Outraged Green Taliban with a case of the sad sniffles over 3 hectares

Catherine Delahunty is sobbing into her organic Fairtrade tea over Simon Bridges granting an 18 hectare mining permit, including the staggering area of  3  hectares (approx. just over 3 rugby fields) of schedule 4 land in the Coromandel.

In April 2013 Energy Minister Simon Bridges said, “I do not think there is any ambiguity in our policy. Let me say again that we have a very clear view against mining on schedule 4 land.” Yet he has recently granted an 18 hectare mining permit which includes 3 hectares of Schedule 4 land.

“Simon Bridges is misleading the public in order to advance the National Government’s mining agenda against the public’s wishes,” said Green Party mining spokesperson Catherine Delahunty.

“The Government is eroding protections for Schedule 4 against their word and against the wishes of the public.

Ms Delahunty said the permit was granted to Broken Hills Mining Company which has been operating a 5 hectare “hobby” mine. The company now wants to expand to 23 hectares approximately 5 of which are on Schedule 4 conservation land.

“This no longer qualifies as a “hobby” mine, and clearly is a business. The company sends its ore to Waihi for processing by Newmont,” said Ms Delahunty.

“We don’t have issues with Broken Hills improving safety in their mine, but it is unclear why the company need permission to access an additional 3 hectares of Schedule 4 land to do it.

“The Government shouldn’t allow Broken Hills to expand their mine to more than 4 times its size if it means going into Schedule 4 land.

“In 2010, 40,000 people marched to protect the treasured places protected in Schedule 4. The Government should honour its promise and stop granting mining permits on Schedule 4 land.” – Green Taliban HQ

What Delahunty fails to mention though is the fact that Broken Hills operates a  small scale low impact underground gold mine. 

From an article in 2010:

“There is lots of scope for more of this kind of mining which has no impact and has some very positive benefits.”

Critics might dispute the claims of “no impact”, but from the outside looking in, there is little to indicate that it is a working gold mine on protected conservation land.

Gold miner Roger Hendy said quite a few people have walked past andnever noticed anything was there.

“If people don’t even know you are there, it can’t get any more low impact than that, can it?”

“We are on conservation land which is within Section Four and we operate within the restrictions that Section Four imposes. So it’s quite clear that you can actually carry out a modest, small scale of mining within the limitations that that imposes and without any impacts.”

Hendy said the industry is scarred by people who have done the wrong thing and they are targeted as a result of this.

“To know that we are doing a good job of it is probably something that people should see.”

Rabone describes his relationship with conservation officials as constructive and open.

“It’s really a matter of mutual respect, trust and goodwill on both sides and I guess a preparedness to discuss and a preparedness to compromise.”

As for the mine’s future its special use permit runs for another five years before the miners and Department of Conservation officials again sit down. – source

Underground mine, so one would assume that is another 3 hectares with tunnels nobody will see like the rest of it? So just what IS the outrage about? No mention of any snails or frogs yet.

Go on Simon, give ’em an extra 20 hectares for good measure, the only damage done here is a few boxes of tissues.

 

 


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  • Phar Lap

    The Liebour Party channel TVNZ were all over the story on Tuesdays six o’clock excuse for unbiased news reporting.

    • Travis Poulson

      *Labia

  • Andy

    I never heard of a “hobby mine” before. Might have to start one myself, sounds like fun.

  • Agent BallSack

    Perhaps when hes finished with it we can fill it full of moaning greenies and seal the entrance. A la Indian Joe in Tom Sawyer.

  • Monty

    So the green Taliban puts a couple of trees and a couple of possums before the lives of humans. Just so everyone is clear. Possums before human. Nice one you lunitic Luddites.

  • Harry B’Stard

    This is what happens when you close the looney bins

  • johnbronkhorst

    To answer the greens question:
    “Where are the jobs?”
    HERE THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Nechtan

    The Greens have a “mining spokesperson” ? Surely a more accurate description would be anti-mining spokesperson?

  • rusty

    I have camped up at Broken Hills a few times. There is a DOC camp there, a few small trout in the river and some great walks. To DOC’s credit the walks are all based on the gold mining activities in the area. You can enter old mines, see old stamping batteries, you can even do one walk that goes 500m through an old gold mine and out the other side of a hill. In some of the old gold mines you can see the vertical shafts and in a couple of cases they are populated with cave weta’s and glow worms. A top spot.
    Apart from a locked grill gate across one mine entry you wouldn’t know they were there. There is no spill, spoil or sign of any activity. These guys have also featured on Close up a few years ago about how amazing they are wit their no impact mining. I saw that silly girl on TV last night. These guys need to get their priorities right as there is nothing to see here.

    • 12gauge

      I agree, last Christmas we took the kids up to broken hill and wnet hiking and swimming in water holes etc, we didnt even know there was a working mine there! Beautiful place, and we have already made plans to go back there and camp.

  • cows4me

    I do hope mad Cath and her legions of demented followers do not wear anything gold on their person or use any modern electronics. I would not wish to roll out the H word.

    • Dave

      No C4M she will be busy tweeting emailing and taking pictures from her smart phone, little does she realize the gold contacts, and other minerals used to make the phone.

      The day these fools throw away their phones, technology, clothing and half of the food they eat, I might take some of what they say seriously.

  • Rubyred

    If the government said there would be no mining on Schedule 4 land then there shouldn’t be. Black and white really. This is not about hugging trees or even mining itself. It’s about the government being trusted to keep their word.

    • metalnwood

      Its not on the land, its below it. When the greens get all worried that it will spoil our natural landscape and the eyesore then this solves that when no one will ever know it is there.

      If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

      Sorry but the greens objections to mining that they show to the public don’t apply to a mine that has no visual impact. So whats the real reason?

      • Polish Pride

        So what they couldn’t do the mining without using the 3 hectares of schedule 4 land? Or we have run out of land that isn’t schedule 4 land that can be mined and that’s all we have left?
        It is a matter of being able to trust the government in this elected dictatorship system we have. This is a prime example of that and what can you do? Write a letter? vote them out? Its BS there needs to be much more accountability. They are supposed to work for us as New Zealanders. It is becoming clearer and clearer that they do not.

        • rangitoto

          The mine operators say they need to construct a second exit as per OSH requirements. The feasible site for the exit is on the schedule 4

          • Polish Pride

            do you know how big 15 hectares is? So your saying they can’t build a second exit feasibly on the 15 hectares that isn’t schedule 4 land? That is BS

          • rangitoto

            You don’t know anything about the terrain or layout of the existing mine. I would rather trust the mine operators on this who have consulted with DOC about it than some Pride from the interwebs

          • Hazards001

            I know how big 15 hectares is..and I know how bloody difficult it is to build a mine entrance and portal. It will possibly come as a slight surprise to you but they don’t tend to build mines in the flat part of fucking town centres!

          • Polish Pride

            Good to see someone does. Nice to see you seeming particularly cheerful today Hazards :)

          • Hazards001

            Yeeeeeessss It vas a good day at ze zalt mines comrade

        • johnbronkhorst

          The gold is where it is!!! It won’t move to be convenient to the miners or the greens!!!

          • Polish Pride

            Tough. If its schedule 4 it should be off limits I am sure that there is plenty in the other 15 hectares that isn’t schedule 4. Again it comes down to being able to trust the government and right now they are showing they can’t be trusted. I’m sure that if this was a Labour govt saying one thing and doing the complete opposite you’d be up in arms about it. When are you going to learn It ain’t left vs right, it’s us vs them and they work for us.

          • maninblack

            you lot (greenies and pinkos) don’t mind using gold that is mined in other countries with no environmental protection. Least here it has to be done with strict rules.

          • Polish Pride

            Don’t make the mistake of thinking that because I don’t trust government and understand who they are supposed to work for I am a greenie or a pinko or blue or any other colour for that matter. Again it comes down to being able to trust the Government.
            That said I do appreciate our conservation land and have spent much time out tramping in it. Something not too many Aucklanders would know about.
            Since your all for it. How much are you getting out of it exactly……?
            Too many idiots try to frame everything as being about Right vs Left. It’s not about that, very little is.

          • metalnwood

            So without being left or right, what is your objection? Your only objection so far is because they said they wouldnt do it. Lots of times in history people changed their minds when it was prudent to do so.

            I dont believe anyone who gets up in arms and the only argument is ‘they said they wouldnt!! ‘ Thats just us and them talk. You have to have a coherent reason other than that.

            Frame your argument in some context as the 3 hectares is underground and we are talking about an exit that may occupy about 0.000001% of that land and not be used unless there is an emergency.

            is your only reason still because ‘they said they wouldnt’?

          • Polish Pride

            1st This might astound the shit out of you but wanting conservation land to remain protected doesn’t automatically make one a greenie.

            “Lots of times in history people changed their minds when it was prudent to do so.”

            Yes they have but when it comes to government and the power that we give them in our sham of a democracy. They need to be held to account and too a much higher standard.

            The fact that we don’t is part of what is wrong with our system.

            Let me ask you two things.

            1st what exactly are you getting out of this mining that can’t be delivered without the 3 hectares of schedule 4?

            Second (hypothetical) Labour Govt. comes to power saying they won’t raise your taxes. Six months later they turn around raise your taxes. They tell you they felt it was prudent to do so…..your now ok with that? Because they said they felt it was prudent to do so.

            Lastly “Thats just us and them talk.” Yes it is and the sooner people realize that in the bigger scheme of things Left vs Right doesn’t really matter and will never solve the issues that need to be solved. That it is actually about us vs them and Us holding Them to account. The better off we will all be.

          • Agent BallSack

            I agree with your view on ‘left and right’ Last I looked a bird needs 2 wings to fly and a body to power those wings. Without the body (the populace) the wings are useless. Often birds need their wings clipped to stop them flying away (in this case stupid or undemocratic policies).

          • Polish Pride

            Very good analogy. I might have to borrow that one day.
            Prefixed with a wise man on a blog once said… of course ;).

          • redeye

            So not many Aucklanders know about conservation land but they still marched to protect it eh.

          • Polish Pride

            :) Nice

          • maninblack

            what do i get- a country full a jobs, less poverty, a govt that collects tax, export dollars, better property values. etc etc All I lose is a small amount of public land, that hardly any people use. As long as the mining is done with the proper environmental protection then I really hope there is more of it.

          • BR

            You talk as if there is going to be an open cast mine on every street corner.

            Bill.

          • Polish Pride

            BR not sure how you got that from any of my posts..

          • johnbronkhorst

            Don’t be an idiot!!!
            Schedule 4 is just a line on a map!! The ecology can be damaged 6″ to the left or right of it, just as easily!!! Besides the greens and labour dramatically expanded this “marginal”conservation land, when they were in power. So by edict of parliament and politics not any actual facts, these areas were created!!

          • Polish Pride

            good to see you’ve improved from attacking the man to attacking your perception of the behavior. You just moved up a notch in the credibility stakes. Pity you missed the point completely.
            The point is about your parties credibility and if you want to see a shot at a third term then you should be concerned because there’s a number of issues right now that National can be attacked on from a credibility point of view. If they are and it gains traction you can kiss any chance of a third term goodbye.
            Now ask yourself how important is them being allowed to mine that 3 hectares of schedule 4 Land.

          • metalnwood

            Whos going to have national on about anything? Labour? They are going against their own policies three times a week and they arent even in government. Good luck with your lot.

          • Polish Pride

            “Good luck with your lot.”
            Seems like you have a lot more to learn about me.
            My lot?…….. My lot is about the people, not the government.

          • metalnwood

            You are right, I dont know anything about you, largely because you dont say anything or give too many reasons. The reason you have given most thus far is that you dont like government doing something they said they would’t do. Well they all do that. It’s why they change their minds and for what issues that matter.

          • DJ

            Serious question here.

            When land is deemed schedule 4, how deep does this apply?

            If a railway tunnell needs to pass under schedule 4 land will this be allowed? If a road tunnell needs to pass through a schedule 4 hill, will this be allowed?

            If a mine needs to follow a veign under schedule 4 land, is this to be allowed?

          • Polish Pride

            I don’t know. But all very interesting questions.

          • BR

            “Schedule 4” my arse.

            Which politicians or bureaucrats decided to designate land “Schedule 4”, and for that matter, who the hell invented “Schedule 4” anyway? Some overpaid bureaucrats or politicians I would expect.

            If it is good for the economy, dig it the hell up an sell it! If the likes of the stupid bastards who invented “schedule 4” wish to continue to be kept in the style to which they have become accustomed, they should perhaps pay a little more attention to where the money is going to come from.

            Bill.

          • Polish Pride

            There are many less invasive things that would be good for the economy that are far less destructive. It might surprise you but many people like the ability to go tramping or day hiking in our native bush and to be able to do it for free.

          • BR

            “There are many less invasive things that would be good for the economy that are far less destructive.”

            Oh I agree. For example, it would do the economy a hell of a lot of good if the likes of all the overpaid useless deadbeats who invented this “Schedule 4” nonsense were sacked from their cushy jobs forthwith. Not having to pay their salaries would offset a hell of a lot of borrowing.

            Bill.

          • BR

            “We could follow the Uruguay’s Gov’t stated intention an legalise drugs
            making them only able to be purchased from the government itself.”

            There would be very little all money in drugs if they were legalised, regardless of who the supplier is. The current high cost of illegal drugs reflects the element of risk associated with their illegality.

            Bill.

          • Polish Pride

            That’s why you make it only legal for the government to sell and set the prices at around what they are today.

          • Hazards001

            Damn right they work for us. And I expect them to start taking my best interests to heart.They can do that by increasing our economic productivity along with providing employment by being flexible and inventive not hiding behind limp wristed rules and processes written and enforced by some faceless no talent soft cock bureaucrat.

      • Bob

        If a tree falls on a green MP in a forest would anybody care?

        • OT Richter

          Depends on the tree.

  • maninblack

    She says that “against the wishes of the public”
    Well i am the “public” and i want this to happen. Its great news.

    • Rubyred

      40, 000 people cared enough to get out there and march to say they don’t agree with you.

      • metalnwood

        yeah, 40k, about 16% of all people who voted for the greens. A whole lot less than the percentage of the turnout for the general election which was not high. Come back with some credible figures please.

      • Agent BallSack

        40,000 is 1% of the population. Are you alleging the Greens are the TRUE 1%

        • metalnwood

          Dont forget, 80% of them were asking everyone else what they got texts to come and march about.

          • Travis Poulson

            They don’t call ’em rent-a-mob for nothing.

        • Polish Pride

          Like it or not Ball Sack 40,000 people protesting in this laid back country is a pretty massive statement.

          • Agent BallSack

            I think the figures are manipulated PP – where was this protest? Greens Anti-Asset petition was skewed too.

          • metalnwood

            Skewed, but only by a little bit…. I wonder how many times the greenies looked down at the petition to see the name so they could say ‘Thanks for signing Chris’ to the guy leaving that just signed ‘Christopher Columbus’.. Oblivious..

          • Polish Pride

            Queen St Auckland. It was one of the biggest protests in New Zealands history. So on this Ruby has a pretty valid point.

          • metalnwood

            Queen st is always good for protests, the students come out to see whats happening and accidentally bolster the numbers.

          • Polish Pride

            Would you be saying that if it was a cause you were behind?

          • metalnwood

            I have been a student there. I know what happens when there is a rally, march or whatever happening on queen st.

          • Polish Pride

            Doesn’t mean they didn’t believe in the cause.

          • metalnwood

            Doesnt mean they did and frequently it was just something different to do with some mates.

          • Rubyred

            Even allowing for perhaps one hundred disinterested students taking part, there were over 40, 000 others who believed what they were marching for was important. Then take into account all those others who agreed but for whatever reason did not march. Keeping NZ green is important to many NZ’s Not just greenies.

          • metalnwood

            40k is a lot, I was never saying they were all students. There are more students walking around queen st having lunch and going back and forwards at any one time than greenies who attend most green party protests if that helps put it in to perspective.

          • Polish Pride

            What All 40,000 of them? I think in all seriousness you are drawing a ridiculously long bow with that argument.

          • Scott

            I thought 47% on 26th November 2011 was a pretty massive statement.

          • Polish Pride

            So did Mohammed Morsi in Egypt on June 30 2012 when he received 52% of the vote.

          • Scott

            Just as well that our Prime Minister isn’t doing anything like what Morsi did. Otherwise i’d probably protest as well.

            Regardless, someone has changed their mind over a few hectares of land, that for all intents and purposes will remain largely untouched.

      • Hazards001

        4million more didn’t! So I’d say they agree with maninblack

        • Polish Pride

          really!?! I didn’t and I don’t agree with maninblack so that blows that theory of yours plum clean out of the water.

  • philbest

    Do I remember rightly that I made a comment here earlier today, and has it been disallowed for some reason? I am still getting used to how this blog works now that it has grown so much. I doubt comments like mine would be disallowed, WOBH is just not that kind of blog.

    I commented that “secularisation” should cut just as much against paganism as against traditional Christian fundamentalism. And this Greenie anti-mining lunacy is paganism, pure and simple. It is nothing to do with science or economics or objectivity or utility or anything that “secular” enlightenment values are meant to relate to. Same with their “conservation” of land against urban sprawl.

    I would appreciate if my original comment could be let through.

    • Travis Poulson

      No comments have been moderated or disallowed.

      • philbest

        Thanks, Travis; perhaps I stuffed up the process of login and posting somehow.

        • Travis Poulson

          Easy enough to do, I’ve had a few mess ups myself via smartphone only to find duplicates of my comments.

          Same thing as you has happened during the event of a slow connection or something and refreshing a page before the comment has been posted. having said that, Disqus is no stranger to issues…..

          • Polish Pride

            Trav there have been numerous times I have written a post and it doesn’t appear or often appears hours later. I think the issue is with Discuss and it might have a few bugs that cause it to do this.

          • Travis Poulson

            It’s been screwed for a long time. Constant issues, but they tinker around with the things that aren’t broken instead of fixing the things that are.

    • Polish Pride

      Wow so only pagans would want to protect forests. Gotta say I never saw that one coming. I definitely want some of whatever you’ve been smoking though that’s for sure.

      • philbest

        Definitely, the historical reality is that paganism impeded progress of all kinds, because trees and other species and landforms were sacred.
        Read “The Historical Roots of the Current Ecological Crisis” by the sixties loony environmentalist Lynn White, who BLAMES Christianity for progress that has damaged the planet because it swept away pagans “respect” for nature and replaced it with utilitarianism and scientific curiosity, shock, horror……!!
        Modern environmentalism is just as absolutist and anti-progress, as evidenced by its hysteria, well critiqued by Whale Oil, over any piddly little mine that no-one will ever spot unless they fly round in a helicopter looking for it – AND knowing in advance where to look.
        And its hysteria about “landforms” being altered to build new subdivisions to keep housing affordable. When NZ and the world are less than 1% urbanised, and marginal farmland all over the first world has been returned to nature in far greater quantities. And its hypocrisy over human co-existence with nature under conditions of LOW density suburban form – humans must be punished for their heresy re nature by being cooped up in apartment blocks.
        Modern environmentalism grants no concessions to free markets and property rights and capitalism for improving the human condition to the point where people can even care about “the environment” – note that they remain silent on the destruction of environments by socialist governments, and the lack of socio-economic progress for people under stone age theocracies. Patrick Moore famously busted up with Greenpeace over this.
        Nor do they grant any concessions to the way free people and free markets discover new substitutes for scarce resources, so coal replaced whale oil and wood, saving the whales and the forests; liquid and gas fossil fuels supplant coal; nuclear and hydro are available to substitute for fossil fuels; and what else is waiting in the wings? Greenies are incurious about all this, demanding great leaps backwards NOW to appease the Gaia Earth Mother.
        Nor do they grant any concessions to the way that the owners of renewable resources PRESERVE and multiply those resources. Have all the world’s sheep been killed off because evil free marketers sell sheep meat to greedy consumers? Has the world’s last pinus radiata tree been chopped down by those terrible capitalists described in “The Lorax”? Or the last rubber tree or tea tree?
        I could go on.

  • motorizer

    would i be right in thinkimg that the extra saefty shaft needs to be put in BECAUSE OF LAWS INTRODUCED UNDER LABOUR?

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