Just exactly how badly is Cunliffe doing?

via canada.com

via canada.com

One of our readers came up with this bit of research

An example of how badly Cunliffe is actually doing; here are the preferred PM numbers from party leaders a month or so in the job –  

Lange – Feb 1983 31%
McClay – Feb 1985 16%
Bolger – April 1986 22%
Palmer – September 1989 40%
Moore – October 1990 38%
Clark – Feb 1994 21%
Shipley – Dec 1997 35%
English – Nov 2001 18%
Brash – Feb 2004 26%

With Cunliffe on 12%, it doesn’t look flash for him.  He’s already written off before he gets started.

National support is 45%, Key as preferred PM: 43%  – 95.6% support of own party

Labour support is 34%, Cunliffe as preferred PM: 12%  – 35.3% support of own party

United Labour Party my arse…

The unions are the tail wagging the dog  here, and even their own voter base don’t like the look of it.

 


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  • johnbronkhorst

    and
    Cunliffe Oct 2013….12%
    Shearer Feb 2013….10%
    Goff October 2011…13.7%
    Bring back goofy!!??
    How has cunliffe made a difference? The figures are within their respective margins of error.

    • Sean Fitzpatrick

      Goff was actually their best bet – at least he represents the more moderate (one might almost say right wing) faction of the party. Still the best of a very bad bunch though.

      • johnbronkhorst

        Though Shearer looked at his most uncomfortable when promoting the more leftist of labour’s policies…more stumble, mumbles and bumbles.

  • peterwn

    McClay 16% – he was ‘white anted’ by Rob Muldoon who blamed everyone else but himself for his demise and that gave Jim Bolger his window of opportunity.

  • AnonWgtn

    At Party Conference next week Labour are going to endorse both ManBan, and introduce positive Homosexuality (preferably so called women) for new MPs.
    It appears that with the new polls out Cunliffe is n.b.g. already as he has made no real gain in the polls.
    As a result of this I believed that many of his MPs, having scratched up a good pension, will quit at the next election eg Phil Goff, Annette King, Trevor Mallard, plus a rag tag of nonentities.
    This of course supported by the Unions, as they are now the real Labour, as we will see at the conference.

    • johnbronkhorst

      I keep saying it.
      The labour party is and always has been the political wing of the unions. They have been painting it, for years, with the help of a compliant media, that the unions are the support group for labour (bullshit)!!
      When the unions see the Labour party drifting away from their goal of compulsory unionism (again), they yank the chain and you get a cunliffe!

      • Hazards001

        Well of course they are the political wing of the unions. Hence the name Labour.

        Their biggest problem these days is they don’t really appeal to their traditional support base and really need a more appropriate name and brand…could I suggest…

        • IWantToBeLikeMallardOneDay

          Labia.

    • cows4me

      The retards will drown in their own politically correct bullshit.

  • Whafe

    As we all said, a new leader will do nothing to help the NZ Labour Party… And looky at that, all is reavealed that nothing to the contrary is happening…
    The whole of a man that is Cunning Cunliffe, culd never be the the PM of NZ, he hasn’t the humility, honest and integrity to be the PM… Nasty bastards don’t make PM’s…
    Glad to see that NZ is waking up to the sham that is the lolly scramble Labour have been touting

    • blokeintakapuna

      …but his CV reads so well though…

    • IWantToBeLikeMallardOneDay

      Helen der Clarkenfuhrer was a nasty bastard

  • blokeintakapuna

    The only traction Labour have been getting is with complicit Old Media who spin Labour’s propaganda now, awaiting and hoping for lower hanging fruit after the next election.

    NZ has seen through the bullshit they attempt to manufacture… And the polls show it.

    Labour & Old Media have lost control of the conversation and therefore the narrative they attempt to push. Their lies are exposed by Whale… Crushing their invented crisis’s they attempt to portray. How goes the expose on Rest Homes anyway?

  • Bunswalla

    Quite revealing that Key has a higher preferred rating after 5 years in the job than every other new leader in the first flush of enthusiasm and optimism.

    Secondary question on those figures – which of the leaders mentioned were in opposition at the time, and which were in power? I think Palmer, Moore and Shipley were in power but none of the others.

  • blairmulholland

    The Preferred PM poll isn’t worth a cup of warm piss. The only time Leaders of the Opposition ever show up ahead in it is right before an election they are about to win. And it’s silly to have a poll on a position you can’t even vote for.

    • rockape

      Wasnt the low polling of Goeff and Shearer why Labour went for a new leader?

      • stephen2d

        Only when combined with the party vote poll and how they fare amongst their own.

    • Bunswalla

      Using that logic, it’s pointless to have a poll on anything except on election day. Who cares how many “would” vote for Labour, National or McGillicuddy Serious now, when there’s not going to be an election for another year or more?

      • blairmulholland

        How does that logically follow from what I said? I never disparaged party vote polling. That measures intentions of something people can actually do, which is vote for the party of their choice. What does the Preferred PM poll measure? You can’t vote on who the PM is! It’s a meaningless question. At the 1990 election, Mike Moore consistently outpolled Bolger in this poll, but who won by a landslide? Certainly not Moore.

        • mike

          But you do know who the PM will be… if you vote for Labour you get Cunny, if you vote for National you get Key. And by that logic it’s a very good indicator of which way swing voters will go, and it’s the swing votes that win elections.

          • blairmulholland

            But that is better reflected in the Party vote poll. Otherwise the Preferred PM poll would reflect the same result, and there is almost never a correlation. I can vote National but prefer Winston for PM all I want (for example!), but it ain’t going to happen. Most swing voters are low information anyway, and will say stupid shit like that to pollsters. The bulk of them may not even know who the Leader of the Opposition is. The PM may be the only politician they can name. So outside of election time, it’s pretty much a given that the PM will top that poll whether his or her Party is popular or not. It tells us NOTHING.

  • rockape

    No one should be surprised. Cunliffe was disliked in the caucus,talks down to his party supporters and cant answer a straight question from the press so despite their lefty leanings even they show distaste for him. Come the election debates it will be Key who is getting good at effective and direct one liners v Cunliffe who takes 10 questions to get one answer and still no-one knows what he actually said. He was hailed as the great communicator, he is anything but. He may do well in smoke filled rooms but outside that he is a poor showing. Mind you, he is a messenger for some pretty poor policies so have some sympathy.

    • johnbronkhorst

      He keeps waving his arm and yelling follow me….nobody does!!
      Visions of WW 1 commanders advancing from the trenches ………to certain slaughter…perhaps???

      • Agent BallSack

        Since it’s Labour he leads from the rear JBH

        • rockape

          I remember getting in a bit of trouble when I left my unit and at my farewell speech presented my Group Captain with a 2 peaked cap with the logo, “I am their Leader,which way did they go” Sort of fits the last 3 Labour leaders. Its the union that guides them by the nose.

  • rockape

    Remember the whole object of getting rid of their last two leaders was to get a popular man in. It was only the Unions that got Cunliffe in,. He still has no traction with voters.

    • Agent BallSack

      They need a popular man like Helen Clark. He was good for them!

  • Dick Brown

    Poor old Geoffrey Palmer; I liked him. So smart and nice and reasonable.

    No wonder they gave him the arse.

    • johnbronkhorst

      He was the shearer of his day!

      • He has done New Zealand a fair bit of damage since, though ….. remember!

        • Dick Brown

          I was about to post that Palmer has done his BEST work since leaving parliament.

          Heh :)

    • rrroberto

      He was also awarded the title Minister of Gobbledegook. That was well deserved, and we are still paying for his gobbledegook

    • AnonWgtn

      He was and still is an arsehole.
      Look at who put forward the Tty O Waitangi, which has caused more dissention than any other legislation, ever, and will continue to blight New Zealand for generations.

      • Dick Brown

        Well then we have a different viewpoint as to the historical significance of the treaty and the obligations and redress that are needed because of it.

        But that’s ok.

        EDIT: We’re talking about Palmer still right?

  • timemagazine

    This is great news for us! Let’s enjoy the rest of the day with this good news in mind.

  • Rimutaka

    Not a great comparative exercise as most of those results are pre MMP, for the ones after MMP was introduced in 1996, what ever happened to Shipley, English and Brash? Did they win?

  • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

    I wonder why Key has only 95.6% support of his own party instead of 100%?? Spoke to my uncle Matt Vomit McCarten this morning. He thinks there is growing dissent in the National party and more more National voters are moving away from John Key it seems. Uncle has promised me that he will do more digging on this.

    • Bunswalla

      Excellent work SCS, you have done your job as usual. Get them to focus on the few National voters that don’t want Key – that will stop them questioning the two-thirds of Labour voters that don’t want Curryleaf. Tu meke bro.

      • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

        Oh no…..why didn’t I think of this :-)

        • mike

          SCS seriously why doesn’t Labour hire you to be their campaign/party manager… you’d have their ratings up in the 200% mark, mind you that would be internal polling of Cunny’s head but never mind that, don’t let facts get in the way!

  • James Growley

    Cunliffe should learn that “Fine words butter no parsnips”

  • Floyd

    David Cunliffe warned John Key to “book a very long holiday in Hawaii” as he declared his candidacy for the Labour leadership.
    Yea right.

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