Non parallel lines in vain, just a Bain stain

KaramforeheadAs anyone with common sense already knew, and thoroughly covered by our own analysis at the time, the “parallel  lines” on David Bain’s finger aren’t from loading a magazine.

Fingerprint and firearms experts have rejected claims Robin Bain had gunpowder marks on his fingers, police say.

Claims were made on TV3`s 3rd Degree programme in June that the marks shown in photographs were made by loading the rifle’s magazine.

But police said scientific analysis by fingerprint and firearms experts did not support that conclusion.

TV3 don’t care of course.  It was, and continues to be, a ratings winner.  But it does raise the question about media taking up the cause of one particular side of a court case, before, during or after the fact.

The scientist’s opinion was although there appeared to be a pair of lines on Mr Bain’s thumb that could have resulted from loading a magazine cartridge, there was considerable doubt that the shape, dimensions and colour of the marks on Mr Bain’s thumb were consistent with marks made as a result of loading a cartridge into a magazine, police said.  

“These tests have been carried out using accredited experts in controlled conditions with access to the original exhibits and in the presence of Mr Bain’s advocates,” assistant commissioner Malcolm Burgess said.

“The most likely explanation for the marks on the photographs would seem to be pre-existing damage or injury to the skin on Robin Bain’s thumb.

“I am satisfied that this scientific analysis shows the marks highlighted by the 3rd Degree programme are anything but the `game changer evidence’ the programme claimed,” Mr Burgess said.

It’s time to pack it in Karam.  You had your shot.  You managed to even fool TV3 into wasting their time, and as a result, lots of police and expert time and dollars have been wasted to prove what we already knew.

The scientist’s opinion was although there appeared to be a pair of lines on Mr Bain’s thumb that could have resulted from loading a magazine cartridge, there was considerable doubt that the shape, dimensions and colour of the marks on Mr Bain’s thumb were consistent with marks made as a result of loading a cartridge into a magazine, police said.

“These tests have been carried out using accredited experts in controlled conditions with access to the original exhibits and in the presence of Mr Bain’s advocates,” assistant commissioner Malcolm Burgess said.

“The most likely explanation for the marks on the photographs would seem to be pre-existing damage or injury to the skin on Robin Bain’s thumb.

“I am satisfied that this scientific analysis shows the marks highlighted by the 3rd Degree programme are anything but the `game changer evidence’ the programme claimed,” Mr Burgess said.

The only things that changed here were TV3’s ratings an bucket loads of money going from the Tax Payer into the accounts of people that didn’t need the money as much as others do.

 

Source: APNZ

 


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  • Michael

    Can Judith Collins just say “no compensation for Bain” and then we will never hear from Karam again.

    • DavidKNZ

      Karam was an All Black.
      All Blacks never never loose
      Even ex-All Blacks :-)

      • opusx

        Actually it’s quite sad really. There is little doubt David himself is now simply getting on with his life. I believe it’s now Joe and his ego that continues to try and fuel the fire. In reality it’s time for Joe to hang up his boots.

        • DavidKNZ

          Agreed. I guess DB has (more or less) done his time. The concern I have is that underneath that mild exterior there lurks the capacity for a rerun of extreme violence. However, most folks know his history now, and will make their own choices

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            Has he any family members left to kill? If not, at least the rest of us can feel semi-OK…

          • Bunswalla

            Just the ones that refused to give back the inheritance from his family’s estate. Nope, nothing to worry about for them. Everything’s A-O-K.

          • Mr_V4

            It’s OK guys, he has enlisted Russel Norman to get his gun back, so that should be about as successful as Russel getting his flag back.

        • stephen2d

          Joe needs compo, as he and David have an agreement that David will pay him back what Joe has “invested” (probably a wrong word) in the defence case. This is not about ego, it is trying to recoup the money by any means. All the evidence points that he is guilty – so knock it off.

      • paddles83

        David are you sure ……….. I would suggest the Lebanese/ Irish lad stick to vending machines

    • Bunswalla

      “never hear from Karam again” – hmm, interesting theory. Let me know how it works out. I predict this one’s going to run and run – gullible Joe has already stated “of course” we will challenge the results, and made a snide comment about the Police not being mature enough to admit their mistakes. Pot, meet kettle.

  • OhopeBeachBugger

    Now we’ve got Lundy looking to get loose. Fucking sickening.

    • opusx

      The science that found Lundy guilty is now known to be flawed. I can almost assure readers a retrial will see the ‘brain tissue’ evidence nullified. Leaving the rest of the case a shambles as the pathology has also been shown to be flawed. Get ready for a not guilty verdict and another stab at compensation.

      • DavidKNZ

        Sign…
        Our jails are full of innocent folks that have been wrongly imprisoned..
        or maybe its that our courts are full of lawyers looking for work :-)

      • Perhaps the last Bain jury could be re-assembled for Lundy’s upcoming trial. That should guarantee he walks!

        • Mr_V4

          And an after-party.

    • unitedtribes

      Not if he’s innocent. There dose seem to be a few questions to answer. The family suffer but I guess they would suffer more if they new the actual murderer still roamed free.

      • opusx

        He sure ain’t innocent. But without sufficient evidence, sometimes ya just get away with it. Simple as that. And the police case in this instance was a little lacking you could say.

        • OhopeBeachBugger

          That’s what I find revolting, OpusX. Someone killed those two – and that someone had to have a reason. A burglar? Hmpf.

          • opusx

            The older I get, the firmer I believe the Courts are not the only form of justice.

          • DavidKNZ

            You’re surely not implying that the term “well hung” should apply to more than Hone Harawira are you???

          • opusx

            Mate…disappearing people has been an art form in NZ for years. ;-)

        • unitedtribes

          I like it when the police build a strong case but I can’t get my head around it when they dont pass on the info that dosnt suit their case.

  • DavidKNZ

    The ever rational Martin Van Beynen nails it at:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9254197/Bain-bandwagon-set-off-too-hastily

    The whole thing would be a joke in bad taste if it were not for the often ovelooked
    fact thet five innocent people met with violent deaths

    • Teko Flaps

      Martin always paints it so simply and reasonably. Karam will say “Martin’s evidence is flawed , biased and irrational”.

  • XM16E1

    “from loading a magazine cartridge,”. WTF is a magazine cartridge? Typo or someone who dosn’t know what they are talking about?

    • They have no clue what they’re talking about. And still trying to convince people who know better.

  • Col

    If there is DOUBT you can not convict.
    The last statement by police have not said yes and not said no in the Bain case.
    Watch this space it has not gone away.
    When you think about it, all these top profile cases get screwed up by the police, they just don.t get it right.

    • Bunswalla

      Col it’s very hard in New Zealand’s adversarial justice system to get it right all the time. In most cases the team with the best lawyers wins, plus you can have a capricious or erratic judge, or get a jury largely comprised of idiots, as happened in the Bain retrial.

      The police seldom have the best lawyers and the judges can hugely influence the outcome by allowing or refusing certain evidence, lines of questioning etc. This is 100% why Peter Ellis served time for crimes that not only did he not commit, they never even happened.

      France and other countries use an inquisitorial justice system, where even complex and serious cases are heard by a magistrate alone. It’s his or her job to establish the truth of what happened, not simply rule on who puts up the best argument or finds loop-holes or technicalities. It seems to work a lot better.

      • Col

        Good idea, so you draw a straw and get one of our dud judges. Just kidding.

  • CheesyEarWax

    Like I said before, the more evidence the Bain side put forward the more guilty he looks.

  • Dave

    Bain stain….. love your work WO!!

  • snakebit

    People should have asked ‘how many mags has that reporter loaded in her life?’ Anyone with years of experience could have told her it was bullshit.

  • LesleyNZ

    TV3 are bit stuck now – with Joe Karam. They are not going to admit defeat – just yet. Wonder what the next trick will be?

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