Why ‘affordable housing’ won’t work

Unless you create ghettos where ONLY affordable homes can be built and maintained and artificially restrict the prices on those houses they simply won’t work.

Then there is the NIMBY factor.

As sure as night follows day – the NIMBYs are already preparing to spike plans to increase housing supply in Auckland. 

Some groups, such as the Orakei Local Board, are planning meetings to understand the effects of special housing areas on their communities, including the impact on residents bordering affordable areas.

Upper Harbour and Hibiscus & Bays Local Board member Lisa Whyte said building more homes in special housing areas was a huge threat to attractive communities.

If they’re preparing to protest against 10% affordable housing – I’d hate to think how they’d react to Labour’s plans to build low cost, high density slums.

 


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  • blokeintakapuna

    Once and if they ever slither into being able to form a minor coalition government, NZ can look forward to them controlling the market.
    Electricity prices…
    Grocery prices…
    Wage prices…
    Next cab off the rank – House prices…
    …and each would require huge government departments over-stuffed with L&G sycophants to monitor, control and administer the massive savings to the consumer.
    Has CunningCV explained yet how L&G arrived at electricity savings of between $220-330p.a per household? That’s a very specific number, so why can’t Labour tell us how much extra the “living wage” will cost?

    • mike

      Ok Labour setting house prices, does that mean those of us who already own a house which Labour has valued at less than we paid will get a refund?

      Or because we have made sacrifices and worked our arses off for what we have will we be considered “rich pricks” and shafted a little bit more?

      • OneTrack

        You already know the answer.

  • Patrick

    You call it NIMBY I call it respecting the neighbours – problem is before you know it whole suburbs end up looking like slums. Wait until house values plummet because the folks next door don’t mow their lawns & have a bunch of old wrecks of cars sitting out front. Never mind the endless piss ups & chooks & pigs they tend to farm on their sections.
    Maybe if there were some tough restrictions that were enforced then it would be acceptable.
    It would still stick in my throat as I left for work everyday walking past my neighbours who spend all day & night on the piss disturbing my sleep, they have caused my house to devalue & yet I am off to work to fund them.
    Doesn’t seem right to me, the whole welfare “entitlement” premise needs to change.

    • botti

      Exactly right.

      This is a massive violation of the communities these people live in. A community isn’t just the geographic location, it’s the people who live there.

      I think it should be a condition of any law creating “special housing areas” that they have to include the homes of politicians who support them. Once they have some skin in the game they may change their tune.

  • Jp

    Well I guess, if they get into power,
    You will be told who you can sell your house to and for what price.

  • johnbronkhorst

    It’s not “affordable housing” it SUBSIDISED housing.
    The rest of us are paying for it.
    Using lab/green policy…why not “affordable Rolls Royce’s”?
    If you don’t get a job that pays enough to be able to AFFORD a house, you don’t deserve one.
    Get a better education, get a better (higher paying) job and THEN buy a house!!!
    Start and build your own business!!
    or something else that will allow you to afford a house!!

  • botti

    If affordable housing is an issue then one obvious answer is to reduce the number of people entering the country.

    “The relationship between migration flows and housing prices has been analysed by Coleman and Landon-Lane (2007). They found that a net immigration flow equal to 1% of the population (10 per 1000 inhabitants) is associated with an approximately 10% increase in house prices. This relationship has existed since the 1960s. Limiting immigration swings could therefore lead to a substantial reduction in future house prices and housing debt.”

    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/reviews-consultation/savingsworkinggroup/pdfs/swg-report-jan11.pdf

    • Rex Widerstrom

      Oh, but that’s racist… even if you don’t give a damn about the antecedents of the foreign buyer. “New Zealander” is a race, apparently.

      If someone wants to make a life in NZ, enters on a visa that offers a path to citizenship and buys a house to live in themselves, fine. If they then go through with citizenship, they gain the same right to buy investment property as any other NZer. If they leave and maintain permanent residency they get to retain the home. If they leave and fail to fulfil the requirements for permanent residency, they have to put it on the market.

      A more generous offer, I might add, than many countries make to NZers and other non-nationals wanting to buy property there, and an effective way, as you point out, of helping to keep house prices affordable for those who do actually want to live in NZ.

  • Mr Sackunkrak

    The problem with “affordable” houses is that no one wants the “affordable” neighbours that come with them. Cause and effect.

  • kaykaybee

    Put up a nice highrise state tenement block with composting toilet system and groundfloor WINZ on the prospective Bunnings site they’re all moaning about in Grey Lynn. That should shut the organic and recycle NIMBY gang over there up.

  • ConwayCaptain

    In the 1960’s I joined my first ship in the Royal Docks in the East End of London. Now this area is v flat and in fact the docks are HIGHER than the surrounding area. The area was full of High Rise Flats built as Council Housing.
    In the late 1970’s I was again in the Royal Docks at the end of their life and these high rises were being demolished, usually by explosive and collapsing them.
    The Royal Docks are now some of the Highest priced real estate in the East End and is also home to the London City Airport. Unfortunately with the demise of the old East End the Cockneys have disappeared.

  • Affordable housing.

    What a bullshit catch cry of the left. All housing is affordable, because people are building or buying them. If housing wasn’t affordable, nobody would be buying them. There is a difference between affordable and low cost. People on low wages expect low cost housing when they are probably most unlikely to be able to service a mortgage, let alone save for a deposit.

    If they can’t make some sacrifices to squirrel away enough money or upskill/find a better job to save for a deposit then *newsflash*, you can’t afford a house. That’s your problem, not the worlds. Not the governments. Not mine.

    Poor precious things that aren’t able to afford a house in the suburb of their desire, can’t get into the school zone they want etc etc

    Aint life a bitch. If you stand around crying because you can’t get anywhere, can’t afford this, can’t afford that, nobody is helping you out…there is one common issue here holding you back: you.

    • JeffDaRef

      The last paragraph is comment of the YEAR!!

      Sick of hearing all the “poor me” stories and it becoming a shared problem. HTFU and make something of yourselves…

    • Therer are plenty of affordable houses in places like Tapanui. As a bonus, you can support the Stags….

      I thought prices were crazy up in Auckland (I left in 2006) when I lived there: they are twice that price now. It is a bubble and it will burst — just increase the interest rates and watch it burst.

      (Well, don’t. I saw the pain from the global crash in Canada first hand… lots of people are still paying off the mortages they had on over valued houses that were sold “underwater”)

      • Patrick

        NZ needs that pain whether we like it or not, a Labour Government spending other peoples money like water, big inflation increases, huge job losses & half the population in negative equity. Not wishing it on NZ in any shape or form but boy oh boy it would certainly bed in a few home truths.

  • thor42

    You can guarantee that these “affordable houses” will be packed to the rafters with Somali families with 10 or 12 kids each. They will then get the rest of their families over from Somalia – probably another 20 relatives per family. Soon the place looks just like Mogadishu.

    • Patrick

      Think of the economy of scale though – every three years the local Labour MP rolls up at the end of the street in his clapped out Toyota Previa & doles out a few hundred dollars worth of KFC, “vote for me, thanks very much see you in three years”. Leaves more time for the MP to go troughing on his taxpayer funded lifestyle.

    • GeorgeRomero

      Certain areas in Avondale and Hamilton alredy look like Mogadishu and some of ’em have brand new state houses to stink up as well.Where’s my fuckin new state house hmmm?

  • cows4me

    I know I’m not to bright but if house prices are fixed then would not government valuations ( QV ) have to drop also to match the decreased value? And if that was so would not a capital gains tax also realise less in tax takes if house prices are fixed?

    • Patrick

      Same would apply to local government rates, still I am sure Cullen’s rich pricks (including so called wealthy cockies) will not mind putting the hands in their pockets to help out their poor & needy city cousins.

      • cows4me

        Wealthy cockies, it’s an urban myth Patrick, spread by nasty little commie pricks, pay no heed to it.

        • Patrick

          I am well aware of the myth C4Me, unfortunately it appears that my parents fall into Len Brown’s definition of rich pricks, their rates have increased massively since they were forced into Hide’s super shitty. They still live down a gravel road as they have for 50 years, they see nothing for the rates they pay but no doubt can console themselves knowing the money they saved over their 50 years of 7 days a week labouring on their farm will be well spent providing a water slide for the bone idle of South Auckland. A water slide that will be no doubt be covered in graffiti & left to rot within a few short years.

  • Mr Sackunkrak

    If I were a Labour voter I’d want my money back! I would have paid top dollar for my average house in an average street in an average town. Now these cunts will sprinkle fairy dust and make it worth half what I paid for it. I suppose everyone paying tax on their new “living wage” will chip in for my loss. Churr bro’s an ya ho’s.

  • philbest

    The gun-totin’ bible-bashin’ redneck hicks in heartland and southern USA have worked out that you have to “let growth happen somewhere else”.

    Our problem is not NIMBYs. It is BANANAs (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything).

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