Cry Baby of the Day

“Fonima Crichton has lived in the garage with husband Fossie and four children, including 9-month-old baby Kris, for two years and has been trying for months to find better living conditions for her family.”

They have been living in squalor because they don’t have any money but manage to bang out another child while they are there?!!?!?

“Mr Crichton supported them working as a welder earning $34,000 before he quit to become a minister for the Seventh Day Adventist Church.

In December he will finish the free three-year church minister’s course and start looking for a job”

WTF? 

Quit a paying job to do a 3 year ministers course and can’t support his family, get your priorities sorted out! What sort of half man are ya?

“They receive $200 a week from Inland Revenue’s family assistance benefit and rent costs them $150, meaning a scarce $50 remains for food and other expenses”

What? You can get $150/week for renting out the garage? Sounds like a good money spinner to me!

The media and Labour are getting desperate in foisting first a 23 year old property investor on us as a hapless potential homeowner and now this indigrnt family who only have themselves to blame for their predicament.

This is a classic cry-baby situation.

Being a minister doesn’t pay…go back to welding you fool…oh and get some contraception.

 


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  • GazzW

    Surely the Seventh Day Adventurers should look after them.

    • DLNZ

      Driving around South Auckland and seeing all the huge expensive church buildings with satellite dishes is disgusting. Meanwhile, kids go hungry to pay for it all.

      • Patrick

        Great business model exploiting the poor, between the churches & Unions it is little wonder these people have no money.

    • kehua

      Nah they will be tithing half the 50 bucks left over.

  • ConwayCaptain

    Why didn’t the WEALTHY SDA Church support them???
    Why give up a job when you know that you wont get paid and why have another kid.
    Oh I forgot that PI Ministers are treated like royalty and wait until he gets on the SDA Minister gravy train.

  • Michael

    And also having lifetime social housing based solely on need at time of renting. State House tenants should be moved on when they are no longer reliant on the state and there are others in much greater need.

    And, of course, the Government should be doing all it can to stop people making stupid decisions by not subsidising situations like this.

    • justin

      How many people are living in garages? Does housing nz (and child protection services) know about this? This just shouldn’t be happening – three years in the garage?!!

      • Cracker1963

        Its it illegal to dwell in a garage?

  • Dave

    Kiwis, there is a wake up call in this story!! Living in Aussie, most kiwis do not qualify for ANY benefits or other housing supplements, study loans etc.these are for Aussie citizens only, kiwis arriving after 2001 only get a special visa.

    Surely Paula /JK can introduce this for ALL PI and Aussies moving to Aoteroa so that they are not entitled to the benefits at all. Think of the savings to NZ. Its also only fair for NZ to reciprocate Aussie’s policy, and extend it to the PI region.

    Please Paula, a great initiative to introduce early next year.

    Shame it cant be introduced to all PI or Aussies arriving after say…… 1500 :)

    • ConwayCaptain

      They can get it after they have lived here for 5 years and paid tax.
      Also anyone who gets to retirement age must have paid tax for 15 years before being eligible for the OAP

      • justin

        And all this immigration add pressure on the housing market.

    • Brian of Mt Wellington

      Why do you think the Aussie Govt did this. Pacific Islanders wanting to live in Aussie did it by getting NZ citizenship first which was easy then moved to Aussie. This was one way to stop it but it meant we all got penalized.

      • Cracker1963

        You will find that it was to stop boat people & South Africans getting in via the back door- I read somewhere that the PI’s in Aust do very well thank you & have just as low rates of unemployment as Kiwis. Plus, the Wallabies would be even worse than they are now without the significant number of talented PI players in the team!

      • Pissedoffyouth

        I worked with a woman from India who got her citizenship and by the end of the week had packed up and moved, no shit

        • AnonWgtn

          I worked with an Indian South African woman also who once family got NZ Citizenship they went to Australia.
          But that was only the start. It was US they really wanted so it was easier to get to Canada first, and thence easier to get to US where they now are.

  • Pissedoffyouth

    I saw this and almost died of shock – when will these idiots learn to stop having children? Quitting to be a minister? Great career advice there mate

    • Kiwi

      My cleaning girl belongs to one of these evangelical churches. At the moment her pastor is boarding with her as he and his wife have decided to split up due to friction over money woes. He was one of those salesman who drove around selling good on commission from his van, in the lower socio economic areas and altho’ the church members helped out he could not earn enough to support his wife and TEN children he could never cover the bills.. When I met him, he happily told me that all is fine now – she (his ex-wife) receives over $1000 per week from WINZ and he has found a job collecting eggs. But the real knock out was when he informed me he had never read a book in all his forty years of life – apart from the Bible and his one precious belonging is a Bible he paid hundreds of dollars for several years ago. When he couldn’t even feed his children properly!
      To me, he seems to be a narcissicist – never stops talking about himself and how to be a good Christian. Always dressed in the latest clothes, smart phone to ear and brain totally absent.

      • jedmo

        The shocking fact here is the State paying out $1000 weekly to this family…(tax free? equivalent to $1500 per week if you actually had to earn it?) No sense of responsibility asked for of the receiver, just a sense of “gimme gimme” entitlement; no exercising of any responsibility by the giver (the State), just throwing away the taxes paid by hard-working earners.

  • Saccharomyces

    Must’ve been a pretty shit welder to be getting $34k a year.

    • Garbageman

      Exactly…this is the industry i am in(even though im a desk jockey) our production line boys earn a good 15k more than that and if you contract and have the correct ticket you can name your price

    • justin

      I’m not in that industry but that did seem incredibly low pay. Mind you if you do my calculation ($600k divided by ($34k+$15k) you get a 12.2 multiplier of income to house price). Auckland housing prices are just ridiculous for the incomes in that city. Govt needs to stop blowing up the property bubble – no more accomodation support and no more writing interest on mortgages against ones personal income.

      • Pissedoffyouth

        Why the drive to own a house? In a lot of places in Auckland renting is far cheaper and if you don’t earn that much just rent. You can’t take that house with you when you die

        • justin

          But if you rent then you will have to keep paying rent for the rest of your life. POY let me put it in a good right wing way… we have a govt that is paying big accommodation support every week for a massive chunk of NZer’s. These guys will never own their own home… so the govt will keep paying the accommodation support forever. If property ownership was within reach then after 25 (long mortgage) the have no more accommodation cost for the rest of their lives.
          You ignoring this being pro landlord/property investor stance.
          Add in the benefits of owning own home (less crime, more involvement with community, more likely to care for neighbourhood).

          • Pissedoffyouth

            I think you’re right, that you’ll be paying rent for your entire life otherwise but in saying that its the same argument as to have kids or not.

            You could slave away paying a mortgage, rates, maintenance etc or you could just live life and be able to move freely and not have unexpected floor rotting issues or a broken water pipe. I want to own a house but seeing the stress involved kind of makes you cringe a little.

            With kids its the same, slave away paying for children or enjoy your income to buy nice things with for your entire life.

          • justin

            POY – seriously your a really intelligent, articulate and right wing kiwi. New Zealand needs you to have a shit load of babies.
            Fuck worrying about the floor boards and pipes. In 100 years from now no one will give a shit about us… but the place will be full of idiots.

          • James

            Why is it the Government’s job to ensure that housing is affordable?
            The only people whose job in any way comes in to it is local council; who need to ensure that there is an adequate supply of land for housing for the people living in their region. Then you leave it up to the market to make sure the houses are built in the right areas.
            The problem in Auckland is that the cuntcil has totally failed in its responsibilities; and therefore the market price is increasing as there is high levels of demand and not enough supply.

          • justin

            Exactly James the (local) government has interfered in the market with high costs and land restrictions that the market
            The Government (at least our National Government) should be seeking to provide an environment where the property market is free to operate.

          • philbest

            James, you and Justin are onto it. The underlying problems are: democratic “tyranny of the majority” who don’t want to see house prices fall (so much for the Kiwi “fair go” culture); and rational ignorance helped by ideologically biased news media.

            Media editors possibly have Investment Properties of their own, but in many cases they are far too close to Len Brown ideologically.

            Lefty Len gets away with claiming “we have a mandate” for a compact city, because when polled, most people assent to the general idea of a compact city. But the questions that are never asked at the right time, are, “are YOU going to live in an apartment”; ” do you want your kids to live in an apartment all their lives”; “do you want apartments built on your street and over your back fence”; and “will YOU give up using your car and catch public transport”?

            The Yanks we love to sneer at for their lack of worldly sophistication have worked out long since that if you want to live the way you want to live, you have to let growth happen “somewhere else”; i.e. “sprawl” is a necessity.

            The lamestream media also does not fact check the blatant lie that “increased density will restore affordability”. Only one question needs to be asked: “example, please, from anywhere in the world”.

            The simple solution that central government should enact, is to allow the quick and easy creation of new municipalities outside Council Urban Planners growth boundaries, which is literally how it works in most US States. If you can meet the codes for water, sewerage, drainage and a few other essentials; and pay back the borrowed funding via future rates revenue in your own newly created municipality, away you go – nothing stopping you.

            Voluntary amalgamations when it makes sense, later on, are common. Small and local is beautiful; all-powerful “Super Cities” and “Regional Planning” are a disaster for society and the economy. It is nothing more than a slice of the old dismally failed USSR transplanted into the modern economy.

          • philbest

            James, you and Justin are onto it. The underlying problems are: democratic “tyranny of the majority” who don’t want to see house prices fall (so much for the Kiwi “fair go” culture); and rational ignorance helped by ideologically biased news media.

            Media editors possibly have Investment Properties of their own, but in many cases they are far too close to Len Brown ideologically.

            Lefty Len gets away with claiming “we have a mandate” for a compact city, because when polled, most people assent to the general idea of a compact city. But the questions that are never asked at the right time, are, “are YOU going to live in an apartment”; ” do you want your kids to live in an apartment all their lives”; “do you want apartments built on your street and over your back fence”; and “will YOU give up using your car and catch public transport”?

            The Yanks we love to sneer at for their lack of worldly sophistication have worked out long since that if you want to live the way you want to live, you have to let growth happen “somewhere else”; i.e. “sprawl” is a necessity.

            The lamestream media also does not fact check the blatant lie that “increased density will restore affordability”. Only one question needs to be asked: “example, please, from anywhere in the world”.

            The simple solution that central government should enact, is to allow the quick and easy creation of new municipalities outside Council Urban Planners growth boundaries, which is literally how it works in most US States. If you can meet the codes for water, sewerage, drainage and a few other essentials; and pay back the borrowed funding via future rates revenue in your own newly created municipality, away you go – nothing stopping you.

            Voluntary amalgamations when it makes sense, later on, are common. Small and local is beautiful; all-powerful “Super Cities” and “Regional Planning” are a disaster for society and the economy. It is nothing more than a slice of the old dismally failed USSR transplanted into the modern economy.

          • philbest

            Yeah, but buying a house at the peak of a price bubble, at artificially low interest rates that are certain to go back up, and house prices likely to revert to historical mean, is not a wiser choice than renting and waiting. Lots of young householders in California and Ireland could tell you that – and at least the Californians had non-recourse mortgages.

            The fact that rents are so much lower than the cost of buying with a mortgage, is a classic symptom of a bubble, same as when in the share market, dividend earnings don’t justify the prices people are paying for the shares.

        • Mr_Blobby

          At some stage you will want to retire.

          If you have a debt free property and no borrowings.

          Then you really don’t need that much to live on. The secret is to reduce your living expenses, to what you can afford.

      • Garbageman

        For Around 200K down here (Invercargill) you will own a nice 3 bedroom house with a large section,5 minute drive to work and an awesome lifestyle

        • Yeah but you got Shadbolt!

          • Garbageman

            Ouch below the belt m8,Yet true dammit

          • Bunswalla

            Definition of irony – someone from the ‘Tron having a go at any other city in the country’s Mayor and council!

        • ConwayCaptain

          Here in the warmer climes of the Southern Marches of the Waikato you can buy a NICE 3brm house, well built and clean and tidy for 200-220K. A nice 3 brm ex Housing Corp house has just sold for 180K.
          For 300K you can buy a MANSION.
          I have just done my business insurance and the broker told me she and her husband have moved to Tuakau to see if they like it. They rented a house in Akl for $500 and got a better one for $300 pw and they can buy there for 150-200K less than in Akl and 45 min drive to work.
          When businesses realise they are being shafted in Akl and start moving out then Loopy and co will realise they are in the shit

          • philbest

            I would love it if you were right. Problem is Hamilton is already going anti growth because the NIMBYs don’t like it. Your house price median multiples are already too high, following Tauranga’s upwards.

            People need to understand that there is no more reason for housing on the urban fringe of larger and/or faster growing cities to be more expensive, than there is for bread or milk or shoes or a flat screen TV to be more expensive. Farmland is the same cost almost everywhere until the urban planners start drawing growth boundaries.

            Beautiful California was affordable and booming economically and growing twice as fast in the 1950’s and 60’s as affordable, economically booming Texas is now. CA went unaffordable when it went anti-growth.

            Absolute urban hell, economically blighted, unpleasant climate cities with growth boundaries are still stupidly expensive, eg in the UK. If you don’t have some very high income “export” sectors in your urban economy, it will die even as the property investors and landlords cream it. If it survives because it does have very high income “export” sectors like Global Finance or IT, this will still be very costly and onerous for the bottom income quartile. Look at the squalid conditions that exist in London just kms away from Mansionvilles. And EVERYONE is paying several times as much as necessary for their housing, to the profit of the investor/landlord class, especially the long term incumbent owners of land in the city. Some of the owners of prime land in UK cities have been in the same family since about 1600. Of course UK urban policies and urban land values have been much better for them than Houston urban policies and urban land values would have been.

          • conwaycaptain

            Same families since 1600!!!! go back to 1066. The greatest landowner in the UK are the Grosvenor’s who came over with Guillaume le Conquerant!!!

            A lot of the land and buildings in London are Leasehold as well.

          • philbest

            Thanks Conway, you are a true scholar.

            I don’t know how far back the families Bedford, Cadogan, De Walden and Portman go, but they are known as “The London Dukes” and their families still own much of central London.

    • Bunswalla

      Did a quick check on Seek for welders in Auckland. Plenty listed but only 2 showed hourly rates. One was $25 – $35 per hour, the other $35 – $45 per hour.

      So at the low end the annual salary is $52,000 and the high end over $90k – you’d have to be pretty shit to only get $34k, but it’s still a hell of a lot better than, well NOTHING.

    • Mr_Blobby

      Probably building trailers.

  • Agent BallSack

    Oh well she only has 3 months to wait and her husband will be able to get a job working on the rebuild. How stupid is he? There has been jobs galore in CHCH for building trades and he lives on our money to become a minister. Man up and look after your fucking family.

    • ConcernedTaxpayer

      And don’t you just love it when a review of state housing prompts the following (from the Dom Post yesterday):
      Labour housing spokesman Phil Twyford said the reviews would see the
      elderly and disabled removed from their homes, despite assurances they
      would not be.

      Their homes??? FFS

    • justin

      But again Aucklanders should be able to live in Auckland.

  • Col

    I reckon he should have prayed harder.
    This Bullshit, but then again Labour voters like a good TV drama.
    Watch this space, coming soon the death of a ?????

  • Red

    How much of the $200 a week is being Tithed to the Church, would be the question…. 10% is the norm I think

  • ConwayCaptain

    In the Islands many of the Pastor positions are passed from father to son. They live off the 10% tithe and at collection time at the service they point out who hasn’t given enough.
    They are parasites of the 1st order. You just have to see how many churches there are in the PIs and how much they scam off the flock.

  • johnbronkhorst

    2 words.
    CHOICES…….CONSEQUENSES

  • Brian of Mt Wellington

    This idiot obviously doesn’t know where his priorities should be. What an atitude, give up a good paying job that is supporting your family for a non paying religious course that forces you to live in so called squalor. I wouldn’t mind betting that there is more to this story like normal and they are better off than what is published.

  • Bunswalla

    Why don’t they just sell Fossie’s Gay Ute and use the money to get a better house?

  • SJ00

    Nice of someone to rent out their garage for $150 a week…
    Shouldn’t both of them be on a bene? Shouldn’t they be bringing in more than $200 a week between them?
    And there is no way a family of 6 can survive on $50 a week for food and expenses. They would be dead. So more bullshit there.
    Why not just give us all the details rather than trying to sell a sob story that clearly isn’t accurate at all.

    • Sarrs

      Something is very wrong with this story. They say they are receiving a benefit from the IRD but the IRD only administer Working for Families, which you only get if you are working. $200 a week? Bullshit. The dole for a single person is more than that.

      Who was responsible for fact checking this story? Or does the media just believe what they are told because they don’t think that poor people would lie?

  • justin

    OK hold on. The whole situation seems to be messed up.
    Firstly Auckland housing is crazy… families living in garages that’s what happens in Mumbai not here in NZ this should not be allowed.
    Secondly three kids is not excessive the guy is retraining (don’t attack him for his field of work)… why because full time welder only gets $34k in Auckland how can anyone buy a house in Auckland on that. Average is $600k or 17.6 times his income. [I would venture to say that a welder should have an average income and live in an average house].
    Thirdly (guessing here that he a minister) he’s a law abiding citizen – not a filthy crim.
    Fourthly – the property market is bubbly exactly because of the government giving $150 rental subsidy to a garage (I can see the Barfoot and Thomson agent saying “whack on another $200k to the asking price as it comes with an income).
    This is all just such a bloody mess.

    • James

      Average may be $600k across Auckland but in the parts of Auckland that a PI pastor would want to live in (to be close to his flock) you can pick up a 2 bed flat for under $200k (http://www.realestate.co.nz/1857463).
      And three kids may not be excessive – but the point is that he had the third when he was retraining and they were broke.

    • philbest

      It is worth considering here, what has happened over the last 6 decades in the UK. The cost of land per square foot in the cities has inflated relative to incomes, to the point where it is now around 300 times “too high” compared to free market benchmarks like Houston. Prof. Paul Cheshire of the LSE, who was in NZ in January, is a guru on all this.

      This means that “housing” has got tighter and tighter at the same time as the proportion of people’s incomes dedicated to it has risen. And some cohort at the bottom of the market is always “priced out” completely. If everyone works and saves a bit harder, the same proportion of people still have to miss out – this is the way that planned rationing works.

      So now they do have an epidemic of people living in garages and so on – and some Councils are doing Infra-Red aerial photographic mapping at night to pick up “warm spots” that their inspectors can use to descend on properties during the day and evict the illegal dwellers and fine the illegal landlords. Also, people daring to erect “informal” housing in unused rural areas are arrested. Otherwise the essential difference between housing in London and Mumbai is that the “informal” slums in Mumbai are too big to clear by force.

      Is this the sort of path that Kiwis really want to be led down by Len Brown and Co?

    • jedmo

      For Pete’s sake, this family CHOSE to give up an income and live on nothing; that is fine by me if they accept the hardship that ensues, but they don’t; they are having a “sook” about it and wanting others (taxpayers) to subsidise their life choices.

      • justin

        Yeah don’t want to over defend this guy, but still valid re $$

  • Corner_shop_not

    For farks sake.
    Man earns wage to provide for family. Man gives up said wage to follow his ‘calling’. ergo man can no longer earn wage or provide for family,
    WHAT THE FUCK did he think was going to happen?? God was miraculously going to feed and house his off spring?!
    I mean how is this even a story that warrants anything more than the headline:
    Stupid people continue to do stupid things then whinge about it.
    Grrr
    Apu has spoken, thank you come again.

    • Pissedoffyouth

      Comment of the day

    • Well said Apu! You is da man!

  • Patrick

    $34k per year & still living in Auckland? They would be better off moving to a provincial town where housing costs are half – he would probably get paid more too, if he is any good & willing to put in a days work.

    • justin

      Just highlights the gulf between income and property prices.

      • philbest

        Yeah, in the free market property markets in US cities, not only are decent new fringe family homes half the price of here, small apartments are a fifth the price, and you can get something exponentially better than a garage for $150 per week. I kid you not – RE sites in most US cities would blow most Kiwis minds for the sheer value for money.

        722 properties for $30,000 or less in Houston on one RE site:

        http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Houston_TX/price-na-30000

        And we are talking about the most economically booming city in the entire modern world here. Hint: low urban land prices, the result of free markets in urban land, are an economic ADVANTAGE.

        • justin

          Imagine what could be spent in kiwi businesses if housing costs (aka mortgage interest to aussie banks) were much lower.

          • philbest

            Absolutely.

            Politicians and central bankers have been partly motivated by short term thinking, to get households who already own their homes, cashing out and spending against the increased “value” of their property. This provides a boost to the economy at the time. However, the debt accumulated has to be paid back one day.
            And of course the longer the inflated house prices apply, the more that every newly formed household has its lifetime of discretionary income squeezed by housing costs.
            NZ had its artificial boom from 2000 – 2007, which enabled Mikhail Cullen to bask in record tax receipts and spend like a drunken sailor without looking irresponsible. Same story everywhere there has been a house price bubble. Economies behaving this way will be utterly out-performed in the long term by those that maintain stable urban land prices.
            I wish the USA did not have such disparately performing markets – nevertheless I have been picking for a while that the South and the heartland “owns” the future of western civilisation and there is nowhere else worth moving to, starting a business in, or investing in. Central to this is the attitude to building stuff and extracting resources. “Greenie” ideology is largely post-enlightenment and this will increasingly show up in post-enlightenment economic performance too.

          • justin

            Er, um don’t mention it but JK and the Nats have out spent Cullen and ‘She who must not be named’.

          • philbest

            Yeah, this is another legacy of lefty economic ignorance enshrined as economic wisdom in our time. Even “Tory” in Name Only parties are following it, just as they are following Carbon reduction ideology and cringing multiculturalism. This is happening all over the world.
            It doesn’t matter that preceding the bust, government receipts and revenue were already a record high. Now “stimulus spending” is needed to get the economy going again, based on unprecedented deficit levels, and anything else is harsh “austerity”. Even Keynes himself is being grossly misrepresented as the author of this nonsense, as he was talking about government share of GDP of around 25%, reducing in the boom times and with surpluses being salted away in readiness for the lean times; and the stimulus periods involving TEMPORARY boosts in government share of GDP of up to near 30%.
            I think Ludwig Von Mises is the economist that is soon to be proved right, but the theoretical victory will be a Pyrhhic one.

    • he must have been a shit welder.

      • Patrick

        Pretty good with his other “rod” though – 4 kids & all

  • Arran Hunt

    So they don’t get any other benefits? If not they are fools. More likely the left (and the MSM) have neglected to mention all of the facts.

    • Daniel

      This is likely – the background to the story doesn’t make any sense. The IRD do not administer any benefits (WINZ do that – IRD only handle working for families). And there is no benefit called the “Family Assistance Benefit” (WINZ has an A-Z of benefits on their website). Also $200 is strangley nice round figure that all their benefits/assistence add up to. Sounds like the reporter, Monica Tischler, has just repeated the hogwash they’ve been told and haven’t bothered to spend even a second fact-checking.
      It makes me quite frustrated that people like Monica Tishcler are described as journalists when they are just hacks.

  • Don’t worry. All will be solved once Silent T gets in – and gives them the Living Wage!

  • drummerboy

    I guess in his studies to become a minister he missed 1 Timothy 5:8 “Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever”.

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