Saturday General Debate (Labour Weekend: DAY ONE)

Yeah sure.  You’re reading this sitting at the batch, or crib or hut, depending where you are in the country.  Or the motel, or the roadside cafe, and we’re still here putting Whaleoil together.  Hope you appreciate it.

Mind you, I’m not doing all of  it, you can start by helping fill up today’s General Debate with your own ideas.

If you need inspiration, today’s topic is

After two terms, what will John Key’s National Government legacy be?

 


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  • conwaycaptain

    Steered the country through a major global financial crisis and the ChCh quake and came out with a balanced budget and a strong economy.

    • Whafe

      Totally agree.

    • Kimbo

      Yep.

      Due to personal circumstances that coloured my judgement, I voted Labour in 2008 (hadn’t done so in years despite at one time being a party member and tribal supporter – we all have skeletons in our closet!).

      I thought Key was an on-the-make charlatan, who would go hard right like Don Brash only dreamed, but wasn’t honest about his intentions in the same way as Brash was.

      By 2010 is was pretty clear once I had laid aside my prejudice, Key was a very good PM, an honest man who understood the political importance of gaining buy-in and trust by honesty and consistency, and this is a very good government.

      You don’t get to choose the cards you are dealt, and the GFC and Chch earthquake were real stinkers for Key, his government, and even more the people of NZ and Christchurch in particular. Nevertheless, I shudder to think where Labour and the Greens would have lead us!

      I never thought I would ever say it, but I am now a natural National Party voter. Only regret is that it took me so long to wise up.

  • conwaycaptain

    I see the Herald has a Hewitson interview with the Chief Spin Weasel at the Brown Bunker.
    They are also reporting that Luigi the Jappie Wop has decamped to the US of A

    • Cowgirl

      The Herald’s still reporting last weeks news then I see – well, it pays to be consistent I guess

    • captainnotsosensible

      That and Paul Thomas’s article ” one monkey business won’t stop the show” …at least one article to sign in and comment on though. I wonder how many ” Brown should resign today” messages will be allowed before that option is closed down..

      • Garbageman

        have added my comment, a simple go now Len Brown interesting to see if that gets through

        • captainnotsosensible

          yes I submitted one myself along those lines but I haven’t seen it appear yet. Just got the standard “thank you for your comment, they are moderated (hah) and we experience a high volume so you might not see yours”. Well I doubt at 630am there was high volume so if it doesn’t appear I think I know why…

      • DTG

        Again there is absolutely no sign that the Herald is sitting on a story that is going to bring Brown down…if there is such a story nobody told Thomas

  • captainnotsosensible

    That there is still not a credible opposition.

    Oh no, hang on, that’s not fair.

    It’s not because of John and the Nats, rather its because they continually shoot themselves in the foot, head and mouth.

    Legacy after 2 terms… That the majority feel this country is well positioned and structured for the future, despite the global turmoil of the least few years. And that closer to home, the repair work that’s been necessary to wean people and orgs off the public nipple is starting to instill some self sufficiency, belief and capability across the spectrum.

    Phew that was hard work, pre-coffee :-)

  • Any of you been whitebaiting over the last few weeks? What’s the season shaping up like?

    • Mate of mine has, says its been shit so far. Not sure that’s in general or just the spots he goes to.

    • Col

      If you ask Lenny the Dorklander he will tell you the season has been poor since last month, and is down too a hand or two.

    • kehua

      Had a boomer up North earlier this week, mate of mine was bragging about filling the old kero tin. Said it took 2 days to scale and gut them.

    • PhantomsDoc

      Been crap. Over 3 days I got enough for a pattie. High rough seas out west (I was in Westport) meant nothing was coming in.

    • GORDON GIBSON

      Good Morning like-minded citizens

      Have not been myself but heard fishing in Kaituna river(out from Te Puke) has been very spotty. The odd decent haul and only very occasionally at that.
      A few years back my Dad was there one day and had such a good haul he failed to notice that BOTH lenses had fallen out of his sunglasses.
      To digress: Has anybody here any comments regarding RT? I just found it.
      Am amazed at the difference in their news, compared to what comes tumbling out of Simon Dallows’ bloody pie chute.
      Not that I watch that!
      (‘Not that there’s anything wrong with that’ – Sienfeld – lol)

    • cows4me

      No many big catches here Petal, just enough for a few fritters. Might take a few beers and head down to the river later today and watch the circus.

    • blokeintakapuna

      Supposedly long lining for them using cheese as bait is quite effective

  • I see the churnalists at the Horrid pumping out another story about Wewege and the fact he’s left the country.

    And?

    #barkingupthewrongtree

    • Turns out they have an investment in a Herald on Sunday “Exclusive” with Wewege. So before anything else can come out, they want to push that out first.

      • Time to break out the caffeine tablets.

      • Dr Wang

        Petal: Like most, the Herald has to “push one out” in the morning before they get on with business for the day?

    • Whafe

      There spin, spin, spin is far from working, the Herald are very slow Learners

    • GazzW

      The headline said ‘seen fleeing the country’. I thought that was a tad emotive – for all that the Herald knows he could be holidaying in the US. Just more speculative nonsense from a ‘trained and skilled’ reporter who should know better.

      • yeah, our headlines are never over the top ;)

      • williamabong

        Fleeing the country sounds so much more emotive than “going on holiday “

      • Cowgirl

        Who could blame him if he did – those bastards hounded the poor guy out of the country really. His part in this sorry saga was done and dusted over a week ago, but the Herald won’t let it go.
        I guess Luigi can take heart from the fact that the Herald considers him to be some sort of supervillain.
        The reality is much more mediocre – he’s just an ambitious guy who got mixed up in something much bigger than him.
        If his part in this actually results in bringing Len down, I think we owe him a beer!

      • Cowgirl

        Who could blame him if he did – those bastards hounded the poor guy out of the country really. His part in this sorry saga was done and dusted over a week ago, but the Herald won’t let it go.
        I guess Luigi can take heart from the fact that the Herald considers him to be some sort of supervillain.
        The reality is much more mediocre – he’s just an ambitious guy who got mixed up in something much bigger than him.
        If his part in this actually results in bringing Len down, I think we owe him a beer!

    • blokeintakapuna

      #zerootheroptionuntilWhalebreaksanotherexclusive

  • Cadwallader

    Decent fiscal management!

  • williamabong

    Hopefully they won’t be remembered for having squandered the opportunity to undo so many of the hurdles to progress left behind after nine years of living under the Uber bitch Clark
    Come on JK still a way to go.

    • Yeah. I have a sense of opportunity that slipped through our fingers.

      • Muffin

        I agree could have made some major shifts in the fundamental structure of NZ Inc. though a second term may have been missed out on, and definitely a third

      • Alfred12

        Agree Petal, Key had a huge mandate in 08 and could have implemented appropriate right of centre policies one after another..maybe he felt constrained by MMP.

        • Patrick

          He could have fixed the MMP abortion too – he had the numbers & there was plenty of motivation from the voters. But he bottled out, too scared to rock the boat.

  • Chiefsfan73

    The great work done in welfare and justice reform done by Bennett, Collins et al.
    Also the stewardship of a man who having been thumped by the electorate could so have easily thrown in the towel. I think Bill English has shown true character.
    I hope both the TPP and charter schools will be an enduring legacy of a government determined to allow individuals choice and freedom to achieve the best they can, and the country the best opportunity to take advantage of the Asian century.
    More could have been done in Employment Relations reform, but overall a great progressive govt with pragmatic leadership.

    • Molon Labe

      The worse thing JK and Co did not do was unwind working for families. Could have been matched with some kind of tax cut to limit that groups ‘anger’ at being taken off the state tit.
      An opportunity lost and the debt machine still got bigger. Still the bankers were happy and that’s all that counts.

      I almost forgot but the ‘Government Slavery Tax’ hike to 15% was also a complete Cluster$%^& on the wider economy.

      In the meantime the free shit army grows…..

    • kehua

      Tony Ryall`s sorting out of of the Health Portfolio is a standout, we have not had any major problems there for a few years now.

      • Chiefsfan73

        Agreed, always a poisoned challis but Ryall has done good.

  • Molon Labe

    New Law Changes regarding Semi-Auto Rifles and Shotguns

    The Police are aiming for the following Law changes to come
    into effect 1st of November. Latest rumors suggest a 1 December effective date. Background on what this means for owners of a pistol grip semi auto?

    Police National headquarters have stated that you will be
    able to do any of these things.

    1. Change your stock and continue
    using it as A-cat.

    2. Apply for an E-endorsement on your licence once the law comes into effect and they will waive the $200 application fee. You must be considered a fit and proper person and have a gun safe that has 6mm steel walls or equivalent: Be aware of some safes sold as E-cat which are nowhere near 6mm steel. Once recorded as an E-cat your firearm will then be allowed any MSSA features; (pistol grip, collapsible/folding stock, high capacity magazine, bayonet lug or flash hider.

    3. Sell/dispose of your firearm.

    The Police advised us that there will be a period, perhaps 6 months where you will be able to organise any of the above to happen.

    A considerable number of A-Cat compliant semi-auto AR style rifles have been sold over the last few years so what are folks going to do? These were not cheap and costs range from $2,000 to 4,000 before adding accessories. Although AR stands for ‘Armalite Rifle’ owners more commonly refer to them as ‘Another Receipt’!

    Conversion back to A-Cat would be in the region of $300 for a compliant stock vs. $1,200 for an E-Cat compliant safe, plus all the paperwork and the fact that the firearm will be registered like a Pistol.

    Will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Apart from the downside of registration this could be a relatively cheap opportunity to move to E-Cat. For example, an E-Cat compliant AR currently costs around $7,500 before security and other costs are taken into account.

    Any folks grappling with this decision?

    • williamabong

      This is round two for this bullshit, last time the police thought they made up the law and just did it anyway, and got their arses kicked for doing it, there is zero justification for putting this change in place apart from looking like it’s a thistle in the arse of some senior wanker in police HQ.
      Eventually someone in the Keystone cops will wake up to the fact that it isn’t licensed firearm owners that are using firearms to break the law, if you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have guns, will ring very true.

      • Molon Labe

        No argument with that Will. Agree, that the ‘senior’ imports from the UK fascist police state have clearly been busy here.
        Still the question remains for a large number of licensed firearms owners and a decision will have to be made.

        • williamabong

          Agreed, zreo consultation once again, just quietly slipped into the law books, looney restrictive laws like Australia and the UK put in place haven’t worked, time has proven that.
          Politicians need to take heed of the bumper sticker “One million kiwis fish, hunt, and vote” before they follow, blindly, the lead from ploice HQ.

          • Molon Labe

            Unfortunately, the lefty ‘girly men’ (to coin Schwarzenegger’s phrase) never let the facts get in the way of the emotional arguments around firearms and their proven effectiveness as a deterrent to crime, etc. One can only look at those Democrat cities, such as Detroit, to see the consequences of restrictive guns law and the explosion in crime vs the right to carry jurisdictions where crime is basically non-existent.

            Hopefully Cam will put the whole arms act amendment as an article in its own right.

          • Muffin

            That might not be just due to gun laws, might be the local economic climate as well

          • Molon Labe

            I don’t necessarily disagree. However, having a rational argument with these people is impossible.

            The point being that criminal will take your stuff and do you and those you love harm. Sometimes for nothing more than ‘the fun of it’.

            “As the old saying goes, when seconds count the police are just minutes away.”

          • Muffin

            I’m all for guns, just not sure that using Detroit as a comparative to anywhere else is fair. Socialists and u ions did far more harm in Detroit than a free AK to every citizen.

          • williamabong

            I agree there are times when laws need amending and updating, but trying to slip changes through and hope no one notices is bullshit, what happened to the consultation process, or are our police force exempt from this.

          • Kopua Cowboy

            The whole “MSSA” thing is nonsense anyway. Example, I have an ex-military semi auto, but it is not (yet, I will watch developments here with interest) classified as a Military Style Semi Auto for the simple fact the bayonet holder has been whacked off.

          • Molon Labe

            The journalist guide to weapons identification

          • Molon Labe

            I think you answered your own question.

            Still, enough of us try to keep a watchful eye on them and as the court case proved on the ‘pistol grip’ issue a small victory was gained.

            All based on emotional arguments based on ‘feelings’ when the facts are presented that do not suit their memes. Kind of like debating sensibly with the Green Taliban on Climate Change or AGW or whatever they call it nowadays.

            I don’t no how many times I’ve heard “If it saved the life of just one child it would be worth banning every firearm”

            God help us all…

      • Molon Labe

        No argument with that Will. Agree, that the ‘senior’ imports from the UK fascist police state have clearly been busy here.
        Still the question remains for a large number of licensed firearms owners and a decision will have to be made.

    • Kimbo

      They made a classic faux pas 20 years ago when firearms owners became licensed, previous to that individual firearms were registered to owners which was far smarter. Upshot is that the police dont know “Who’s got what”. Ive traded firearms freely on TradeMe and buyers and sellers dont take the details of the new owners, just a rudimentary sighting of a license with no note taken of details.Its too late for a tidy up and having been to gun fairs and seen who some of the buyers are and what theyre purchasing is a bit scary.

      • Kopua Cowboy

        Best move the cops have ever made concerning firearms legislation. Just take a look at Canada.

    • cows4me

      It’s all part of making life hard and more expensive for the firearm holder. Guns are bad and evil, didn’t you know. These anti gun pricks never give up, it’s about power to these arseholes. The thought that the average citizen has the right to arm themselves goes against every fibre these lefty wankers have in their bodies. Think I’ll go out and buy another firearm.

    • Kopua Cowboy

      Havn’t been able to justify such an expensive semi auto, so plod will likely leave me alone for a bit longer. Fully sympathise with those looking down the barrel of yet more stupid laws. I suspect they are also after those using bolt action 338 Lapua, having stated this amendment affects “semi auto and some bolt action” rifles

  • LesleyNZ

    Len again – he just won’t go away.
    Seems the NZ Herald is once again the apologists for Len Brown. Poor old David Lewis. He reckons there are no more skeletons in the Len cupboard. He reckons he never tells lies. After reading this interview – David Lewis and the Mayor go well together.
    Michele Hewitson interview: David Lewis – http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11146405

    So we ratepayers are paying this guy for this?
    “His job is to move a story from the front page of a newspaper, or from the lead item on the news, to as far back in a newspaper or as far down in a news bulletin, as possible, as quickly as possible until, poof!, the story disappears.”

    David Lewis and the rest of them in the Mayor’s office have to go. Then maybe we will get new footpaths in our street.
    Tomorrow NZ Herald have an EXCLUSIVE about that Luigi guy. Wow!

    • Molon Labe

      I don’t think Cam should be holding back and waiting for those ‘Horrid’ clowns to break all and lay out Len’s dodgy resume right out there on the table.

      Still waiting Cam.

      Somewhat miffed…

      • ratesarerevolting

        I’d like ti to happen sooner rather than later as well……….. however if waiting means that Cameron can put another nail in the MSMs coffin or even better encourage them to start doing their bloody job which is investigation and informing the public i’m prepared to wait.

        • captainnotsosensible

          agree. there’s something to be said for letting the fools hang themselves on their own words and then bringing more to light.

        • kehua

          Problem is Cam does the outing and the friggin Herald has a double sellout and laughs all the way to the Bank.

          • Yea, but we’re helping them out with unsubscriptions.

          • Aren’t we just… perhaps we should do a post on the “CTR”….

    • ratesarerevolting

      I might be getting old Lesley but I don’t seem to remember that there was a cast of thousands during those years that Robbie was the mayor ? Seems that the ballooning in the staff at council has increased not decreased with the amalgamation.

      I noted this comment from him …….. ‘In Wellington half of Parliament’s carrying on, you know. Half of the Labour MPs I used to work with would have had matters in their private life they didn’t want public.” There was absolutely no point asking him to tell me. “They don’t tell me about it, do they?”

      It’s almost as if to say ….. ah well everyone’s up to it no big deal – out the bloody lot of them I say once we’ve thrown out the ratbags and opened up the books and tenders for public inspection perhaps the public might be able to have some confidence in their elected representatives again – at the moment have none.

  • Dick Brown

    Gay marriage; let’s not kid ourselves that anything else of note has been achieved.

    • Garbageman

      yet another stupid statement designed to inflame the readers for a reaction, at least post under your real name Len

      • Dick Brown

        Hello Garbageman, your erudite reply has produced a response:

        Let’s look at what ‘legacy’ means:

        1. Money or property bequeathed to another by will.

        2. Something handed down from an ancestor or a predecessor or from the past

        In this case number one can be ruled out for obvious reasons; unless you are a disgraced former NZ First MP.

        So we are opining what the National government will be remembered for in future generations; both locally and globally.

        Ok, so here are the reasons I picked Homosexual Law Reform:

        1. Legacies are predominantly new ideas or improvements on present systems; gay marriage fits this bill completely on both counts; it is relatively new globally and certainly an improvement on previous archaic systems.

        2. Chch earthquake and financial crisis management do not fit the definition of legacies because Chch would be rebuilt anyway and prudent financial management in a crisis isn’t exactly new. Also, I can’t remember who was in charge of the country when the Napier earthquake hit; do you?

        3. Legacies are meant to usher in new epochs of human activity or ideas. The Homosexual Law Reform in NZ has had wide ranging effects on other western democracies; Australia and the US to name just two.

        4. Legacies reflect bi-partisan decisions; i.e; people working together to enact something amazing.

        Nothing else the National Government has done will eclipse this

        • Muffin

          TLDR

    • williamabong

      With a name like Brown Dick I would have thought it would have got the big tick from you.

    • Molon Labe

      You forgot the /sarc tag….

      Unless you know something we don’t? Perhaps some phone pics snapped up on the back streets of Brown Town. Say, Papatoetoe and Len getin’ some from a 6 foot tranny? More than 2 minutes time will tell.

      No ‘judgement’ here….. Just sayin’

      • Dick Brown

        If he paid for it with his own money and the back of the bus stop wasn’t being mowed by council controlled mowers then he would be OK to be honest GO LEN

  • Phar Lap

    John Key !

  • Chancey

    Another good shake off Fukushima – happy to be in the southern hemisphere – for now

    The ocean is broken

    ”After we left Japan it felt as if the ocean itself was dead,” Macfadyen says. ”We saw one whale, sort of rolling helplessly on the surface with what looked like a big tumour on its head. I’ve done a lot of miles on the ocean in my life and I’m used to seeing turtles, dolphins, sharks and big flurries of feeding birds. But this time, for 3000 nautical miles, there was nothing alive to be seen.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/the-ocean-is-broken-20131018-2vs7v.html

    • Kopua Cowboy

      Thanks, made my morning :)

      • Chancey

        sorry :(

        • Kopua Cowboy

          No really, I laughed out loud. What a crock.

  • Nick

    So… any new posts about Lenny coming out this weekend? The suspense!

    • It appears we’re all in snooze land until Tuesday. NZ Herald are choosing to push a few pre-recorded bits from Loui Wewegi for the weekend. Don’t expect TVNZ to roll out a ratings killer during a long w/e either. So I think we can all have the weekend off. It appears that even taking down a bad mayor needs to yield to the commercial realities of the bottom line.

      • Pissedoffyouth

        bastards!

  • metalnwood

    The Herald says..

    ‘House rental prices in Auckland could rise by up to 50 per cent in some areas because new mortgage lending restrictions are pushing would-be home owners into the rental market.’

    Which market are they coming from to go in to the rental market? Thats where I thought they were already.

    • Nick

      FFS, aren’t journalists retarded?

      • Molon Labe

        The law of unintended consequences. Something that these central planners and the retarded public can neither grasp of comprehend.

        The auckland housing price inflation is nothing more than the consequence of the global availability of cheap money via artificially lowered interest rates and the digital printing press otherwise known as Quantitative Easing, or QE. Trillions upon trillions generated by the big three central banks, the FED, BofJ and BofE. Our RBNZ, along with the rest of the central baking global cartel, stick with the same failed policies that have not addressed the issues. I would add that Joe Publics fixation with the CPI is part of the problem. Inflation is about the money supply, in this case, credit creation, where this goes the Central Banks have no control it does not necessarily translate into uniform price inflation.

        In New Zealand’s case it goes into bricks and mortar. Savers continue to be decimated and debtors rewarded. Same old same old as people search for yield. That is the ‘inflation’, not consumer prices, tracked via Stats NZ which is all manipulated through hedonics anyway.

        This will go on until suddenly it does not and every talking head will go on TeeVee and ask why couldn’t anyone see this coming.

        The risk in NZ is we are way too poor to even contemplate bailing out a major Bank that got itself into trouble. The RBNZ have quite clearly told everyone that they will not and cannot intervene.

        Groundhog day so prepare accordingly.

  • Nick

    Sorry, on the topic of the GD:

    John Key’s legacy will be that he has seriously squandered his and National’s popularity and political capital and wasted a chance to actually reduce the size of government.

    Sure he has steered the country through some tough times, and he was party elected for his leadership. But he was also elected because he made us believe he would roll back Labour’s socialism. So far he has done nothing to attack the sacred socialist cows of interest free student loans, WFF (communism in his own words) and National Super.

    From an economic policy perspective we basically have Labour but with a slower growth of government. It is still growing and its certainly not reducing.

    National’s failure to make hard economic decisions and present these to the populace is going to hurt us long term. Treasury has projected that government debt was to blow out to a staggering 200% of GDP by 2060.

    All in all, I think the National government, while showing good leadership in some areas, has been an abject failure from an economic and fiscal policy perspective.

    • To be honest, they really got in on the promise to maintain the status quo but they would remove that toxic labour lot from the controls of power. Then the next term they said that they would do all that and sell some assets.

      That’s been about it.

      Not very ambitious – allowing for Chch and the Global crises.

    • johnbronkhorst

      Sure they reduced the size of govt.
      49% of the employees of MRP and Meridian are effectively PRIVATE company employees now.

      • Nick

        errr…. no. Not a good analogy

        • johnbronkhorst

          NO it is an excellent analogy!!!
          They should have sold 100%.

  • rockape

    The Leader of Labour is talking about plans for the regions and their economic recovery. A few points without the need for working groups. The West Coast is about mining and forestry; how is that going to go down with your Green partners. The bBay of Plenty and the East Coast have a chance for real high paid skilled jobs; how will that go down with your Green mates. Labour you want as plan for jobs and industry: here it is. DITCH THOSE GREEN CLOWNS YOU SEE AS YOUR HOPE OF GOVERMENT!

  • “Coolest Place in Space” – Oct 25th”

    Very interesting picture, I can see to zero G dark stars that have collided.

    The Sun appears to be on the interface line between them.

    The reason I can see these stars is because the outflow particles do
    not follow dead straight vector lines of force, they are curving towards
    the right side of the picture.

    They are enormous zero G masses.

    PS: Based on the “cones” of particles being emitted from the sun, I’d
    say both dark stars are spinning in the same direction either towards
    or away from the observation point.

    PPS: This picture raises all sorts of questions about Zero G particle interaction with larger particle masses, in this picture of the Abel Cluster they have evidence of dark matter passing straight through galaxies unimpeded

  • Eiselmann

    My town not 15 minutes drive from Auckland has shockingly slow internet , all this can change if one tree in a landscape covered in trees is cut down, however the local greens dominate the community board and have blocked the plans for years.
    You know for all the annoyance this causes no one ever considers the possibility that the tree that needs to be cut down is the tree they hug…

    • Salacious T Crumb

      Take one 40cc syringe with a drawing up needle. Add 40ml of paraquat. Locate exposed root and inject. Problem solved.

      • Eiselmann

        I would never do such a thing …ever ,I’m shocked ,genuinely shocked…..paraquat did you say? 40ml’s …thanks ..now just have to climb a hill

        • blokeintakapuna

          Stihl has plenty of solutions too…

    • Steve (North Shore)

      Handfull of copper nails

  • johnbronkhorst

    Competent level headed governance.
    Balanced budget.
    Trends rising against the world trend, admired by many other countries.
    State Hospital system that actually works.
    Removing Govt. from the economic interference in the lives of it’s citizens (asset sales).
    Tightening the strings of the welfare hammock to recreate the safety net that it was supposed to be.
    Expanding the breadth of our economy and therefore the risks involved in having all our eggs in one (dairy/ primary produce) basket….ie mining, drilling etc.
    A variety of education possibilities/ options, in methodology. In order to achieve, through choice, better outcomes for future generations and a better spend of our current funds.
    I may have missed some.
    Please feel free to add.

    • blokeintakapuna

      Great comment…

    • Patrick

      Pity some of this was left so late in the second term, unless they get a third term I suspect much of the above will be unwound by the commies. Especially charter schools

      • johnbronkhorst

        Wait for the latest, growth, unemployment figures etc to come out.
        Then we can play the I’ll show you mine (growth, lowering unemployment, reversal of immigration figures, lower hospital waiting lists etc).
        Will you have the guts to show us yours? (how much borrowing, credit downgrade, inflation, increased taxation, destruction of private enterprise)

        • Patrick

          You are working on the assumption that the voters will evaluate all this. The last few elections have demonstrated that assessing policies & their effect on NZ is in the too hard basket & far lower down the list than “what is in it for me.”

          • johnbronkhorst

            Just answer their question…….here’s what’s in it for you:
            Vote National:….Ever increasing economic wealth, better hospitals, higher take home pay, less taxes.
            Vote lab/green: Higher taxes, stagnating take home pay, rorting of the electricity market, failure to achieve anything they have promised, skyrocketing hospital waiting lists…..sound familiar?
            Back to the bad old days of Clarke and Cullen ….almost an anagram for cunliffe!

    • rockape

      Seems that Law and order is doing ok to. Everyday we seem to get some major drug bust. The police seem to be taking it to the gangs at last.

      • johnbronkhorst

        Road toll down. Post raising the driving age.
        I’d like to the see the accident rates, re 16- 25’s then maybe we can pressure the insurance companies to lower rates.

  • Alfred12

    Simon Boxer from Greenpeace on the Nation bullshitting the country again on potential oil spills from deep water wells. Beautiful response from an Auckland uni professor quietly telling the wanker that NZ’s geology is not the same or similar to the Gulf of Mexico. Their oil is in domes that are both very high pressure & the crude is heavy oil, hence the mess following the Deep Horizon disaster. NZ on the other hand has low pressure wells that require artificial pumping to bring it to the surface. Our oil is more of a light condensate fluid. FFS do those pricks ever tell the truth or admit they might be wrong.

  • Steve (North Shore)

    Where is Len Brown right know at 7.15 Saturday 26.10.13?

    Is he still in the Town Hall under his desk? Is he home with the wife and family? Is he hiding in a Hotel under a pseudonym like “Len Brown’? coz nobody will believe that is a real name – just like John Smith.
    Has he gone hiding with the bros in his homyland – the ones that voted for him? Is he hiding at a motor camp in a tent?
    Where the fuck is Len Brown?
    Like where’s Wally?

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