            The only reason why the issue of the Bible vs the actions of Christians & Jews is concerned is because just like Muslims & the Quran, despite the Bible directly sanctioning barbaric acts, only extremists take every word literally.

        • onelaw4all

          Don’t fall into the moral equivalency trap that the Statists depend on.

          • Donovan Jackson

            Show me a religion and I’ll show you a fanatic (or a whole lot of them).

            In some ways, the fanatics are the more sincere of the lot – regardless of which religion they follow. EDIT – that was sposed to be in reply to OneLaw4All.

          • onelaw4all

            The key is not to equate the ones that have A fanatic to the one that has (as you say) “a whole lot of them”, especially if the one that has “a whole lot of them” is the orthodoxy of that religion.

          • Donovan Jackson

            Agreed. Just to clarify – you talking about christianity or islam when you refer to this orthodoxy? Both of these major religions have more than their fair share of fundies/fanatics.

      • Lion_ess

        You can’t be serious? Here’s a list of wars involving the US for you to peruse, it’s their primary industry – invading other countries, destablizing their governments all in the name of democracy to ensure American citizens can enjoy their freedoms. (Don’t spit your coffee all over the keyboard, either).
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

        • mike

          Ok, so US has been involved in wars since 1771 to present…

          Muslims ( I know very Generic but referring in this case to the Arabian Empire) was at war from 634 till about 1800…

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests

          By my count thats less than 300 years compared to about 1200… yep America is such a war mongering nation. History is such a bitch.

  • Rangi

    Winston isn’t infecting the National Party already is he??

    • GazzW

      Eh?

    • OT Richter

      Miss your meds this morning Rangi? Come back when you can tell the difference between shit and chewed dates.

      • Rangi

        I think if you wanted to distance yourself from religious nutters then Colin Craig is off the list for a viable coalition partner, Act has been in long-time self destruction mode, United Future is…well United Future…Maori Party not so reliable with their vote – who’s next, gotta be NZ1st which means JK eating a shit sandwich to get Winnies support (Winnie will give it willingly, he just likes watching people squirm). This heated, foreign culture bashing stuff is Winnies bread & butter.

        Which all means releasing side shows like this in the media via a willing tool, Whale is that tool, just don’t be surprised to see more of this low brow bullshit in accord with indoctrinating National’s grassroots to Winnie’s stratagem.

        The salient point is, friend or enemy, Winnie is an enemy! Helen had the right idea. Make him M of foreign affairs – can’t stir shit if you’re always overseas.

        • johnbronkhorst

          Warped political logic in an attempt to suggest that National should just step aside from the EXCELLENT job they are doing to allow a coalition of losers to take over!!!!

          • Rangi

            Nope, wrong, for a start, I never suggest anything – its always explicit. You just got it wrong in your haste. Have another go.

        • Whafe

          Rangi, fuck off if you are going to derail a thread…. This thread / topis is not about what you are spouting on about. Do it in the appropriate forum hey

          • Rangi

            Chill mate – just an observation, you are aware there are 359 other degrees (in a flat plane) you could be diverting your attention. Nobodies forcing you to read, or comment for that matter…

          • Whafe

            I am as cool as a cucumber, like a whole lotta fonzies…..
            It is a bit like table manners really, not good to fly off on a totally different tangent in a thread….

          • Rangi

            Respect…I’ll refrain

          • LesleyNZ

            I think you are on the wrong post Rangi.

  • tarkwin

    Stop paying welfare to new immigrants. That is why England is full of these wankers.

    • unsol

      And NZ – if they are not resident they still quality for the emergency benefit

      But worse than that we have an open door for some immigrants (pacific quota schemes)

      If we closed this our welfare bill would no doubt halve.

      Plus it is not like the PIs are any better off here – cant see how they could be if they just end up in the slums on a benefit.

  • LesleyNZ

    Evil. That is the devil talking. No heart no compassion. They need Jesus Christ in their lives not Allah. They do not deserve to live in Australia.

    • Donovan Jackson

      You need god/jesus/the holy spigot to have the devil, too. One doesn’t work without the other.

      • LesleyNZ

        Yes without evil there would be no good. Good is the measurement for evil.

        • Travis Poulson

          Poorly cooked chicken is the root of all evil.

          • LesleyNZ

            Did you have poorly cooked chicken tonight?

          • Travis Poulson

            A week ago, hence the campylobacter poisoning.

          • LesleyNZ

            No good. Sorry to hear this Travis.

    • Bunswalla

      Lesley there’s no such thing as evil, the devil, or magic guys in the sky of any hue. You’re an intelligent person. You know this on a fundamental level. Your insistence otherwise puts you on the same path – albeit 1,000 miles away – as all religious nutters. Think about it – we wouldn’t even be having this conversation if the morons in the video weren’t sucked into their bullshit religion. But yours is no less bullshit.

      Heart and compassion is required by everyone for everyone, I’ll give you that. But mate, leave the hocus-pocus out of it, can you? It has no place in rational intelligent debate.

      • Donovan Jackson

        Quite. As someone smarter than me (and there are a lot that fit this description) once said to a christian, as an atheist, I just believe in one less god than you do.

  • johnbronkhorst

    If you emigrate to a country, you MUST (and we I suppose) ask….WHY. Whether you are a refugee, or a normal immigrant, you left “your” country for a reason….so why are you trying to turn my country into “your ” country…..if you hated it that much, as to leave, surely when you succeed and turn “MY” country into “YOUR” country, like a disease you will move on and spread into and repeat the process in another country. It is YOU who are the problem!!!!
    Assimilate into our culture, part of which is to allow you the FREEDOM to be you, NOT the freedom to change ME.

    • richard.b

      Best statement I have ever heard on this subject.

      “Assimilate into our culture, part of which is to allow you the FREEDOM to be you, NOT the freedom to change ME”

    • spollyike

      That’s gold!

    • johnbronkhorst

      There must be a rider on this. It is a double edged sword. We Kiwi’s when emigrating to other countries, should behave accordingly!!
      Extreme example……Emigrate to Saudi Arabia, don’t expect sympathy if you get caught drinking booze!!!

      • tarkwin

        That’s the funny part there John, if we went to a Muslim country we wouldn’t dream of drinking or gambling and we would dress appropriately. These people have no intention of abiding by our rules to do that would show respect. At the end of the day it’s more about money than anything else, I can’t help but wonder if religion is a Trojan horse in some of these cases. As a disclaimer, there is no way I would go to a country where you can’t drink, ogle and gamble – that would be totally uncivillised.

    • Bunswalla

      But JB I really like going to Noodle Alley over the back of K Rd and having my choice of beautiful ethnic food – Thai, Malaysian, Korean, Chinese, Japanese etc. It’s cheap and delicious, the people are friendly even though a number of them don’t speak any English.

      Why should we be denied the benefits of all the different countries and cultures whose citizens have come here? They bring so much more than just food and New Zealand is a better place for it – I’m convinced of that. I don’t want them to turn themselves into something they’re not, and I’m pretty sure 99% think the same way.

      What we really don’t like is religious nutters of any description, wherever they are in the world. Any idiot that says it’s OK to kill someone in the name of an imaginary friend (or in the name of oil, or political ambition, or greed) is equally unwelcome. It isn’t their religion per se, it’s that religion exists, and it’s been fucking up the world for centuries.

      • unsol

        Well said; just because one is not a murdering fundamentalist or extremist doesn’t mean that ones claim to a particular faith has any more validity.

        Further even if say there was one true faith the reality is humans are flawed so they are always going screw it up & undermine the very values they claim to live by.

        People love to claim how western countries are built on the principles of Christianity. Looking at where they are now & the harm they have inflicted on others in the name of faith, freedom or progress I fail to see how that is a good thing.

        Religion seems to bring out the inner arsehole rather than the inner good.

  • Andy

    This is the price we pay for our “progressive tolerant society” Enoch Powell must be turning in his grave

  • Euan Ross-Taylor

    I wonder if we are in too much of a hurry to accept naturalisation? Should new immigrants rather have a longer immigration visa whereby they and their offspring can be truly evaluated for assimilation/allegiance to the host country. In cases of muslims, maybe there should be a clear understanding that a persons religious views will not be allowed to ‘adversely’ affect the lives of other citizens. I can see a time fast approaching where the possibility of extremist views will need to be taken more into account when offering citizenship.

  • Muffin

    Its beyond me why we actually have immigration anyway. Lets remain a lower populated paradise, would involve cutting the DPB but why the big rush to drive up the population? especially when this is the calibre of new entrants.

    • johnbronkhorst

      Except….we are a country of immigrants! Go back several hundred years and the Moa would have been stamping your passport!

      • unsol

        Moa – haha!

    • Donovan Jackson

      Aw, c’mon Muffin, you know you wouldn’t want to miss out on awesome folks like me aye :).

  • Gulag

    Most of these people are on some kind of government benefit. 40% of Denmarks social welfare budget goes to Moslems who make up 4% of the total population.

  • rockape

    Every so often , just to remind myself there were honest politicians I google Enoch Powells Rivers of Blood speech.

    • Donovan Jackson

      Prescient ole Enoch sure didn’t endear himself to the Left, that’s for damn sure ;-).

  • Nechtan

    Surely these clowns have been indoctrinated by some Imam, judging by their answers “cause they’re bombing and raping our women”. Bombing maybe in a few cases (but unintentional) but raping?? That’s right out of the hate the west handbook.
    Religion of Peace?… my arse.

  • Justsayn

    She was winding them up and they were winding her up back – so what is the lesson? The media and religious fundamentalists share a common ability for stupidity? Hardly news.

    • LesleyNZ

      No she wasn’t winding them up – she was asking them to justify a statement they made. This lady is good journalist/reporter.

      • Justsayn

        Why do you think she went there in the first place? Why do you think she selected a group of young males to talk to?

        She got exactly what she wanted, and so did they.

        • 4077th

          Spot on!

  • rockape

    A good test would be . If you are a NZ citizen what would you do if conscripted into the army and sent overseas to fight for NZ?

  • Never in the dark…..

    As my Dad used to say, “thick as two short planks”.

    The guy in the white hoodie claims to be Australian born.

    There is no valid (in the 21st century) rationale in their attitude. “He’s a dog”, can’t explain how or why. I was going to say that the scum have been brainwashed, but then that’d imply there’s a brain involved.

  • Phil

    These maggots have raped their home countries with a culture and religion that if allowed to be applied here will only end up doing the same.

    • Justsayn

      I suspect “these maggots” were born and raised in Aussie – it is their home country. I doubt they have done anything to anyone apart from some hatred based words and holding a retarded view on life (read the comments on this post and think pots and kettles).

      If the reporter was trying to do anything more than improve her shows ratings (which I for one strongly doubt) that might have been the point she was making – that the more extreme religious views are spreading independant from immigration.

  • redeye

    From this time forward, under God,
    I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
    whose democratic beliefs I share,
    whose rights and liberties I respect, and
    whose laws I will uphold and obey.

    This is the citizenship pledge in Australia, The God bit is optional.

    What is not optional is the loyalty to Australia and it’s people. If these guys were born in Australia they are still bound by these principals.

    Treason?

    • Rangi

      No – they try to bend existing principles to suit their ways. I would say religion is not a huge feature in Ozzy culture (guess) which probably is a good opportunity for religious nutters to expand following using promises of a better life (alot like politicians).

      All religions are guilty of spreading love and hate. People are the real issue – If you could convince the existing population that any introduced religion (lie) is inferior to the existing (lie), these wankers would always be the small minority & you should not have a problem.

  • Not Mark Richardson

    religion and culture are the bane of modern existence

    • caleb

      You mean PC and progressivism and the disregard for Christian religion and culture are the bane of modern existence

      • Not Mark Richardson

        no i don’t caleb

      • Not Mark Richardson

        no i don’t

        please feel free to disagree but don’t try and “correct” my/an opinion

        the only difference between christians and muslims is where they were born/indoctrinated

  • steve and monique

    Dangerous religion,full of fucking radical idiots. Mind you kiddie fuckers are worse.

  • Lion_ess

    What does religion have to do with this topic, it’s no more than a passport to justify stupidity anyway. Unfortunately for us, Western nations decided to let these stoneage cretins in – a likely part of the one-world/one government agenda. Get used to it, unfortunately the cork doesn’t go back on the bottle. Take a stroll around Lakemba, Auburn, Punchbowl – what a fucking nightmare, and worse, there’s more coming.

    • Justsayn

      How did this become an immigration story?

      I think they “got in” by a mummy nutter and a daddy nutter being nutter lovers and creating a little baby nutter. Same way we get our share of extreme christians.

      Surely someone with fundamentalist islamic views would prefer to stay in a fundamentalist islamic country. There might be some exceptions (always is) but I would expect that those that immigrate here have disproportionately more moderate religious views.

  • blokeintakapuna

    Eventually, there will only be the Muslims and the Chinese…

    • OT Richter

      and they will all have the good sense to stay away from Takapuna.

  • IWantToBeLikeMallardOneDay

    Labour wants their vote!

  • IWantToBeLikeMallardOneDay

    Camel jockeys. Go back to your basketcase countries.

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