The Beyonce Haka, can’t wait for the outrage

I’m sure some moaning Maori will be outraged that a woman daring to respond to the Haka…but here is it is anyway.

 


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  • If you challenge them during a formal welcome you’re likely to get a club across the face. Just as well they allowed her to interpret it her own way… :)

  • Bart

    Actually this has been reported on during the weekend and I was surprised by the silence from Maori commentators…maybe they are all fans of Beyonce? Would have been a different reaction if Miley Cyrus had done it…..

    • timemagazine

      Or any other white person?

  • thor42

    I still reckon that prancing around aggressively and poking your tongue out is a *bloody strange* way to “welcome” someone.

    I have seen a video of a tribe in some deep jungle somewhere that were being visited by Europeans for the first time. Did *they* jump around and behave like that?

    No. They were cautious, but soon overcame their fear when the Europeans made it clear that they meant no harm.

    • john Doe

      True but you Noresmen had some strange greeting practices as well.

  • Dave

    Given they performed a Haka to someone who does not know their custom, then they cant complain however she reacted. They appear a violent act, and can easily be misinterpreted. Each haka should be presented after a warning, just like an r rated movie.

    • john Doe

      Take note shane jones.

      • Chancey

        OH fuck off – i’m trying to bury that image

        • Dave

          Yes, and what was shane hoping to bury ??

  • Chancey

    Well Maori have taken no offence to the desecration of the Ngati Whatua room, in fact providing the first 40 minutes of the ceremony for Brown’s inauguration – interesting their was an interpreter for the deaf, but no subtitles or published interpretation for us English speakers – His Wankship nodded knowingly throughout

    • john Doe

      Why did my finger instinctively go down my throat!

    • Mr_V4

      Maybe there was enough thigh slapping, taiaha stabbing, poi wrist twirling and tongue poking that it can be considered cultural?

      • Chancey

        sadly no tonight was more of a mihi whakatau 40 minutes duration and mind numbingly dull – apart from the discernible tension in the room, and lounge lizard len’s posh frock

      • Dave

        His wankship lol. He certainly will be now Mr V, Bevan is past tense, and i would guess things at home are not great, suspect a deserved dry spell.

  • Dick Brown

    To be honest I would let her take a dump on my clan’s kilt colours; at least I’d see it.

    • Dick Brown

      In all seriousness though I have just googled ‘haka outrage’ and the whole first page starts with this WO page and then a succession of All Blacks stories about them being upset with the poms and the aussies for their poo-pooing the haka.

      The All Blacks; the epitome of monetary success in cultural ownership…

      Second page is full of stories about Maori actively pursuing recognition for the haka (what the All Blacks have successfully done for over a century) and no stories about the so called ‘outrage epidemic from Maori about the use of Haka’.

      I’m sorry but I think this is all overblown fellow Oilers; target: astray.

      • Kimbo

        You needed to search a bit wider (and it only took two more words, ‘Spice Girls’) and this made the top of my search:

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/niuenewzealand/1342655/All-Blacks-in-shock-as-Maoris-demand-cash-for-haka-ritual.html

        “NEW ZEALAND’S rugby administrators were in shock last night after
        learning that Maoris have applied for a trademark on the haka, the
        traditional war dance performed by the All Blacks before their test
        matches…

        The move follows a wave of anger among Maoris over what they regard as the unauthorised use of their imagery, ranging from the haka to the moko – traditional full facial tattoos. Among those who have raised the Maoris’ ire in recent years are:

        The fashion designer Paco Rabanne, who used the moko design in a Paris fashion show.

        The soccer player Eric Cantona, who modelled a painted-on moko for a magazine cover.

        The Spice Girls, who staged an impromptu haka – which is forbidden to women – during a visit to Bali.

        Budleigh Salterton bowls club in Devon, which performed a pastiche of the haka in a television advertisement”.

        • Dick Brown

          I covered this in my previous post Kimbo.

          The story should headline:

          “Businesses lock horns over Trademark”

          And ‘Maori anger’ is a misnomer; if it were McDonalds complaining it would be viewed as “Brand Protection”.

          • Kimbo

            Not sure you read the report right. It is not just about trademark and intellectual property issues as such, e.g., “The Spice Girls, who staged an impromptu haka – which is forbidden to women – during a visit to Bali.”

            If I understand tikanaga, Beyonce performing a haka is not just about IP, it is also about tapu. All cultures, including New Zealand Pakeha, are required to observe tikanaga that they would regard as sexist when engaging with Maori in ceremonial settings.

            Yet no outrage here about Beyonce’s offence against tapu.

            That was the point WO was making…

          • Dick Brown

            But there is also the universal global obligation to treat your visitors well Kimbo.

            And with this obligation comes the need to engage and interact between cultures. This can take many forms, and the restraint shown to possible local offence is one of them.

            There is also the fact that despite what non-fans of Beyonce say, she DID behave herself whilst in our house and provided enjoyment and fulfilment to thousands of our people.

            This alone is deserving of some latitude to her. She is a performer and a world class one at that. This makes her, for all intents and purposes, a diplomat.

            She is also a vastly intelligent woman of colour and all the implications for inspiration that holds.

            No, the only precious ones complaining are the ones who say we should complain.

            This is not the way people should treat their guests.

          • Kimbo

            A good common sense response that most Maori would acknowledge – about the only ones who don’t are the precious who want to keep their culture frozen, and parade their outrage to control others when it isn’t.

            Yet Maori have always been a highly adaptable people.

        • Bunswalla

          I guess they’re not objecting to Beyonce prostituting the haka since the entire crew did that in the first place.

          Quite why a bunch of roadies, sound technicians and lighting people felt that doing their job for a few nights in some way justified a haka at the end of their stint, is beyond me.

          • Dick Brown

            Excellent point Bunswalla.

            And a point that makes the original premise invalid.

  • Cadwallader

    She may as well be warned that the bill will be on the way for allowing her to share in this delightful cherished and culturally enhancing experience…vomit now!

  • Sponge

    I am OUTRAGED! OUTRAGED you hear!!!

    Everyone on Earth should just respect our culture. If someone from Houston does not understand Murry culture they are vile RACISTS!

  • W.Austin

    She’s not white enough to be outraged at.

  • HtD

    The Maori silence is the usual hypocrisy. We know the silence is because she’s ‘black.’ Same thinking as Willie Jackson calling me a racist because I said Mike Tyson was a rapist – Jackson assumed I thought Tyson was guilty because he’s ‘black.’ No. it’s because a jury found him guilty of raping a (black) woman.

    • WABloke

      Is Jackson a pot or a kettle?

      • Chancey

        depends on what pays better

  • john Doe

    Looked like a bad boogie dance by the boys…and as for Beyonce, she looked like a rabid dog about to froth.

  • williamabong

    Couldn’t she get her tazer to work,

  • P1LL

    I thought it was pretty cool ( shit did I just say that)

  • Silverspoon

    She looks like a female dog in heat who has been confronted by other male dogs, lol.

  • steve and monique

    If someone puts out what looks like an intimidating and violent challenge designed to scare -,particularly to a woman, (it certainly doesn’t look like a welcome to me), then be prepared that not everyone will stand there with a dumb grin on their face, many of us don’t see it as welcoming. Time we got rid of it actually and started treating visitors in a more civil manner, not like a bunch of violent thugs

  • To steal some of Hone’s words, nothing has been “raped” and “ripped off” more than the haka.

    • Dave

      Travis you forget the ongoing raping, ripping off and pillaging of the White Fella’s wallet.

    • Mr_V4

      But they won’t admit it’s been ripped of by Maori themselves, the ultimate irony. No different to them selling all their land off really.

  • Hazards001

    Who?

  • bristol

    Let;s face it, the haka is an ugly relic of a primitive past. Why it’s being promoted, at every opportunity, as a symbol of modern New Zealand is a complete mystery to me.

  • Mr_V4

    Gotta love the Wikipedia entry for Powhiri:

    For most non-Māori speaker the wero, an aggressive challenge of the visitor at the beginning of the ceremony, is the most spectacular
    part of the pōwhiri. During this part of the ceremony, three Māori warriors[citation needed] will advance cautiously towards the guests with ceremonial weapons, and perform threatening gestures and grimaces, calling out battle screams,
    and generally giving an impression of being ready to explode into violence against the visitors at any moment.

    Had a visitor once comment he was under the impression these guys had contracted a virulent strain of bird-flu. Of course I immediately enrolled him in an approved educational course at the nearest Wānanga.

  • Dave

    Suggest anyone in or visiting Rotorua pop along to the Maori cultural show at the Sudima, the main “actor” was an Italian, they couldn’t get a Maori to do the show, so an Italian was doing the gig and had been doing it for 3 years prior to our visit (2010). It was an embarrassment for us in front of our overseas guests.

    • thor42

      Bwahaha….. an Italian!
      “Buon giorno, bros…… ” :D

  • Stuart

    One wonders why the Missionaries of the 19thC did not suppress this ugly, violent war chant. It quite disgusts me. I think the Polynesians who came here 800 years ago were psychopathic and sociopathic outcasts from all of the Outer Islands.

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