Is Len working on a deal for it?

Perhaps Len Brown should bolt over to Sydney and offer a knock down price for Sydney’s monorail...all the cool cities have Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook.

Lyle Lanley is probably available to help Len seal the deal.

Work to take down Sydney’s Monorail has begun.

Most of the work will be done at night between 10pm and 5am. 

The bulk of the demolition is expected to be completed by March 2014.

It’s going because it is considered to be the ugly duckling of the Sydney transport network, and used as more of a novelty than for transport purposes.

Two monorail carriages and 10 metres of track will be preserved in Sydney’s Powerhouse Museum.


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  • conwaycaptain

    Don’t tempt him

  • CheesyEarWax

    Yep, Len has got rail expert and negotiation extraordinare Michael Cullen on this.

    • We’re saved!

    • sandynobb

      Celia Wade-Brown will be available after October.

  • Never in the dark…..

    The removal project is said to cost A$40m.

  • sheppy

    Ironically the monorail pods proposed by Colin Craig at the last Mayoral Election would have gone a long way towards solving Aucklands transport problems for less money than Lens expensive rail loop. They weren’t anything like the Sydney setup tho which was just a small expensive loop to nowhere.

    • Michael

      That would involve changing from train to monorail at some point. Not practical.

      • sheppy

        Thanks for the clarification. we’d best stick with Lens trainset then. Shame it doesn’t go to a lot of the city, isn’t very good at climbing steep hills and needs endless subsidies and upgrades…

        • Michael

          Roads work better – buses can run on those as well (and aren’t limited to where tracks go). And you’ll get much better transport outcomes (both private and public transport) if you spend $2.8 billion on roading projects.

          • philbest

            Exactly, the public subsidy cost per person km traveled on roads is about 2 cents; for public transport it is more like 20 cents to a dollar. And it is worse for trains than for buses in all cases except the cities with millions of people and a very dense employment core.

            I presume you know of Tony Randle’s audit of the Akl Rail Loop business case? Bureaucrats producing a business case that fraudulent in Singapore would be punished severely, not get off scot free and have the spineless central government still back down and promise truckloads of national taxpayer money.

  • cows4me

    There was a article on drudge yesterday about a new transport technology that will revolutionise travel. It is the 5th form of transport. Basically it involves a tube with a pod that is forced along the tube by pneumatic pressure and uses rail gun technology to reach speeds of 1000mph. Len might want to put the train set on lay by.

    • dumbshit

      yeah they’re going to hook metiria’s arse up to it for renewable power

  • philbest

    Monorail: the one public transport system that is even more disastrous for local taxpayers than light rail (which is even more disastrous than heavy commuter rail).

    Detroit has a CBD monorail loop…….which has been just another wound that Detroit’s public finances bleed out of……

    • LabTested

      I travel by light rail to work everyday & it is brilliant. Here in Europe light rail means a tram that instead of sharing the road with cars runs beside the road most of the way. In Europe light rail = tram

      • philbest

        Yeah, but do you realise what the cost per rider kilometer is, even in Europe?
        Just some rough top-of-my-head suggestions.

        Small car: 25 cents

        Average car: 40 cents

        SUV or luxury car: 60 cents

        Average van service: 15 cents

        Average bus service: 30 cents

        Average commuter rail service: 40 cents

        Average light rail service: $1.20

        Monorail is somewhere worse than that.

        Comparing public subsidies per person km travelled:

        Roads: 2 cents

        Van services: almost nothing

        Bus services: 20 cents

        Commuter rail services: 30 cents

        Light rail services: more than $1

        So in terms of economic activity enabled per $ of public subsidy cost…….? No contest.
        The cost of unpriced externalities to driving? Around 6 cents per kilometer at most. More than corrected for by Europe’s gouging petrol taxes.

        • Mr_Blobby

          The car figures are based on the car not the number of passengers.

          We should be abolishing these bullshit bus lanes that just restrict traffic, failing that we should be opening them all up to T2 traffic.

          When I lived on the shore we used to car pool to make use of the T2 lane.

          • Bunswalla

            How much did you have to pay someone to sit in the car with you? I’m guessing that would have blown your per person/per kilometre cost out of the water.

          • philbest

            Generally the rider kicks in something towards the cost of the trip, not the other way around. If a car driver has to pay someone to ride with him, it is odd that anyone at all would pay to ride on a bus or train.

          • philbest

            You are correct, the car figure halves if it has one passenger on board with the driver. And goes down further the more passengers.

            Most people have stupid wrong assumptions that affect their voting; like that public transport is several times more efficient than private cars. Actually, it is not rocket science to work out from the available figures in our own cities, things like : trip: 15 km; fare: $3. Total subsidy: around 70% (via government accounts; i.e. cost of system versus fare revenue). True trip cost therefore, $10. True trip cost therefore, around 66 cents per km.

            And any fool knows you can run a car for less than this, all up including depreciation, insurance, etc

            In fact the way the system is being run in Wellington to cross-subsidise the trains at the expense of bus riders traveling short distances in the suburbs, means that even the fare itself is more than the cost of running a car for the short trip if you owned one. Ironically, this is often poorer people, eg in Porirua and Taita, while yuppies who work in the CBD are getting a fat cost of transport subsidy.

          • philbest

            I believe it is a far better idea to grant access to the bus lanes, to any other vehicle paying a fee. It is expensive to police the multiple-passenger car thing, and the fact that multiple passengers can share in the cost of a fee is incentive enough to get this happening.

            It is understood by almost no-one, that the economic benefits to allowing fee-payers to get through quicker are considerable. Opposition to this is purely spite and tall poppy syndrome. But if the fee is set correctly no-one needs to “lose” by the fact that someone else travels quicker. It gets complicated, but a lane that flows freely actually throughputs MORE VEHICLES than the crammed-full lane proceeding at a crawl. So the drivers paying a fee and speeding past everyone, are REDUCING the pressure on the unpriced lanes. WIN-WIN.

            There is so much of benefit that never gets considered for policy because people do not stop to think and try and understand how things work in real life.

          • Hazards001

            Which is of course the whole point of the T2 lanes.

          • Steve (North Shore)

            Or take your blow up doll to work with you

      • Prick

        Can’t you afford to buy a car?

        • LabTested

          I have a car here & one in Auckland. I never use public transport in NZ (why sit on a bus stuck in traffic), but with the trams here it is much quicker & easier to travel anywhere in the city than by car. Tram systems can cover much more of an area than traditional rail (no train stations needed, no railway crossings etc) & because modern tram systems mostly do not share the road with cars, they do not get effected by rush hour or snow & if for some reason the line is blocked, they can just be re-routed a few streets over.

  • Kiwikea

    “Two monorail carriages and 10 metres of track will be preserved in Sydney’s Powerhouse Museum.”

    Is this being done as a reminder in case someone has the same idea in 20 years time?

    • CheesyEarWax

      They should rename it the “nonorail”.

  • Colin

    I’ve got this novel transport solution. It’s radical but I can say it definitely works. Best of all the cost benefit analysis is so good for it one could hardly overlook it.
    It goes anywhere to anywhere which is indifferent to trains and monorails.
    It’s called a CAR. And it is such a great idea. Best of all its becoming very cool And gaining environmental credibility as it slims down its outputs.
    Perhaps if we allow cars people can make their own choices and pay for their own mode of transport saving rate payers squillions.
    Damn I am a genius!