Face of the day

“The real question is: is climate change influenced by man made climate change? The climate, the temperature has not changed in the last 17 years.” – UK Secretary of State for Environment Owen Paterson




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  • OT Richter

    I look out of my office window and struggle to believe that the grid-locked traffic, multitudes of rooftop mounted aircon units, major construction activities and general consumption of resources are not changing the climate in some way.

    The correct answer to Owen Paterson’s question is “yes”. The level of that influence is what’s hard to quantify.

    • Have a look what just one decent volcanic eruption does to the atmosphere. Go find out. And then have a look what higher or lower solar flare activity does to our weather. Complete your research with the effect of the earth being closer or further away from the sun in its non-circular orbit. Extra reading: Check what “climate change” has happened on other planets in the solar system.

      (not my downvote)

      • OT Richter

        I certainly agree that natural processes (the cycles of which we are yet to fully grasp) have a larger effect on the earth’s climate than man, but my point is that we must also be causing change to some level.

        I am to take it by the down votes that folks firmly believe
        that constantly pumping heat and pollution into the atmosphere has not even the slightest effect? Basic physics would suggest otherwise.

        • johnbronkhorst

          Then I suggest you go to school and learn some “basic physics”.

          • OT Richter

            Yawn, but congrats on a post without CAPS.

        • The sun has 98% of all matter in our solar system.

          Think about that for a minute. All the planets, rings, gasses, dust, etc… account for 2%

          If the sun so much as twitches…

          Before man, there were huge, uncontrolled wildfires.

          I can follow your reason argument that our existence must have, by definition, some effect.

          But to put that into perspective when compared to the sun, and nature (volcanoes, wildfires, etc), the last 20 years of AGW has been little more than hysteria.


          I, like many others, believed it too. Until one day I saw a news piece on a large piece of the Ross Ice shelf breaking off “due to global warming”. The temperature at that location was well below zero all year ’round. It made no sense to me to blame global warming. EVEN if it had gone from an average of -11 to -10.9, or even -5, if you want to be silly, that shelf piece breaking off had nothing to do with global warming. It caused me to look into it much deeper, and discovered most of it was “quality” information like that.

          Scientists are using models, using data collected from station s that they “adjust” for various factors before even putting into the model. And then they run the program and project an outcome.

          AGW is a computer model.

          We’ve all (well, not all) been running around being scared of a computer program.

          I predict that a few generations from now, they will laugh at us for this period in history, and will consider us to have lived in the Climatic Dark Ages.

          • OT Richter

            “I can follow your reasoned argument that our existence must have, by definition, some effect”.

            Thank you. That is the simple, unemotive point I’m trying to get across.

          • Kopua Cowboy

            this attitude is all too rare. someone buy this man a beer

    • kehua

      You are in the wrong job then, come to work with me for a day, unsealed roads ,country towns, millions of trees, vast areas of clean productive farming, sea views for Africa, get a drink of clear, cold water from any stream beside the road,,,, I could go on but you should have the picture by now. But wait there is more !!!!! all this only 45 minutes from Auckland CBD. This is reality not a computer model or a news clip. `There are none so blind as those that will not see.`

      • OT Richter

        …. plus belching tractors, trucks and dairy effluent in that stream of yours.

        Me changing job/location won’t change the fact that those man-made process are still going on. I suggest you move to the beach where there is more sand to bury your head in.

        • kehua

          OT, I guess it stands for “over the top“, you really do need to grow up and start thinking like an adult and not a wanker.

    • Donovan Jackson

      All that stuff being belched out came from somewhere…oh, wait, it came from (drum roll) the environment! Check out the carbon cycle. It’s not a bike ride ;-).

  • Patrick

    Oh well – onto the next environmental crisis. Global warming is yesterdays news now. Used to be global cooling, now global warming. The only consistent thread is the solutions proposed – tax the “rich pricks” more. Maybe that is because environmentalism is more about pushing socialism than any concerns for the environment.
    Wonder what the next crisis will be – gravitational pull lessening because of the amount of roads we are building anyone? We are all going to float off into space unless we rip up all the tarmac & concrete highways, crush the cars & return to riding mules. But if we tax (rich pricks) people more we will all be saved….

    • kehua

      Lack of sweating workers , depriving the sea of salt, resulting in the Oceans of the World dying.

      • Patrick

        We can run with that one – now how do we figure out how to tax the miscreants, after all that is how we fix the problem.

        • Whanga_Cynic

          Well, how about a tax on salt for a start, because obviously only rich pricks eat salt.

        • kehua

          Simple silly, remove gst from gym subsscriptions and exercise equipment, take evilcars off the road and turn the roads into jogging tracks and encourage the populace to eat hot curries, very hot curries. Change the saying `no sweat` to `more sweat` as endorsed by the new political party the Drips.

    • island time

      Global Warming is right up there with Y2K

    • Kopua Cowboy

      I suspect the next great crisis will be something to do with how “unhealthy” our sea is

  • IWantToBeLikeMallardOneDay

    I will tithe a portion of my future UN salary to this good man!