Media collusion in Zimmerman witch-hunt

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Now that George Zimmerman has been found not guilty we can look at the role of the media, of Barack Obama and some celebrities in the witch-hunt to ‘get’ George Zimmerman.

Some of the media manipulation is astonishing.

It all started with the anchor of a major television network (Al Sharpton) inserting himself in the story to spread division and hate; it continued straight through to the closing days of the trial when another major news network, desperate to keep a fabricated racial narrative alive, propagated the portrayal of Zimmerman as part of a racial group that doesn’t exist — the “white Hispanic.”

In-between, there has been an astonishing amount of malicious fraud and lies, all in an effort to serve a president, stir racial hatred, and influence the justice system. 

Here are some examples:

March 27, 2012 – NBC News Edits 911 Audio to Make Zimmerman Look Racist

On the storied Today Show, NBC News told America Zimmerman said this on the 911 call:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.

When the truth is that the unedited audio actually went like this:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

After the fraudulent editing was discovered by the New Media (first by Breitbart News), former NBC News president Steve Capus would claim that the edit was “a mistake and not a deliberate act to misrepresent the phone call.”

Eventually, several NBC producers would be fired (without being named), and Zimmerman would file a lawsuit against NBC; it remains unresolved.

This is the sort if media manipulation we are starting to see in New Zealand where ‘journalists’ are inserting themselves into the news. Just check out the Twitter accounts of ‘journalists’ as they show all their prejudice and bias to the world. It is this sort of thing that is turning people off mainstream media.

 


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  • Justsayn

    Usual media outlets are finding that simply reporting the facts means they are hours behind the internet based media – they are reporting old news. In an attempt to rating viewership / readership they seldom report the news, they commentate on it. Their opinions, and the profile of the people expressing them, has become far more important that accurate and balanced reporting.

    I cannot see it changing. At most we might get to a place where a newspaper’s online content is more facts and reporting, but their print is more opinion and commentary / where TV has fact and reporting based news updates, but their main news show is a mix of reporting and commentary.

    The scary bit is that sometimes they do not make it clear which is which, and some people take it hook line and gumboot.

  • Blue Tim

    Well done Whale. I don’t expect to see/hear any of this on One, 3, ZB or Live

  • Mr_Blobby

    Having watched as much of the morning news as I can on an empty stomach. The bias has continued unabated.

    To be fair our news, is really just regurgitated propaganda from the US news networks.

    I don’t really expect actual news reporting, and treat it as such.

  • rusty

    Even here the media refer to Zimmerman as the “man who shot an unarmed boy”. Of course a more accurate version would be the “man who shot a violent assailant with known gang connections” but that doesn’t fit with their per-conceived liberal PC viewpoint.

    • Yeah, they tend to leave out the fact that Martin beat the snot out of Zimmerman first (which is why Zimmerman was successfully able to use the self-defence argument).
      Also they tended to show photos of a 12 year old Martin, not the 17 year old Martin.

      • Meg

        Did the kid use the bag of lollies to shot with?

        • pukakidon

          Meg, I think you have been mixing skittles, Sweet fruit punch and a codeine based medicine, as you sound very aggressive and your words make little sense.

          • Meg

            No thanks, drugs are not my thing.

          • Muffin

            Nope but stupidity is.

          • Meg

            No, that would be the realm of those supporting a murderer.

          • Tom

            That’s good news, I wouldn’t want you to lose your crayons

    • Meg

      Yes because in your world carrying a bag of lollies and being black makes a child a prime target to be murdered by a gun toting scumbag.

      • johnbronkhorst

        That just happen to be 2 ingredients (when mixed with codeine) of a drug called “lean” that Martin admitted on face book, he was using!!!

        • Meg

          And did he use this bag to shoot at Zimmerman did he? Or hit him with?

          No. He was murdered for being black.

          • johnbronkhorst

            BULLSHIT!!! He was shot for hitting Zimmerman, knocking him to the ground , breaking his nose, standing over him while driving his head into the concrete (which could have killed Zimmerman).

          • Meg

            Yes, despite all the evidence that is not what happened.

          • johnbronkhorst

            You were there then?…The ADULT eye witness reported this, the evidence of the gunshot wound shows this to be true, BUT of course YOU know better!!!

          • Meg

            Back at ya. Were you there?

          • johnbronkhorst

            I read and researched the evidence…you however didn’t!! This much is obvious!

          • Meg

            LMAO, so that is a no then. You saw nothing and have relied on the information YOU have decided was correct as opposed to all the information presented.

            Thank you for being honest.

          • johnbronkhorst

            Still a pratt then……….The EVIDENCE….yes EVIDENCE…and ALL the eye witness accounts say Martin was the aggressor.

          • Meg

            Well that is far from true, but then I can see you are channelling Ann Coulter so there will be no presenting facts to you on this.

          • johnbronkhorst

            You have presented NO FACTS at all, only statements that are at odds with ALL the evidence presented!!!

          • Meg

            Yes, all the evidence that was put out there which discounts Zimmerman’s argument are just allll made up.

            ALL the evidence presented points to Zimmerman as a murderer. I wonder if US law allows for the prosecution to appeal to the State Supreme Court and and Supreme Court.

          • johnbronkhorst

            Just because YOU say so???
            ALL yes ALL the evidence points to Martin attacking Zimmerman, Zimmerman shot him to prevent himself being killed. The prosecution, withheld evidence as to the character and history of Martin. The defence did not with hold anything!

          • Meg

            No, all the evidence does not point to Zimmerman being attacked. Zimmerman followed this teen when he was told not to. He shot him. Zimmerman is a murderer.

          • That has actually all been proven to be false Meg, you really ned to catch up on this.

          • Meg

            False eh, if FIX news says so then I guess it must be true….

            Tui anyone.

          • Macca

            Jeez JB, I thought you would have realized that trying to have a rational discussion with anyone from the left is like the proverbial brick wall! I do admire your efforts though!

          • wikiriwhi

            When you produce evidence the middle class won’t read it saying they too busy

          • Actually that is exactly hat happened, stop getting your news from the Huffington Post Meg.

          • Meg

            I get my news from a range of outlets, not just FIX News like most on here.

          • Muffin

            Evidence did show this that’s why he’s free. Please refer to my comment regarding your stupidity above

          • Meg

            No he is free because of the jury, not because he is not a murderer.

          • wikiriwhi

            Yes,Zimerman was protecting himself. He shot in self defence. Ironically, a Florida black woman was jailed for 20 years for firing a warning shot against an intruder on her property. Hmmm

            http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/

  • peterwn

    My take on this sort of thing. Some white trash wanker in USA with a handgun tells a negro to ‘freeze’ in a public street in daylight when there is no risk of harm.

    What should the negro do? Obey an illegal ‘order’, or tell white trash where to stick it.

    White trash then shoots negro then bleats he feared for his life, he is only witness, and assume there is insufficient forensic evidence to show that there was not a threatening situation.

    Using NZ self defence law as an example (US state self defence laws would be fairly similar), he would argue self defence and that the response was reasonable (considering the negro could have had a handgun too).

    OK, scenario is emotionally charged, but that is to help make the point about the dilemma of self defence laws. And why people should not be allowed to have or carry handguns in ordinary circumstances.

    Police shooting in London several years ago was similar situation. Police officers following a callout assumed wrapped up table leg was a gun, feared for peoples’ safety and shot the alleged ‘offender’ who was quite innocent. CPS considered there was no case to answer because of self defence despite the file going like a yoyo between Surrey Police (independent investigators) and CPS.

    So, quite a dilemma.

    • RightNow

      I must have missed where there was some “white trash” involved. I read a Hispanic shot an African American.

      • peterwn

        My scenario was not based on this case (which seemed touch and go) – it was loosely based on an incident some years back, Sorry for the confusion.

        Many ‘self defence’ cases look pretty bleak for the defendant when initally reported but there is often good reason for the defence..

        There is a self defence type trial looming involving a stabbing – this will be an interesting one.

        • johnbronkhorst

          Bull shit, you are using an analogy to describe this case.

          • Tom

            Hah! Good call JB

      • Agent BallSack

        News media are describing Zimmerman as a ‘white hispanic racist’

        • Meg

          Sounds accurate.

          • johnbronkhorst

            Dick head…Martin was the only racist here….calling Zimmerman…a “cracker”.

            Zimmerman has a good record
            Mentors young black people in his neighbourhood etc etc.

          • Meg

            Oh it’s the “I have black friends so I can’t be” argument.

            I can tell you he will not be mentoring any black kids now. Their parents will be too scared they won’t come home.

            Rightly so too.

          • johnbronkhorst

            PRATT!!!!!

          • Meg

            How cute. Is that from your word a day calendar?

    • johnbronkhorst

      Wrong on ALL counts.
      He was HISPANIC
      It was night
      It was raining
      It was a gated community (ie PRIVATE PROPERTY)
      Martin was the aggressor (he was on top and pummelling Zimmerman)
      As for London …not even close to the same thing!!!!

    • flashman

      I think the case you’re referring to was that of Harry Stanley in 1999. It shows just how hard armed response units’ decisions can be to make. But he was hardly quite innocent.

      From the UK Metropolitan Police web site:

      “He had, in fact, been drinking in a series of pubs that day. And his behaviour in the last of them was anything but gentle. He actually frightened the bar staff and other customers to such an extent that, when he left, they locked the doors and turned out all the lights, in addition to phoning the police to warn of the suspected firearm. It has been implied that it was careless, if not negligent, of the armed officers who responded to the call to mistake the chair leg which he was carrying concealed in a blue plastic bag for a shotgun when, ignoring a warning, he swivelled towards them and pointed the object. Yet a lawyer representing Harry Stanley’s family also mistook one for the other when they were presented as evidence – even though this was in the calm, quiet, ordered atmosphere of an inquest and he was under no pressure to make an instant decision”.

  • wikiriwhi

    Whale thinks someone is innocent….. hmmmmm

    • Tom

      Monique thinks you’re dumb

      • Nechtan

        Doesn’t think, Monique knows

        • steve and monique

          Monique says you are dumb.

  • Agent BallSack

    Regardless of the outcome of the case, this is the only outcome that really matters. Florida law allows for killing in self defense if you feel threatened for your life, which Zimmerman did.

    • johnbronkhorst

      Dawinism of the gruesome kind!

    • Agent BallSack

      Hardly the 17 year old innocent boy they are portraying Trayvon as.

      • Agent BallSack

        ooops this was supposed to go on there.

        • Bunswalla

          Thanks ABS – should definitely be shot on sight. Teenagers giving the finger to their webcam? How very dare they!

          • Agent BallSack

            Context Buns. If you google image search Trayvon you will see him pulling double birds, posing with guns all of which start painting a picture of a troubled black teen. Its an innocent enough picture until you start thinking he’s 17 is using hillbilly heroin hes tattooed with gang insignia….he’s not quite the innocent that Obama and his apologists would have us believe.

          • Mr_V4
          • Agent BallSack

            Betcha they have gun licenses, knob.

          • Mr_V4

            1) Learn to appreciate a joke.

            2) For the millionth time there was no trespassing involved! For the simple reason it was not private property. If you took the slightest amount of time to view the evidence (ie a map) where he walked between two buildings is a logical shortcut.

            3) Was he lurking around, walking too slowly, walking fast or running. The only facts are he was walking while on the phone, everything else is “Zimmerman says”.

            It seems whatever he did would be deemed to be ‘suspicious’.

      • Meg

        Yet he was innocent when he was murdered.

    • Meg

      Because he is a racist. All black people are a threat to people like him.

      • johnbronkhorst

        Me mentors young black people and has NO history of racism. Martin on the other hand….!!!!

        • Meg

          Me being…….. you?

          • johnbronkhorst

            Dick head!!!! I will edit for the terminally stupid!

          • Meg

            In other words you fucked up your post.

            It is ok.

          • johnbronkhorst

            PRATT

          • Meg

            Apology accepted.

  • johnbronkhorst

    I have been burgled, I have caught young people in the back yard of my neighbours house, while they were on holiday, in the middle of the night (after midnight), they claimed to be “looking at the view”. I told them to FUCK OFF, fortunately both of them did!!…Sound familiar?

  • steve and monique

    Media telling the truth,Yeah right.

  • johnbronkhorst

    To steal from “Bazar” on yesterdays post.

    If you want to get some FACTS, and make your own judgement take a look at this video:

    • Mr_V4

      There is nothing substatially factual in that video:
      a) How many times does the guy say “Zimmerman says”
      b) Tox. reports at autopsy show no evidence of the ‘alleged’ drug use.

  • Meg

    Zimmerman is a murderer pure and simple.

    • johnbronkhorst

      If there had been no gun……..who would be the murderer?
      Without a gun it would be Zimmerman who would be dead, beaten to death using a concrete pavement!!!

      • Meg

        Given Zimmerman has been called a liar on that account there would have been no murder at all.

        • johnbronkhorst

          Zimmerman’s story is backed up by an independent EYE WITNESS!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Meg

            Yes, a kid.

            And there is ample evidence showing that Zimmerman was not attacked and targeted the teen, and was the aggressor. And almost no evidence to show Zimmerman was the victim.

          • johnbronkhorst

            Kid my ass…it was one of Zimmerman’s neighbours…a grown man in his 30’s-40’s I would say!!!!
            If Zimmerman attacked Martin, why, besides the gunshot, are there absolutely NO MARKS on Martin’s body, anywhere!!! Only Zimmerman displays signs of assault, which is backed up by the ADULT eye witness!!!!!!

          • Meg

            And yet there is far more evidence that disputes Zimmerman’s account and proves he is a murderer and the white jury let him off.

            The teen was being followed, the 111 call, the cops telling Zimmerman to back off and do nothing… on and on and on.

          • johnbronkhorst

            So what!!! It is Zimmerman (undisputed, except by idiots like you) that was attacked, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE to suggest Zimmerman attacked anyone. he was attacked, he defended his life against what has turned out to be a known gang affiliate, suspended from school for cannabis possession, had cannabis in his blood steam (autopsy report) violent young man called Travon Martin!

          • Meg

            A rather large chuck of the planet disputes that Zimmerman was attacked, but as you wish.

            Travon was murdered.

          • johnbronkhorst

            The largest part of the planet thinks NO SUCH THING. So stating here, by you, is meaningless drivel!!!

          • Meg

            Whatever you say Ann.

          • Peter Jenkins

            Actually there were marks on Martin’s body – all on his fists/knuckles from where he had been hitting Zimmerman

    • Tom

      Apart from that whole being found not guilty thing…

      • Meg

        Yes amazing what a white jury in america will let slide when the victim is black.

        • grumpy

          Not all the jury was white, but they were all female.

          • Meg

            Oh sorry there was the one black guy.

            I think his name was Token.

          • grumpy

            Idiot. They were all female, not all were white but they all agreed – Not Guilty.
            Now wait for the civil actions. News Media, the State Attorney etc. all lined up with their lies and cheating exposed.

          • Meg

            Yes I am sure they all agreed, This is America after all.

            I hope the Federal Attorney gets involved as they have hinted at and charges Zimmerman in some way. I hope Zimmerman is hounded by civil suits and is shit scared for the rest of his life. That is not the justice he deserves for what he did, but it is getting there.

          • Roustabout

            You want to be careful, Meg. Your humanistic and forgiving leftist compassion is slipping. One might suspect you are no better than your portrayal of Zimmerman with comments like that.

          • Meg

            He is a murderer and should be treated as such. But in the my right to have a gun and kill things USA he got off. He would have been locked up if it happened in Europe or here.

          • johnbronkhorst

            The jury, true in NZ too, is questioned member by member, by both the defence and the prosecution. Both have the chance to accept or reject each member. They BOTH agreed that this was the RIGHT jury!!!

        • Tom

          Numbnut, the defendant was Hispanic, and also not guilty.

          • Meg

            Who cares if he is Hispanic. What has that got to do with him murdering a teenager?

          • Tom

            Who cares that the jury was white? Should we ban white juries?

          • Meg

            The jury should reflect the community. Not the KKK.

          • Tom

            Lay off the electric puha

          • Meg

            While that might be your thing, I am not into drugs in any way.

        • Bafacu

          I’m amazed that you can post so many times on the one topic and provide ZERO facts. You keep making assertions but nowhere do you substantiate any valid argument. I assume that your version is more correct than the adult eye witness because …..?

          • Meg

            The facts are in the media, the facts are in the court records, Hell the Federal Government think the jury got it wrong seeing as they are looking for ways to charge Zimmerman at a Federal level.

            But by all means, ignore the facts.

          • Tired

            “The facts are in the media”

            Top lel.

            You’re a right mong, Meg/teachersrock/spunkburper

        • pukakidon

          Man ban on the jury was there Meg?

          • Meg

            Very much so.

    • steve and monique

      Do you believe David Bain is innocent.

      • Meg

        Nope.

        • steve and monique

          So you have not been fooled by the media then,

          • Meg

            The media I saw reported it and did not push one way or the other.

            Too many on here see things in the media that do not exist.

          • steve and monique

            I guess that allows you your opinion, on what you see regards this Zimmerman deal. It will be a case of reasonable doubt,and the jury went with the evidence at hand. Same can be said of the Bain case. There seems to be two view points regards him being a murderer or not. Has this been helped by creative use of the media. Could be,but who knows.

    • Jimmie

      And Meg is a one eyed moron pure and simple.

      • Meg

        LMAO, how cute.

        • johnbronkhorst

          No you are a racist pratt that believes everyone who is black must be a victim or innocent in some way!!! You like Obama, introduce racism into the equation where there was none!

          • Meg

            As usual you are wrong.

            Ahhhhhh, the ‘O’ word, How revealing.

    • You are the kind of person that Joe Karam relies on to peddle his bullshit theories that David Bain didn’t kill his entire family

      • Meg

        And yet if you look above my comments show how wrong you are.

      • Mr_V4

        Zimmerman says = David says

  • philbest
  • Pharmachick

    Okay, I feel a need to comment here (and I believe that 13 years stateside might give me a modicum of insight)… sorry this might be tl;dr

    1) In the USA when breaking down ethnicity, even for Federal (national) Census, NIH, NHHS or CDC there are two categories of “White” … “White” or “White, Hispanic”. I know that Kiwis use “Caucasian” for this category, but the epidemiologists and sociologists in America have negated “Caucasian” as an [outwardly] racial category since “Caucasian” semantically means a person from the Caucasus (mostly the “-istans” is a good way of generalizing the geographical region [and yes, generalizing, is seldom a good thing] ). Therefore, most Caucasians are mongoloid/asian in outward appearance. Hence the general racial categories on any form in the USA are as follows: African American, Asian, Native American, Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander, White or White Hispanic.

    2) In most states except LA, AZ, CA, CO, FL, NM, NV, TX Hispanics are a minority. In those states, hispanics a a significant part of the population that play a huge role in those state’s prosperity. To deny the role of the hispanic immigrant in 20th and 21st century America, is to ignore the many factual documents that have been posted.

    3) Hispanics (such as George Zimmerman) are generally recognized as an exploited minority in the USA, as much so as the African Americans.

    4) Florida has a very unfortunate (or very fine, depending on your POV) “Stand your Ground” law, which makes it LEGAL to use lethal force in defense on oneself or another in the face of physical violence (given that even the prosecution’s witnesses reported a “fight”, I fail to understand how this case even went to trial [not literally of course, but philosophically]. Based on the SYG law, it would have been nearly impossible to convict Zimmerman under good jury/judicial practice for “Murder”. Im not so sure about the manslaughter charge,

    5) NZ doesn’t have “gated communities”. Briefly, these are private plots of land encompassing a small suburb. You cannot just drive up to them (or round them). There is a gate, gate-house and a guard (usually armed). If you’re not a resident (with a known license plate or smart card) you will need to be placed on the “guest” list by a current resident in order to be admitted. IMHO Gated communities are an abomination, They’re an attempt to “keep those people out” and that is the mentality of people that live there. Its horrible. Even as a white, middle class woman, I have felt like a criminal trying to get admitted to an American “gated community” {and SHUDDER, all councils in NZ should immediately outlaw those]

    6) All of the above does not excuse an unarmed 17 year old boy, whether or not he was wearing hoodie and became aggressive, being gunned down in the street in a residential community, while simply walking up the footpath with a slurpee and some skittles.

    At the end of the day, I feel the USA needs to focus on gun laws such as Florida’s “Stand your ground”, not these individual cases.

    • Agent BallSack

      Nice post. I agree the SYG law is a very dubious piece of law making. Its hard to question a dead person as to who was right and wrong.

    • johnbronkhorst

      6) BULL SHIT….He was shot, while standing over a prostrate man who had been given a broken nose and had his head pounded into the pavement by this “17 year old boy” who was 158lbs, 5’11”, had been an athlete, was a known fighter!!!!
      NOT “gunned down in the street”
      As his brother (Zimmerman’s) said on CNN…Martin wasn’t unarmed, he had his fists and a concrete pavement for a weapon!

      • Pharmachick

        Johnbronkhorst…

        firstly: All of the litigants (both prosecution and defense) agreed that Trayvon Martin was, in fact; shot on a residential street. Even the Florida Attorney General did not oppose that statement (in fact it was a pillar of their argument). So he *was* by all intents and purposes, “gunned down in the street”.

        Secondly – have you ever fired a hand gun? Most Kiwis only have experience with rifles or shotguns. Very few have shot hand guns. I grew up shooting the former, I’m not a bad shot. As for the latter, I had the very great priviledge to fire some hand guns in Oregon about 18 months ago, including meeting a wonderful ex-service-person and being able to shoot their ex-service gun (which is still the same as current issue). In addition, it was a special thing that I got to shoot a precious WWII hand gun from the father of my friends wife. It was his father’s and I saw it and remarked upon it. He keeps it oiled, but hadn’t shot it for years. It is a very amazing piece of nostalgia, and I loved it for that. OTOH, I hated it for the killing it can do… and the total inaccuracy of the shot [compared to the rifles and shotguns I shoot]. Can you imagine my happiness when I realised how inaccurate and difficult handguns are? It makes the Zimmerman/Martin case so much the more tragic that Zimmerman didn’t actually hit a shoulder or hip…

        Let me tell you, I can hit skeet with a .22 (or smaller ;-) ) … and yet had trouble at <20 yards with hand guns to a target… it took me a good hour – even with 20 years training in gun sighting, to hit proper "targets" let alone cans and bottles in the middle. Zimmerman, unless he has Special Forces training, would have simply aimed for the biggest mass (as are all our police and Armed Offenders Squad taught to do in NZ)… that is usually very effective, unfortunately its also very lethal.

        I have nothing more – there are no excuses here… just much sadness and some understanding of the perverse US Gun laws.

        • Pistols are very accurate, in the hands of a person who practises with them all the time.

          When I was competition shooting pistols I would put all rounds through a 6 inch circle at 50m anytime I was at the range.

          Even after 20 years of not shooting a pistol the muscle memory is still there and recently used a Glock and put 4 mags through it, all rounds were in the X or A zone.

          • Pharmachick

            Cameron I agree with you, and I acknowledge your expertise. My point was that only certain people with gun licenses in NZ can gain good expertise in shooting accurately etc. But that usually takes a long time and to get hold of hand guns and put in time on a range. In the meantime, a lot of people in the USA can go to Walmart and buy a pistol. And my point is that the Trayvon case is more “Walmart, buy a pistol” than “NZ, learn to shoot and be serious”

          • johnbronkhorst

            What drivel!!! Martin was on top of Zimmerman, while on the ground. The shot was fired at an angle from Zimmerman’s hip! So Zimmerman took the gun out and fired it from no more than 1 foot away and next to the holster! Accuracy not required! While Zimmerman was on his back on the ground!!!

          • Pharmachick

            That is utter tosh, johnbronkhorst, and I suspect and you know it.
            For goodness’ sake, There are no reliable eye witnesses (there are at least 3 semi-witnesses that all saw “something” and they each contradict each other) and there is no CCTV or other video data.
            So this becomes, rather unfortunately; a completely “he said/he said” situation. I also understand that this situation is mitigated by a dead 17 year old… but you MUST let go of your parochial NZ-ism and at least try to understand the American history, social and political climate, including the Florida statutes in Law colloquially known as “Stand Your Ground” if you really want to be taken seriously in your comments here and not be dismissed out of hand.

          • johnbronkhorst

            Ignoring facts??? There was an ADULT eye witness, that said Martin was on top, beating Zimmerman “MMA style”!!!!

          • Mr_V4

            You can almost save your effort. I tried to get it through to him yesterday that it was not trespass, given units such as these don’t even have private backyards, its all common property but no matter what you say he has too much of the kiwi backyard mindset.

            It’s actually bizarre the whole community isn’t completely gated, as having the areas where pedestrians can walk through defeats the purpose. Likely the developers ran out of money. Common in Florida especially since 2006/07.

            https://maps.google.com/maps?q=loc:28.79295,-81.32965&hl=en&ll=28.793754,-81.332221&spn=0.001443,0.00327&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.793754,-81.332221&panoid=sxG0uaKe4uTp-lxBZEgKUQ&cbp=12,157,,0,8.72

    • Stand Your Ground was never a feature in this case, Zimmerman never used it as a defence. It is a media construct that has been highly mis-leading

      • Pharmachick

        Not overtly Cameron… but it is not mandatory to supply a negative defense under any law. Hence, SYG is enough for Zimmerman to be acquitted if there is reasonable doubt… I don’t like it, but I recognize the convoluted logic of it. Hence my (earlier) call to change the law.

      • AngryTory

        Wrong Whale. The Florida police originally obeyed the “Stand your Ground” law and did not press charges, did not even arrest. Had the judge not been a committed leftist, they would have thrown out the case before it even came to court!

    • blairmulholland

      There’s nothing wrong with gated communities. It’s just an extra bit of security, nothing more. Complaining about it is like complaining people put locks on their doors. And most of them don’t have “guard-houses” that I have seen. As for keeping “those people” out, what people? Certainly nothing to do with race – gated communities tend to have all different races living in them. The only colour you need is “green”.

      • Pharmachick

        LOL, you obviously live in NZ Blair … because next time you decided to go to the beach in California, and are halted by a “Guard Stop” to a “Gated community” how would you feel? Well that’s what happens in the USA unless the legislature *(e.g. in Hawaii) stops these people from buying land “around” a beach area in order to control the area and make beaches available for all .. That is why anyone can still use the beach in HI
        And as to you assertion about not keeping people out … I call Bollocks on that. Most of the people I know that live in gated communities have an over-inflated sense of self, are very wealthy and have a remedial (to say the least) sense of race relations

        • johnbronkhorst

          So fucking what, Martin had NO right to be where he was and do what he was doing (walking under the eaves of the houses…TRESPASSING!!!!

          • Pharmachick

            When I was a kid we used to play bull-rush in our street… across about 6 “sections” on one side of the street. All the kids came from 4 houses on 1 side of the street. The section at the south end were a couple of pensioners that used to occasionally come out and scream (really nasty) at us, the section on the north end also were a couple of pensioners, once a month or so Mrs XXX would bring us out Banana Cake. How’s that for small town NZ confusion, And what if MR South End had a gun. So Johnbronkhorst… in a genuine “neighborhood” what is trespassing?

          • johnbronkhorst

            Irrelevant nonsense! this wasn’t some kids game!!! This was a suspicious and as it turned out violent person walking in a community he didn’t belong and on other peoples property!!!
            He then attacked Zimmerman, for being a “creepy cracker” (Martins own words!!)

        • blairmulholland

          I live in Texas. I don’t know what goes on in the People’s Republic of Commiefornia. We are in no danger of running out of beaches here at least.

          My job frequently takes me into gated communities. I’ve never found any of the Hispanic, Black or White folk I encounter in those places to have a remedial sense of race relations (though there was one African American man who insisted on coming to the gate rather than giving me a gate code over the phone). Some of the people who live in shoebox apartment complexes so beloved of Leftist planners are arseholes though. That’s just my experience.

    • Mr_V4

      Very well said. It does seem that even stand your ground has it’s limitations if you are black/poor.

      http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/

      I mean seriously 20 years … !

  • IWantToBeLikeMallardOneDay

    Bonfire of the Vanities. Great book. Have a read and you’ll see the media in the US has always been like this.

  • wikiriwhi

    TYT has the evidence on Zimmerman who has a very dark past https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtcveaMUJSI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    • Alman

      The video is one view but we will never know what really happened that night and its a shame that it ended the way it did. Still doesnt tell us what caused Trayvon to end up beating up George so badly which lead to him using the gun in self defence – someone following you doesnt justify such an assault

    • Mr_V4

      Yes the points from 4:20 – 5mins were well made.

  • Mr_V4

    I agree the media manipulation is disgusting, and worse it hurt the prosecution (who were also inept).

    It brought focus onto the black v white debate, when that should not really have been a focus.

    As I was saying the other day it is true that there are both real and perceived justice issues in the USA with regard to justice in the black community, but the intelligence (or lack of) of the media discussion did not shed any new light on the situation, merely stir up more hatred from both sides.

    US must ask itself why are blacks so over represented in the criminal justice system.

    Why does the US itself have the highest percentage of its population in incarceration of all countries in the world?

    Plenty of drugs done on Wall St every night and nothing happens, but heaven forbid a black guy is caught with a bud.
    Another example:

  • Petrus

    The media – the prostitutes of the world of information.

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