It isn’t about winning or losing, it is about doing the right thing

Nice to get some feedback from someone that doesn’t share any of my politics, but at least can see through all the smoke and mirrors that Len Brown’s Spin  Monkeys are putting up with the help of a complicit media.

Afternoon Cam,

You’re getting a lot of negative attention for the Brown stuff, and I thought I’d send you a message of support.

The Len Brown reveal is about facts. It’s not you ranting about teachers and unions – stuff that you could validly be criticised for. You revealed something to the public, something that is most assuredly not someone’s “private life.” People will rant about “two consenting adults” but when there are such power disparities as the mayor and an aspiring politician, even consent becomes a structural myth.

You shone sunlight on some unethical, dishonest behaviour. As a socialist I think the one thing that separates us from the rightists is our higher moral code; we believe in altruism not selfishness. And when a self-appointed champion of the left acts dishonestly, how can we claim the moral high ground? How can we say WE care about the poor, the uneducated, the underfed, when we show such moral decrepitude in other areas?

Thanks, Cam.

Reclaiming The Left

Thanks for that.   It is nice to know that there are people to whom doing the right thing isn’t a left/right issue.


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  • Credit to your correspondent for calling things as they are. There is good and bad on both sides of the political divide, as we have seen this week.

  • Scooby01

    “As a socialist I think the one thing that separates us from the rightists is our higher moral code; we believe in altruism not selfishness”

    What an utter load of bollocks. This is a myth that is perpetuated by the leftards to make them feel better about themselves. Some of the most cynical, tight-fisted and mean spirited people I know are all dye in the wool Labour supporters. Some of the most generous people I know vote ACT.

    What really separates lefties from righties, is their propensity to spout complete and utter bullshit and believe it like it was gospel.

    • dyannt

      Agree, absolute bollocks. If altruism was the by-word for a lefty, then there would be absolutely no need for pre-election bribes from the Labour/Green party.
      Of course they all listen to the same radio station WIIFM (Whats In It For Me)

    • Andy

      “Liberals seem to assume that, if you don’t believe in their particular
      political solutions, then you don’t really care about the people that
      they claim to want to help.” – Thomas Sowell

    • Magoo

      I thought that it was bs too. Here’s a scientific study that shows Republican voters give more to charity than Democrats:

      The other popular lefty lies are that Nazi’s are right wingers when they were really a pack of socialists, Republicans are racists even though they freed the slaves in the civil war and ensured that black children could go to white schools in the 60’s (Democrats have a long history of association with the KKK), that Robin Hood was a left winger when in reality he was returning back to the poor what the govt had stolen from them via taxes. In fact if you think about it, just about ALL the murder and carnage of the 20th century was the fault of the socialists and communists – Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Vietnam, Korea, etc.

  • Toryboy

    The “higher moral code” is greed and selfishness in my opinion; he should read Atlas Shrugged to look at America 2013 to see what happens when no hopers loot the productive and successful.

  • John Drinnan

    Anonymous socialist backs whale

    • notrotsky

      Trained and skilled hack goes trolling…

    • They aren’t anonymous to me…fuck you are a drop kick of immense proportions…I suppose you want a name and address so you can send around your photographers to pap him so you can run a name and shame article about people who support Cam.

      You are a ratbag repeater, you certainly don;t qualify as a journalist….If I was your editor I’d be telling you to stay off Twitter and stop being a troll in irrelevant blogs…but you and that prick Th Gurnard just can’t seem to stay away and every day I embarrass that pathetic rag you work for.

      You guys should hold your heads in shame at you lack of either skill of ability in the news stakes. Now fuck off.

      • blokeintakapuna

        …and once again, another Whale spanking!

        Whale just opened a can of Whip-Ass on his butt!

    • muffinmclay

      You really are a sausage smoker…. hows Krim dot com?

      • Meg

        Successfully helping get John Banks sent to court for electoral fraud.

        • GregM

          Despite the fact Mr Dotcom is a convicted criminal with outstanding federal arrest warrants , *IF* banks is guilty I hope they nail him to the wall. I would also hope you would apply the same scrutiny to Labour candidate Daljit Singh for his “alleged” electoral fraud as well.

          • Meg

            Banks is as guilty as sin, and everyone knows it. But he still has a chance to avoid responsibility for his lies and crimes if he has a good enough lawyer.

            And as for the Labour fellow, if they have the proof then prosecute him too.

      • John Drinnan

        another whale-ism in whale comments – imitation really is sincerwst form of flattery

        • muffinmclay

          Keep going John I told the subscription line that you and the gurnard were the main reason I didn’t see any value in getting the herald. I’m happy as I also managed to get my parents to cancel their subscription as well.

  • GregM

    Horseshit. “we believe in altruism not selfishness”, Well I believe in NOT spending other peoples money and remaining independent from the state, while giving a hand up to those that need it. How can that be selfish?
    There are ratbags right across the political spectrum, no one can claim “the moral high ground”.

  • Pita

    “As a socialist I think the one thing that separates us from the
    rightists is our higher moral code; we believe in altruism not

    A sweeping generalisation if ever there was one… the writer is seriously deluded. Maybe in their realm Santa Claus does exist and unicorns do roam, if they believe that more power to them. But to grandiosely suggest that the socialists are somehow better, demonstrates a naivety beyond belief.

    I guess in his world the socialist despots of recent history were merely misunderstood.

    • Elliot Flowers

      Brown was acting unselfishly. He was sharing girls and venereal diseases with a South African.

  • montikaza

    I’d rather have the truth. If a man can’t be honest with his wife and family, it shows he’s weak of character and a coward. Yet, there are people that value these attributes if opinion polls are to be believed…

    • People can and do make mistakes…however this was a two year affair interrupted only for the election in case it got embarrassing.

      • Mr Sackunkrak

        I hadn’t thought of that, he only stopped banging her because of the election. How cynical.

      • Meg

        2 years, 2 weeks 2 decades. The length matters not one jot. As long as he does his job as mayor, his private life his is own to deal with.

      • Elliot Flowers

        That’s a new angle.

  • timemagazine

    If only the socialists care about the poor, the unfed…means that the other half of country is heartless, careless…In this case Mr. Socialism, can you also see your huge ego?

  • nzd.gbp

    Enjoyable sex is so theoretical to some people that they have to make up shit like this:

    “People will rant about “two consenting adults” but when there are such power disparities as the mayor and an aspiring politician, even consent becomes a structural myth.”

    Poor wee adulteress fucking the big powerful mayor when really she only aspired to fuck the electorate.

    • Bunswalla

      Adulteress? So you’re saying Bevan Chuang is married, are you – that’s a new one.

      I suppose you could be just talking out of your arse. Time to fuck off for another 3 months and see if you can come up with anything vaguely intelligent next time. Not holding my breath.

      • nzd.gbp

        That’s uncharacteristically sensitive of you Bunswalla. Almost like you have an interest in the line people take on this.

        I don’t really care about the adultery much though, to be honest. What I cared about was the left wing bullshit about sex and power and using phrases such as “even consent becomes a structural myth” as if it means anything. It’s like being back in wellington. Much more interesting to me than this nonsense about the poor wee dear being taken advantage of by the cockroach of a mayor you have. If it brings him down then great. He’s a creep. So is she. She’s a star fucker.

        Now, I’ll probably fuck off for 3 months trying to think of something to say that you’ll approve of.

  • John Drinnan

    its just that so many of your commenters use the exact same turn of phrase that you do – self aggrandising, slightly vicious – very different to your very rational Tv persona.

    • GregM

      Hello John, I have a suggestion.
      I enjoy reading reports from all media commentators including you, because it gives me an insight to the quality of information we are getting. here is my suggestion:
      Write a “guest post” for this blog with your opinion about the health of the news industry in NZ.
      My questions would be why are so many people so disillusioned with what is being delivered, and when did political point scoring and “advocacy” become more important than accurately reporting the news.
      The news is important to us all, and it needs to be accurate and un biased.
      I look forward to your thoughts.
      Regards, Greg.

    • Bunswalla

      A back-handed compliment if ever there was one.

    • mick le prick

      You’re only loitering here incase you Hacks at the Herald miss another big story lol

  • Meg

    Who knew the right thing also involved trying to get Brown’s mistress to become a porn star. As if this hasn’t gone bad enough for those who are pushing the story, now we have a porn offer in the mix.

    Ahhhh the right. Defending us from the evil left and pretending their own shit doesnt stink.

    • GregM

      Meg / kosh /etc, come on man, if it’s in Stuff it must be true….right?
      Even if it is true, unfortunately this is probably the only job offer this girl is ever going to get. I have genuine compassion for this girl, but she tried playing with the big players to further her own agenda and didn’t quite manage to pull it off ( titter ). I wish her the best for her future.

      • Meg

        She is not the only one to have had this train wreak negatively impact on her.

        The right have come out looking very dirty indeed. Hell Len is now getting sympathy for the way he has been treated. Cam really screwed this up big time.

    • Bunswalla

      Yawn – typical SST headlines, all about the messenger and victim, nothing about the lying cheating deceitful adulterer.

      I heard you were offered a million dollars to do a porno with your scene being taken from behind by a goat, with Kim DotCrim up a tree, pissing on you both.

      Shall we put that in the paper shall we? Then people can say who knew that teachers were so depraved?

      • Meg

        LOL, how cute. Denying the fact that this has been a massive mess for the right since day 2 of the story.