Sunday General Debate [POLL]


The photo above was sent to us earlier this week from somewhere in New Zealand by someone who was up and at ’em hunting.  You can just see how still a morning it was.  Awesome.

It’s getting a bit monotonous to have to ask, but so far I’ve only got one Blubbergeddon result in.  And that one isn’t even my own.  (ahem).  Come on, by the end of the day, please.

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Right.  Before you get started with the Sunday General Debate, what about the election result?

“What election result?”, you may ask.  Indeed.

Turns out less than a third of the voters turned out to have their say.

In fact, more people voted for Parekura Horomia in the last election than turned out in this one.

Which leads me to this question:  If Maori can’t be bothered to vote for their own in a Maori seat, why should we care about Maori seats?

Here’s a quick poll for you to share your feelings about it:

Should National hold a referendum to remove the maori electorates

  • Yes (90%, 547 Votes)
  • No (5%, 32 Votes)
  • Somehow, even though this is a yes/no sort of question, I'm the sort of person that needs a third option (4%, 27 Votes)

Total Voters: 606

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  • blokeintakapuna

    Yes, remove them. They distort the political landscape through ethnicity instead of merit. Plus it’s kinda like Socialism… A race to the bottom… By allowing lesser individuals into the highest office in the land, through “crony/nepotism” rather than pure merit. But that could also be said about list MP’s too.

  • FredFrog

    I needed that third option: Screw the referendum, just get rid of them.

  • Travis Poulson

    Non binding referendums…why bother. If it was required to be acted upon then yes.

  • Kendall

    I don’t know why you would want to be on that list and de-value your vote. So keep them, and accept that the process is part of a Darwinian processes of devolution.

  • AngryTory

    No of course National shouldn’t hold a referendum to abolish the seats.

    National should just abolish the seats

    (While they’re at it, they should abolish all lists seats, and every damn seat where the income is less than the top decile, since we’re the only damn nett taxpayers. Note – just abolish: no votes, no MPs – not amalgamate with other seats)

    • double d

      makes you wonder what how the NZ would look where net tax payers only had a vote. would be a great incentive to join the 10-20% that actually pay tax …..

      • AngryTory

        NZ would look like Singapore, Hong Kong, Monaco, or Luxembourg – places already and very successfully governered according to that principle.

  • pukakidon

    I think they were needed in the past to include Maori in the process. However I think most Maori can now make a decision on their own without having to be restricted to a small group. There are many Maori in other parties who have obtained the vote without protection. To me it is condescending to the Maori people to have a special group of seats for them.

    When they are treated as equals in our society then you might see many get off state support and the bludge (Note that I say many because the majority of Maori are not in this group).

    It is sad that we have to have to put them in a little box in order that they can be looked after by the grownups.

  • rockape

    Why I oppose Maori seats. Maori dont think or act like Kiwis. There vote is not based on what is good for NZ but what is good for Maori at the expense of NZ. If white non maori did the same Racism would be shouted from the rooftops. But what if Non maori voted for an end to treaty settlements,an end to Maori representation on boards etc other than on merit. No a time to end racism in NZ end Maori seats.

    • Patrick

      “There vote is not based on what is good for NZ but what is good for Maori at the expense of NZ”

      Don’t think it is really different for most Kiwis that vote – what’s in it for me is the prevalent attitude, not what is best for the country. That is the ethos Clarke & Cullen tapped into with free student loans & working for families, they knew it was a vote winner, they also knew it would cost the country billions but the shameless pricks didn’t care as long as they got another 3 years in the beehive.

      • rockape

        No I dont agree. Unless you like me consider what is good for NZ is good for me. I dont believe it is a given that all beneficiaries vote Labour and all tax payers vote National. How would you account for the Green Vote. Their policies are not good for individuals, the country and is the truth were known, the World!

        • Patrick

          The Greens supporters: idealists, communists, misfits, dope smoking hippies

          • blokeintakapuna

            You also forget, ‘yogurt-weaving, crystal-spinners’ too…

          • IWantToBeLikeMallardOneDay

            Middle trash rebelling against their parents and some notion of an abstraction called “society” by conforming with their peers and doing as the teacher tells them.

        • IWantToBeLikeMallardOneDay

          Middle class guilt, credulity and a dumbed down education system which pounds bromides into childrens’ heads instead of teaching them the skills they need to thrive outside of academia, the media or a government job.

  • motorizer

    I can’t understand why you wouldn’t just vote for the maori party. Your member would automaticly be in government. Why would you vote for someone who had no power?

    • Patrick

      I can think of much finer places I would prefer my “member” to be in, Government ain’t one of them.

  • GazzW

    I heard on the radio this morning that skiing injuries cost ACC $18 million last year. Is it time to put a levy on lift passes? Rugby cost ACC $56 million. Is it time to put a levy on rugby club subs and apply the same principle to all sports clubs? It’s called ‘user pays’.

    • Patrick

      Totally agree, but let’s go further. I would rather pay choose my own insurance thank you, why am I forced to pay ACC?

      • Mediaan

        Worse than that. It makes New Zealand an experimental laboratory. We become human guinea pigs for chemicals, processed foods, and pharma’s new drugs.

        We cannot sue for any medical injury. All because of ACC.

    • blokeintakapuna

      Agree. ACC is a rort. My ACC payments for me and my home-based business are calculated not only on risk profile, but business turn over… But the larger component is based on revenue.

      More revenue… More chances of paper cuts or vicious wounds from the stapler I guess…

      ACC could teach a thing or two about “revenue gathering exercise” to those dishing out parking/speeding tickets.

    • Dumrse

      And lets not forget hundreds of off roaders (collectively) that pay fuck all if anything in ACC levies.

    • pukakidon

      Ruby Club fees are already levied for ACC.

      • GazzW

        Question for you PD. Are rugby club fees levied enough? With an ACC bill of $56 million and 147,000 registered players the levy should be $381 per player. I’m not targeting rugby (I love the game) but along with skiing it was the only sport mentioned.

  • ThievingBastards

    Remove the seats, skip the referendum. They’re a total waste of time, money and energy. Actually that goes for both the seats and referendums.

  • peterwn

    The Maori electorates will remove themselves in due course when more and more eligible Maori choose to go on the general roll.

  • manuka416

    Let them die out naturally through attrition from the Maori roll.

  • LesleyNZ

    The time has come.

  • Mediaan

    Those Maori electorates are so big, they are almost impossible to cover. And they have no centre like a single big city.

    That means it is very hard to oust an incumbent.

    Once in, you are there for life pretty much. It’s far from democratic if there is no real choice.