You can have a tea break when you’ve earned it

What’s the most important issue for the NZEI?

Ensuring kids can get decent teachers and a good education?

Wrong.

The most important thing for them is making sure dud teachers get a tea-break.

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Obviously a 9am-3pm working day must be too much for the poor petals.

And what’s that you say? 20 per cent of kids are failing in schools?

Not our problem says the NZEI. Pass the sugar.

 


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  • mike

    The worst thing is that the legislation does not take away anyone’s rights, it just gives flexibility to the employer and employee…

  • Kopua Cowboy

    Oooo nice legs!

    • Kendall

      Really. Put your glasses on.

    • Harroputza

      I would love to do a study on the dress and bearing of teachers and impact on classroom results. To me, these teachers present as slovenly (wrinkled shirts and cardies) and unprofessional (short skirts and sneakers).

      Now, I realise that this is not the classroom, but I’ll bet my left nut that a lot of them dress like that for work as well.

      They might think that clothes are irrelevant to whether they are a good teacher or not, and they might be right. But the best teacher in the world giving the impression that he has low standards is going to transfer that attitude to the students.

      Clothes are how you choose to present yourself. If I were a principal, they would not present themselves like that.

      • Anonthemouser

        I would expect teachers to wear clothes where they can sit on the floor, paint, play sport etc. Bit hard to do all that in a suit. These are primary teachers and I can tell you from experience that you don’t let a 5 year old wielding scissors near expensive clothing.
        I want my kid’s teachers to dress so I can tell that they will engage with the kids, not stand there looking pretty in a suit

  • Once again the teachers themselves ensure that the opinion of them that I have built up over many years, is absolutely correct!

  • metalnwood

    Looks to me like they get tea breaks. Looks to me like they eat plenty of cookies on tea breaks.

    Nothing like a good sit down for a cup of tea after you have just got up from sitting down all day.

  • Col

    Sent my letter to the Trustees 2 week ago, have had no reply as yet, will get on the phone next week and see if the chairlady has received the letter.
    Too many kids falling through the cracks, if I run may business like they run there schools, I would have no one employed.
    I note in Taiwan they are looking at teachers retiring at 55 years old, not sure if that’s good or not, but some think they have a job for life here in NZ, no matter how they do or don’t teach.

    • blokeintakapuna

      I’m reliably informed that the average of a teacher in NZ is 55 y/o.
      If so, no wonder the teachers complain about the kids – because they’re too old and crusty to be able to relate to them… and most of the 55 y/o’s certainly aren’t digital natives capable of teaching the kids software/computer stuff.

      • Col

        Can you see a 60 year old teaching a kid computer skills, yea right!!!

  • conwaycaptain

    6 hrs with an hr off for lunch and half an hour for morning tea that is 4 1/2 hrs per day plus 3 months hols.

    • Tough life, eh?

    • On reflection, my comment may have been a little hasty. Imagine how much harm they could do to young minds if they had them for for 7 or 8 hours – as in a normal working day? Thank God for small mercies.

    • Col

      It is called time management, but they would say it is for the kids not for them.
      Taiwan start at 7 30am finish about 4pm the young kids have lunch and a nap, take 2 hours off for lunch and breaks 6 hours teaching, and then those kids would go to after school teaching until the parents pick them up at 7pm, and some of those teachers do the after school teaching!!!!

  • Tom

    What’s a possessive pronoun again?

    • Well, she is only a teacher. And apostrophes are tricky little bastards at the best of times.

      • Tom

        Hey, I’m a mechanic, what do I know?. Haven’t met an apostrophe in an engine bay yet..

      • Honki

        thats “apostrophe’s” thanks ! a story in the nzh said so.

    • Tweechers!

  • James Growley

    Twits on Twitter.

  • Dick Brown

    I’ve done a little bit of digging from the original link in the story and I’m struggling to find the outrage here.

    NZEI isn’t an organisation responsible for the maintaining of educational standards of the country’s children, nor are they responsible for the punishment and outing of its more wayward members; much like other unions aren’t responsible for the production output of its members nor punishment and outing if they drink and drive.

    So, by definition NZEI are just doing what they are created for; world keeps turning.

    As to the content of their message, well, I guess its part of their responsibility to raise awareness with members and create a tangible base for future negotiation with employers.

    Politics and negotiation 101. Nothing to see here in my opinion.

    • Muffin

      when that union basically becomes a labour political mouthpeice, and stalls and delays every attempt by the government to implement any new systems or structures then its a problem. Unions are a problem

      • Dick Brown

        Isn’t that democracy in action?

        And the responsibility of a professional and relevant Opposition?

        • Muffin

          No choosing the government is democracy, teachers are state employees and are actively via their union failing to follow directives. In private enterprise they would be down the street

          • Dick Brown

            I’m not aware of any specific laws they have broken, nor of any pending court cases; that implies that they are using the tools at their disposal in order to maintain the status quo or effect change.

            The only court case of note in the education sector is the one the Ministry lost in Christchurch because of shonky numbers and advice.

            And just because Novopay seems to have its shit together now the Ministry lost a lot of friends, and not just in the education sector, in that useless debacle.

            No, things are going along gravy; this is what it’s all about.

          • Muffin

            So 20% failure rate is ok by u is it. It’s not gravy, it’s fucking awful, change is needed and the teachers union is helping to prevent it

          • Dick Brown

            Well, I’m not sure where or what those numbers are all about but if it means failure to deliver desired outcomes then maybe we need to really investigate the impact of three things that may have contributed heavily to that failure rate:

            1. The effect on general school and pupil performance due to the Novopay debacle.

            2. The effect on general school and pupil performance due to the Canterbury earthquake.

            3. The effect on general school and pupil performance due to poverty in at-risk areas.

            There is also the fact that not all school’s, despite the rhetoric distributed, are ready for the collating of data for NS so we should automatically be treating any released data as an indicator only and a catalyst for debate on the real issues.

            The time for finger pointing and arguing about true statistical value comes when we have safe data available.

            At the moment it is not safe.

          • Kopua Cowboy

            Re: point 3, define poverty.

          • Dick Brown

            I wouldn’t be so presumptious as to provide link after link after link on something as gravely important as measuring NZ’s poverty level.

            Truth is we don’t know what our level of poverty is because as soon as its brought up everyone seems to get defensive.

            That’s why the point is there; to find out its impact, if any.

          • Ronnie Chow

            Poverty is suffering . Not children suffering from lowlife parenting , but the whole family suffering , without tobacco , drugs and alcohol , no fridge and no TV , in fact no power and no clean drinking water and sparse nutrition . That is poverty.

          • Muffin

            The 20% stat isnt 1 year old, it goes further back than that, before CC, novo pay, and like I have said before we don’t have poverty in NZ. ( shit parents yes but no poverty)

            And if teachers and the union would just do as they are fucking told and get on board with NS rather than fighting it at every turn then we might get some data to work with.

          • Dick Brown

            Again Muffin, we seem to have reached an impasse.

  • Arran Hunt

    I think one of them needs the tea to counteract the carrot juice.

  • rockape

    Add to that the Nurses that were protesting. This week typical for my wife,an ED nurse. About to come home at the end of shift, RTA so had to phone me up to tell me she would be 3 hours late. These Nurses are they going to put tea breaks before patients wellbeing. Trade unions depress me!

  • tarkwin

    There sure are some homely looking wimmin in that there photo. The one on the far right might be OK.

  • Agent BallSack

    Ohh yeah you see I would agree with the cleaners of this room getting the living wage because it’s fucking hard to get rid of the smell of cats.

  • SJ00

    I suggest they stop using their current tea breaks to make stupid signs and posing for stupid photos, and start relaxing like they are supposed to.
    Although I think a few of them could use their breaks to go clothes shopping and avoid the OP Shops.

  • BlockBuster

    I don’t understand why people think that teachers work from 9 till 3, obviously that’s implausible as they wouldn’t be able to get all their work done! Being in the classroom is only one part of the varied, busy life of a modern teacher. And perhaps education results may be tied to a lack of funding? Larger class sizes, less permanent teaching staff and Novapay have a lot to answer for.

  • Geraint Scott

    Teachers definitely don’t work 9 til 3, they do plenty of work outside of school hours. This legislation doesn’t give precious “flexibility” top the employees, it only gives employers the “flexibility” to deny giving a tea break at all.

  • James Barber

    You do know that teachers work 8am – 5pm days right? They’re usually contracted to work a standard 9 hour day and have to fit in meetings, planning, and marking, around that. This is always no way near enough time.

    Teaching is a poorly paid profession, as if nursing. Both of which do look after the well-being of vulnerable people. The best way to ensure that the jobs are done well is to look after the workers, making sure that they are well paid and well equipped. Currently, neither occur in New Zealand.

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