Two Faced Cunliffe caught lying again

This won’t be the last time David Cunliffe tries to get away with saying different things to different audiences.

When you lie you get caught.

One passionate and stirring message for the workers; one politically sanitised version of the same message for everyone else.

It seemed as if two David Cunliffes had turned up at the Council of Trade Unions conference in Wellington yesterday. There was the one who delivered a rousing speech which promised an immediate hike in the minimum wage to $15 an hour; the introduction of a “living wage” for low-paid staff working in the core public sector; the scrapping of youth rates; an extension of paid parental leave; further progress towards pay equity; and the speedy repeal of National’s labour relations law changes now before Parliament. This agenda was lapped up by the delegates who gave the new Labour leader a standing ovation.  

It was a rather more restrained Cunliffe who fronted to the media after the speech. His language was suddenly peppered with conditional sub-clauses and stipulations as to when some of these things would happen. Provisos such as “subject to the provisions of fiscal responsibility”. Or “once we have seen the financials”. Or “depending upon exactly what shape the books will be in”.

Cunliffe is a big fan of double-speak, which normal citizens call lying.


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  • Whafe

    Wise up NZ, wise up real quick…. You have seen what Lyin Len Brown has done to Auckland, all because no one wised up…
    Wise up real quick, or this pathetic setup of the left is going to take NZ to hell in a handbasket real quick….
    It is near enough to economic sabotage, scorn on the left

  • blokeintakapuna

    What’s the bet even the very best of cuisine taste’s like shit to him? Bull Shit that is because that’s all that comes out his mouth.
    Let’s not forget his “Avondale market” accent attempt either.
    The 2-faced CV fraudster is even more plastic than Hone. He’s so twisted and conflicted by hypocrisy as to be NZ’s first political “human pretzel” – except without much flavouring or crisp freshness.
    The guys a fuckin’ dickhead actually… and it makes me sick that all of NZ’s workforce is over-taxed to support this lying, hypocrite.

  • Harroputza

    Sometimes I wonder a few things:
    > Do these people giving Cunliffe a standing ovation believe he will actually do what he says he will do?
    > Do they believe it’s financially possible and responsible?
    > Have they thought about the long-term consequences of such actions?
    > Do the politicians who say these things actually intend to do them?
    > Do they believe they are possible and responsible?
    > Or do they just say them to get votes?

    • Whafe

      Sad thing is, those giving this cunning prick a standing ovation just havn’t thought at all….

      • James Growley

        They don’t think, they are led by the nose by Helen Kelly and her entourage of mongrels.

      • Team ENZ

        numpties.. soccer balls.. empty inside full of hot air shit.

    • peterwn

      They would give any party leader except John Key, John Banks or Peter Dunne a standing ovation.

    • Bunswalla

      It’s the Council of Trade Unions, so the answers to your questions, in order are:

      > Incredibly, yes
      > I’m sorry, they do not understand the question, or its relevance to the issue at hand
      > Excuse me, you’re having a laugh aren’t you? Refer to above answer.
      > Of course not, nobody would be that stupid – not even Silent T
      > Of course not, and it doesn’t matter anyway because they won’t do them
      > Now you’re onto it.

  • ConwayCaptain

    Unfortunately the great unwashed who don’t understand economics will vote him in.
    He will do what Clinton did and get people into mortgages that they cant pay and when the banks try and evict them it will all be the banks fault not dozy Davids

    • AnonWgtn

      Clinton’s idea for what became the Sub Prime Mortgage was put forward by the Senator for Illinois who represented the Afro-Americans in South West Chicago.
      What’s his name Barak H Obama !

      • Bunswalla

        Mate don’t make shit up. Trying to blame the Subprime Mortgage crisis on either Clinton or Obama is complete rubbish.

        Clinton was POTUS from 1993 to 2001. The historical percentage of subprime mortgages in the market during his presidency was 8% or lower until 2003 (2 years into George W Bush’s first term) and between 2004 and 2006 the percentage shot up to 23.5% of the mortgage market.

        That represented an increase from approx $160b in 2001, Clinton’s final year, to more than $615b in 2006, 5 years into GWB’s 2-term reign.

        In 2008 the percentage plummeted to just 1.8% of the mortgage market. Obama was Illinois Senator from 1997 to 2004.

        So your “facts” are wrong, and your timing’s way out. If you’re stupid enough to think that politicians invented subprime mortgages and collateralized debt obligations and not the financial markets, well I have a bridge to sell you at a very attractive mortgage rate.

      • GazzW

        Too much listening to Leighton Smith AW. He’s openminded on most subjects but a closed book bigot when it comes to Barak Obama & the Democrats.

        • onelaw4all

          Was there any instance in particular that you were talking about?

      • onelaw4all

        To be more accurate, the original idea came from Obama’s long time fellow travelers, ACORN, in the 70s, which lead to the first incarnation of the Community Reinvestment Act, under Carter, then later metastasized under Clinton.

  • DangerMice

    So how long until the minimum wage workers get the shits and start asking why they too can’t have the ‘living wage’ and why are public service workers are so special.

    • JeffDaRef

      Exactly – because you can bet they don’t have the same perks and conditions as the public service.
      And if they scrapped PSA union membership, they’d all get a payrise immediately..

    • Col

      Because they are all union members, and unions will go out and say to the non union worker in small business etc, you join we will get you a Living Wage, you wait and see.

  • Micky

    Typical pavlovian response from sycophantic unionists.
    Cunliffe is a chameleon changing colour to suit his audience, lets hope most sensible people can see through his bullshit.

  • DavidW

    He would have got an response which was just as enthusiastic if he had promised to set up stocks in Queen Street and chained up all National voters to be pelted with rotten fruit.

    The pavlovian applause would have been delivered more out of an irrational hatred for the Nats than out of any consideration of the feasibility of Cunnliffe’s promises. Don’t ever underestimate the blind passion and lack of critical thought that the left have and express with enthusiasm. Idiots, useful to seekers of power – fatal to economic advancement.

  • Phar Lap

    Yes a two faced bastard with no guts, when he is in front of his puppet masters the CTU,seems he is running scared ,when Ms Kelly the potential NZ economy destroyer,even reminds him of his NZ doomsday promises to the unions, when he was campaigning to get the job as the Liebour Party new dictatorial leader.

  • Agent BallSack

    He’s only 2 faced because a vagina has 2 sets of lips.

  • steve and monique

    Sadly those who are ignorant wont see what damage these promises of his will cause. Seems labour voters only look for the short term gain for themselves,then the long term loss for the country. Lets hope these wankers get more time on the opposition benches, because they are not fit to lead. Plus who wants a two faced cunt running the place.

  • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

    Look at the opinion polls bros, look at the opinion polls – I rest my case. Curryleaf is flying high.

  • Guest

    You seem to be ignoring the lie that John Key has told over the copper tax and that “chorus will go broke” without his/government intervention which has been proven wrong.

    • Guest

      I guess sunlight and truth are only good when it doesn’t hurt the national party.

    • onelaw4all

      Link please.

      • johnbronkhorst

        Don’t hold your breath.
        All accusations and no PROOF.
        Notice how this group, making these accusations has suddenly gone all quiet.

    • IntrinsicValue

      There is no such thing as a ‘copper tax’. You are just parroting the lies of the left on a subject you clearly know nothing about.

  • cows4me

    She Beast was just plain old nasty, cunny is nasty with a fair helping of stupid to go with it. If these arseholes gain power the country will tear it’s self in two.

  • Steve (North Shore)

    I wonder what his neighbours think of him?
    Do they all lick his arse? or do they just shy away and wish he wasn’t there; like grafitti?