Police called as Q-Topia board close their public access

As we’ve seen, Paul “Wiener” Findlay stood down from the Q-Topia Board as a result of his little online tryst.  Board Chairman Neil Hellewell took the chance to defend Paul Findlay’s actions, suggesting that it was a stitchup and Findlay would deserve apologies once the ‘real story’ was known.

To jump ahead in the narrative, we now have a Q-Topia board where one has resigned due to alleged sexual grooming of a minor, one has a police complaint for a number of breaches of the law, including illegal drug use and supply, another has publicly admitted to using illegal drugs, and a Board Chairman that, given the chance, is digging in to protect his friends instead of taking a leadership role expected of someone in charge of other people’s children.

Q-Topia, through its sub-group Forge, is a charity that offers itself as a source of help for children that are confused and vulnerable due to gender identity issues.  If the anti-gay world ever needed free ammo for an organisation that “makes confused kids gay”, they couldn’t go far wrong with Q-Topia right now.

Neil Hellewell

Neil Hellewell

It appears to me that Neil Hellewell’s judgement isn’t up to the task.  He’s is doing damage to a number of causes with his current stance, and fast running out of time to choose the right side of the argument.  Neil is a lay pastor at a church, works in the health sector with direct patient contact, and is expected to have a sound moral and ethical basis for decision making.

Whaleoil has been in contact with Neil to suggest it was time to sort this mess out, but so far Neil has only asked questions and not provided any answers to ours.

So, while we wait for events to progress against the board member currently subject to the police complaint, I thought it appropriate to share with you what happened when two members of the public, who have been trying to bring this issue up with Hellewell behind the scenes – quietly – for many months, tried to attend a public Q-Topia board meeting to explain their concerns.

Hi Cameron.

Here’s what happened at the QTopia Board meeting that [we]  tried to attend tonight.  

We both attended the QTopia Board meeting at 6.30pm [Thursday night] in Christchurch.

Two days ago this was a public meeting and anyone was welcome to come along. [X] was advised two days ago by the Secretary that the meeting started at 6.30pm and where it was.  We arrived at 6.30pm and tried to take a seat.  We were resisted and told it was a closed meeting and always had been (this is untrue).

We asked courteously if we could raise an important issue as an item of General Business.

We were declined.  The Chairman Neil Hellewell became agitated and asked us to leave.

They rang the Police.

The Board members looked shocked and flustered but the Chairman – who was appraised of the serious matters concerning the second Board member several weeks ago – absolutely refused to allow us to speak and insisted we leave, under numerous threats.

[Y] was demeaned and his employment demeaned.

As we left, [Y] explained if they were unprepared to listen to what we had to raise, and had taken no action since Chairman Neil Hellewell was informed by [X] in person in July, we would file a complaint with the Police. 

 

WE WILL BOTH FILE A POLICE COMPLAINT TOMORROW, IN PERSON against the second QTopia Board member who also works for a major national mental health provider with at risk youth.

We left when requested and [Y] shook hands with the Chairman as we exited the building. We were calm and courteous at all times.  As we drove away we saw the Board members spilling out on to Cashel Street,  so we went back to see if we could talk to some of the Board members, who were obviously concerned and wanted to know  what we wanted.  We advised them about our concerns of illegal activity by a second Board member, further to the Paul Findlay scandal last week.  We suggested they were exposing QTopia and themselves as Board members, to even more risk.

They were still on the phone to the Police while in the street, and we suggested we would like to talk to the Police if they wanted, many of whom we know personally because we work with them daily in other capacities. The Board members eventually went back inside and locked us out.

Our view is:

1) This is a public organisation receiving public money.

2) Until tonight, their meetings have been open to the public.

3) We have serious legal issues to raise with the Board about one of their fellow Board members who is involved in criminal acts and working with at risk children for a major Christchurch mental health provider. He is now the subject of a Police complaint.

4) We feel the other Board members have a right to know that, as they are exposed legally.

5) We were denied any opportunity to even discuss what our issues of concern were.

This is completely unacceptable and suggests a desire to cover things up, while receiving public money.  We are disquieted by:

a) the Chairman’s attitude of backing and defending Paul Findlay from whistleblowers.

b) his complete inaction since July when he knew of the serious behaviour of his second Board member.

c) What does this say about QTopia as an organisation receiving public money?

To summarise, Q-Topia is an Incorporated Society and a Registered Charity that receives private donations and public funding with an aim to provide a safe and educational environment for GLBTi children, youth and young adults aged 12+.  Last week one of its board members resigned due to New Zealand’s first “sexting” scandal, one has a police complaint against him due to alleged drugs supply/taking and dishonesty offences, one publicly admitted in front of witnesses that there is nothing wrong with drug offenses, he does them too, all overseen by a Pastor that works in the Mental Health arena that has been trying to bury these complaints for months.

As you might expect, this won’t be the end of it.

Tick Tock Neil.

 


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  • Pissedoffyouth

    Hahahaha don’t cross the Whale

  • williamabong

    Bring on the sunlight, this organization looks like a holding tank for men with a taste in young meat, I tthink we should look forward to the police enquiry and perhaps a grooming charge.

  • LesleyNZ

    You this guy is on the Q’Topia Board? “Neil is a lay pastor at a church, works in the health sector with direct patient contact, and is expected to have a sound moral and ethical basis for decision making.”
    If so – which church?

    • Not Mark Richardson

      The church of the invisible pink unicorn worshiping kiddie fiddlers!

      Duh…

      • James Growley

        Religion is the last refuge for mongrels……

        • Not Mark Richardson

          GrahamCapill still my fave

          • LesleyNZ

            Not mine. Deceitful and deviant. he will have to answer for his actions.

          • Not Mark Richardson

            Surely he’s served his time

        • Changeiscoming

          Homosexuals infiltrate every organisation. Churches, clubs, schools etc

          • Not Mark Richardson

            And Internet forums

          • Harvey Wilson

            You sure you’re on the right page pal ? Capill was doing little girls, that doesn’t make him a homo.

          • Bunswalla

            Kiddy-fiddling of either gender doesn’t make you a homo, but is does make you a pedo.

    • Here’s your answer Lesley:

      Metropolitan Community Church worship leader Neil Hellewell said the key issue was that the majority of mainstream denominations had not changed their services for many years.

      “The needs of the wider, and younger, Christian community are different to those who currently attend worship services.

      “Younger people express faith differently, have a wider understanding and experience with different spiritual traditions.”

      He believed churches and faith communities needed to “reflect
      society more closely and accurately rather than being mired in the
      dogma of yesteryear”.

      “The slowness that the majority of denominations have in responding
      to major issues, such as inclusiveness of all people regardless of
      sexuality, can only be seen as frustrating to a generation who is used
      to instant information at their fingertips.

      “Change must be faster, or denominations will lose – and fail to
      attract and reach out to the new generations of Christians.

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/christchurch-life/8481655/Are-we-losing-our-religion-to-modern-life

      I will be in Christchurch at Labour Weekend, but it is pretty safe to assume that I will NOT be going to Metropolitan Community Church for my Sunday morning worship.

      • LesleyNZ

        Thank you KS. Now I understand. It is not a Christian church at all – as in a Bible believing Christian church. Just shows you – the devil is alive and well and as deceiving as ever as the angel of light. God will be the judge!
        2 Corinthians 11:13-15
        13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

        • Not Mark Richardson

          Who’s judging?

          • LesleyNZ

            God will. However if you can spare the time read the link below. Are you trying to imply that I am being judgmental? This is judging in a Christian sense when it involves a Christian’s behaviour or a church whose doctrine is not Biblical and judgement to do with God’s laws and what God requires of Christians. This does not apply to the non unbelieving Christian. The so-called church that Neil Hellewell attends proclaims to be following Jesus. This so-called church does not follow the teachings of Jesus or what God’s word teaches in the Bible. This is a humanistic “church” using the works of Jesus to their advantage in deceiving would be followers. Does this church teach that man is born in sin and that God cannot look upon sin? I don’t think so. Neil Hellewell appears to not know what is right and what is wrong. If the so-called church that Neil attends did not use “Jesus and Christian” then there would be no “judgement” however they say they are Christian. So read about what judging in a Christian sense means. http://www.christianissues.biz/judging.html
            Here are the first two paragraphs:
            Many Christians misinterpret what the Bible says about judging and say that we should never judge. In Matthew 7:1-5, Jesus did say not to judge. However, a close look at these verses will show that He is referring to unloving and unjust judging. It is wrong to make judgments about a person’s motives or thoughts because we don’t know their mind. However, in John 7:24, Jesus said, “Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.” In this verse Jesus is talking about making righteous judgments in regard to God’s laws. We must make judgments in matters of biblical doctrine and righteous living. The Bible is our foundation and if we don’t discern and follow what God says then it will become just another book. Then everyone will be doing whatever they think is right, just like the Israelis did in the time of the Judges. Judges 21:25 says, “In those days Israel had no king; everyone did as he saw fit”.

            To keep God’s commands, we must first judge what is right and what is wrong. For example, 1 Cor. 5:11-13 say, “… you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. ‘Expel the wicked man from among you'”. In these verses, God tells us to judge church members and expel them if necessary. Then we are told in Rom. 12:9, “Hate what is evil; cling to what is good”. How can we do that if we don’t first judge what is good and what is evil? So, we must make judgments about what is right and what is wrong so that we can live according to God’s commands.

          • Not Mark Richardson

            Explaining is losing

            Keep up

          • Changeiscoming

            lol – what a stupid reply. Down vote

          • LesleyNZ

            What a stupid thing to say. I don’t have to explain. My reply is because you did not understand my comment. I am guessing you don’t understand what is in the link I posted or indeed you haven’t bothered to read it. Explaining, as you put it, in this context, is trying to educate and help you to understand.

          • Not Mark Richardson

            Guess again Lesley

          • LesleyNZ

            No point with you.

          • Bunswalla

            God does the judging, but people like Lesley like to get their hand in nice and early too – just in case.

            Lesley has never sinned in her life, ever, and her poo smells of strawberries.

          • LesleyNZ

            Buns that is not nice – you have not bothered to read about this so little point in debating with you. You just go to the lowest level because you can’t think of anything else or constructive to say. You are being childish.

          • Bunswalla

            Oh Lesley there are none so blind as those that will not see. You’re so full of sanctimonious, self-righteous claptrap you’ve become blind to yourself.

            You accuse me of being childish, but you’re not above chiding someone with “What a stupid thing to say”. Yes, I’m aware it’s a bit childish to say “You started it” but, well, you did start it.

            You also state that I haven’t read all the comments (wrong – I have) and that I can’t think of anything constructive to say (wrong again).

            And yet you have the audacity to quote some bloke in the bible, stating “It is wrong to make judgments about a person’s motives or thoughts because we don’t know their mind.”

            Guess what Lesley? You don;t know my mind, my motives or my thoughts, yet once again you are quick to judge.

          • LesleyNZ

            So having an opinion is judging? Buns – this guy Neil is a lay pastor at a church- reportedly a “Christian” church. Well it aint. That is the point – talk about being blind!

          • Bunswalla

            It must be a huge relief to you that, despite Hellewell apparently worshipping the same god as you, he does it in a different type of building, therefore he’s not ‘one of you’.

            I just hope you’re not a catholic – they have a pretty poor record of this kind of behaviour. What then?

          • LesleyNZ

            I am not sure which god he worships.We are all sinful Buns. I hope that he hears the gospel one day. No not a Catholic. Catholicism is not the same as Christianity. Catholics believe that Mary is the mediator between God and mankind – the Bible teaches that Jesus is the only way.

          • Orange

            Naughty Buns

      • blairmulholland

        Yes, I figured that was the sort of church he belonged to.

        As a rebuttal to what he said, I attend an Orthodox church, which has not changed its service in, oh, about 1500 years or so. It also happens to be the fastest growing tradition of faith in North America (second only to Islam, sad to say). So it’s not necessarily something “contemporary” that people are looking for, but actual substance.

        • Bunswalla

          Wow you sure have had an irony by-pass Blair – you go to church because you’re looking for something of actual substance?

          There’s zero substance in fairy stories Blair, keep drinking the Kool-Aid buddy..

          • blairmulholland

            Not sure why it is your business, or what you hope to achieve by being abusive of me and my beliefs. But if you want to keep underlining your own beliefs in every post you make, good for you. I hope it makes you feel special.

  • blairmulholland

    Does anybody else think the whole idea of this outfit is by nature foxes in charge of henhouses?

    There is no such thing as a gay child, for starters. Children are asexual, and if they are sexual, gay or straight, there is something funny, and probably illegal, going on.

    There may be some parallel universe where you could set up an organisation like this and not attract dodgy people, but I would say the odds were slim.

    • Not Mark Richardson

      Sounds like religion to me

      • blairmulholland

        Sounds like your mum.

        • Not Mark Richardson

          She is slim

          And foxy

  • redacted

    Just a little heads up, as someone who used to attend this “subgroup”
    forge you keep referring to, forge is a separate group for people
    dealing with gid/gd, or should i say was a separate group before the
    board refused to listen to our objections to the insane idea that a
    sexually deviant transphobic predator by the name of tristan, who has
    endangered young women by outing their medical condition to other
    people, an excellent example being someones employer, resulting in
    sexual harrassment and ultimately constructive dismissal, as well as
    “grooming” other members of q-topia (the LGB group he was part of),
    could be allowed back into qtopia on a “good behaviour bond” style
    contract, at which point the vast majority of us left and started up our
    own support group out of disgust.

    Im
    not sure what neil hellewell’s involvement in the events leading up to
    forge breaking up was, but now i (thanks to this site) know this guy is a
    cultist who
    will make excuses and “give him a chance to prove himself”‘s for scum
    like paul i have to wonder.

    Im
    just glad that the facilitators who actually run the place by and
    large keep the board out of day to day stuff for the most part.

    Anyway, misunderstandings of what forge and q-topia are aside, keep up the good
    work whale, the sooner the board is replaced with people that wont make
    excuses for pauls actions or allow the above transphobe degenerate’s
    possible return to even be considered, the better.

  • Patrick

    Sounds like a very “Bert Potter-ish” kind of church to me, surely if this organisation wanted to get to the “bottom” of these accusations they would throw the books open & welcome an independent audit of the behaviour of the members. Sexting underage vulnerable kids, accusations of grooming, alleged drug supply, sounds like a very smelly swamp to me.

    First step is to cease the taxpayer funding until such stage that the organisation is investigated & cleared.

    Next step is for a full criminal investigation.

  • Jamie Harvson

    well we saw the rest of the dirty laundry hung out to dry today thx to WhaleOil…. why they act with Silo mentality and hide when serious information is presented to them in private… is astonishing

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