Face of the day

“Why are you red, Prime Minister?”

“I’m not, why are you sweating?” – John Key to Billy Big Steps during the GCSB hearing.

 

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  • Troy

    I continued to be astounded that this German lardass is meddling in the politics of our country – he is a visitor here, not a citizen – he has no right to be fronting up at a select committee and unbelievably in front of a Prime Minister. What the fuck is going on here? Extradite expeditiously.

    • OT Richter

      California has Arnie, why can’t Auckland have Dotcom? Run for mayor I say! Should find empathy with the 33% obesity rate in sth Auckland. Subsidise fried chicken and it’s goodbye Lenny.

      • Travis Poulson

        California has Jerry Brown.

    • Polish Pride

      I suspect he’s doing more to fight for your rights as an individual than you’ve ever done. We need more people like him to stand up.

      • Euan Ross-Taylor

        Correction, KIm is not fighting for ‘my’ rights – he is fighting for his own.

        • OT Richter

          Why did Augustus Gloop set up here in the first place? Most likely to make use of our relatively lax laws and monitoring proceedures.

          He now sees that threatened and is simply protecting his current and future business interests.

          • Polish Pride

            Probably correct but in doing so he is protecting yours mine and everyone elses rights at the same time. Here I was thinking you guys wanted less govt intrusion in your lives. Guess I got that way off base huh.

        • Polish Pride

          Oh I’m sorry Euan I didn’t realize that the law was being changed to only allow the GCSB to spy on Kimmy not the rest of the New Zealand population. Stop being a fool.

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            I’m not convinced that you are right, and calling me a fool does your case no favour. I am not concerned at all that the Govt might spy on me. Only those who have something to fear should be worried by this. I am far more concerned that we have anti terrorist measures in place ‘before’ we need them.

          • Polish Pride

            I didn’t say you were a fool Euan I said you were being one There is a difference. One is about the man the other is about the behavior. The latter can be changed But I apologise for any offence caused.

            I am far more concerned that we have anti terrorist measures in place ‘before’ we need them.
            So you are sitting there in your home scared of terrorists? Really, you have more chance of being hit by a bus crossing the road.
            The risk is so miniscule it is not worth the loss of freedoms.

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            And I too say, are you for real? Doesn’t your TV pick up the UK riots? or the US bombings? These ‘will’ come to our shores. No I do not sit at home in fear because I am proactive about protecting ‘our lovely country by allowing the GCSB to monitor for the purpose of detecting any national threats. Dotcom was spied on illegally. That is not being denied by anyone.

          • Polish Pride

            These will only be a risk of coming to our shores if we get more involved in spying on behalf of he US. It is the US’s and the UK’s activities abroad in other countries that saw them become targets. You can’t expect to overthrow democratically elected govt’s and install oppressive dictators without expecting some blowback.

          • sniff the speckled ring

            Then you wouldn’t be opposed to listening devices in your home and in all public spaces? How about gps implant so the government can analyse where you travel? As we can see with the Boston bombing big brother can not stop even the most bumbling of fools.

          • Kendall

            Most of us carry out GPS with us satellites or not. So we have no issue using this meta data with a warrant, but by then it’s usually to late. The biggest threat to security is the belief that there is no threat!

          • Bunswalla

            Two words – Rainbow. Warrior.

          • Polish Pride

            bahahaha and who was found to be behind it. Terrorists? or a foreign government!
            My whole point is you should be more concerned about what your govt is trying to do than some terrorists that will always be far more interested in the UK and the USA than us.
            Not your best work on that one Buns but certainly made me laugh. cheers.

          • Bunswalla

            So terrorism isn’t terrorism depending on who’s behind it? Your naivety is breathtaking.

            You say that terrorists (by definition, those that commit acts of terror) will always be far more interested in the UK and the USA than us.

            Except when they weren’t.

            Glad you can laugh at yourself.

          • Polish Pride

            you really seriously think that intelligence services are just gonna use standard email when discussing going to another country and blowing things up and my naivety is breathtaking. wake up! You still haven’t given a reason that we need mass surveillance but feel free to have another go. Try turning of your idiot box, it might help you start thinking for yourself.

          • Kendall

            The biggest threat to security is the belief that there is no threat!

          • Mr_V4

            Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

            The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

            In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

          • Polish Pride

            Oh yes I agree completely. The question is, is this massive change to our freedoms really needed. And can those in power be trusted with it. History shows A: they can’t and B: they won’t stop here when it comes to taking away your freedoms.
            If they really want it though they will no doubt will find a way to manufacture consent which is the very scary part.

        • IWantToBeLikeMallardOneDay

          Whatever they are that he’s fighting for, they sure as hell aren’t my conception of what rights are.

      • tarkwin

        ?????? Are you for real?

        • Polish Pride

          Yes I’m for real. I can see the bigger picture. read my other post if you’d like more context.

          • tarkwin

            KDC is a thief. Nothing more nothing less.

          • Polish Pride

            If that’s all you see I can’t really help you.

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            and you thought you could?

          • Polish Pride

            I like to think anybody can be helped. I grew up in the country. Its what we do. We still say hello to our Neighbours where we live and are far more concerned about what our government is doing vs what a few terrorists whose only interest in New Zealand would be because we are spying for the US. If anything this legislation increases the risk.

          • In Vino Veritas

            Peace in our time huh Polish? Neville Chamberlain was a man who believed what you believe.
            You have forgotten that we have a military alliance with the US and Australia. We would drop tools and march on anyone who attacked Great Britain. Can you be so niave as to believe that enabling spying for the US would be the only thing that could trigger a terrorist attack? Not long ago, we had nut jobs in the Uruwera’s throwing molotovs about and firing guns. Of course the media and the do gooders all say it was laughable, but what if they had thrown a molotov or five into the TVNZ foyer and burnt the place? Or worse, graduated to home made bombs and delivered a few to Queen St?

          • Polish Pride

            On the US, UK, OZ alliance yes and we still would without surveillance of our citizens. In fact surveillance of Kiwis is only useful if we believe that kiwis are going to launch an attack on our allies. That chance is so remote that there is no way it justifies mass surveillance of Kiwis by our government or by the governments of our allies.
            On the Ureweras
            yes and did we need surveillance of the entire populace that stopped them? No. Could the surveillance have been conducted legally by obtaining a warrant – yes. Problem solved.
            This is trying to crack open a walnut with a hand grenade.

          • In Vino Veritas

            Polish, I think you’ll find that any surveillance is going to be on a case by case basis, not a blanket surveillance of every NZ’r for every minute of every day as you are implying.
            All this legislation is doing is putting into law what has been happening for more than a decade. Opponent over reaction much?

          • Polish Pride

            You mean just as Americans thought their surveillance was……?
            Roll over on this and it won’t be far behind if it isn’t already happening that is. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the American spy base in NZ isn’t doing exactly that already. If that is the case, when we say to our govt are we under constant surveillance, they can turn around and say. We don’t spy on our citizens, knowing full well they have America doing it on their behalf.
            At the end of the day it comes down to the sort of world you want to be living in.

          • In Vino Veritas

            So Polish. What you are saying is that you are guessing as to what might happen, or be happening. Conspiracy theory it is then.

          • Polish Pride

            A little bit yeah :) But given what we have just found out and what they are doing here I don’t think it is unwarranted to be asking a lot more questions.
            The big thing for me on this IVV is that what has happened here in NZ that indicates this freedom should be taken away from all New Zealanders…I can’t see anything to justify it.
            The best others have come up with is the Rainbow Warrior.

          • In Vino Veritas

            The best Neville Chamberlain came up with was “peace in our time”. That turned out well. There is absolutely no reason to believe that NZ is immune to the type of attacks that have occurred in the US and the UK. Pacifist type burying ones head in the sand doesn’t prevent people being killed.

          • Polish Pride

            Not saying we should bury our heads in the sand and not saying we shouldn’t be aware of the risk. I am saying that such a draconian measure is unwarranted, is overkill and is very slippery slope for us to start heading down.
            The conspiracy theorist in me is worried about the timing also In light of the NSA Snowden thing. I have been noticing that more and more legislation of the same nature seems to be pushed through in Oz, NZ, the USA, GB, and France. It just seems a little odd to say the least that it keeps happening. Its as if we are being hearded in a particular direction. I think that this is more about controlling political dissent dressed up as defence against terrorism. And that to me is very concerning.

          • Mr_V4

            Then get a warrant, no need to spy on the whole population.

          • tarkwin

            So, you would have us believe the fat kraut popped over here and out of the goodness of his heart decided to help out poor little N.Z? Con men are con men because they are convincing. This is a nice friendly little backwater where he thought he could steal what he likes, buy a few politicians and make awful music whilst fleecing people around the world. As he showed yesterday, he is a megalomaniac who believes he has the right to influence politics in this country. The sooner he is deported the better.

          • johnbronkhorst

            When he is extradited, charge his air ticket by the kilo and a special departure tax of …..say $1 billion, for the aggravation he caused!!

          • Anonymouse Coward

            If he is as you say a thief aren’t the proper people to deal with him the Police, not the antipodean version of the former East German Stassi.

          • tarkwin

            Edgar Briggs would be a closer to the truth.

      • Troy

        Fuck you with a comment like that. Who the fuck are you to know what i’ve done for this country – how about serving more than 20 years in the military… FUCK you Polish Pride – pricks like you need fuck off outta here… numbnuts.

        • Kendall

          I’m thinking of a line from a few good men. Some people have no idea of what cost freedom comes at.

        • Polish Pride

          Your certainly not standing up for our rights now are you Troy. Just rolling right on over. But then 20 years in the military will make you very good at falling into line with what those from above tell you needs to be done.

          Let me guess:
          core: infantry
          and worked for a living – not an officer.
          20 years in the military. Well done. Now start deprogramming and try thinking for yourself.

          As for me standing up for rights – Every single day of my life. I didn’t give up like it appears you have. Stop resting on your laurels Troy, life’s still going on or are you happy for your legacy to just be – served 20 years in the Army. Do more, Be more, Everyday.

          • Troy

            Wanna meet? I’ll explain it in a way you won’t forget.

          • Polish Pride

            Oh wow looks like I really hit a nerve didn’t I. Be careful what you wish for Troy.
            And I’m an arsehole? what cause I defend our rights to privacy? What does that make you then Tough Guy? A scared little pantywaist prepared to trade security for freedom at the drop of a hat!
            It would appear your the one who has issues sitting here making threats. Well newsflash buddy I was in the Military too. here’s some free advice, try to get your wittle bitty ego in check before it gets you into trouble.
            I mean seriously what sort of little Fucktard sits behind his computer on a blog and makes threats? Why don’t you go home and tell mommy there’s mean man on the internet who’s hurt your feelings. No wonder we’re giving freedoms away left right and centre. Jesus H Christ.
            Oh and since the Govts of this country destroyed the Military through lack of funding, I’m gonna take it you stuck around for the paycheck. Now Fuck Off!

    • Mr_V4

      Will extradite as soon as you can find ‘secondary copyright infrigement’ in the extradition treaty.

  • Dotcom’s appearance yesterday added nothing new to this debate. The media throng chased him as he left the select committee room after his submission; perhaps they were hoping that some money would fall from his rather large pockets!

  • LinkinHawk

    The love fest on cambell live was a sick joke, even suggesting Con has enough support to run for parliament next time.

    • 98th out of 100 trusted people, just above hone Harawira. Will be hard running for parliament from a federal holding facility while wear orange overalls and stainless steel bracelets

      • Troy

        But will it get to that Cam? I have my doubts (or more distrust in our judges to rule for his extradition)… but i’d be happy if he is dispatched with haste.

      • OT Richter

        His cell mate will have to roll him in flour to find the wet spot.

        • Rusty B

          Or fart to give him a clue!

    • AnonWgtn

      He will not be able to run for Parliament because hopefully he will be in klink (Schultz) in USA.
      Or he will have run in the dark to Finland where he has citizenship as well as Germany.

    • Random66

      Yes I did hear that LinkinHawk, however his response was interesting. When asked if he was interested in running for parliament, KDC said; ‘No I’m not going to be a politician, but I’m going to try and do my best to try to influence politics in a way that allows for better legislation, that allows for more privacy…” (blah blah blah). I was waiting for JC to ask him how he plans to influence our NZ politics and wouldn’t more privacy really just benefit a few (e.g. KDC himself), but John just smiled at him adoringly – so I switched the channel.

  • OT Richter

    I find it interesting that in the middle of the GCSB hearing TV3 chose to air a Bourne movie that starts off with the CIA Echelon system filtering a top secret word from a phone convo between two journos. They instantly know everything about the journos, tap their phones email etc and 10mins into the movie one of them is taken out in a sanctioned hit.

    Coincidence maybe, but very topical.

  • Andy

    He can’t run for Parliament! He is NOT a NZ Citizen! Everyone who supports K.C and thinks he is a nice guy needs to get their head checked out. Not even the Germans want him back.

    If Key had any balls, he’d revoke the fat Germans residence visa and send him packing on a one-way flight to the US.

    • Alloytoo

      Key doesn’t want the public to think he’s autocratic, so he allows the Kim sideshow for a few minutes and then smiles at the cameras and tells us it’s all a bit of a farce.

      Most people walk away thinking: “Hey John’s a nice chap for putting up with it.”

      Some people think (with admiration): “He’s a cunning bastard that John.”

      The rest have never and were never going to vote for him anyway.

    • AnonWgtn

      A pity that we do not have legislation that only New Zealand Citizens can vote.

  • Whafe

    It is more astounding than words can describe, that Dotcom gets any airtime…. If he was indeed innocent, he would go and front in the US of A etc etc, up like any innocent person would.

    • Get a grip

      No innocent people in jail then :-)

  • tarkwin

    Can you run for office from an American prison cell?

    • AngryTory

      Gitmo!

      But much simpler to just drone the loser.

  • motorizer

    when all is said and done what do we have? A man obsessed by money and not people and a man who is willing to open up doors to let himself be scrutinized by the public.

    (Their is such nastiness out there on social media from people who have no idea of the facts. People who when confronted delete their posts.)

  • Bob

    Dotcon is not looking healthy, is his backup plan to avoid extradition to get so big he won’t fit through the plane door? Not to worry we can use a forklift to load him into the back of a C130, am sure the US would send one for him.

    • Antonov 124

      • Troy

        Antonov 225 ;)

        • dumbshit

          deck cargo on a submarine

          • johnbronkhorst

            NNNNOOO…That fat german is so full of shit, you don’t want him anywhere near the ocean………….polluting our fishing grounds.

    • AngryTory

      Extradition? Fuck that. The US should just fly a couple of predators in to Deep Freeze, and then send ’em north to the mansion.

      Predator, Hellfire, problem solved.

      • Mr_V4

        And if your house and family is ‘collateral damage’?

  • GazzW

    Couldn’t believe it last night. Got home late, turned on the TV One +1 news at 7pm to find out what was going on in Egypt – surely the main news event of the day. Gobsmacked to see the first ten minutes occupied by this piece of lowest common denominator trivia, self-generated by the MSM for consumption by the gullible. The system doesn’t help either, what is it that a non-citizen can even appear at this hearing never mind making veiled insults to our most senior elected parliamentarian.

    • OT Richter

      Agreed, but I did chuckle when he gave Shearer and Banks a bit of stick about offshore bank accounts and donations.

  • Polish Pride

    Actually you guys are pretty pathetic on this actually. Aunty Helen breaks the law on election spending or donations and changes the law and makes it apply retrospectively. Result: your all up in arms crying that its BS, totally wrong and ridiculous. The GCSB is found acting illegally under John Keys watch, so John decides to then turn around and change the law to take away some of your freedoms by actually making what the GCSB did legal in the future and where are you. Silent. Pathetic. You should be ashamed. Those of you who have kids, make sure you sit them down and tell them…There was a time that the govt couldn’t spy on you by listening to your phone calls, emails and the like. But your dad/mum didn’t really think your rights were worth fighting for.
    If it was Labour in govt you’d be up in arms again, but as its National you have your heads stuck too far up your own arses to give a shit. When are you going to learn that before left vs right BS it is us vs them. I.e. them working for us and us holding them to account…….no matter who is in govt.

    • Muffin

      You miss the point, cheating on election spending and donations benefits auntie Helen, in this case it’s what’s best for the whole country not just JK

      • Polish Pride

        don’t be so na├»ve There has been nothing to indicate that we need to be surveilled.

        • Euan Ross-Taylor

          Yet.

        • Muffin

          dont be so paranoid, there is nothing to indicate that the past spying has been a problem.

          • Polish Pride

            suggest you look into the practices in countries where this type of legislation has been deployed in the past if you think I am being paranoid and there is plenty to indicate that spying in the past by surveilling all citizens has been a problem. Just take a look at countries where this has been done in the past 100 years.

          • Muffin

            like NZ, they been spying here a while by the sound of it.

            Not sure my meta data was being looked at 50 years ago….. or even 20.

          • Polish Pride

            those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

        • GazzW

          Go take a look around the streets of Mt Roskill and Mt Albert.

          • OT Richter

            Can you elaborate on that?

          • GazzW

            Sure thing OT. Those two suburbs have a high proportion of immigrants & refugees from ‘at risk’ countries comparative to other parts of Auckland. There are likely to be similar suburbs in Wellington and Ch’ch for all I know. Given their inconsistent track record I’m not convinced that every suspect has been weeded out by our immigration authorities and while the potential exists for even one terrorist to reside in NZ we need an efficient security agency.

    • Muffin

      Also I didn’t notice them spying on me already, did you? Did anyone you know?

      • Get a grip

        Had a grear laugh! I think that the whole Idea of spying is that you dont know they are doing it!!! So your question is a bit lame as you/me/we dont know what the spys are doing!

        • Muffin

          also makes it difficult to complain about as well, and hard to say it causes you harm, outrage etc, Im just really not fussed.

    • Donovan Jackson

      I could care less if any government spied on me, because I haven’t anything to hide. They’ll find a few peccadilloes, sure, but nothing of any interest to them. Go right ahead, I say.

      • Random66

        Absolutely, however I would appreciate it if they would let me know if my teenagers were up to anything they shouldn’t be :-)

      • Polish Pride

        Wake up – In the US they have been wire tapping and targeting emails of politicians and high court judges. Why would they need to do that. Have a real hard think on this one and think about the state of US politics.
        This is the same sort of thing that was done in a certain country that I won’t mention the name of in the late 30’s. It wasn’t ok then. It’s not ok now. Perhaps next they’ll be trying to bring in the ability to detain you indefinitely without trial just like the US, and you’ll probably go That’s ok I have nothing to hide. All it takes is the wrong people in government to start abusing those powers..then what are you going to do. Nothing. Then its too late. Wakeup!

        • Donovan Jackson

          Godwin’s Law, introduced obliquely. Think it was something to do with Poland in those 1930s, too…

          • Polish Pride

            perhaps I was talking about Italy and Mussolini. I don’t see how you can have an effective debate on this particular topic without setting Godwins Law to one side though.

          • Donovan Jackson

            hehe, good comeback with the Musso. However, it would be astoundingly naive to think governments everywhere don’t do this sort of thing already. If they prevent one terrorist attack as a consequence (for example) they have my OK.

        • AnonWgtn

          So have China for many years and they are better at it than USA.

          Every time you use Facebook, Twitter, Microsoft, Apple, Yahoo, and all the other Huawei type products you are under scrutinee. Don’t forget Amazon and Trade Me and all the sales programmes.

          • Polish Pride

            So that makes it all ok then?

        • They had the internet in Poland in the 1930s? Wow and here was me thinking that Al Gore invented it.

          • Polish Pride

            better technology, same practice.

      • Get a grip

        and when they take away some of your freedoms based on something you have innocently done in the past. Will you still be so happy?
        Ie did you ever smack your children under the old law. Under the new law you are a child abuser

        • Donovan Jackson

          If I have broken laws in the past which have an effect on national security, I should expect to be held to account. Your example of ‘you are a child abuser’, chappie, I can assure you, is the sort of peccadillo that national security would have no time for nor interest in.

          DISCLAIMER: by no means am I a child abuser. Just to make that abundantly clear.

    • AngryTory

      Labour is a communist party – a Labour government is simply illegitimate by definition in a capitalist country.

  • Elitist Tory

    The only good Hun is a dead Hun – you would think we had learnt that lesson by now after flanders field.

  • cows4me

    What the fuck is wrong with National, is Key a lover of freedom or a sock puppet for the imperialist Americans? I voted for a government that would protect property rights, up hold the rule of law, treat all equal and basically run the country, roads, ports, etc. I didn’t vote for some bullshitting politicians that would happily spy on their own people at the bequest of higher powers. I can’t believe the mindless sheep that baa on cue because they have “nothing to hide”. May I kindly suggest you study some history, step by step. As for trying to save us from acts of terror, oh fucking please, the terror will come when your every move and utterance is watched but hay you have nothing to hide do you

    • Euan Ross-Taylor

      No I don’t.

      • cows4me

        Not at the moment you don’t.

        • Euan Ross-Taylor

          But I’m sure there are plenty who at the moment who do.

          • cows4me

            You are probably right. This argument is like governance to the lowest common denominator. So there are some bad bastards in the world so the default setting is to treat us all like bad bastards now. If you give up your freedoms for security yea shall have neither. I think you should really think about this, if not for yourself then you children and grandchildren.

      • Mr_V4

        Why is your facebook profile not public then?

        • Euan Ross-Taylor

          So is your argument that the GCSB will make your private information public?

          • Mr_V4

            I am ridiculing you telling us you have nothing to hide.

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            I have nothing to hide from the GCSB. This law has nothing to do with exposing private information into the public arena.

          • Mr_V4

            How do you know you have nothing to hide from the GCSB when we don’t know what they are looking for?
            Indeed not even appearing at the committee hearing to explain why they need the new powers.

  • johnbronkhorst

    As far as I can tell. The law changes will make what has always been standard practice.. LEGAL ie GCSB lending tech support to other agencies. Making those agencies job’s easier and more effective. Labour, greens and dot dick head, are calling it “spying” because in the labour/greens camp they want to make political capital out of it. In dot dick heads case, involving himself in NZ politics and law making delays his extradition case.

  • Polish Pride

    Let me give you fellas a scenario to ponder.

    Labour/Green Govt gets into power.

    They decide Whaleoil has too much traction and too much influence for their liking.

    They direct the GCSB to do a little spying on Cam (and maybe Trav, Pete and co).

    They find a little bit of dirt.

    Or maybe they don’t, maybe they get someone to load some objectionable material onto his computer. Then get the GCSB to do a little snooping.

    GCSB finds objectionable material and contact the police.

    Police obtain a search warrant and take his computer

    They turn it into some trumped up charge (as has happened many many times in the states)

    Media frenzy enues

    Cams reputation is destroyed

    He gets put away and is out of the picture.

    Job done.

    You need to wake up. Historically this sort of legislation has most often be used for silencing political dissidents.
    If you think that this will be used for terrorists you are only fooling yourselves.

    • Euan Ross-Taylor

      Sounds a bit like what my ex did to me PP, and she didn’t need the GCSB. Managed it all by herself.

      • 4077th

        I think mine must work for GCSB she knows every fucking move I make before I make it.

        • Kendall

          B be crazy

        • johnbronkhorst

          NO she’s psychic, it developes the longer she is with you.

          • Kendall

            Is that why she now gives spiritual healing to strangers

      • Polish Pride

        :)
        Ouch – that is something that you and I have in common .

        • Kendall

          And many more of us

          • Whafe

            and me :D

      • 4077th

        My time is coming I’m sure. I think the time I spend in the garage will become far more permanent if I continue with my petrol head ways.

        • Kendall

          I thought it was reloading ammunition that got me, turns out that it was the milkman while I was away defending freedom

    • tarkwin

      Will a tin foil hat protect me?

      • Polish Pride

        Not this time, but keep wearing one as there’s plenty of other things it will protect you from. I hear its good for cancer causing radiation from powerlines and cellphone towers, so be sure to put it on whenever you go outside :)

    • 4077th

      You certainly have a point PP and no doubt this sort of thing has happened. The point is it already does to a greater or lesser degree. The freedoms you speak of were lost the moment the internet started.

      • Polish Pride

        Yes but what is being proposed is a step too far. Especially in this country.

        • 4077th

          If it stops another Sgt Shultz from turning up on our shores I am fine with it. The real question is would it have stopped Eli Cara and Uriel Kelman or Dominique Prieur and Alain Mafart..? I think this amendment goes some way toward it.

          • Polish Pride

            It won’t, they were sent by a foreign government.

    • johnbronkhorst

      Under this law they can’t…..without a judges WARRANT!!!!!
      Also the house intellegence committee is reported to regarding these matters, ie opposition parties are told. Also the facts, (not necessarily the specifics) are subject to OIA .

      • Polish Pride

        Under the previous Law they couldn’t even do that but they still carried out surveillance on 80 New Zealanders illegally. You have far too much trust in the Govt John. If this was Labour in power doing this I doubt you’d be so ok with it.

  • AngryTory

    Free speech is speech that promotes Freedom – like Whale oil.

    Speech that promotes communism – like the Standard, HandMirror, Unions, Greens, etc is simply not free speech.

    It should be obvious that the government of any free country wants to protect the institutions of that country. It is common sense the government will spy and work to disrupt organisations promoting economic terrorism (unions, labour), enviornmental terrorism (Greens, Greenpeace), racial terrorism (Taame’s Army, the MK in South Africa, the IRA), religions terrorism, etc etc.

  • williamabong

    Take the fat kraut to the airport, put him on a plane to the US, the ring American authorites and tell them there an early Xmas present on its way.
    Problem solved and good riddance.

    • Sponge

      So long as I don’t have to sit next to the fat cunt.

  • Patrick

    My god I hope Key is clean on this one, it has the smell of previous issues where it has turned out he was not entirely truthful. Last thing I want to see is the fat German getting one over Key, high time Fritz was in the USA eating burgers & getting dealt to from behind by Bubba at San Quinton.

    • Euan Ross-Taylor

      No chance, He had his platform with all the cameras on him and the opposition MPs hovering to make known his bombshell. Key very confidently rebutted with something like “I know that you don’t know”.

      • Troy

        And that rebuttal is quite an important one too. Somehow I can’t see Key being silly enough to, on TV and in front of other politicians tell lies – who would do that seriously?

        • Pissedoffyouth

          Winston

          • Travis Poulson

            This is who:

    • Kendall

      But really will that make any material difference to his extradition?

  • tarkwin

    I’m too scared to go to the pub in Whangarei anymore. Way too many cameras out there watching me stagger around. Tell me PP, should they be banned as well?

    • Polish Pride

      Don’t see why but definitely don’t want to have what the UK has

      • tarkwin

        Been to Manchester, looks more like Islamabad. At least they don’t drink.

  • 4077th

    That pic would make a great caption contest. I would start with: WTF, did that fat german just call me red?

    • Kendall

      Or “seriously is this guy for real”

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