Has Chris Trotter ever heard of Godwin’s Law?


From Wikipedia:

Godwin’s law (also known as Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin’s Law of Nazi Analogies) is an assertion made by Mike Godwin in 1990 that has become an Internet adage. It states: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitlerapproaches1.” In other words, Godwin said that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis.

Although in one of its early forms Godwin’s law referred specifically to Usenetnewsgroup discussions, the law is now often applied to any threaded online discussion, such as forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, and has been invoked for the inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches. The law is sometimes invoked prescriptively to mark the end of a discussion when a Nazi analogy is made, with the writer who made the analogy being considered to have lost the argument.

Chris Trotter has well and truly lost the argument before it even began with this tosh this morning.

The National Party-led Government’s dramatic reform of New Zealand’s social welfare system marks an ominous turning-point in the country’s history. Never before has the state been willing to satisfy so completely the most punitive, the cruellest and the most nakedly sociopathic impulses of its wealthiest citizens.  

The people behind these reforms know that there are simply not enough jobs to socially integrate the tens-of-thousands of “jobseekers” currently registered on the MSD’s books. And yet, they have no intention of following the example set by previous New Zealand Governments, in which the state itself provided the jobs so necessary to people’s health and wellbeing.

What they propose to do, instead, is force as many jobseekers as possible off the MSD’s books. They will achieve this objective by turning the experience of being on the MSD’s books into a nightmare of bureaucratic harassment and social stigmatisation.

Before the rest of New Zealand could accept such callous brutalisation, however, the National Party-led Government had first to transform welfare beneficiaries into useless and undeserving sub-humans. Their poverty had to be presented as the consequence of their own lack of application and self-discipline. They had to become idle ingrates: drug addicts and criminals; totally unworthy of decent people’s respect or compassion.

And now, because it is not made up of monsters, and for the sake of their hapless children, the Government is insisting that these creatures somehow be “persuaded” to turn their lives around. This time, however, the persuasion is not going to involve the use of carrots. This time the MSD is going to use a stick.

And, just as they were in Germany 75 years ago, the doctors are being asked to help. We must hope that Kiwi physicians turn out to be less enthusiastic social-engineers.

Lindsay Mitchell rightly attacks Trotter.

There have been a couple of on-line polls  this week showing most people support the welfare reforms. To my mind there are a number of reasons why and I’ll post about that later. But the average person is comfortable with work expectations and social obligations of the kind they regularly meet themselves. And those beneficiaries who genuinely cannot support themselves will continue to receive the same assistance from the state.

So Chris Trotter’s  diatribe this morning is a hysterical and offensive over-reaction. The targets of it should make an official complaint.

But think on this. The constant theme from the ‘left’ is the ‘right’ bashes beneficiaries. Listen, any beneficiary that read his column would feel wretched afterwards.

I fail to see how stopping people stealing from taxpayers is beneficiary bashing…to say it is like Trotter and Jacinda Ardern are is saying those people are “entitled” to steal from taxpayers.

Good luck running that argument Chris and Jacinda during next year’s election campaign.


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  • PlanetOrphan

    I used to think “those freakin bludgers” etc, especially when I saw some freakin Dogg sitting on his arse clainimg a benifit so he could fit into the appropriate socioeconomic group.

    But when I actually thought about it the only ones on the dole that didn’t deserve it were those Freakin DOGGS M8!

    Everyone knew who they were, everyone hated them for being the absolute bludgers they are and now people who truly deserve a benefit are being tortured because of a bunch of SCABBING DOGGS.

    IMO :-)

  • blokeintakapuna

    Trotter has the trots… in his mouth, of the verbal and splattery kind – like after a nasty vindaloo! I bet his food tastes like bull shit too!

    The point he misses out is the genuine cases will still receive the same assistance they do now. The thieving, fraudsters will be made to pay every last cent back – and rightly so! Theft is theft is theft you dickhead Trotter! ..and the thousand’s who “outed themselves” by coming off benefits they weren’t entitled to only demonstrates that they not only knew they were in the wrong, but also that they thought they could get away with it – so did. Unfortunately for them, but fortunately for all of NZ Inc, NZ has a National government not a Labour government… and not a Labour government in the next 12 years or so…

    …and having a government “create” jobs like when Comrade Auntie terrorised NZ, only causes the productive sector to incur more costs at lower productivity levels competing for the same talent pool. ALL government paid employees are NOT nett tax payers – yep, some are essential like nurses, firemen, police, but increasing the number of “analysts” for a Labour government doesn’t do any good for NZ Inc overall.
    Trotter – hand in your man card, your press pass and spend the weekend face palming yourself until it hurts!

  • cows4me

    Oh cry me a fucking river. Trotters crowd has had decades of welfarism to mollycoddle the masses and what do we get? Just more of the fucking same but in greater volumes. Your side has tried and failed miserably, look at all the outcomes, they get worse by the day. Your philosophies belong on the shit pile. You claim no work exists, rubbish. People in work create work for others, stop apologising for the feckless. But your real fear is not for the unemployed or for those in poverty, your fear is that welfare reform will work and dinosaurs like yourself will be consigned to history where they belong.

  • Anonymouse Coward

    The upper classes had better be careful that they don’t destroy social cohesion and drive the underclass to become socially aware. Peasant revolts can be nasty things and challenge the upper classes assumptions about their own access to the means of production.

    By all means harry the indolent to make a contribution to society, but be careful the idea that benefit changes are the upper classes waging the class war doesn’t gain currency.

    • cows4me

      “The upper classes”, priceless. I take it someone is upper class in this country if they make over $60,000. It’s always government to the lowest common denominator in this country, where continually those that strive must be brought down to the desired level. Class war, oh please.

    • Mostly_Harmless

      Peasants work.

  • OT Richter

    Cam – your closing statement links Trotter’s diatribe to the 3,000 beneficiaries that got busted for benefit fraud. Trotter’s BS relates to the recent, wider welfare reforms.

  • peterwn

    I reckoned he lost the plot and was reduced to waffling to meet his deadline. Brian Rudman seems to have a similar issue judging by some of his articles. The lefties keep banging on about there being insufficient jobs as if any unemployed person had zilch chance of landing a job. No mention of employers who find it very difficult to recruit appropriate workers – ie not on drugs.

  • LabTested

    Trade me is showing 13,367 job listings. Now of course some of those jobs might not be in the same suburb as you & some of those jobs might require that you up-skill. But there are 13,367 opportunities for someone unemployed

    • Time For Accountability

      Both my children:

      Educated themselves.

      Sought out appropriate jobs they educated themselves towards.
      Got the first jobs they applied for
      Are highly thought of by their employers.

      Nothing to do with me – they did it themselves.
      I do not listen to the “there are no jobs” brigade for one second.

      When one was working to support the university costs – the boss took her aside and said “Can i ask if your parents are self employed” – yes – He said it shows.

      They don’t winge and complain, just meet lifes challenges head on, and never expect that anyone owes them anything rather they see benefits (No not the govt ones) are something they enjoy earning.

      It is all about attitude and getting off ones arse.

  • Agent BallSack

    I prefer Internet rule #34

    • OT Richter

      Trotter midget bukkake.

  • Phil

    I’m sure this has been noted plenty of times before, but her comments are ironic given her name is Trotter

  • thor42

    “No jobs”, Trotter? BULLSHIT!

    Why do orchardists have to bring in people from Fiji to pick their fruit?

    Why do farmers have to bring in Filipinos to work on farms?

    Why is it that Filipinos are also being brought in by the busload to work on the Christchurch rebuild?