Thursday General Debate

Thursday.  7am.  General Debate post.

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You are allowed a maximum of two children while on welfare.  Once you have two or more children, a condition of receiving welfare is to be steralised.  This goes for both parents.

 


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  • conwaycaptain

    Or long term birth control system. Also NO ONE gets WFF or any other subsidy for more than 2 kids.
    Any woman that goes on the DPB even with one child has to go on long term contraceptives.

  • Muffin

    Sounds great but can’t see the left being stoked at the idea

    • williamabong

      That’s because you’re eliminating their voters.

      • Muffin

        Exactly

    • cows4me

      Fuck the left

      • Dave

        Dont worry C4M, they keep fucking each other. Hey Len…..

  • Muffin

    On another note, some of those muppets in ACC pushing for a ban on wood burners due to the pollution…. Wayne walker comes to mind. Take a look over at Aussie, those bush fires are probably 10 years of house fires in Auckland……

    • Ever been to Westport? The smell of coal burning is just about a year-round event. I swear some of them must cook with it because you can still see it coming out of the chimneys in mid summer. (probably also part of their water heating I guess)

      Anyway, the point – if, like me, you prefer clean air because of asthma, the reduction of any air pollution generating heating is very welcome.

      • Muffin

        I’m not convinced we are reducing anything, bit like CO2 and volcanos. And people without fires still heat their houses just someone else is burning the oil or coal.

        • OhopeBeachBugger

          Excellent – EXCELLENT documentary to watch after work:

          • Muffin

            Excellent agrees with me or excellent retort? Because I love my fireplace.

          • I have no problem with my neighbour using it to heat his house. But when I have my washing out on a sunny windless day, and they throw their plastic rubbish in the fire to burn off – I have to close all my windows and doors until it is over. This, sadly, is a daily occurance, and I had to just get used to the fact my clean clothes smell of burned rubbish sometimes.

            Oh the joy of neighbours eh?

          • dumbshit

            move

          • OhopeBeachBugger

          • Not that I’m moving for that reason, but it may come to that shortly. I’ve been very lucky here for a good 13 years. No crime, virtually no teenage related troubles, but this fire thing is rather odd. I didn’t think burning plastic at a low heat was a good idea for your fire anyway, but I may be wrong.

            My new neighbours will be a whole new lottery ticket. Loud cars, parties, fights, music, cooking smells, through the night activity… spared them all here. Could be in my future again.

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            Better the devil you know, for sure…

          • blokeintakapuna

            Hope not – that really sucks when it happens. I used to live in Takapuna until fairly recently, right in the centre of it. Being close to all the “Action” was great for all kinds of socialising, but the noise was virtually intolerable from Thurs – Sun – especially as the bars and pubs closed… and for a country boy in the city it was just too much, so had to leave after 3 years. Today a serene and quiet, secluded little part of Murrays Bay has never looked better – or been so quiet.
            Just as we moved to MB – the TV programme’s about ACC noise Control started screening – and OMG were we grateful for quiet neighbours.
            … but nothing beats country living…

          • dumbshit

            2 acres 3 minutes from shops 70 metres from nearest neighbour over-looking golf course not planning on being at leaving ceremony

          • Muffin

            That’s just rude, I only do bonfires at night and try to avoid plastic. I’ve done away with the new ours thing as well. I hate living close to others.

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            If you love your fireplace, you will love this doccy.

          • Muffin

            Cool I’ll watch it then, thanks

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            Come back here and let me know what you thought…

        • TomTom

          It does change the local pollution effect. You should see what Alexandra was like ten years ago in the middle of winter – constantly under smog. The regional council put in the new clean-burning standards for woodburners and so on and it’s so much better now.

          • Muffin

            No prolem iwth the clean burning stuff, just cant agree to ban them altogether. we are on 5 acres surrounded by bush and we still use the clean burning systems.

          • TomTom

            Yes but Alexandra is a town of 5000, in a virtually treeless bowl and pretty high up. Situation demanded banning of heavy polluting heating systems for the health well-being of the town.

          • Muffin

            understandable, auckland is a different kettle of fish, and I would have thought the vehicle emmissions would have more effect than some wood burners

      • grumpy

        Don’t knock Westport………wonderful place….

  • Jonathan Pull

    Long term birth contorl is far more lo What if god forbid someone gets off the welfare ladder and supports themselves and wants a bigger family? The state would have removed that from them.

    On another note, Russia has dropped the piracy charges against 30 of the (all?) greenpeace protesters.

    • Muffin

      I don’t think people trying to get off the welfare ladder have more children until they do.

      • Jonathan Pull

        I personally can’t understand peoples wanting of multiple children.
        I have one, he was unplanned but very much welcomed but I don’t want another one even if I were earning more, children are expensive and why anyone would want to multiply that (apart from the possible factory for funds option) is beyond me.

        • la la land

          Ewww glad you aren’t my father!

          • Jonathan Pull

            Really, thats all you’ve got?

          • la la land

            I just couldn’t be bothered getting into it

          • Jonathan Pull

            Feel free to try again later.

          • heh

          • Jonathan Pull

            The skin is a bit thicker than when I first came here.
            At first (confession time) I thought most were just knuckle draggers beating their chests, now I realize that while some might sound crazy (to me) they are just passionate about their point of view. PC doesn’t protect me from what they say, it allows them to say what they want about me (within reason of course).

          • Muffin

            I agree you weren’t my favourite

          • Just as an aside, I rarely get angry when people have a go at me online. I’ve learned to recognise it as a warning when I do. Generally it means I’m not in a good space. After all, why would a few words written by someone I don’t know, doesn’t know me, and has no real place or influence in my life manage to make me angry/hurt/whatever?

            I do get informed, stimulated and laugh a lot.

            But when it makes me angry or hurt, I now immediately use it as a diagnostic marker to figure out what’s wrong with me.

            Usually some extra sleep or spending some time in the outdoors fixes it :)

        • Muffin

          We have two, that’s enough for me anyway. That said I wouldn’t want none. Would make life feel very incomplete I imagine. Of course it’s some people’s choice or fate not to have kids and that’s fine I am just happy we have ours.

          • Jonathan Pull

            Fair enough, I’m certainly not mocking or belittling people who have more as a choice, just that I dont understand that choice.
            And I completely understand, as I said my son was unplanned but very much a welcome addition to our lives.

          • Muffin

            My parents had 4…. Kept trying for a girl with no luck. Now I think they were certifiable.

          • Jonathan Pull

            Oh I know people like that, ended up with 5 children because she wanted a girl. Id hate to think what they get a week.
            For some reason though that situation irks me more because they kept going until the got the gender they want instead of choosing 5 children she just wanted a girl. The mind boggles sometimes.

          • hookerphil

            I’m glad my parents kept trying for a girl – I am 6/6.

          • Muffin

            My youngest brother is also…. Not a girl, just happy to be here

        • Pete George

          I have three children, pre WFF, and it’s the best investment I’ve made by a long way.

    • OhopeBeachBugger

      Let’s hope this doesn’t result in all sorts of crowing from those Greenpeace bean-fart smelly hippy douchebags…

      • Muffin

        Isn’t that what pussy riot got locked up for? I think they can still look forward to 2 years inside or so

        • tarkwin

          I was hoping for seven. Can I make a submission?

          • Muffin

            I was hoping for life but sometimes things just aren’t fair

          • Dave

            Very unfair on the Russian jailers, putting up with their lefty green bullshit day in day out.

        • OhopeBeachBugger

          Reckon Russia will have them awaiting trial for ages too, as the message needs to be abundantly clear: try this shit again at your own peril.

    • Funny tweet:

      Greg Boyed ‏@GregBoyed 16m

      Russia drops charges against Greenpeace activists from ‘piracy’ to ‘hooliganism’ next charge down is ‘ratbaggery” followed by ‘tsk tskism’

    • 1951

      I heard that they are now facing ‘Hooliganism’ charges……that’s about right then.

  • snakebit

    No way. Dont give the state that sort of power! Are you serious? Just tighten up on what they get and for how long they get it.

  • LinkinHawk

    Looks like you have underestimated Len Browns ability to tough this out, Len Brown has absolutely no shame what so ever ,even though he will be aware of the humiliation he has caused himself and his family, it is water of a ducks back for him. He is certain not to stand down and there is no one to fire him. Unless there is some explosive new allegations and I doubt there is, he will be in the top job another 3 years.

    • OhopeBeachBugger

      And there we have the blindingly obvious reason as to why he is unsuitable for the job. Reminds me of Catch-22:

      “There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one’s safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of arational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn’t, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn’t have to; but if he didn’t want to he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle.
      “That’s some catch, that Catch-22,” he observed.
      “It’s the best there is,” Doc Daneeka agreed.”

      Only an honourable man would resign the mayorship and an honourable man is the sort who should hold the mayorship. But a dishonourable man wouldn’t resign, and isn’t the sort who should be mayor, but he is the mayor and only because he is dishonourable.

      (With my restatement of Catch-22, we can see why Joseph Heller is the famous author and I’m some schmuck in Ohope).

      • I’m surprised you’re not having problems with sand in your keyboard

        • OhopeBeachBugger

          It’s a very real risk…

          • blokeintakapuna

            nice indeed. Skite!

          • Tauhei Notts

            Good golf course at Ohope.

    • williamabong

      Still going to be a total lame duck as well asv having to endure the ridicule thats going to come his way.
      As a nation we should be proud of the fact we appointed a liar, a cheat, and a genuine all round cunt as the mayor our largest city, you JAFFAs voted for him, now live live with it.

    • Hazards001

      Can honestly say I never underestimated his ability to stay at the trough…

      Comment to Travis “He’s not going to resign at all. Show me one instance of an honourable lefty?”

      http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/face-day-54/#axzz2ibsTzMem

  • Molon Labe

    As much as I despise these ‘bottom feeders’ from the free shit army who will decide? I would prefer that voting at least be restricted to those that pay taxes. If you are, in any way, in receipt of some government largest you cannot vote to steal yet more from those that do.

    • Jonathan Pull

      While I agree with the sentiment the vote isn’t a vote for benefits, its a vote for representation, something that everyone deserves.
      And if you wish to be pedantic (not trying to start an argument) beneficiaries pay tax.
      What you are almost speaking of is going back to peasantry or serfdom.

      • Muffin

        Come on JP taxing redistributed tax money is not paying tax. I’m sure the government would want to hold onto the whole dollar as opposed to getting 10.5 cents back in tax

        • Jonathan Pull

          I said I was being pedantic, I wasn’t saying its right at all.
          I do like the idea that they do get some of their benefit money back straight away.
          I wonder if that is accounted in figures?
          X amount of billions is spent on welfare every year but is that before or after the tax is taken off, regardless of how small that take may be.
          Im not taking a stand for welfare, would just be curious.

          • Muffin

            It would be before with the tax receipt recognised elsewhere.

        • Molon Labe

          Spot on Muffin. Those in power know what they are doing. Helen’s working for families widened the group of the free shit army significantly. 90% of the population are so mathematically challenged they think they are getting something from the rotten, insolvent ‘state’ and they do not want to let that go. JohnBoy left this in place of course.
          Disclaimer – I do not vote.

          • Muffin

            I do agree that the first year of their first term could have been a great opportunity to make some big changes. That said we would have the labia and hippies in power by no because of it

      • OhopeBeachBugger

        You make a good point JP, though I am inclined to want to support Molon Labe’s PoV. Of course, we have to be aware of the laws of unintended consequences.

      • Dave

        Jonathon. The elected representatives can represent everyone, even the unemployed and beneficiaries. Its just that the income earners get to chose and VOTE who those elected representatives will be.

        No one is stopping those unemployed / beneficiaries from voting, they are always welcome to get off the benefit and become eligible to vote, and elect a representative!!

        • Jonathan Pull

          As I said above, you want serfdom not representation.
          Until you meet our standards you will do as you are told and are not free to choose who represents you, thats the crux of it and is utter elitist bullshit. You want tax payers, who here at least have little regard for beneficiaries to choose who represents them. Like you’ll choose the best choice for them or the best choice for yourself.

          • Dave

            Not at all. How about I come to your home or workplace and tell you what to do. Not on aye! One has to earn that right, same thing. Those net contributors to society EARN the right to vote. Already those in Prison have lost the right to vote, those on LONG TERM benefits should also lose the right. They can at some stage change that, its simple, its just getting oneself back into a mid to long term JOB, there you are, you can VOTE again now, problem solved, and what a great incentive to work.

          • Jonathan Pull

            Just be very careful where you liken beneficiaries to criminals, its a slippery slope.

          • Dave

            Huge difference Jonathon, criminals can also be beneficiaries, beneficiaries can also be criminals, but likewise, they can be mutually exclusive as well, i.e a beneficiary only.

            I still believe, a hand up, not a hand out, and cutting benefits and privileges after xxxxxx time on a benefit. There could be a simple term reinstated, that this person can no longer support themselves, they could become a “ward of the state” The lifetime cycle must stop, and stop very soon. The individual beneficiary can make a choice to change, learn and work, full rights restated. For Many many beneficiaries, not working (long term) is an active choice they make.

          • Jonathan Pull

            I agree it should be a hand up not a hand out and it should also be time limited but to say if you fall on hard times that you shouldn’t have a say didn’t sit well with me personally.

          • Jonathan Pull

            I agree whole heartedly that it should ONLY be a hand up and that it should be for a time and not forever but I don’t feel that because someone is receiving a “hand up” they should have any less democratic rights as anyone else. I don’t really need to argue the case because it would never happen (and please don’t think I’m being smug saying that) it just sort of scares me that people feel segregation is even remotely an acceptable answer regardless of weather you can move yourself out of it your still segregated.

            I see why your saying what you are, I just don’t agree with it.

    • Muffin

      Agree 100% but coupled with this the welfare needs to be protected to stop all beneficiaries being marginalised totally, I.e. scrap all benefits tomorrow as they can’t vote you out.

  • williamabong

    What time is Brown Dick due here?, he’s probably getting pissed up before he makes grand entrance.
    Troll baiting should be made an Olympic sport, on second thought why bother the tossers are so easy to antagonize, still fun though.

    • Dick Brown

      Good morning William, I am here and I have commented so let’s be having you.

      • Dick Brown

        3 days here and already a living legend; maybe I should be on staff

        • OhopeBeachBugger

          I’d just like to say, Dick, that I don’t think your voice should be drowned out.

      • williamabong

        Two hours to get here, what happened did they lose the keys to the bar.

        • Dick Brown

          Thirld world internet william.

          Sorry, thats doing the third world a disservice; Africa has better internet than NZ.

  • Sponge

    I see the smelly hippies have had their charges downgraded to hooliganism. Shame.

  • tarkwin

    I don’t think the state should be able to steralise people. However something needs to be done. Welfare is a help up not a lifestyle choice. Vouchers would be a good start, why should taxpayers pay for booze and smokes?

    • Pete George

      The state should never be able to force sterilisation on anyone. Neither should the force contraception. The best they can do is encourage it and provide it.

      We need to remember that we need a natural population increase, or more immigration.

      • What’s the point in creating more welfare recipients and criminals?

        • OhopeBeachBugger

          The point he is making is that we cannot behave like fascists.

          • Muffin

            Or don’t claim a benefit…. There is a choice

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            Could be a bit of a Hobson’s choice for some. While it sounds good in theory (and even I am inclined to want something as drastic as that), it is fascist in practice (notice how I am carefully steering away from any mention of the War, Nazis and Hitler [oh shit too late] because to do so invokes Godwin’s Law and I have lost ;-)).
            Tighter control, like Paula B is doing, is the better way forward. Some people do need a hand up now and again, but they should not, as someone else has pointed out, take that as a lifestyle choice. It is a privilege (and a considerable one at that) and not a right or ‘entitlement’ as they annoyingly call it.

          • Muffin

            You are probably right, just make getting it such a pain that a job appears more attractive

          • What he said :)

          • Ok, but we can stop paying them then?

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            I reckon that would provide the greatest inspiration of all for a lot of bennies to get off their arses and find something prosperous to do.

        • Pete George

          State controlled breeding should and will never happen. The state has to do what it can to minimise welfare and crime – and the best way to do that is to improve our economy and employment opportunities.

      • GregM

        ” The state should never be able to force sterilisation on anyone. Neither should the force contraception” ,Yes I agree Pete G, But the state also should not have to pay for peoples repeated poor choices.

      • patrickstarr

        I dont believe the proposition is forcing anything at all, Its simply proposing a condition for the welfare. – if you want the money heres what you have to do.

      • Dave

        Conversely, the person should NOT force the state to provide them with welfare, as their poor planning has caused them to get pregnant.

      • cows4me

        No the state can’t and should not force contraception or sterilisation, the state should be promoting personal responsibility by way of policy. Example: State supports only one child by way of DPB, personal responsibility will kick in when the bludgers figure out the free lunch is only for subsistence.

    • OhopeBeachBugger

      You’re right. And the answer is indeed what Paula Benefit is doing, ie, making sure that welfare is provided only to those who need it. National’s approach is a sensible one which insists that people can and will take responsibility for their own lives, while Labour has so little faith in its constituents that it tells them they are useless. And they lap it up, why, because most of us, me included, are inherently lazy and need something (like the fear of winding up in the gutter, or worse, losing our boats and other toys) to compel us to get off the couch.

    • Molon Labe

      The state IS the enemy so no more authority should be given to them in any shape or form. However, globally so many ‘battles’ have been lost against our freedoms and individual rights. They’ve been been trampled and trashed.

      Personally, the ongoing march towards financial armageddon gives me some hope that eventually once they run out of money, which in mathematical terms is an absolute certainty, a reset will occur. What happens after that, or through the ‘transition’, can only be conjecture so prepare accordingly. So the outcome of the war has yet to be decided.

      Murray Rothbard’s ‘Anatomy of the State’ is a good read for anyone feeling somewhat disillusioned.

  • Just want to share some of my family humour this morning. Mrs P is out of town for a few days and I’m “in charge” of Mr 10 and 7

    Lol. Tooth fairy fail. ****** didn’t tell me he put it under his pillow. Many theories have been offered as to the fairy’s failure including death and a glut of “fangs” causing her not to need those. Hilarious

    omg funny :)
    poor child

    those were HIS theories
    I just said his head might have been to heavy

    omg funny

    he goes “AND HOW AM I HOLDING IT UP RIGHT NOW THEN?”

    is he trying again tonight
    omg funny

    yes. I suggested he place the tooth to the side so the TF can access it easier

    haha

    another coming out
    costly business

    yep. put it in your diary so you remember

    I’m not the TF’s secretary!

    haha :p

    • Muffin

      Can we expect the final nail for Len today? The fire he’s roasting under appears to be burning a little low.

      • I don’t think we’re the ones controlling the next step and Whaleoil is keeping powder dry with the knowledge it is on the way. But if those that are expected to do so fail to fire by the end of the weekend, we’ll have to have another look at what can be done next.

        This isn’t over.

      • Chancey

        im sure there is great gnashing of teeth as he tries to pull his council together

        • That better not be a euphemism…

          • Chancey

            believe it or not it is a direct quote from the world mayor project

            http://www.worldmayor.com/contest_2012/world-mayor-12-results.html

            Typical testimonial:
            Mayor Len Brown has been a fantastic leader for Auckland since the amalgamation of eight councils into one super city council. He has the ability to pull people round the table and reach a happy compromise.

            you couldn’t make it up!!

          • ** open mouth / complete silence / stunned look **

          • Chancey

            that was my reaction too when i came across it – (oh God the entire english language has been distorted for over the last week)

            take a blue pill you will soon feel better

          • Dave

            “ability to pull people round the table” That was supposed to be….. His ability to pull younger asian chicks and spread them on the table for his happy ending.

  • williamabong

    Also if you are on a benefit you shouldn’t get a vote, this includes the pension as you’re only going to waste it on Winston anyhow.

  • OhopeBeachBugger

    OK screw this you guys are costing me my job, wasting faaaaar too much time here…

  • Col

    If your on the benefit you automatically get the contraceptive injection, or no money???

  • dilligaf2013

    The probelm I see with this type of legislation, (irrespective of the merits and intentions) is that the new born children would, by default, lose any citizenship rights they might otherwise have by being born in NZ.

  • Rusty B

    Being steralised is probably a bit OTT, however, subsidising two children only, is spot on. In order to receive this subsidy, there MUST be BOTH parents names on the birth certificate as well.

    • Dave

      YES, and the PARENTS will be billed for the costs of that welfare longer term. The ferals having multiple children at a young age need to understand the lifetime cost of having that kid now, in NPV terms, and that THEY will repay it at some stage.

  • johnbronkhorst

    I see cosgrove on breakfast, comparing the asset sales to Susan Paul.
    They should be so lucky, that girl can sell snow to eskimos.
    Besides it’s better than the guaranteed credit downgrade, under their plan of borrow and spend.
    Instead of make deals to get:
    Convention centres
    Roads
    Rail
    schools
    hospitals
    etc etc
    All of which they say THEY will buy plus “Affordable housing” (HAHAHAHA) leaving the only way to pay for this will be to TAX and BORROW!!!

    • blokeintakapuna

      …and more increased Rates too no doubt!

  • Dick Brown

    I am 100% opposed to this for the obvious reasons. Pretty inflammatory question that is guaranteed to get a heated response either way I am sure.

    I look forward to reading them

    • Dick Brown

      Ok then, I may as well expand why I am opposed to it.

      It’s pretty simple; the control over one’s own body is sacrosanct in my opinion so I am fervently in favour of the right to choose abortion.

      So if I hold on to that position then I find it irreconcilable to foster even the notion of the state forcing compulsory sterilisation on the basis of some arbitrary economic parameter.

      Come on NZ, we’re better than this.

      Oh, and all the genocide and global conflagration that comes from these types of maniacal policies.

      • Muffin

        You are probably on the same page as most people here, that said I also believe most would agree that just racking up more and more kids at the states expenses is pushing the sacrosanct rights of ones body just a tad too far. What would you propose as an alternative to controling peoples right to breed but at the same time stopping state funded breading of future labour voters? maybe free contraceptive injections and a clear rule that no further funds for more than two kids or similar?

        • Dick Brown

          I’m at a loss to understand what exactly is the problem though? NZs birth rate is declining as our population ages so placing any restrictions on birthrate; no matter how pressing a problem may be in the present; negative returns will eventually make any long term economic, social or cultural changes untenable in the future.

          China realises this: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-03-13/will-china-change-its-one-child-policy

          And the horrific stories of aborting female foetuses in the story above will be directly transplanted to NZ if we adopt any form of population control.

          I don’t want that in my country; do you?

          • Dave

            Dick – please think about that. In china, its AS they are RESTRICTED to One, the culture is to have a male. My point, STOP them PRIOR to breeding. I also believe Eurpoean culture is not so focused on producing Male Babies.

          • Dick Brown

            Sorry dave, you won’t convince me to go your way of thinking.

          • Tom

            Birth rate declining overall, EXCEPT in the more feral areas of NZ, which is what we’re discussing

          • Dick Brown

            Feral areas you say? I wasn’t aware of any feral areas in NZ; none on the map anyway.

            I tell a lie, the biggest feral enclave I’ve ever encountered is Gore.

            Hang on… wait a minute!

          • Tom

            Kawerau, Cuntly, Wairoa etc etc are all on the map. Miserable shitholes

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            Kawerau has some really beautiful areas and is right next door to one of my favourite lakes, Tarawera. You can get an amazing house there for a tenth of what an Auckland shithole will cost you…(but, yes, there is a strong feral element in parts of it and the town is dying slowly as the mills gear down).

      • Dave

        Dick – as far as I’m concerned, any person over say….18 can go produce as many offspring as they want, so long as:

        1) they have the LONG TERM CAPACITY to provide for them themselves, ie, income, savings, housing etc.

        2) They have the emotional and intellectual capacity to bring them up, educate them and turn them into good future citizens.

        3) They take their place in society as a good citizen

        If they fall into the feral category, and show ZERO capacity or capability of any of the above, why wait until they have produced 2 offspring, cut their ability to reproduce NOW. Its relatively easy.

        The dole / benefit / payment is available ONLY under these circumstances. Rock up monthly, sit here, wait for the contraception injection, doctor stamps papers, proceed to next office, your now confirmed for the next benefit payments.

        Miss your appointment & there is a 2 month Stand Down. Tough, hell yes but why should MY tax $$$ be used (along with the other net NZ Taxpayers) to fund more ferals who will ultimately use an excessive amount of State funded resources, health, police, justice, prison, education, welfare. Lets cut the bullshit and the feral cycle.

        The real problem is this: THE BIRTH RATE AMONG’ST EDUCATED and MID to UPPER SOCIODEMOGRAPHIC is in severe DECLINE, fewer children and much later!! Whereas, the rate of FERALS continues unabated.

        • Dick Brown

          Sorry but I disagree entirely.

          • Dave

            Come on Dick, debate, WHY do you disagree

          • Dick Brown

            For the reasons in my original post?

          • Dick Brown

            Plus it will be an unworkable piece of legislation:

            1. Who will be responsible in forming the legislation?

            2. Who would WANT to be part of the parliamentary working group formulating this policy.

            3. What form of tendering process are you going to use in contracting out abortion services; best practice or lowest tender?

            4. Who will decide who is going to receive state-sanctioned abortions against their will? WINZ?

            5. Who will police this legislation? The Police? If that’s the case they need evidence that is up to prosecution standard under the rules of evidence so they will have to be responsible in both investigating and bringing the cases to the Abortion Court.

            6. That means you will have queues of cops lining up outside WINZ gathering evidence. Meanwhile that burglary you just reported won’t be attended to.

            And that’s just off the top of my head….

          • Dick Brown

            And another thing, let’s examine the practical aspects of the policy.

            Picture a woman being forcibly restrained on a hospital bed; having her legs forced apart and an unwanted hand holding an unwanted medical device is shoved into her vagina in order to kill a wanted foetus.

            That’s pretty disgusting

          • Team ENZ

            easy solution.. limit the benefit payments for maximum 2 babies per mother, anymore, tough shit.

      • Jonesybaby

        So totally agree with you, well done!

  • drummerboy

    Anyone notice yesterday that every single media outlet decided to attack oil drilling?

    • blokeintakapuna

      deflect, distract, obfuscate, coordinate similar attacks elsewhere, distract and deflect some more… then Hey Presto! A confused and bored public…
      Just like what the authorities did with the UFO sightings…

    • Gobe1

      smoke and mirrors eh

    • Patrick

      Probably an email sent to all MSM organisations orchestrating this in much the same way the Herald was caught out over retirement homes.

      Modus operandi remains the same, it is just the subject matter that changes.

  • Heh:

    Kerre McIvor @KerreWoodham
    Posties are a bit like pandas – loveable but ultimately doomed.

  • Kizzy MCD

    why not make birth control on all levels free and I think that if you have one child while on the benefit that you DON’T get anymore money for any other children. Sterilization is a bit harsh I think…just take away the means for “making money” and they may stop draining the system. I think that Paula Bennett has done a good job at slashing peoples “wages” as many see it to be. Its now a lot harder to be on the DPB and therefore there may be a decline in the number of babies being born in this country or God forbid a rise in abortion rates

  • Jonesybaby

    The problem with paying people to breed results in the baby bashing that has now become paramount, these children are now just a meal ticket.

  • Jonesybaby

    When oh when, are we going to get another daily paper in Auckland that won’t just print lies, innuendos and isn’t worthy of fish and chips?

    • Dave

      Jonsey, you already have it, its called WOBH, its delivered everywhere you are via a tablet or mobile device, and updated constantly between 6.30 am to approx 8.00 pm.

  • johnbronkhorst

    The Ministry of Education is chasing thousands of school staff for $10.4 million in overpayments resulting from Novopay blunders.

    The error-ridden school payroll system made 15,149 overpayments totalling $13.6 million, with only $3.1m recovered so far.

    c yahooxtra today…
    But I thought the PPTA said they all went “unpaid” or under paid?

  • steve and monique

    i am not sure about the sterilisation idea but how about, after child number two, you’re on your own, if you can’t feed em; don;t breed em. See the Horrid is running a story about a 38 year old drop kick complaining about being told to find work just after having a baby; but hang on a minute, i already have a 15 year old and an eight year old (not in my care), the father of this latest one has a drug habit and I have lost my license (not sure why) but why let the facts stand in the way of a good story? I am on maternity leave until Feb but then back to work for me, would love to stay home with kids (maybe not ALL day!) but have a little thing called responsibility and paying my way, pesky things those principles! Check out the discussion thread on trade me (not a patch on this site) but the discussions are full on for sure, not many sympathisers on there!

  • Steve (North Shore)

    What happened to the running interference from Ms Boag?
    Grandstanding by her? How is Uncle Len Michele?

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