Key says: Throw your book at them…hard

Ok he didn’t really say that, but I bet that is what he was thinking when asking Vladimir Putin about the two ratbag Kiwi Greenpeace pirates.

Prime Minister John Key raised the issue of the New Zealand Arctic protestors with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Apec in Bali, Indonesia, but it was not by way of protesting their treatment.

Mr Key said he asked him if he was aware that two New Zealanders had been arrested by Russia in their response to a Greenpeace protest on an oil platform in the Arctic Sea.

“What was quite clear was that he was absolutely aware of it, he was aware that there were New Zealanders, he was aware that the [Foreign Minister] had raised it, and he gave me an assurance it would flow through the appropriate Russian judicial system.”

Yes I am sure it will flow through the Russian judicial system right through to the Russian corrections system too.

Mr Key said he did not know what the protestors would be ultimately charged with “but all I can say is he gave me an assurance it would be a proper process.”

Charges of piracy have been laid against the 30 Greenpeace activists including two New Zealanders, Jonathan Beuachamp and David Haussman, and could face 15 years jail terms if convicted.

Yep a proper Russian process…oh dear how sad never mind.

 


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  • Sponge

    Fuck em. They tried to board an oil platform that they had no right whatsoever to access. They knew this when they did it. As they say “do the crime – do the time”.

    Why does anyone believe they deserve either help or sympathy?

  • Andy
    • James Stephenson

      Poor kids to be stuck with such a numpty as a Dad…

      • Polish Pride

        Really!?! I’d be pretty proud to have a father who fought for what he believed in.

        • tarkwin

          Daddy was a bank robber?

          • Polish Pride

            You’d need to put your example in the context of what he believed in.
            Why do you think these guys do what they do right or wrong….
            Shits and Giggles!?!

          • Sponge

            Well if I really, really, really believe that I am entitled to enter your house for some reason that would be ok with you then? [Not that I do of course].

            Does a strong enough belief in something mean, in your view, that laws should simply be ignored. If so, who the is to be the arbitrator of if a belief is strong enough.

          • Polish Pride

            You can try but you’d have a pit bull two staffys and a mastiff that might disagree with you. ;)

          • Sponge

            Your protect your property and the Russians protect theirs – no problem with that as far as I can see….

          • thats four shots…easy sorted, next problem?

          • 1951

            Sorry, that down vote was unintended. I am using his ‘notebook’ & it is unpredictably touchy for a beginner.

          • Polish Pride

            You’d need a fifth for the owner at that point too.

          • tarkwin

            If they new the difference between right and wrong they wouldn’t have joined Greenpeace. These people are sanctimonious twats that think they no better than we do. Do the crime do the time.

          • Polish Pride

            Have you pondered On what basis the Russians or any other country can lay claim to the Artic or the Antartic for that matter. Why should they have any rights over and above you or I.

        • Actually Polish Pride, Jonathan Beauchamp’s partner seems pretty upset about Greenpeace’s role in this matter. She told One News “I think that’s the most irresponsible of all” in response to the revelation that Greenpeace was planning a second invasion of the rig, even AFTER the activists had been fired on, and AFTER they had guns held to their heads.

          And do you know what? I reckon she makes a pretty good point…

          http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/10/that-didnt-take-long.html

          • Polish Pride

            and that is the point. Target the anger/disdain where it is most deserved.

          • philbest

            Ah, I see your point. Like blaming the radical Imams and their ideology for young idiots becoming suicide bombers; blame the Green movement for creating terrorists too. Good point.

          • Polish Pride

            You should always target the root cause if you want to solve a problem

        • No matter how misguided and stupid?

        • BR

          Fighting for what one believes in can be overrated. The Nazis and the North Korean Communists fought for what they believed in too.

          Bill.

          • Polish Pride

            Definitely not siding with either but there are no winners in wars except for those who financed both sides.

    • Sponge

      Then they should have been more responsible than putting their families in the position they are now in.

      If you break into my house should you not go to jail because your missus has a baby on way? No fucking way!

    • Team ENZ

      yeah I really really feel sorry for him… Tui time.

    • Tom

      Haha these people are idiots. Pete Bethune had young kids too, but still went made sure he ended up in jail. Nutbar.

  • peterwiseman

    I hope Jonathan Beuachamp and David Haussman come back to NZ being experts in salt extraction. I hear Siberia is starting to cool down at this time of year:).

    • kehua

      It will not be salt they will be extracting………..haha.

    • James

      Surely making them mine for dirty coal would be more suitable?

  • Team ENZ

    siberian gulag would be appropiate. I bet JK was quitely saying .. “by the way, can you please make sure those two kiwis you caught don’t come back”…

  • Andy

    Part of me feels sympathy for the activists at a personal level, but I feel no sympathy towards Greenpeace as an organisation, that has lied and bullied and used junk science as propaganda, to further its political agenda that has more to do with anti-capitalism than “saving the planet”

    • Dave

      The responsibility LIES with Greenpiece to get them out, splash some of their cash on good lawyers to get them all out.

      They broke the law, Greenpiece as an organisation sanctioned the illegal activity, they are totally responsible.

      Hope they all rot in hell, and that this puts all other Greenpiece and other activists on NOTICE, that such activities can put them in the slammer for years.

      • Andy

        Agreed that GP should pay to get them out, and this will be interesting to see how they play this. The suits that run GP International will play this one for as long as they can and attract much publicity and funding.

        I regard the activists as useful idiots, well meaning I am sure, but it’s the organisation and the corporate types that run it that really give me the creeps

      • Kimbo

        Yep.

        Am tired of NZ citizenship and our national interests being manipulated by this bunch of unelected unrepresentative zealots, just like Sea Shepherd did with Japan and Peter Bethune a few years ago.

        No more time from John Key or Murray McCully for these eco-nazis

      • philbest

        Greenpeace should be prosecuted for fostering these illegal piratical and terrorist activities and their assets frozen, just like other groups responsible for that sort of behaviour.

      • Patrick

        Greenpeace will be secretly happy they are locked up in Russia- the movement needs martyrs – will no doubt spur on people to get the donations rolling in.

    • Agent BallSack

      I dont feel sympathy for the getaway driver in a armed robbery nor do i care about these environmental terrorists.

  • Blue Tim

    I’m constantly amazed at the greenies lack of respect for private property rights.

    • Kendall

      What would they say if we found out where they lived and went round, claimed on their roof and protested that their criminal associate/fathers/ husbands be prosecuted to the full extent of Russian law, then on their return prosecuted for bringing the name of NZ into disrepute and hence damaging our trade. Property rights would be pretty important then I recon..

      I am in no way endorsing this action.

      • Polish Pride

        Why don’t you give it a shot, I’d be quite interested in the reaction from all sides.

    • Polish Pride

      Probably because they have some crazy idea that the planet should belong to and be protected by all of us.

      • Sponge

        They can have any crazy ideas they like – I am fine with that.

        My problem is that they go around forcing their views upon everyone irrespective of if their views are wanted and irrespective of laws.

      • philbest

        Yeah, and that worked out really well for “the environment” when it “belonged to everyone” in Commie countries, didn’t it?

        These people are Commies anyway, they don’t really care about the environment, they just want it completely wrecked in the name of “the State” and “the people” in preference to being stewarded by private property owners.

      • And you feel the same way towards those people that don’t think you should be allowed to keep pit bulls, staffies and mastiffs? You will allow them to override your property rights?

  • Kimbo

    Loved the way the TV news last night said there were “two urgent matters Key needed to discuss with Putin – the two NZ Greenpeace protesters, and a Free Trade Agreement”.

    Well, one was, and the other hopefully took all of 30 seconds for both Key and Putin to dispose of satisfactorily for both New Zealand’s and Russia’s interests.

    BTW – anyone else tired of the MSM just regurgitating this Greenpeace manufactured and groomed story? Do the lazy bastards do any reporting of their own?!

    • AnonWgtn

      Greenpeace knew what they were doing – they need money, money and mug sympathy in order to carry on their nefarious activities.
      This is publicity stunt – they do not care about the people or the boat.

      • Kimbo

        Yep, just like the Jehovah’s Winesses organisation doesn’t allow blood transfusions, mainly for pshychological membership attachment/persecution mentality purpose, and their stupid members do what they are told.

        However, most of us live in a Universe where we take responsibility for our choices and allegiances. Give them your sympathy if you want, but the only place you really find that is in the dictionary between ‘shit’ and ‘syphilis’. That should be the extent of our national effort.

    • Patrick

      30 seconds – doesn’t take that long to “high five” – “hey Putin gimmie some skin, love your work dude”

  • AnonWgtn

    If convicted will this preclude them from travelling into say USA or Australia, having criminal convictions – assuming they will be found guilty of piracy ?

    • Kimbo

      Yes, and they will be forced to wear silly pirate costumes that are crimes against fashion, parade around with a parrot shitting on their shoulder, and be forced to say, “Aaaarrrggghh!” all the time.

      That is almost as big a deterrent as the salt mines

      • onelaw4all

        Some green MPs do that kind of thing voluntarily, wearing silly costumes , that is.

  • Agent BallSack

    It’s not looking good for them….A few statistics: 1 in four Russian men has been in prison, the average time spent on remand is 2-3 years (during which remand prisoners share cells with hardened recidivists), the cell space per prisoner in one prison is less than 1 square metre…

    • Agent BallSack

      Considering this is what the girls from Pussy Riot can expect, I think they are in for a tough time.

    • Kimbo

      Hmm.

      Still, at least they get to play “hide the turnip in winter” with new friends named Boris, Sergei, and Mikhail.

      • Rodger T

        Don`t forget Andrei.

        • Cadwallader

          or Huge Ivan! (A special guest for the monthly showering sessions.)

        • Kimbo

          Is he the one with the big radish they use for making borscht?

    • Patrick

      1 in 4 – jesus no wonder as a nation they are as mad as cut snakes.

  • Harroputza

    Click to write to the Russian embassy… and congratulate them for standing up to Greenpeace’s bullying tactics.

  • longjohn

    Set them adrift. Thats where they seem to enjoy themselves. Waste no political favours on this lot!

  • Col

    That’s 2 Green votes lost, for next year.
    Join Green Peace tour the Russian Prisons, no Visa needed drop off point to be confirmed.

    • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

      You still have 13% support for the smelling hippies…

  • Col

    Now what would have happened if one of them got killed falling from the platform, play point the FINGER?

  • Mr Sackunkrak

    Yep, and I’m pretty sure you can’t do a “Lundy” in the Russian system either.

  • SDCLFC1 .

    Why does a libertarian blog want to side with an authoritarian regime?

    • SteveWrathall

      Because in this case that authoritarian regime is right. Broken clock and all that

      • Sponge

        Well said.

      • SDCLFC1 .

        So they’re not entitled to their political freedom’s?
        I’ll rephrase.
        Is the vitriol on this blog consistent with views of liberty, political freedom and anti-totalitariannism or is just the chance to do a bit of hating on some hippies.

        • Sponge

          I am happy from them to have their political freedom and would argue for it.

          It is breaking the law and expecting there not to be any repercussions (and in fact demanding government support) that I am opposed to.

        • Mr Sackunkrak

          Political freedom’s [sic]? An offence is an offence regardless of the offender’s politics.

        • phronesis

          The Right has always been a proponent of property rights and the left has always tried to undermine them.

          • SDCLFC1 .

            I’m not arguing that they didn’t violate laws of property, individual freedom etc and but again, this a libetarian blog jumping on an authoritarian band wagon shouting smash the hippies. We should have a concern that they meet fair justice, not hope with fingers crossed that they’re shipped off to the gulags.

          • If the hippies don;t break any laws no problem, but they did…they wrongly assumed that Russians are as weak and tolerate as the West…they are not…here’s the thing…if they believe so strongly then why don’t they go protest in Abu Dhabi, or Qatar or Saudi Arabia…see where that gets them.

          • Team ENZ

            he he .. lifetime jail, flogging and beheaded…

        • They are…just not in Russia…our laws don’t apply over there…same as the munters who root on the beach in Dubai and then find themselves in a cell.

          • SDCLFC1 .

            Fine but you seem terribly excited about them facing the full force of the law at the hands of an authoritarian regime. If I could paraphrase it seems to go like this. Now the Russians have them, these hippies will be taught a lesson.
            I think your opinion on this reflects more on who they are rather than liberty, political freedom or fair judicial process.

          • Dave

            Consider this Yunno facts. These idiots left the safe haven of NZ and carried out the plans of disruption for green peace in a foreign country. They broke that countries law and I hope they and their organization gave the full consequences. They are simply idiotic pawns, little different from a suicide bomber!

          • SDCLFC1 .

            So if someone went and broke a law, knowingly, in order to express a political opinion, in a country where the punishment for that was death, then you would be OK with that? That’s what your argument says.
            Again, we know what Russia is and this libetarian blog is expressing outright glee at the thought of people with contradictory political ideas being handed out a dose of rough justice behind the close doors of the Russo’s judiciary.

          • Team ENZ

            yep. if the law in asia says death to drug traficking , and some gnomes gets caught traficking drugs and gets the death sentence.. well, that’s justice…same applies to the activists. you know their law, break them and you face their consequences.
            no use crying foul and complain. tough shit.

          • Dave

            Basically – YES they went to a country knowing it has harsh laws, they have to accept that countries laws on NOT GO, better still, DONT BREAK THEIR LAWS.

            Simple enough for you??

        • philbest

          Balance needs to be found between political freedom and the retention of that political freedom, because the enemies of political freedom will abuse it in their long march to remove it for everyone else.

          “Conservatives” have in fact always been far too nice; the Fabians should have all been locked up as traitors, and the Gramscians, the Frankfurt Schoolers, Marcuse, Derrida, Foucault, et al. Instead they got tenures at Universities and a shunt directly into western civilisation’s bloodstream for their poison.

  • Rodger T

    Guys,guys,guys ……You all know as well as I do,that if you call yourself *gasp* an “Activist” the law ,anyones law does not apply to YOU!
    You are the epitome of the Caped Crusader ,Superman and the Incredible Hulk all rolled into one.
    Why oh why ,are you peasants not impressed?

  • Michael

    Will Greenpeace release the briefing notes given to the activists? Bet ya no mention of likely imprisonment for up to 15 years is included.

  • KiwiRobert

    I had a father who was prepared to stand up for what he believed in and it was called World War 2. He got wounded in a battle called Sidi Razegh, got taken prisoner of war and then escaped. He came home to heal up and went back as a tank commander in Italy. He was in the 20th Battalion and was 1st echelon; I think World War 2 was a little bit more compelling than protesting about oil rigs.

  • Andy

    Greenpeace are currently spamming Facebook that Shell and GazProm “want to destroy The Arctic”.

    The comments on these threads are full of the most stupid kind of activism you could imagine.

    Having dealt with some of the Health and Safety obsessed UK oil industry, the last thing that Shell want to do is “destroy the Arctic”

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