Queens Birthday General Debate

Welcome to the day on which we observe the Queen’s Birthday, even though she wasn’t born today.

I hope you paced yourself over the previous two General Debates, and have some energy left for another one.

Today does sort of suggest a Debate about making New Zealand a Republic by striking out on our own, or holding on to the Queen and all that history and tradition.

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  • Lofty

    My congrats to Sir Gordon, well deserved.

    NO REPUBLIC…….while Helen Clark is alive!

    On consideration no republic while any of the present load of duplicious, lying watermelon and labour freeloaders and societal manipulators are alive.

    Not to mention the odd National MP as above.

    Imagine President Peters…shudder.

  • Whafe

    The sense of self entitlement is rife in NZ, it is not the platform to move towards a republic by any means….

    Fair bit of fundamental shit to sort before NZ should even be having the discussion…

    Imagine a nation of people whom had a culture of self responsibility versus a nation of people as is now that have a culture of self entitlement….. It is no wonder we are in the state we are in…. (Which compared to many other countries is bliss, that alone doesnt make it right though)

  • Ronnie Chow

    May 9 “Labour’s Youth Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says that the nation’s youth unemployment rates are still far higher than the global average”

    Would I be wrong in saying that most unemployed youth have no skills or literacy , because they have been failed by Registered Left leaning school teachers .

    The only reason Christchurch still has 4.3% unemployment is because these useless people are the dregs .
    Time to create a new category ; Unemployable but not sick . And remove these people from the unemployment statistics .

    • spollyike

      To what extent is the level of youth unemployment reflected in the number of over 65’s still working? Introducing compulsory retirement at 65 may result in youth unemployment dropping to reflect the rest of the workforce.

      • LabTested

        In Greece they can start retiring at 55, & that has not really worked out for them. Why would you want to replace a experienced, productive 65 year old with a semi-literate 18 year old with a sense of entitlement & no work ethic.

        My 19 year old had 4 part-time jobs lasting entire summer university holidays. My 19 yr old nephew also worked all uni holidays & weekends. No student loan & has saved up & bought himself a car.

        There is work for those youth who want to work

        • Mediaan

          Ditto ditto. Some kids at Uni are also helping fund themselves by working up to five part-time jobs simultaneously. It takes a good attitude and parents who showed them how to do it.

        • Teachersrock

          Shhhhhh you will upset Ronnie throwing facts at him. He would rather blame us evil teachers.

          • Ronnie Chow

            You teach them and fail with so many . What’s up , bad parenting ?.
            Today’s youth unemployed are all your (schoolteachers) fault . That’s why the revolt is underway .

          • Teachersrock

            Actually that is a lie. We succeed most of the time.

            A truth your kind ignore.

          • Patrick

            You succeed by lowering the bar that measures success. That is failing.

          • Teachersrock

            Actually that is what the Government is trying to do so it appears that National Standards is working.

            You really should check out the mess they have made with STAR and EAsTTle.

          • Ronnie Chow

            Fact . Children leave school who cannot read . What were you doing with them for 10 years? Putting them into the ‘too hard basket ‘?

          • Teachersrock

            Fact, some have learning issues and will never be at an educated “normal” level. Again a truth people like you ignore because of your blind obedience to your ideology,

          • Ronnie Chow

            That directly contradicts Jacinda Adhern blaming the Government yesterday for not doing enough to train unemployed youth . Are you siding with Adhern or National ?

          • Teachersrock

            National are not doing enough to train unemployed youth. Just because you struggle with reading does not mean you cannot hold down a job.

          • johnbronkhorst

            As a teacher you should be ashamed of that statement!!
            After all how will they understand their collective union agreement (oh union bosses will explain it to them aftert hey agree to strike)
            How will they read their health and safety manuals.
            Terms and conditions of employment. ETC ETC

          • Teachersrock

            Oh good lord.

            No I am not ashamed of that statement. Because unlike the teacher hating idiots I know that not every child will reach the desirable mark, but they can still do a job.

          • rockape

            Yes teachers, the employment for those who cant hold down a proper job. If you cant do it teach it.

          • rockape

            So at what stage do you identify those who will fail and then boot them out of the education system. According to you their a waste of good money.

          • Teachersrock

            You don’t.

            You get them to the best that they can be. And I never said it was a waste of money to educate them. so please do not suggest I did. No education is a waste.

          • rockape

            there is always work for them in the Labour party. The home for teachers that cant teach and others that cant do a days work.

          • Teachersrock

            Because we all know how evil being educated is. Better to be a man of the earth than educated eh.

          • rockape

            Yes you can only teach if you have a teaching cert. Nothing else matters> Unless of course like my sister you have two degrees, speak seven languages to translator standard. Was a headmistress of a private girls public school. was director of education for the midlands in the UK and designed the UK National vocational qualification scheme in the UK. Later adopted as the NZQA scheme. Not a teaching qualification in sight.
            PS never been a man of the earth. Just amember of the second oldest proffesion, and thats not prostitute!

          • Teachersrock

            Yeaaaaaaaaa, but the UK system isn’t one we should look to.

            Oh and we have a lot of people like your sister in the NZ teaching profession.

          • johnbronkhorst

            no you don’t!!!!!

          • Teachersrock

            LMAO, whatever lets you close your little Tory eyes at night.

            The truth is different however.

          • GazzW

            Ronnie, in defence of teachers I don’t believe that illiteracy or innumeracy is anywhere near as bad as it was when I left school in the 60s. The difference then was that kids with reading and maths deficiencies were shovelled off into ‘technical’ streams (woodwork, metalwork & basic reading/writing/maths) or ‘homecraft’ streams (sewing, cooking and the basics). They left school in the middle of year 10 and went into apprenticeships which in those days only required basic maths or literacy skills. It was also a labour hungry job market. These days the trades require year 12 or even year 13 maths and more besides. The level of unskilled jobs is just not there any more – technology and cheap overseas imports have seen to that.

            It’s easy to blame the teachers – blame the unions if you must, they don’t even represent half of the younger generation of teachers. Social and employment conditions are equally to blame.

            Maybe charter schools to cater for this sector would help fix this problem.

          • Patrick

            The teachers hand over their hard earned money to their unions. If they were not happy with the direction the unions were taking education then they should cancel their memberships. Unfortunately not enough are doing this so it makes it difficult to agree with your statement above re blaming the unions.

          • Teachersrock

            Well that is a pure lie.

            I “hand over” $20 every 2 weeks. Hardly devastating to my pocket.

            And I agree, those teachers who disagree with the union should leave it.

          • johnbronkhorst

            What without the shunning and bullying that DOES occur!!!

          • Teachersrock

            I have yet to see that in any school that I have ever worked in. And yes I do hang out with teachers who are not in the union, and double gasp, I have told others who have bitched about the union to leave it if they are unhappy.

            You really should stop buying into the National party nonsense. You would be smarter for it.

          • Patrick

            So what part of what I said is a lie? Is it the “hard earned money” part? because you confirm the rest. Or the fact you reckon $20 isn’t much money? So either you don’t work hard for it or you are paid too much? Cock.

          • Teachersrock

            Yes I know you are a cock, no need to tell everyone else.

            $20 to me is not a lot of money. It is to others, but I am not in that category.

            And as for hard earned…. I doubt you could handle a day in a real classroom, as well as all the paperwork. But no doubt as yet another self appointed never been a teacher but an expert none the less individual, you will say otherwise.

          • GazzW

            Teachers don’t have to hand over their hard earned money Patrick because it isn’t compulsory to join and the majority of new teachers don’t despite the unions having the opportunity to indoctrinate them at uni. I haven’t heard of any staffroom pressure but that’s probably because non-union teachers are in the ascendancy at most schools. The NZEI & PPTA are getting increasingly coy about membership numbers.

          • Ronnie Chow

            That’s where I was getting to with Teachersrock , Gazzaw , to get him to acknowledge that there is a place for charter schools , especially to pick up the “some have learning issues and will never be at an educated “normal” level.” that schoolteachers cannot educate .
            There is indeed a lack of jobs for stupid people , and this corresponds with an increase in the numbers of stupid people . These are the ones who can’t even wait on a table , be presentable or take and understand orders . They will never have jobs for any length of time . And we are stuck with them .

          • Teachersrock

            There is no place for CS in NZ.

          • johnbronkhorst

            There is every place for it if we can get rid of incompetent teacher, if nothing else!

          • Teachersrock

            Incompetent teachers will be able to fill the CS’s. Nice and cheap employees. All the better for making a profit off of kiddies.

          • rockape

            The problem for teachers is the best will go to the charter schools. That has been seen elsewere. Not all good teachers are qualified.

          • Teachersrock

            LOL, you keep thinking that.

            The cheapest will go to CS. Not the best.

          • johnbronkhorst

            No the experience is that CS’s won’t have them and they stay in public schools stinking the place up!!

          • Teachersrock

            Given the failure of CS around the world, your comment does not seem to hold water.

          • rockape

            Why not.

          • GazzW

            Yes we are stuck with them Ronnie. They can’t wait on tables either – you need to go visit the Piko Restaurant at AUT and experience the service and cuisine from the wholly student staff. There’s no way unqualified people can even get a decent job waitering these days.

            It’s a massive social problem and its a worldwide one.

        • Patrick

          Greece had a wee bit of an issue though – nobody paid tax.

      • rockape

        At least that would rid us of Winston Peters. However it would also remove a major freedom, the freedom to work. My father worked till he was 86 ,didnt have to just loved what he did. Retirment is the last stage before death, delay it as long as you can.

        • Patrick

          If retirement at 65 was introduced you can bet your last dollar politicians would exclude themselves – no way would they cut themselves off from the trough. Think of another way of kneecapping Peters. Pity the MSM do not hold him to account for his lying, corrupt dishonest ways.

          • Teachersrock

            Given today’s medical marvels, increasing lifespans and what not, I personally believe 70 is the age that the pension should kick in.

            Yes people can retire earlier if they want to, but given how active most people are and medically fit most are, having a retirement age in the 60’s is last century thinking.

            My grandfather was forced to retire at 60, he then spent the next 15 years chopping firewood, going on long haul trucking, delivering junk mail (walking for up to 5 hours a day, starting at about 7.30am of a morning) on top of all the work around the house and being a caretaker. There are many men out there like that. They do not want to retire but are almost forced to by the state.

            Both Labour and National need to grow some balls and take this on, and NOT be bullied by the Maori Party or the Greens.

          • Dion

            Agreed. But imagine the outcry from the left if National did this.

          • Teachersrock

            Nationals own supporters are none to keen on the idea either.

            What would be perfect is if National and Labour came out together and said..”This is what is happening, and we both agree”.

          • Ronnie Chow

            Then Labor would have to agree that National is doing the best job possible under difficult circumstances .

          • Teachersrock

            Well given they are not, they cannot really.

          • rockape

            How do you feel about means tested pensions . A rich teacher like you could surely give up your state pension to help thos e more in need. After all a pensioner can live on $536 a fortnight,why should you have more.

          • rockape

            Yes I agree, a good system is the graduate pensions as in the UK. You can retire early on a lesser pension or later and get an enhanced pension. Many, and I include myself at age 66 can out work many half my age. I still run 100Km a week and work my mini farm.Most at my age are still active, most of my friends including some 70 plus ,mountain walk, sail, play tennis, golf etc. Its true 70 is the new 50.

          • johnbronkhorst

            NO raising the retirement age is the cowards way out of the costs of a Temporary population bubble. Time to see retirement as a reward for building the society that the rest of us have come to rely on.
            40-45 years working life is (provided that is what you do) is enough. Reward as to your contribution in that time…ie work and you get the full pension don’t and you get progressively less. Save over and above this and it is yours to keep (after all, you went without during your life to save for a better retirement.)

          • Teachersrock

            Raising the age has nothing to do with the population bubble. It has to do with reflecting the medical realities of the modern era.

          • johnbronkhorst

            Bullshit…..it is about the MONEY!!

          • Teachersrock

            Only to the small minded.

          • rockape

            Not in Labours mind. Dont you remeber all the talk from Labour was that the pension was UNAFFORDABLE, I dont remember once them saying it was just because we are all healthier. Do you just make things up as you go along?

          • Teachersrock

            Unlike the National party, no I do not make it up as I go along.

          • johnbronkhorst

            yes you do!!!

          • Teachersrock

            Think what you like. It won’t make it any closer to truth.

          • rockape

            Answer the above point re Labour saying it was unaffordable and I still wont take you seriously.

          • Teachersrock

            So what would be the point in discussing it with you anymore?

            None, because of your closed mind, so ta ta sonny.

          • Hazards001

            “Raising the age has nothing to do with the population bubble. It has to do with reflecting the medical realities of the modern era.”

            Sez the school teacher…come back to me about raising retirement when you spent 40 years on a shovel in a coal mine or something similar.

          • Teachersrock

            I suggest you take a look below and see that I have already addressed that situation.

            Do try and keep up.

          • Hazards001

            No you haven’t you little shit. All you did was fob it off. There is no one rule for some one for others in my world you fucked up little socialist cunt, that only exists in the world of Maori, Communists and fucking school teachers. The rest of us will settle for one rule for all!

          • Teachersrock

            Goodness your kind get nasty when they cannot dispute facts.

          • Hazards001

            Does your graduated system work for people that have destroyed their bodies in hard manual labour their entire working life..and I do mean hard or are they just grist to the mill and will finish their lives as they started them?
            Try not to come back with the I was a farmer line..there are way harder and more physically body destroying jobs out there than farming. Particularly if you owned the farm.

          • rockape

            It doesnt differentiate, but of course if you retire early due to illness or being worne out you can get the benefit in full up to 5 years earl. The restriction is to get the full benefit you must have worked a total of 42 years. PS I am not a farmer, I took up hobby farming when i retired.

          • Hazards001

            Yeah, caught your comments further down. We’re on the same page.

          • rockape

            It doesnt differentiate, but of course if you retire early due to illness or being worne out you can get the benefit in full up to 5 years earl. The restriction is to get the full benefit you must have worked a total of 42 years. PS I am not a farmer, I took up hobby farming when i retired.

          • Patrick

            Greater flexibility around the ability to carry on working after retirement age would be a sensible thing. Too many people retire, fester, health & mind deteriorates & die. However I have to agree with JBK – if you have worked for 50 years & want to retire at 65 you should be allowed to. Raising the age of retirement is the weak politicians option.

          • Teachersrock

            If you want to retire at 65, fine. But it will be up to you to fill the 5 year gap before the government chips in.

            Remember, a lot have kiwisaver too. And for those with medical issues at 65-69, a simple medical checkup and they get the pension in full early.

          • rockape

            Not everyone works in a 9 to 3 job with 12 weeks holiday a year. Try working a day on a building site and then tell me what should be the retirement age. We dont all live in your featherbedded World.

          • Teachersrock

            The retirement age should be 70, with the medical option of it being sooner.

            There I told you.

          • rockape

            why seventy, why retire when your so old you cant enjoy it. why remove the choice to retire after 47 years work but retain it for those who have never done a days work.

          • Teachersrock

            70 is not old.

      • GazzW

        So spolly I am over 65 and still paying enough tax to maintain two bennies plus enough to effectively repay my own super. Are you suggesting that I would be better to sell up, move overseas where my skills are still welcome and have a foreign government benefit from my taxes.

        What you are proposing an outrageous form of social engineering. What next, euthanasia at 75 because that age bracket is using too many hospital beds?

        • johnbronkhorst

          Don’t discourage people like you (working). But encourage people to retire at 65. Pensions raised, dole lowered perhaps?

          • GazzW

            Totally agree John. There’s a ton of people out there who haven’t had my luck and whose physically demanding jobs mean that they just cannot continue working after 65. I have got tradie mates who didn’t even make it to 65 because their jobs just got too tough for them – fortunately they had put enough dosh away but there should be a system where people can retire at 60 and get less or at 65+ and get more.

          • johnbronkhorst

            My father died 1 month before his 58th (cancer) back when the retirement age was 60.

          • Hazards001

            Mine died when he was 42, hence why i left school as soon as I was able to work to help support my family. And why my body is broken now. As a general rule 15yr olds with no qualifications don’t get good office jobs.

      • Ronnie Chow

        Nah,most unemployed youth are shitheads .

      • kehua

        Yeah and the Nation would come to a grinding halt.

    • Whafe

      Totally agree. A human being must have the desire to work… Of which to most of us is a fundamental part of being a human being… How do we get this to change? Not by voting in these clown pants whom are Liabour + Gweens

      • rockape

        You can start by making benefit a less attractive option. Yes people need a minimum to live on but we can change the delivery means. Rent and food coupons, work for your benefit those two alone would change attitudes.

        • williamabong

          The problem will continue untill you remove the option of retirement straight from school from the bucket list of todays youth.

          • Patrick

            Reminds me of a bloke I went to school with, left school & went straight on the dole. Was on the dole for many years, one day his case manager from the Social Welfare spotted him up on a scaffold painting & called him in for a chat – “when are you going to be ready to come off the dole?” His reply “when can I start claiming the pension?” Just goes to show the level of entitlement some folk have.

        • johnbronkhorst

          Problem is, and I’m not disagreeing with you, you will create a black market in coupons. But the principle I agree with!

    • Patrick

      No skills or literacy – probably more to do with parents who were too lazy to get out of bed & make sure their kids had eaten breakfast, had a packed lunch & actually attended school. Those same parents were probably hard on the piss & dope every evening, incapable & unwilling to show some interest in their kids education. Ask how many of them had their parents check their homework & put them to bed at a reasonable hour. I am absolutely no fan of the teaching unions & their members but we don’t help ourselves do we.

      • Teachersrock

        Correct.

        Neither teachers or the union are in your home feeding, clothing etc… your kids. We do what we can with what we have when we have the kids.

        It is time the teacher haters (who happily send their kids to school each day, and in the same breath condemn us as evil – 2 faced as they are) to actually deal in fact and truth. Not bullshit lies and propaganda.

        • rockape

          They only send kids to your school because their is no other choice. Thats going to change soon.

          • Teachersrock

            More lies.

            People have a truck load of choice, and yes soon they will be able to pick unregulated politically driven poor excuses for schools (well until Nov 2014 when Labour closes them).

          • rockape

            Dont hold your breath, there is as much chance of Labour getting elected as you getting callouses on your hands.

          • Teachersrock

            Well seeing as I already have callouses on my hands, I guess Labour are a shoe in.

          • johnbronkhorst

            Wanking doesn’t count!

          • Teachersrock

            Well as long and thick as it is, I hate to tell you I didn’t get them from that.

            And why are you thinking about my prick anyway?

          • rockape

            Yes choice like home schooling or paying for private education. All things Labour would take away. Labour the enemy of freedom and choice. Still when we have had 10 years of charter schools we will all see just how bad the teacher lead system was compared to a student lead system.

          • Teachersrock

            Actually Labour have no plans to stop home schooling, or private schools. So that is just more lies on your part.

            And CS will be stopped well before they can do any major damage.

          • rockape

            No they just are going to stop paying for it. A bit like if National said it supports beneficiaries but limits those benefits to $1. You are an arrogant prick who thinks he is never wrong but fails to backup you “facts” with evidence.

          • Teachersrock

            I am never wrong because I have truth on my side. You have National party PR lines.

        • Patrick

          If the left have their way the teachers, their union & the nurses union will be practically in your home. Labour & the Greens are extending the State right up to your front door now.

          • Teachersrock

            Again, more nonsense.

          • Patrick

            The left:
            – Greens want nurses in schools.
            – Labour want to feed the kids at school.
            You say that is not an extension of the State? Now the State is the responsible party for providing health & food for kids. I say horeshit to you.

          • Teachersrock

            John Key is going to feed kids in schools. Is he a member of the Labour party?

            And what is wrong with making sure children are healthy? Or do you object to poor kids getting medical treatment?

          • johnbronkhorst

            It is their PARENTS job so make them do it or charge them with abuse!!!!!

          • Teachersrock

            Cool. So we remove the kids, put them into care and pay for everything. As well as paying for putting their parents in jail.

            A much better plan. Punish the poor because they cannot afford medical care.

          • Chad Chambers

            Plenty of readers here would support this idea and be happy to pay for it. Their rational being, they are paying for it anyway so the kids may as well be in orphanages, and the parents in prison. Would cost many times as much though.

          • Teachersrock

            You wanna make a bet?

            Lets say we put it in place tomorrow. The same people on here who are dribbling on about poor people being useless, would then start dribbling on about having to pay for other peoples kids.

            Do not be fooled. There are some very selfish heartless people on this blog.

          • Chad Chambers

            I hear you. A few seem to be normal and reasonable right wingers – not too dangerous, but there are a lot of extremists here. Like you say, selfish and heartless, intolerant and racist too. They know who they are.

          • rockape

            Great , lets not report the crime of rape, well its only a shagg isnt it and it costs so much to lock people up. Murder too, once an old age pensioner is beaten to death,think of the money saved in not having to pay the pension . Its a community service really. You really are a plonker!

          • Teachersrock

            Well that was a whole lot of garbage that has nothing to do with anything.

            Much like most of your posts, so no change really.

          • Patrick

            John Key has been forced into it – it is called politics. I don’t object to kids getting medical treatment but I do object to having to pay for my kids medical treatment & the good for nothings kids whose parents spend all my hard earned taxpayer money down the pub drinking up large & playing the pokies. If you can’t feed them don’t breed them.

          • Teachersrock

            Actually Key seems quite keen of food in schools.

            It is Bennett and English who are very opposed to it.

          • rockape

            You really are stupid as well as arrogant.No one is objecting to kids getting medical treatment its freely available. What the objection is ,is that parents will not meet their res[ponsibilities to get the kids that treatment. I know socialist would love to take kids to indoctrination camps,other than the ones loosly referred to as schools, and make sure we breed the next race of supersocialists but its just not going to happen. What we need to do is make sure parents meet their responsibilities. Now teachers could help, next time you see a neglected hungry child report it to the police, keep records help get that child to a better place.

          • Teachersrock

            Lord you babble and dribble a lot.

            See a doctor.

          • rockape

            Thats your argument?

    • Teachersrock

      Yes you would be wrong in that assessment.

    • Chad Chambers

      I don’t know what to think.

      When it suits a right-whinger to blame “leftie” teachers, they do. When it suits a right-whinger to blame “poor” parents, they do that too.

      Who is to blame???

      • johnbronkhorst

        Depends on the subject. Here parents are to blame for NOT feeding their kids, that however does not give incompetent teachers and unions that think they run the show a pass on the woefully declining education standards!!!

      • Kimbo

        “I don’t know what to think.”

        Yes, we already knew that. Just stop there, and don’t say another word

      • Ronnie Chow

        Leftwingers simultaneously blame National for not training youth unemployed ,(Adhern yesterday) and blame the youth for being unteachable .(Teachersrock today “Fact, some have learning issues and will never be at an educated “normal” level.”)
        That’s the Labor elephant in the room .

      • Travis Poulson

        “right-whinger”

        Oh you clever thing!! Pity you slammed the door in face of intellect and wit when it came knocking.

        • Patrick

          Probably a new buzz word given to him by his Labour Party master Mallard.

      • rockape

        Well it could be both you know Bad parents supported by a bad welfare add that to poor teaching practice supported by Labour and teaching unions. Its amazing how good parents kids succeed despite bad teachers and occasionally good teachers overcome bad parenting. Sadly in many cases you get both parents and teachers on the bad end of the scale then the poor kids have no chance. Sack bad teachers and take kids away from bad parents.

  • Mediaan

    Love the tattoo design, Mr Slater-Whale. But on a t-shirt, sell them for the blog.

  • unitedtribes

    “After the Boston Marathon bombing and the killing of a British soldier on the streets of Woolwich in London, it emerged that suspects were known to the security services – prompting concern from critics. But how feasible is it for the spies to monitor everyone on their watch list”?

    No how I would sort it. Back to were you came from sunshine.

    • GazzW

      Weren’t both the perpetrators of the Woolwich murder Brits?

      • Patrick

        Yes, British of Nigerian descent. Kind of made the statement one of them made ludicrous “they are killing them in our lands”. I would have thought he would have had an affinity for Britain & perhaps Nigeria but no the brainwashing was complete. He was even advocating sharia law in Britain. Perhaps a period in Saudi might have convinced him otherwise.

  • Pissedoffyouth

    I’ll leave this gem here

  • johnbronkhorst

    BTW…Cam …very clever re slater and whale above….reverse and mirror image of each other, did it take you long to find the right font?

    • Chad Chambers

      Thanks John. Cam did appear to need it explained.

  • Chad Chambers

    By “flip it over”, I assume you mean rotate it 180 degrees. As bad as the Herald.

    • Fuck off then cunt

      • GazzW

        We wish. Your call Cam.

  • Chad Chambers

    [Australia’s minimum wage increase is not enough to satisfy the nation’s trade unions but has been cited by the New Zealand Labour Party to highlight the trans-Tasman pay gap.

    The Fair Work Commission (FWC) on Monday ruled that Australia’s 1.5 million lowest paid workers will get a 2.6 per cent rise to $A622.20 a week or $NZ750.50 at the prevailing exchange rate.

    That’s $A16.37 ($NZ19.75) an hour for Aussies’ 38-hour working week compared with $NZ13.75 an hour or $NZ550 for Kiwis’ 40-hour working week.] NZ Newswire
    June 3, 2013, 6:14 pm

    • rockape

      And how much of that goes in tax, medical cover etc.

      • johnbronkhorst

        No wff and other benefits either.

    • rockape

      This is not Australia your comparison is no more valid than a comparison with the US, zimbabwe, or china. Your point was?

    • GazzW

      Go check the Aussie IRS site for the tax rates and other deductions Chad. Exchange rates are irrelevant when it comes to making comparisons on domestic expenditure.

      • Chad Chambers

        44% higher minimum wage. 30,000 net loss to Australia per year.

    • Pissedoffyouth

      haha and guess whats about to come up? Massive unemployment due to excessive wages and mining regualtions.

      • johnbronkhorst

        How many Ford workers laid off?

33%