EXCLUSIVE – Independent analysis of Robin Bain’s finger marks [GALLERY]

A reader left the following comment on last nights Bain post where Joe Karam once again spread murk and bullshit in his bid to undermine due process.

I opened the photos from the Herald in Photoshop.
I used Photoshop to look at the RGB colour values of the marks.
It shows the marks on Robin’s thumb are a dark red.
Whereas it shows the test firing cartridge smudges are a dark gray.
In other worlds, Robin’s thumb marks are closer to the colour of blood/scratches than they are to cartridge soot.

I thought I would look at what he says in Photoshop. Here are my attempts at obtaining the colour codes…and yes the commenter is correct, they are in the red spectrum not in the gray spectrum. I have marked the location I obtained the test pixel with a yellow arrow if you want to try and duplicate it.  

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As I said yesterday if you are to believe Joe Karam the you have to believe Robin Bain was the last one to handle the gun, killed his entire family (except David because he was the only one who deserved to live), then wiped his prints from the gun, added David Bain’s instead when David was out, then placed the magazine in its thin end, the same magazine that didn’t have his prints on them either on its end, then shot himself and fell down with his hand right beside the upright magazine, and left greasy marks on his hand to prove he was the last one to handle the firearm. Oh and one mustn’t forget that dear old Joe has spent years explaining all this away by the fact that Robin Bain wore gloves that have never been found but took them off just after he killed himself and popped them in the washing machine without rubbing off the greasy marks on his thumb…and then shot himself without leaving any prints on the gun.

If you believe all that on top of all the other amazing things that you have to believe if you believe Robin Bain then I have a bridge I can sell you.

 


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  • Blue Tim

    I’m sick of PI Joe slagging the police for his delusional pleasure.

  • Travis Poulson

    Karam keeps referring to “parallel lines”, so far I am yet to see any. Does he not know what the word parallel means? Thank god he’s not a road marker or we’d be in some serious shit.

  • Euan Ross-Taylor

    Could someone please confirm either way whether these marks could be caused by holding a bow of an instrument like a cello. They look very much like what I would expect to find on a musician, both thumb and forefinger.

    • Random66

      Not sure about that, but I did read Robin was doing something with the house guttering a day or so before the murders so that could account for some markings on his hands.

      • Euan Ross-Taylor

        I was cleaning my own gutters the other day and I got little cuts all over my hands from both the guttering and the iron roofing. But these dont look so much like cuts to me, but more like those calluses you get when playing a guitar. But being the right hand I wonder if you get similar marks when gripping a bow, as I understand Robin was a musician?

        • opusx

          You’re on to it. These so called ‘significant’ marks could have been caused for any number of reasons. I’m not discounting the Karam’s camp views, but they are an ‘insignificant’ part of the bigger picture as the marks can simply be interpreted in numerous different ways. Lets put the boot on the other foot. Would a jury convict Robin based on this evidence alone if he were the party taken to trial. As an ex-police officer I can assure you if this were the only evidence offered in a Police case it would not even get through a depositions hearing. A defence counsel would rip this apart before it got anywhere near trial status. So it’s certainly no slam dunk.

        • LesleyNZ

          He also did gardening – if I don’t wear gloves I get cuts on my thumb and fingers. Some plants and weeds are brutal.

          • spiker

            The Southland Times recently showed a photo of two women council workers planting flowers on a traffic island. They were wearing high visibility, reflective heavy jackets and pants, helmets, heavy gloves and safety glasses. But, hey – no ear protection. Don’t they realize that the noise of an enraged polyanthus can cause permanent hearing loss?

        • spiker

          use a scoop

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            I bought one for the job, but found it just right for cleaning the ash out of the fire so it now lives inside lol.

          • LesleyNZ

            The scoop I have is plastic……….. they are good but mine not good for ash. Do you have a metal scoop?

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            No, just clean up quickly in the morning.

    • Or cuts from guitar playing, or a banjo, which Robin Bain played extensively for a bluegrass band

      • opusx

        Yep. Literally could’ve been a result of all sorts of actions. And the marks are where numerous people (me included) have natural indentations.

      • Euan Ross-Taylor

        So these could be marks left by plectons (?) from playing banjo?

      • Dave

        Oh yeah, String instruments have ….. Parallel Strings JOE, now think bout that one, Joe

      • Now I can’t get the song from Deliverance out of my head…

        • LesleyNZ

          That was a great movie. Here we are – to keep it in your head KS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8
          Did you know that the guy who played the banjo wasn’t really playing it? it looked like he was but there was someone behind him actually playing it.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Redden
          ” Billy Redden (born 1956 in Rabun County, Georgia) is an American actor best known for his role as Lonnie, the banjo-playing boy, in the 1972 film Deliverance.
          Redden, then 15, earned his role in Deliverance during a casting call at Clayton Elementary School in Clayton, Georgia. To add authenticity and humor to the film, the filmmakers found Redden to fit the look of the inbred and mentally retarded banjo boy called for by the book, although Redden himself is neither. His distinctive look was enhanced using special makeup.
          In his famous scene, Redden plays the instrumental “Dueling Banjos” opposite actor Ronny Cox on guitar. It is noted for foreshadowing the film’s theme: exploring unknown and potentially dangerous territory. Redden could not actually play the banjo. A local musician, Mike Addis, reached around from behind Redden; this was disguised using careful camera angles.
          Jon Voight claimed Redden “was a boy who had a genetic imbalance – a product of his mother and his brother, I think. He was quite amazing, a very talkative fellow.”[1]
          Redden also appeared in Tim Burton’s 2003 film Big Fish. Burton was intent on getting Redden, who hadn’t appeared in a film since Deliverance, to play the role of a banjo-playing welcomer in the utopian town of Spectre. Burton eventually found him in Clayton, Georgia, where he worked as a cook, dishwasher, and part-owner of the Cookie Jar Café.
          In 2004, Redden made a guest appearance on Blue Collar TV playing an inbred car repairman named Ray in a “Redneck Dictionary” skit, for the word “raisin bread” (as in “Ray’s inbred”). He played a banjo in the skit.

  • williamabong

    Why does the media hang breathless on every word Karam utters, if you’re serious Joe, front the murderer up and get him to actually answer some of the questions that have never been answered, the whole country knows he did it, time you admitted it.

    Said it before Bain deserves nothing and Karam should get half of it.

  • opusx

    Now lets see if the MSM interview anyone…anyone at all…that offers evidence that refutes Joe’s moronic spiel. Hell, they could start with the sensible man who did this very basic test in photoshop? Or anyone of the numerous commentators on Whale Oil that demonstrate they have ample brain cells in theiir noggins to see the obvious. What I find really annoying is that no one on TV(fluffy) 3 has ever turned Joe’s waffle back in his face by having him explain away all the other evidence. John Campbell (you should be ashamed of yourself) is so bad he nods in agreement with Joe as he’s ‘interviewing’ him. He does this subconsciously, and is an indicator the interviews have been well rehearsed before hand. This is nothing more than choreographed journalism that mounts to little more than an episode of Sensing Murder (yes…that spine-tingling reality show). It’s so bad it has become a television commercial.

  • OT Richter

    I use red grease at home on my bikes, and will use the same grease if I ever get around to giving my mighty .177 some love.

    • Random66

      I’m almost afraid to ask what or who is a .177?

      • Euan Ross-Taylor

        If those are her measurements, then she must be a Bieber fan.

      • Travis Poulson

        It’s an air rifle, but someone needs to explain to him it doesn’t go up his arse.

      • In Vino Veritas

        Its a pellet gun Random.

        • Random66

          Well that doesn’t sound very ‘mighty’. Thanks everyone for responding. Travis that was an interesting visual :)

          • Travis Poulson

            He mentioned grease, and “giving my mighty .177 some love.”

            Was there another conclusion I should have jumped to?

          • Random66

            You crack me up. I must admit without knowing what a .177 was and seeing the words ‘mighty’ and ‘love’ my mind was wandering down some unsavoury paths. It must be Friday!

          • OT Richter

            Now why would I use grease when I have a tub of KY?

    • an air rifle is never mighty

      • OT Richter

        Tell that to the perforated rabbits that can no longer dig and chew.

        • opusx

          And the undercover cop who was killed with one few years back!

    • If that is the width of your cock it is hardly mighty

      • OT Richter

        My wife doesn’t call me needledick for nothing, but it’s OK because she has the world’s smallest vagina :)

        • LesleyNZ

          Stop it – no need for low-level grubby talk like this. This blog needs more women reading it. Up the standard OT and Whale!

        • williamabong

          For sure, at least that’s what the Taihape under 19 rugby team said.

  • LesleyNZ

    Well there we go. Slam dunk Joe!

  • LesleyNZ

    Today’s NZ Herald by Anna Leask. “Mr Karam said David Bain was torn over the information. “He doesn’t know whether to laugh or cry … he cries that evidence of his innocence has come up after being physically lost from his father’s body.”
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10897065

    • opusx

      Grrrrr

    • Whanga_Cynic

      OH, purleeese!!!

    • Mr Magoo

      If David Bain isn’t the perpetrator then he had a great deal of bad luck.
      Bad luck that his father found the trigger lock.
      Bad luck that his father decided to wear David’s gloves instead of his own.
      Bad luck that his father even bothered to wear gloves seeing as he was apparently going to commit suicide and it wouldn’t have mattered if his fingerprints were found on the rifle.
      Bad luck that the only identifiable prints on the rifle were David’s.
      Bad luck those prints were in pristine condition and hadn’t been smeared with all the handling of the rifle that morning.
      Bad luck that David had Stephen’s blood on his clothes.
      Bad luck that that the glasses belonging to his mother that he said he wore when his were unavailable were found in a damaged condition on a chair in his room with one lens missing.
      Bad luck that missing lens was found in Stephen’s room.
      Bad luck his lawyer had told the Crown Prosecutor that David had told him he would be admitting to wearing those glasses that weekend.
      Bad luck that his aunt testified that David had told her he had been wearing a pair of his mothers glasses that weekend.
      Bad luck that he had bruises on his head and torso consistent with him having been in a fight/struggle.
      Bad luck his father changed into some tatty old clothes before he supposedly committed suicide.
      Bad luck David didn’t realise those clothes his father changed out of were in the wash-basket and that he put them in the washing machine without noticing there was blood on them, thus destroying evidence.

      • tarkwin

        Bit of a run of bad luck that day for poor David. Only good luck was blaming Robin.

      • williamabong

        Add in that Robin had a full bladder after having awake and up for what would have been almost an hour, something a 50 year old man would struggle with, in short he would have felt his back teeth were floating.

      • Bunswalla

        If it wasn’t for bad luck David would’ve had no luck at all.

    • ross

      He cries because he can see his big pay-day slowly slipping away.

  • Karam seems to have accepted that there’s not going to be any compensation for David Bain unless he can find a hat, then pull a rabbit out of it. This latest effort is neither rabbit nor hat.

    • Travis Poulson

      No he found something else, which was pulled from somewhere else.

  • Travis Poulson

    Oh look, I’ve got marks like that too. Did I get them from handling a .22 magazine? Nope. It’s called manual labour Joe, something you’ve lost familiarity with.

    • opusx

      Slam dunk!!!

    • Mark

      Whoa, I think we’ve just found the killer, people!

    • Bunswalla

      I think it’s time to trim your nose hairs Trav, they’re clearly getting a bit gnarly.

    • manuka416

      Officer, arrest that man!

  • Jimmie

    Well I put on my tin hat this morning and by tuning my headset into ‘Aliens among us’ found out that the marks on Robin Bain’s thumb was actually caused by a human testing ‘grey’ which decided to take some body samples from Bain after he was killed.

    After doing the test which left the marks the grey then killed the rest of the family but did not kill David when he got home as the grey had been secretly communicating with Bain prior to the murders (via his natural antennae) and knew he was such an innocent child.

    This absolutely proves that David was innocent and Judith Collins must pay him 10 million at once.

    • Bunswalla

      I agree. I’ve sent you 1 million of it to pass onto Crusher next time you see her. I did it with my tinfoil hat tuned to “Send”.

    • Mr Magoo

      More bad luck.
      Bad luck that his father did not have enough blood on his hands to enable that blood to be tested.
      Bad luck his father typed a message on the computer instaed of hand-writing one.
      Bad luck that message that the message on the computer pointed to David’s superiority over the rest of the family.
      Bad luck that the shell casing from the bullet that killed his father ended up in the computer alcove.
      Bad luck that his father’s head appeared to have been moved subsequent to his death.
      Bad luck his father had a full bladder.
      Bad luck that David apparently fainted after finding his family dead and didn’t
      “come around” until after twenty minutes had passed. Had he not fainted he would have phoned the emergency services immediately on finding his family dead and the police would have arrived twenty minutes earlier and found the washing machine was still going, thus confirming David’s statement that he put the washing in the machine when he arrived home.
      Bad luck he told the phone operator that all his family were dead then later told the police he had only seen his mother and father.
      Bad luck he didn’t turn his bedroom light on when he arrived home ,even though it was pitch black at that time of the morning. Had he done so he would have seen the trigger lock key on the floor and wouldn’t have done the washing, thus destroyed evidence.
      Bad luck that when the washing machine cycle was tested it took an hour.
      Bad luck that Laniet told acquaintances that she met when going to work on the Sunday that she didn’t want to go to the family meeting that David had called for that evening because he was acting freaky and that she was frightened of him.
      Bad luck that his Gondolier’s T-shirt had a stain on it that looked like blood that he said wasn’t there when he put it in the wash the previous evening.

      • Mr Magoo

        And yet more bad luck.
        Bad luck he told a female companion before the killings that he thought something terrible was going to happen
        Bad luck he told his friend Mark Buckley of his plan to molest a female jogger using his paper round as an alibi.
        Bad luck his right-handed father supposedly shot himself in the left temple and did so without removing the silencer from the rifle.
        Bad luck his father supposedly changed magazines when there was no need to because the ten shot magazine still had three live rounds in it.
        Bad luck his father supposedly placed that ten shot magazine upright on the floor when he could have simply dropped it or put it on the coffee table.
        Bad luck he heard his sister Laniet gurgling and described that gurgling exactly how a pathologist said she would have sounded if she had been shot once through the cheek and was still alive.
        Bad luck that he saw his mother’s eyes open when experts said they would have closed shortly after she was shot through the eyelid.
        Bad luck that when the photo of that bloody sockprint was taken the print did not show up so no-one could prove whether or not that print was in fact a full heel and toe print.
        Bad luck he told the police the green jersey that it was later proved to have been worn by the killer belonged to Arawa and only later ,when he took the stand, said it belonged to his father.
        Bad luck that the blue track pants in the wash which he would never admit were his were too long to have been worn by any other family member.
        Bad luck he said he didn’t bring the paper in which meant that his father must have brought it in even though he was apparently intending to commit suicide.
        Now you have to admit that David must have had a heck of a lot of bad luck, if he was not the killer.

        • LesleyNZ

          All the Bad Lucks need to be compiled into one list and posted – to remind us. We tend to forget – thanks for the reminder.

  • boristhefrog

    Joe Karam is a kook…. and tell me about that bridge….

    • LesleyNZ

      The old Kopu bridge is up for grabs…………………….

      • Random66

        Really? I did not know that. I thought they were going to keep it and perhaps turn it into a walking bridge or something like that. It will be a shame to see it go.

    • dogit

      Agree totally. My only real concern is that the government may still be crazy enough to pay compensation to David who I believe did the deed. That’s our hard earned tax dollars that could be better spent elsewhere. If that happens I would bet my last dollar that Karam will then get his share from David as his own form of compensation for time and money spent supporting David.
      don’t get why TV3 is suddenly doing Karam’s bidding though.

  • ross
  • Col

    I have had enough of all this, as far as I m concerned it is a dead story>

    • opusx

      It certainly should be. But then how would TV3 up their ratings. It’s tough in TV these days. They sure are selling…lets just hope no ones buying!

  • ross

    Cameron,

    You say “one mustn’t forget that dear old Joe has spent years explaining all this away by the fact that Robin Bain wore gloves that have never been found”.
    Actually the gloves were found under Stephen’s bed. They were covered with blood and they belonged to David. Why Robin would wear David’s gloves and not his own, how Robin knew where David kept them, and why Robin would require gloves to kill his family is unclear.

    • Travis Poulson

      And why would he wear gloves if he was going to top himself at the end of it

      • ross

        It was a cold Dunedin morning…the old fella was probably feeling the cold.

        • Bunswalla

          Yet he never had a piss.

      • LesleyNZ

        Yes and if Joe Karam really knew what Robin Bain was like he would know the truth. Robin preferred to spend time reading his Bible in the early morning and no doubt praying for David and his family. I wonder – is this what Robin was doing before he was murdered? Gloves would be the last thing on his mind.

  • williamabong

    The day David stands up and answers the unanswered questions I may change my mind, up to that point we can all watch a multiple murderer walk the streets pissing on our justice system.

  • natman

    Sorry Joe Karam, but if you do believe that those marks are from robin contacting with the magazine, this does not point to or change anything, it does say simply that david planted another piece of evidence, do you really think that we are that fkn stupid?

    Maybe a stint in the labour party for you, shit talker.

  • spiker

    I can see now why Judith Collins is staying put on compensation. As a lawyer she knows how due process can be worn down by attrition and the sowing of doubt, rightly or wrongly. It’s interesting that the Bain family have fiercely defended Robin Bain all along. Personally, I think that, of the two, Robin Bain had both the motive and the personality to be the killer but I am not convinced that the physical evidence supports that.

    • Bunswalla

      David had ample motive – read “The Mask of Sanity” for details. David wanted to be the head of the house, was already acting like he was. Wanted to demolish the house and build a new one, but his parents didn’t agree to the plans.

      David. Rifle. Problem solved.

  • spiker

    What about ink marks from delivering newspapers.

  • Puzzled

    If Robin loaded the magazine (with no gloves on, as the magazine residue marks are on his thumb) his print have to be on the cartridge cases. So if they turn out to be Davids’, does that prove David did it?

  • IWantToBeLikeMallardOneDay

    The same people who buy this bollocks are the kinds of people who’d vote for Labour or the Greens, but even some of them aren’t completely retarded.

  • Rodger T

    Joe began this crusade with the opinion that DB could not have killed his family and has steadfastly refused to accept anything to the contrary ,despite the evidence.
    He has attempted to bend the facts and fit ridiculous scenarios to blame Robin Bain.
    His ego will not let him accept any suggestion that he got it wrong and has been played for a fool.
    Fascinatingly enough ,I`ve spoken to people who believe Joe simply because he could kick a ball quite well for the ABs.

  • LesleyNZ

    You mean “Judy”? Now go and write that word out 100 times. You have an identity crisis. You must be a member of the Labour Party.

  • pukakidon

    You are not the Mad Teacher from Dunedin are you?

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