Why was David Shearer so secretive over GCSB?

In Question 3 today David Shearer shot both feet off, in attempting to attack John Key over the GCSB.

At 6:30 in the video below Shearer asks if John Key has consulted with the Labour party…John Key gave Shearer a chance to retract his question and Robertson and other demanded the Prime Minister answer…and the answer was devastating for David Shearer.

So, David Shearer had a secret meeting with John Key, asked Key to keep it quiet so other members of Labour wouldn’t know about it, as well as Russel Norman.

Oh dear, this isn’t going to go well for David Shearer, his caucus members have claimed for months they have never be consulted and now we find out that David Shearer had an extensive meeting with John key about the bill, which Shearer wanted kept quiet.

Russel Norman too won;t be happy that his prospective co-leader of the opposition has essentially mis-led him too.

Only David Shearer could go into the house with the Prime Minister on the back foot over GCSB and manage a self inflicted injury that may prove fatal.


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  • That is a unique moment in New Zealand politics. Remember it folks. You’ll refer back to it again and again.

    • Justsayn

      “Point of Order Mr Speaker, the Leader of the Opposition is a fucktard.”

      “Mr Little you are to withdraw and apologise, or leave the chamber”. “Mr Robertson, this better be a new point of order…”

  • Col

    I was going to say this before I looked at the video, Because Shearer doesn’t know anything. I m still laughing.

  • This is a huge own goal for Shearer. He’s clearly gone behind Grant Robertson, David Cunliffe and Andrew Little’s backs to have this little tete-a-tete with the PM which he wanted to keep secret.

    And the PM even gave him the chance not to ask the question; is Shearer determined to go down in a blaze of glory?

    • Random66

      Maybe he forgot he had a meeting – just like he forgot his $50,000.

      • More like a million

        • kevin

          Yep, tax free income with lots of perks and flash travel. Whats the bet he ends up back with the UN?, soon…

          • About January 2014 would be my guess. Helen Clark will have a job for Mr Shearer.

    • Salacious T Crumb

      The reference to not getting Russell Normans support on it was very telling. A moment of prophetic clarity there which all on the Labour benches would have recoiled at.

      • rockape

        Absolutely, is this the price Labour are paying to gain power with the help of the Greens. This is just an amendment to LABOURs bill, yet they are totally against it,why the change ,look no further than Labour putting its desire for power ahead of their principals and their desire for power. Was there ever any doubt of that!

  • rockape

    Ouch! Just what is shearer up to. Did that foreign bank account come from JK to stuff Labour up. Is Shearer a secret National agent! He surely cant be that incompetent.

  • LinkinHawk

    Not only is David Shearer a mumbling bumbling incompetent fool, but he has also just proven himself to be a greasy underhanded worm.

    • TomTom

      Idiot can’t even speak clearly. I’m going to have to read the goddamn Hansard again to figure precisely out what is coming out of that gob.

      • sandynobb

        Baaaaaa. BAAAAAA!

        • TomTom

          To be absolutely honest, I am deaf – so more often that not, all I get is white noise from him because he slurs his words and doesn’t moves his lips enough to enunciate clearly. JK, I’m mostly fine with. But it’s Judith Collins of all MPs that is my clear favourite for public speaking.

  • TomTom

    It’s funny that the past leader, current leader and a possible future leader of Labour have yet again all been shown to be particularly dishonest politicians, all in one big go – wham, blam, thank you ma’am.

  • steve and monique

    Well if you ever wanted to know how to look Stupid,then watch this

    • Salacious T Crumb

      His first clue was when the PM said “do you really want me to answer that?”

      • Plue

        Exactly how did he miss that? The only time anyone says that is when they have something to say that you won’t like.

      • Justsayn

        Yep, but the best bit will be when he just drops it in for fun.

        I can see the leaders debate “I can answer that, if you really want me to Mr Shearer”. Oh the memories it will invoke.

  • Monty

    I simply could not believe my ears as I listened to this. Shearer is now exposed as a liar. Shame really as I was starting to think Shearer was going to lead Labour into the election in 2014.

  • GregM

    I always thought Shearer was a “nice bloke”. Turns out he is lying backstabber same as the rest of the Labia party. This has got to be the end for him surely.

    • Lion_ess

      “Nice blokes” know who they are. They don’t present a different persona each time they are photographed. “Nice blokes” don’t look stupid all of the time – because “nice blokes” are just that. Not “try-hards” who persistently fail.

  • blokeintakapuna

    Slam Dunk to the PM…
    Shearer really is the gift that keeps on giving…

  • In Vino Veritas

    Robertston et al may well have known of the meeting. It could be jus the Greens being kept in the dark. Anyway, I think Shearer can safely be accused of brainfade. I guess there will now be no more attacks on the PM for the same, since that would be hypocrisy, no?

    • Bob Murphy

      You have to have a brain before it can fade.

  • EpochNZ

    Spin this, MSM…..I see Stuff are already trying their best….

    • blokeintakapuna

      yep – with only half the PM’s answers…

      • Steve610

        One News gave only a bit of JK which didn’t show the true context, then cut to Shearer in the hall saying he’d asked for the meeting to be confidential. So why ask the question?

  • Phar Lap

    How the country tittered,how the country laughed ,when they heard how David Shearer had gaffed.Its not often he is right,and he is out to lunch again.The next PM of NZ?, FFS he cant even be an MP.Looking at the arse lickers flanking him in Parliament ,either can they.

  • blokeintakapuna

    So – 1st off Shearer sets himself up on a question he already well and truly knows the answer to – and it’s not favourable to him, but asks it anyway…
    Then, he tries to deflect responsibility by lying and saying he contacted the PM first…
    How much failure can a failed experiment handle? Or should the question be “how much patience do the various factions have?”

    • He just kept on leading with his chin! What a fool!

    • Col

      You gotta ask who wrote the question for Shearer?

      • More importantly, what was the ANSWER he was expecting?

        And if Key had respected Shearer’s confidentiality agreement, even after allowing Shearer to back out of the question, would Shearer then have used the answer to accuse the PM of lying?

        It’s the only strategy I can think of that makes sense.

        They were assuming Key would stick by the confidentiality agreement. They didn’t expect Key to offer one chance to retract and then spill the beans.

        I’d love to know alternative views of what people think Shearer was trying to achieve.

        • TomTom

          I would consider that Shearer effectively ‘broke’ the “agreement” anyways, by forcing JK having to bring it into the public domain as a pertinent and relevant fact to the discussion at hand.

        • rockape

          Petal I have no idea what he was thinking of. I have looked at any possible benefits and i see none. Whale often says No the answer before asking the question. That needs to be amplified to include . “make sure your going to get the answer you want”.

        • Harroputza

          Maybe an extremely bad attempt at showing that he’s attempting to work collaboratively with other parties?

          Perhaps he was trying to show that John Key was dismissive of the concerns of “ordinary NZers”, which Labour clearly represents?

          Either way, he gets the political Darwin award.

        • James Howlett

          It looks to me like he has simply not remembered the conversation correctly. Note how when Key gives him the opportunity to retract he just tries to clarify within his question who initiated the contact. I think he was trying to lead Key into a ‘technically true’ answer (ie “no”, as Key/his office did not initiate contact) which he can muddy up later to give the appearance of a lie (ie the conversation actually took place so why didn’t Key say so). Key remembers the initiation differently and gets in first with his version of events and away he goes. THEN like in a high school debate Shearer tries to clarify who initiated the contact as if, even if he is right, this will count as damage control.
          It is so ridiculously dangerous a strategy, followed up by the most hilarious attempt at mitigation that I can’t believe this guy does it for a living.

          • Excellent analysis. As you say, dangerous strategy, and completely backfired.

          • Muffin

            Why would shearer invite key to keys office, surely you would invite another party to your office?

          • steve and monique

            Might have wanted a job interview.

          • Muffin

            Parliaments jester?

          • steve and monique

            Village idiot

      • TomTom

        Look at the InTheHouse link – the video is subtitled: “Question: Does he stand by all his statements?” For god’s sake – it’s like a friggin’ broken record.

        • Col

          The other one is, I”f not Why not” that really gets me pissed. I m deaf has well, understand what your saying. Those who speak down are the ones>

  • peterwn

    At 1630hr Hansard writers still have not done draft of Q3, but they have done Q4 Q5 Q7 – what is the holdup – are they splitting their sides with laughter.

  • Vlad

    The political equivalent of watching Richie McCaw intercept a wild Quade Cooper pass on the NZ try-line, run the length of the field and score under the post. And oh joy, a few minutes later in Question Time, Shearer reaches into the front of his pants and stands up holding TWO DEAD FISH!!! Who wrote this marvellous comedy?

  • I wish we could assemble all the people that were at the Auckland Town Hall last night again tonight, lock the doors, and play them that video until they beg to be let go. I think it would be during the 3rd showing.

    I’m just imagining how it must feel to have a meeting like that, start the next day full of beans with some hope that the opposition to be bill may actually get some traction, and then your point man destroys the whole show in less than 24 hours.

    Anyone that suggests Shearer is actually a National plant would actually sound more sane than someone claiming he is a died-in-the-wool Labour man.

    • Someone on Twitter suggested that Shearer just snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

    • DLNZ

      You could lock them in there for 3 months and they’d still think Shearer and Campbell kicked JK’s ass on both occasions. Even the dead snapper are less blind.

  • Agent BallSack

    John Key just made Shearer his bitch.

    • rockape

      Yes ,first Cambell then SHearer, he is getting quite A HARAM OF BITCHES!

  • Shoreboy57

    He forgot?

  • Shearer just made himself look totally stupid, again. He allowed Key to toy with him, like a cat with a mouse. A fool, a total fool.

  • rockape

    See he has just held up undersized snapper. Isnt it illegal to be in posession of undersized fish.

    • George

      Well, he can’t claim to be a commercial fisherman when he attempts trawling Parliament he only catches himself

    • Phill

      oh sorry, honest mistake bro…..
      I forgot there was a size limit…..

  • BAM

    Fucking hell, that was just bizarre.
    Shearer would have to be the dumbest mofo ever, wow

    • Steve

      Couldn’t have said it better myself….

  • Nothing yet on the left blogs… they’re still pushing last night’s Town Hall meeting as their main story.

  • rangitoto

    LOL @ Shearer

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  • Pastaman

    Hah! Stupid is as stupid does.

  • Bart

    Oh fuck, really? This is PRICELESS!

  • Brent

    I was rung on sunday afternoon and asked if there was anyone in the house between the age of 14 an 20 to assist in a roymorgan research poll, after filling then with crap on my age I was surprised 60% of the questions were political. Why are they asking non voting teens who they would vote for? They have posted out a book to fill in with the chance to win 3k

  • Jonathan Pull

    So Key will push for charges against people who spy on his tea conversations but when its suits him poltically he can change his mind.
    And this is the guy were supposed to trust to stop our spy agencies spying on us.

    • FredFrog

      Actually, sheep broke the confidentiality by asking the question. If he wanted the meeting to remain confidential, he shouldn’t have asked the question.

    • Key’s answer the first time that Shearer asked the question was all about the confidentiality agreement. That’s why he said he would answer the question if Shearer wanted. Shearer rendered the agreement null and void by asking the question again; hugely dumb politics.

    • Muffin

      Pull the other one bud, your mans a retard, in a party of retards

    • Agent BallSack

      Where did JK mention the body of the conversation? The fact that a meeting took place is obvious. No where does Key mention any of the actual details of the private conversation. Herein lies an important distinction between this and the tea tape discussion. As an aside Key has copies of both so Shearer should probably STFU.

  • Yosarian

    look at the look on Shane Jones face??? Priceless.

    • mike

      He was thinking to himself that if this keeps up he’ll end up in charge.

  • rockape

    We often joke here about Labour getting traction then blowing it. Today was a great example, How can a leader take his party from:-) —–Polls all be it RM to:-( Lying to his party and being shown up as a fool in just a few short hours. I just have difficulty believing the ineptitude of Labour. Any reasonable thinking person must seriously wonder if they could ever be competent in Government, and thats a risk none of us can afford!

  • Time For Accountability

    For someone that built his whole prior career around information gained from spooks sheep flounders for credibility in grab debate.

    Flounder kindly borrowed from another poster.

  • Edwin Wigmore

    For me the biggest giggle was seeing the smirks at laughs from the Labour people in the background – at least initially. The smirks and smiles became very forced indeed once it was very clear mumbles had royally stuffed up.

  • Caleb

    Wow, this is a first time I’ve really had a look at this blog. It is like this little corner of the internet where Nat brats give Jonkey jobbies.

    Do any of you realise the little bubble you live in? What fun it must be to have such a balanced debate on the issues instead of just a National party sounding board.