It isn’t about kids at all

Stuff are running a series on teachers where teachers give their opinions.

This bit of gold turned up this morning.

5 steps to a good school. As is typical the cowardly teacher that wrote it withheld their name.

Strangely children are not mentioned at all. Pretty telling really.

Much is said and spent trying to raise, for example, Maori achievement, but I believe huge gains could be made if all schools did the following. (I speak for secondary schools as the environment is very different to primary schools in general).

1. A sensible timetable and arrangement of the day which is straightforward for teachers and students that does not wear us out. It must allow for breaks such as a decent length of time at lunchtime.

2. A wise principal and deputies who are able to speak well to the school at assembly, inspiring students to achieve with specific advice, and giving clear guidelines for behaviour, with personal attention to students who do not comply. If students don’t respect the school’s leaders it is very hard work for teachers trying to maintain standards unassisted.  

3. A light meeting schedule that gives teachers maximum free time before and after school to do their unit planning, lesson preparation and marking.

4. Good relationships between all teachers on the staff, with senior leaders who respect the collective contract and abide by it.

5. Attention to the physical environment for teachers, such as decent toilets and a central staffroom with well-equipped kitchen.

Then you can address the other things like curriculum policy.

The poor over worked petals…getting worn out by finishing work at 3pm. It will be a real struggle finding a wise principal, they are all teachers, trained and skilled in the arts of socialism.

This fool teacher fails to understand respect. Respect is earned not demanded.

Oh, “maximum free time” before and after school…drive past a school at 4pm and see how many cars  are int h staff carpark.

Senior leaders? Respect collective contracts? Oh you mean toe the union line…do kids fit anywhere in your plan?

Flash staffroom, decent dunnies and that is a critical component of this fools five step plan?

Who is this moron, he needs to be sacked forthwith.


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  • AnonWgtn

    FFS why be a teacher other than to get 12 weeks holiday a year and get well Unionised pay.
    At the primary next to me the teachers are there at 8 am but 3.10pm they are gone.
    Lovely late model German cars too – one has a black Porsche convertible, BUT at least she has a baby seat in the passenger seat.

  • rockape

    Leader ship in the classroom starts in the classroom but teachers have no leadership skills(thats why the follow the union like sheep)
    Motivation in the classroom is the teachers job not the head, not the parents—-the teachers!
    Why do pupils always come last in thoughts on education!
    Teachers a profession that needs a serious shakeup!

  • Col

    They must be over worked, as the students are fucking rude, they throw rubbish on the streets they don’t get to class on time etc and teachers don’t give a fuck.
    Well Mr and Mrs Teacher when you earn the respect from these kids then you can have time to do your stuff.

  • Orange

    I don’t understand your animosity in this instance. If the teachers are being hindered from teaching by pure bureaucracy and bs voisted down from MinEd diehard liberals then that is bad. Almost all schools are currently undergoing the same “professional education” scam and not only is it rubbish, it really stops teachers teaching. It’s probably analogous to taking police off the beat so they can do paperwork. Read the fun for yourself at

    • metalnwood

      In the real world I have had my boss send me off to things like leadership training, management training, etc, etc I often fell like it is BS and sometimes it is, not always directly helping my job. Then I get back and have to catch up.

      Shit happens but it happens outside of teaching to. You just have to put up with it and hope there is a reasonable morning tea thrown in.

    • Teachersrock

      Do not expect reason from the teacher haters on here. They despise teachers so very very much and no reason will get through their hate.

      • rockape

        You should be marking dont you work a 18 hour day! You are beginning to sound like a bad record. Do you have nothing origional to add. We know all you can summon is to accuse all on this blogg of being teacher haters. If thats all you have to offer from that tiny mind of yours you realy are not going to win any arguments. Stick to debating with your 5 year olds, they are more on your intellectual level.

        • Teachersrock

          I will never convince you or any of your lot of how wrong you are. You do not want to know, you prefer to blame teachers and attack.

          Despite educators from around the world coming to see how we do things because we are that good, despite having a curriculum that is considered one of the best in the world, you do not want to know. You just want to hate.

          So, I do not expect to “win” anything on here, ever.

          But stupidity like the sort demonstrated by you and your lot still needs to be called out for what it is. Even if you carry on your merry way, at least it has been stated how silly you are.

          • johnbronkhorst

            Here’s one that applies to you.

            “Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere
            ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”

            Martin Luther King
            Many reports and studies on Charter schools all conclude that they are a better model than the state school system!
            But you still peddle the lies and misrepresentations of the PPTA.

          • Teachersrock

            And that quote sums up National and its supporters on this issue very well. So best you stop misrepresenting it by suggesting it applies else where.

          • johnbronkhorst

            A childish response …as expected from you.
            You have no facts, nothing to back up what you say! You just parrot the PPTA line.
            Yet all on here have actually read the real research by independent bodies (universities) that actually did the research for entirely different reasons from the PPTA and with NO preconceived conclusions.

          • Teachersrock

            Yes no facts, just all the published studies that I have posted links to before, and that have been all through the papers that have been tabled in the House…. but you know better especially seeing as you are not a education expert.

  • cows4me

    Yeah this one was well and truly hit with the indoctrination stick. Full of sickly mumbo jumbo, “does not wear us out” oh fucking please it’s not a rest home, “a wise principle” according to who, “a light meeting schedule” with finger food no doubt, “respect the collective contract” fuck this is good stuff you will be rolling out the Borg soon, ” a central staffroom” don’t want to walk to far for coffee and donuts.

  • James Howlett

    If your life had ‘progressed’ along the lines of: Kindergarten -> Primary School -> Secondary School -> University/Teachers College -> Trainee Teacher -> Teacher or something similar then, and only then, could you understand the mind that comes up with this sort of thing. Too many on this site have got off track by learning a trade or profession or, horror, starting/running their own business. Do that sort of thing for too long and you lose the ability to reason in the same way these people do.

  • JeffDaRef

    And who wonders why the ex-teacher leader of the opposition struggles to connect with the people???

  • Mr Sackunkrak

    Fuck me. So the order of things is:

    1) Get the teachers comfortable, relaxed and happy.

    2) Something or other.

    10) Think of the children.

    • johnbronkhorst

      agree with all but 10)……..more like 10000000000000)

  • kevin

    It appears that school is for teachers… students? Oh yes, forgot about them. In that individuals universe anyway.

  • jcpry

    Yes read this on Stuff this morning and thought that surely this must be some right wing activists taking the piss. I mean no one could really be that naive and hold the respected position of teacher. Makes me feel better that we busted our asses and our kids all went to private schools. So will my children’s children.
    Roll on charter schools. The teachers who want to make a difference will abandon ship in their droves and the ability to be rewarded on effort and not by award will be a great carrot. Those that are left behind will not be too flash and this will put the state schools under even more pressure. Easy to see why the PPTA is dead against them – not one of them will belong to the union.

  • Teaching is a profession!. No. A professional would say “my ability will determine my income”, a teacher will say “my union will determine my income”. Says it all!

  • Whinging Pom

    My daughter is currently working as an English language assistant in Japan. There the teachers get the same holiday as the rest of the working population – for much of the time the kids are on holiday the teachers are in school preparing for the lessons to come etc.
    Why not adopt this approach in NZ? The unions always tell us how hard their members work outside of set school hours. Having them in school would raise the credibility of this claim above the current Tui ad level.

    • johnbronkhorst

      Going back years, you could find teachers doing seasonal work in the freezing works etc. during their (much needed HAHAHA) holidays!

  • Marie Tugdual

    I have to disagree a little. Not al the school are the same… When I pass in the WE or during school holidays front of my daughter school I can see how many car are in the staff carpark .. a lot .. Maybe because it is not a public school . !!

    • Harry B’Stard

      they are in the science lab cooking meth

    • A lot of schools are used for various activities during holiday periods so it is not a good test. Try 3:30-4pm on a normal school day. Count the cars in the staff carpark. Much better indicator!

      • johnbronkhorst

        80/20 rule applies.
        80% of the cars are gone by 3:15pm
        20% still doing what the 80% CLAIM they are also doing ( marking etc)

        • Well summarised John. No argument there.

          • johnbronkhorst

            Actually seen it with my own eyes (while working at a school), teachers RUNNING to the car park, while a precious few (one or two) still there at 6pm, preparing (lab work) for tomorrow!

  • johnbronkhorst


    1. We as teachers want more time off and don’t want to remotely work an 8 hour day.

    2. We teachers are so limp wristed that we can’t develop respect within the student body, simply through force of will, love of subject and communication skills.

    3. We as teachers want more time off and don’t want to remotely work an 8 hour day.

    4. Thou shalt love the union……………….or else!
    5. The teachers must have palace like amenities, while the kids……..well who cares!!!

  • johnbronkhorst

    What??? Nothing about what the TEACHERS bring to their job??
    Only it appears that it is everyone else’s job to make their working life easier!!
    Confucius: No bad student, only bad teacher!
    and a very wise man he was!!!

  • PhantomsDoc

    1/ We get a better lunch.
    2/ Steal underpants.
    3/ All kids pass NCEA.