Unforgivable

This kind of crime is beyond any forgiveness or explanation and should not be buried in blather about poverty, colonialism or whatever.

It is imperative that the many decent leaders in the Maori community put an end to this frightful behaviour.

There are no excuses.

The father of a 2-month-old triplet who died in January last year has admitted murdering her.

Thomas Tamatea Ariki-Nui McGregor appeared in the High Court at Wanganui today facing seven charges and pleaded guilty to murdering his daughter Hinekawa Topia on January 12, 2012. 

She died of head injuries after being taken to Wanganui Hospital.

He also admitted wounding another of the triplets between December 21, 2011 and January 12, 2012.

Crown prosecutor Lance Rowe said no evidence would be presented for the remaining charges and that McGregor would be discharged on them at sentencing.

McGregor was arrested in July 2012 and given interim name suppression, however Justice Ronald Young today ordered it lifted via telephone conference.

 


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  • Ruth

    Another DUD Judge …..Ronald Young gives this scum bail when he has admitted murder which should be 17 years PLUS a load for vulnerable victims. And lets not forget the plea bargain that appears to have happened in order for the other violence charges to be dismissed
    Friggen outrageous – no wonder we have a child abuse issue in NZ – there is no deterrence. And in fact he can now commit all sorts of crimes while on bail and would serve the time concurrently anyway!

    • Mr_Blobby

      Yes outrageous.

      Lets not forget the pages of priors that have been suppressed.

      Silence from the, so called, leaders of Maoridom.

      The usual litany of irrelevant excuses.

      The sentencing discount for being Maori in the first place.

      Tariana Turia will be conspicuous in her absence, probably related.

      Calls for a Maori solution funded by the Government, only problem is that nothing done in the past has done anything except make the maori elite richer. Not to mention the mantra that the rest of us are racist and it is all our fault. The moves to suppress the story as soon as possible by a compliant media.

      • Dave

        The only Maori solution needs to learn:

        Stop killing your kids, LEARN to live in the community and within the rules and the norms of the society / community most seem to suck the bejesus out of.

    • jedmo

      Out on bail..that’s pretty poor from the justice system for the victim(s)

  • Same old story really. Excuses will be given, and it will happen again in this country soon.

    • opusx

      An horrendous crime to be sure…but I note with some relief the offender in this instance admitted his guilt…this in and of itself sets this case apart from many that have preceeded it by not having whanau close ranks and lie to cover up the actions of one of their own. From my point of view this is a huge step. The crimes are unforgivable…that much is certain, but at least McGregor was man enough to admit he totally fucked up.

      • Mark

        To an extent I agree with you Opusx but I wouldn’t use the words “fucked up” – that implies he just made a mistake or was negligent. This went well beyond that to utter callous evil.

      • Mr_Blobby

        It is probably a ploy to get a sentencing discount.

      • andie3007

        self preservation the cowardly mutt…early guilty plea = 25% discount of sentence.

  • dilligaf2013

    Although I am unable to reconcile the use of capital punishment, should any of my children be harmed in any way, this opinion would undoubtedly change. Perhaps the ability to create and / or care for children should be a priviledge and not a right…..?

    • richard.b

      I concur.

    • andie3007

      this is why there is merit in the USA and Islamic penal system, murder, child sexual abuse…these sorts of crimes = death penalty.

      • MrLastMinute

        Yeah it’s a bit of a gray area with Sharia. Generally if you can stump up some blood money or your in right the (read male dominated power clique) circles you can get away with anything. It’s only the poor and women generally who get the stoning / beheading / limbs removed.

  • Toryboy

    Interested to see he lives in Wanganui – Tariana Turia country.

    Naturally the murder was all my fault – all the fault of colonialism, or imperialism, or any other –ism you care to name – anything other than the slightly more obvious reason.

    Another excuse for her to instruct John Key to throw another billion dollars at the Maoris and him to meekly doff his cap and comply.

  • Dick Brown

    Because Whitey don’t hit or murder their kids.

    • williamabong

      Sorry Brown Dick but us “white folks” do murder our kids we just don’t do it as much as you brown folks, must be that “warrior gene” you fellas are so proud of.

      • Dick Brown

        Looks like I’m going to be up to my neck calling out racists again today. This website community is really SHIT and dangerous when you scratch the surface.

        • Toryboy

          If all you are going to do is call everyone a racist – why not troll elsewhere?

        • williamabong

          Nothing racist you egg, just facts, something idiots like you will ignore till hell freezes over.

        • jaundiced

          I’m afraid you’re right Dick. I’ve noticed there’s been a whole bunch of newcomers to the site attracted by the salacious goings on in the mayor’s office. Like Toryboy – he’s lim a kid who’s just discovered the free ice-cream machine at Valentines. Commenting on everything and everything but nothing intelligent to add and embarrassingly misinformed about most things

          • Dick Brown

            Thank you for that jaundiced; I was beginning to wonder if these clowns were representative of the entire membership base of this establishment.

          • Dick Brown

            Oh, and for clarification purposes I am as white as the driven snow; born of an English mother and a Scottish father and brought up in a Presbyterian background in Dunedin.

          • Mr_Blobby

            I think you are full of shit.

          • Agent BallSack

            You should get out of Dunedin. It’s affecting your IQ and ability to interact with adults.

          • Mr_Blobby

            Probably abuses Indian Taxi drivers for fun in his spare time.

            A very southern thing to do.

            Happens when you have a healthy inbreeding program.

          • blokeintakapuna

            does that mean you like to get pissed – but don’t like paying?

          • Toryboy

            Not to mention the Labour spin machine posters on here to shut down debate and spit personal abuse at others.

          • jaundiced

            Thanks for confirming my point Toryboy . I’m not a labour supporter

          • Toryboy

            You claim I am misinformed – well Turia did say maori problems were due to colonialism and should be excused; funding for Maori has increased by well over $1 billion in 5 years with nothing to show for it.

            The murder of this and other babies is greeted with silence from the Maori party – and all critics are called racists.

            You will be a very old woman (I am presuming you are some typist in the Labour research unit under a bogus name trolling?) before you can pinpoint anything I say which is inaccurate or misinformed.

        • Mr_Blobby

          This is not about race. It is about a minority in our community, who have a severe case of entitleitis, who have found that it is easier to sit around, in grievance mode, begging for money rather than go out and earn it. An elite class that encourages their slave class for their own financial benefit. The middle class have moved overseas and are doing very well for themselves.

          The Maori political class, who have twice as many MP’s as to what they are entitled to as a percentage of the population, will not only remain silent on this subject, they will actively suppress it because it puts Maori in a bad light.

          And the inter-generational cycle will continue.

          • Dick Brown

            What are you guys, 14?

          • Mr_Blobby

            50 and of Maori decent, now wake up, smell the coffee and stop being such a tosser.

          • Dick Brown

            What does that statement even mean?

          • Mr_Blobby

            It means that you are an inter-generational sad arsed apologist, and a fucktard.

          • Agent BallSack

            Tell us what you really think Blobby!

          • Mr_Blobby

            And I hate having to agree with Agent Ballsack.

          • Agent BallSack

            It had to happen one day!

          • Dave

            Nice to see you two having a whale cuddle !! :)

          • Dick Brown

            It must be from similarly racist mates and/or family members.

            It’s shame that I feel when I read comments from the likes of mr blobby, toryboy, patrick and williamabong.

            Shame.

            The same shame I felt when Campbell Live went to the Pacific Labour heartland that is South Auckland and canvassed the people on Grant Robertson’s chances to get the Labour leadership and all they said was that they wouldn’t be voting for a POOF because of GOD.

            This is the same, sick attitude that pervades some parts of NZ and it should be eliminated.

          • Agent BallSack

            I don’t get that statement Dick. Whats wrong with people not voting for a poof because of God? What exactly bothers you? That they won’t vote for a queer or that they believe in God?

          • Dick Brown

            People can do what they like; I still believe in freedom of expression and choice just don’t expect me to like it.

          • Agent BallSack

            I don’t think you like very much that’s not part of your narrow myopic view of the world. Since you are an obvious troll I bid good day to you sir.

          • Patrick

            But here’s the point Dick, you don’t believe in freedom of expression or choice, if you did you would show a more considered reaction to those you disagree with. Yet your stock answer to anyone you disagree with is to shout racist, bigot, even accuse them of being Nazi sympathisers. You are childish constantly name calling when you disagree. All the name calling & mock outrage adds nothing to the debate. Do some legwork, understand the topics, come back with facts, & add your opinions based on those facts, otherwise all you do is stink up the joint.

          • Agent BallSack

            Save your breath. It’s obvious he is as thick as shit and cares more about the fight than any transmission of ideas or counter arguments.

          • Toryboy

            Yes I am so racist I am getting married on Saturday… to a Maori. How pathetic you are Dick Brown for your name calling and your ignorance.

          • Dick Brown

            I wish you all the worst in life then.

          • Toryboy

            You would!

          • williamabong

            What a total fucking wanker.

          • GazzW

            Now that’s not a very nice Presbyterian Christian sentiment Dick.

          • 4077th

            Really? It looks like people are trying to at least give you an opportunity to make a point. No need for the childish snide remark. I for one am prepared to listen if you have something of worth to share.

          • Random66

            Congratulations Tory. Hope the wedding goes well, and hope the marriage goes better.

          • Toryboy

            Thank you Random66

          • Agent BallSack

            Grats Tory, much happiness to you and your wife. And family if you have kids!

          • Dave

            Congrats on the wedding, hope you both enjoy a lifetime of marital bliss.

          • blokeintakapuna

            All the best for it… but I think it was Billy Connelly who said getting married then eventually getting divorced would be much cheaper and easier if you just find a woman you don’t like – then give her your house, car and half your money…

          • Mr_Blobby

            Whose shame.

            Maori make up less than 15% of the population, over 50% of the prison population. It would be 70% except for the preferential treatment given to maori at sentencing, judges bend over backwards, not to put Maori in prison.

            Come to Auckland and spend a few days sitting in the back of the District Court and you will see exactly what I mean.

            White boy, very little discussion, throw the book at them. very impressive. Maori lots of discussion and excuses. But most surprising. I personally witnessed judges asking the lawyers “what would your client be prepared to accept.” the defense lawyers recommendation, after some discussion, would be accepted. As soon as the defendant had his back to the Judge and walking out, the smiling and celebrating started.

            They had just got one over the man.

            Absolutely no deterrence factor at all. One day I was going down the escalator and a Maori woman employed by the Court, to liaise with maori, started yelling don’t do that in here take it outside. A group that had just been before a judge, were about to tag the inside front foyer of the district Court

          • Dave

            Unfortunately Mr Blobby, your correct, but please add to that. Sit in a winz office for a god few hours and count the number of people in their, and their behavior, oh, and do the math of the race / cultural breakdown. Thats not racist, but factual.

          • Mr_Blobby

            Have no first hand knowledge.

            But a friend of mine had to go to a WINZ office to lodge a power of attorney for a friend who could no longer look after himself.

            While he waited in line, a Maori man came in went straight to the counter and slapped down a pile of bills and said “pay these for me” and walked out. The person at the counter just lifted them off the counter and placed them on the desk.

            Last time I walked past a WINZ office there was a security guard on the door.

            If you perform and carry on in an aggressive way they transfer you to the remote monitoring unit. You get an 0800 number to call and get basically whatever you want.

            A few facial tats ensures that you are unemployable.

          • Dave

            Again, unfortunately, their policy reinforces the behavior, a policy of Aggressive behaviour only gets your case / needs put on hold, and you have to deal with BIG BUBBA, and the armed security guard, any misbehaving, and your out for 48 hours. but no, just a special number, with preferential treatment in good old NZ, lest they discriminate against anyone.

            About 4 weeks ago, had to renew my Aussie driving licence, a “client” in front of me was getting agitated, the supervisor got the security guard, his details were taken, and he was given a weeks ban from any of their centers, when he ranted about not having a license and not being able to get to work, she simply and calmly said, maybe next time you wont be so aggressive.

            Fantastic……

          • Kimbo

            I don’t disagree that all people need to be held accountable, irrespective of race.

            The thing that bothers me about the appalling Maori statistics re the justice, system, education, health, etc., is that those sort of stats parallel the experience Aborigines in Australia, Native Americans including Innuit in the USA and canada, and other colonised people.

            As with most things, the truth lies somewhere in between the personal responsibility/structural injustice argument.

            Just suggesting…

          • Dick Brown

            Now this is an excellent post. Worthy of a reasoned and dignified answer.

            I certainly buy into the colonial parallels of the countries you have listed; and this is also the case for indigenous people in the other, now forgotten Imperial conquests.

            Like Palestine for an example.

            But I do believe that whereas Australia deserves a definite F grade in this regard New Zealand has a creditable C- grade with the possibility of improving this score.

            It’s not all doom and gloom for Maori; despite the roadblocks they have managed to engineer a world wide Maori renaissance and have finally been given access to justified funds for historical regressions and unlawful land grabs.

            The future IS bright, but only if we actively engage with them as true partners in negotiation, and not as a possible burden.

            The financial rewards for all parties are stupendous; the market for historical tourism is booming; there is a whole industry sector out there for countries who actively embrace their indigenous people and celebrate who they are warts and all.

            Money money money.

            If, as New Zealanders, we collectively want true equality then what sort of attitudes do you think will be more successful in attaining that goal? The will to actively work with a people to affect a mutually beneficial outcome? Or casually poo-pooing anything a ethnic minority wants to do as bludging and worthless and not worth any resources?

            Just putting it out there.

          • Agent BallSack

            That’s better Dick. See? You’re not just a condescending prick, you are capable of rational posts after all. Good boy.

          • Kimbo

            “despite the roadblocks they have managed to engineer a world wide Maori renaissance and have finally been given access to justified funds for historical regressions and unlawful land grabs”

            Uh, huh.

            I don’t dispute the content of your post, nor the aspirations expressed.

            HOWEVER, as Maori are now being allocated (to quote you) “justified funds”, then it seems to me that EVERYONE has a justified right to hold them to account, just as Pakeha leaders were/are, when the stats surrounding Maori are negative compared to the wider population.

            That is what accountability is about.

            So it seems reasonable for those posting here to comment and debate the original premise by Whale Oil, “It is imperative that the many decent leaders in the Maori community put an end to this frightful behaviour. There are no excuses”. After all, it is their tax-payer dollars being spent for the supposed welfare of their fellow citizens and the wider community’s welfare.

            So why exactly are you objecting to their statements, and labeling them “racist”. Or, in line with paternalistic governments of the past, do you regard Maori as infantile, and incapable of being held responsible in the same way as Pakeha.

            Just putting it out there…

          • Dick Brown

            There are just as accountable as anyone else Kimbo; that’s what the Companies Office, any number of Ombudsmans, the Police, Council’s and any number of legislative Laws that govern the correct running of a business or taxpayer funds.

            It’s a bit rich advocating a separate, adversarial system of Maori accountability when there are already systems in place.

            Don’t you think?

          • Dick Brown

            I can only therefore assume that there are more reasons to play here than simply the supposed need for intervention on some basis that Maori need more control over than say, the Lotteries Commission.

          • Kimbo

            No, no, Dick Brown. I think you have (inadvertently) obfuscated.

            The issue is what are Maori leaders doing to stop the appalling social stats surrounding Maori, which, as per your argument above, they have received justifiable funds to address.

            Citing the companies office, ombudsman, police, etc as a form of accountability misses the point. This thread is not about illegal governance – it is about appalling OUTCOMES, such as Thomas Tamatea Ariki-Nui McGregor murdering his daughter Hinekawa Topia. Remember, we were told these sort of outrages were a manifestation of Pakeha colonial injustice, so we should release the funds to Maori to IMPROVE the outcomes.

            Doesn’t look like that is happening, certainly not in this instance and in many other high profile cases.

            Which means that Maori leaders, just like anyone else who pocket public funds, and fail to deliver promised outcomes are fair game – just like everyone else who has the disinfectant of sunlight shone on them, be they black, white, brown, brindle, the Auckland mayor, Maori leaders, whoever. Which is what the Whale Oil community, whose comments you taken umbrage at exists to do

            From what I can see Maori are being treated equally here, and no one is arguing (to quote you again) “advocating a separate adversarial system of Maori accountability”. Quite the opposite, except maybe for you, and that possibility of latent colonial paternalism…

            Don’t you think?

            Edited for grammar

          • Dick Brown

            That’s fine Kimbo I see where you are coming from but all you have to do is replace ‘Maori’ in your post with ‘Pakeha’ and it still rings true.

            Maybe I’m sore at the fact that reasoned debate such as we have now has to go through what to me is the filter of casual throwaway lines that perpetuate the myths that all Maori are closet child killers and dole bludgers and their leaders aren’t doing anything about it.

          • Dick Brown

            They are not and they are; just not 100% of them. They are just like us!

          • williamabong

            Better than 50, and bought up amongst real Maori not the born again troughers you seem so keen to idolize.
            As long as Maori are represented by the troughers the underclass amongst them will continue to murder, rape, rob, assault, and steal their way through their miserable lives, and your solution is……………

          • Dave

            Prove me wrong Dick Brown, do some research and call me out with FACTS on this statement I will make. Sure, i am making it without reference to stats, but it remains TRUE,

            Maori, have a much much higher rate of killing or seriously injuring their kids than non maori. FOr good measure, Maori make up a disproportionate amount of prison inmates than europeans on a population basis.

            Both of the above are true Dick, Im not trying to rub it in, but trying to get you to see. As long as Maori turn their back on this and work on intergenerational change and education, intervention on parenting etc, they wont change.

            That change MUST come from within Maori Dick, Once were warriors, now mostly violent thugs.

          • williamabong

            Right on, time someone called the so called Maori elite out on this, they seem to have no problem taking the money to solve the problem they just seem to come up short on delivering the solutions, perhaps they haven’t noticed the problem yet, maybe they will when one of these inbreds murder a child in the Koru Lounge at Wellington airport.

          • Dick Brown

            Holy fucking shit are you for real?

            How can you actively function as a human being with such a shit attitude.

          • Agent BallSack

            Topic, Ball. Troll Not!

          • Dick Brown

            I would love to hear from an outsider to this enlightening conversation between intellectual superpowers

          • Dick Brown

            Because this is classic internet butthurt; I know, I’ve duked it out with far more intelligent people than you guys.

          • Agent BallSack

            If what you’re showing in your posts is the overall quality of your argument then your final 3 words on that statement should be “And I lost”

          • Dick Brown

            See, this is how it goes:

            ME: statement.

            YOU: Trolololol Wake up!

            ME: staement, this time with sources.

            YOU: Trololololol UR A CUNT

            ME: statement

            YOU: BLARGFHGKDFEBVOJDWSID!!!

          • Dick Brown

            You try and be smart and erudite on this forum but when you get called out and you LOSE you get all defensive and abusive.

            It’s so common it’s frightening

          • Agent BallSack

            Where have I become defensive and abusive? Youre making multiple posts in reply to yourself.

          • Mr_Blobby

            I make no excuse for being abusive.

            The only thing worse than a Troll is a troughing Troll.

            Now fuck off.

          • Agent BallSack

            No.

            YOU: inflammatory statement
            ME: WTF?
            YOU: Make up some shit totally not related to the topic
            ME: Stay on topic
            YOU: Throw toys and act like an asshole
            ME: Okay…..
            YOU: Banned

          • Dick Brown

            Banned you say.

            By a recommendation from you assholes?

            That I’d like to see.

          • Mr_Blobby

            True if you want to be banned go over to the stranded.

            We like to play with our food for a while.

          • Agent BallSack

            Do you always get drunk at 9am in the morning?

          • tarkwin

            I was in the pub at 9am this morning.

          • williamabong

            Is this your way of telling us you lost and still learned nothing from the experience.

          • Dave

            Dick – please see my statements above, prove me wrong. Do the research, find solid stats to prove me wrong. Whilst your at it, please LIST 3 or 4 very senior leaders of Maori who are publicly decrying maori violence or maori killing their kids.

            I cant recall one unfortunately, but your welcome to prove me wrong.

          • williamabong

            Knowing there are fucktards like you out there with single figure IQs helps me, I rise every morning in the firm belief the world needs saving from wankers like you.

          • Dick Brown

            Ok guys let’s do this.

            To prove a point that I am wrong and you are right.

            I want everyone who disagrees with my position to report my posts and request my banning.

            Do it.

          • Dick Brown

            I think you’ll find any mod who sees what’s going on will have zero sympathy for you.

          • Mr_Blobby

            Hay Dick Head why do you reply to yourself.

          • Yep I’ve seen what’s going on here, and might I suggest you down size your shovel and intelligently engage the debate, rather than aggressively attacking long time regular readers here.

          • Dick Brown

            I would suggest you go back and re-evaluate whom escalated the argument to what it is now. I cannot be responsible for other people’s actions [a Right tenet if ever there was one] so what you are saying is I am to tone down my argument because they upset people who click ‘report post’ when their views are put to the test.

            Interesting

          • Agent BallSack

            You cant give offense, you can only take it. Waaaaaah someone said something on the internet I disagree with. Keyboard Warrior mode INITIATED. Where is your argument?

          • Dave

            Dick. IM not a mod, but am a long time WO reader and poster. Mate, the real beauty of WO, is not only the posts by the Whale, his team etc, but the others comments, which add to the original post, and clarify the nations views on the topic they are debating. Here, several people, myself included have given you the opportunity to CORRECT us with FACTS, or good reasoned debate, that is backed up by PROPER quotes or references. The mentions of Kosh/Paul/GayGuy are, as he/she, just like you DONT ANSWER or provide facts to justify their one liners.

            As others have said, disengage, go back to where you have been called out, and arm yourself with some FACTS, Stats, proven articles supporting your debate, or stop adding fuel to the fire.

            Example – i had to correct a post yesterday, it could have been misleading to the honorable Steve Crow, I apologized, and corrected it (slightly) in a subsequant post.

          • Dick Brown

            lol no.

          • Im not here to debate what I said, suffice to say you will be watched to see how you go about debating future threads. If your comments are constantly detracting from the debate, off topic, and setting about to disrupt/agitate, then we are going to have problems here.

          • Dick Brown

            whatever napoleon.

          • We have several commenters for several years here that don’t conform to the popular opinion of everyone else and offer an opposing logical reasoned debate without descending into the behaviour of a petulant teenager. It’s up to you, participate, or orchestrate your own downfall.

          • Agent BallSack

            :)

          • Agent BallSack

            No one cares. The only person who is coming across as a narrrow minded bigot with no argument or substance is you. Do keep up, dear.

          • Dick Brown

            Then why post such vehement abusive and violent garbage both to me and Maori?

          • Agent BallSack

            Yes. I challenge you to find one post that I have abused Maori in? I have a Maori wife and kids, so I guess that makes me racist? As for you I engaged you in conversation, no where have I abused you. Click on my name and check my posts.

          • Dick Brown

            You go into bat for racists so you are just as bad and you know it.

          • Agent BallSack

            Can’t do it can you? I asked you a question on religion and havent even brought Maori into it.

          • Dick Brown

            Because your questions are shit and irrelevant can’t you see that?

          • Agent BallSack

            That’s the sort of intelligent response I would expect from you given the substance of your previous posts. Boohoo some retard on the internet said my comments are full of shit. Yawn. Up your game Dick.

          • jaundiced

            Dick – just walk away. I’m y a long time reader and supporter of Whaleoil, anti-labour, anti trougher, but the site also attracts national front type bigots (Toryboy), and if you call them out you get called a troll, or worse a labour supporter. You’re just feeding the frenzy

          • Agent BallSack

            You just dropped in my estimation. Dick is the troll, he has no argument only game. And he lost at that.

          • jaundiced

            Yeah well. I imagine what you guys would be like if we had a conversation in person.
            I’m considered right of Gengis khan, but I get pissed off when someone says something contrary to the flow and gets shouted down in such a way. And in your case suggesting he gets banned.
            I like it here because its not The Standard – lets keep it that way. Although seeing the influx of recent dickheads, I could be persuaded otherwise.

          • Agent BallSack

            I asked him a question. Next thing I was accused of approving Maori bashing, among other things. He is the one that went full retard and started abusing people. Saying to Toryboy I hope youre miserable etc. There was no discussion of whatever ‘point’ he said he was making just flaming.

            Edit:
            You go into bat for racists so you are just as bad and you know it.

            Because your questions are shit and irrelevant can’t you see that?

            Then why post such vehement abusive and violent garbage both to me and Maori?

            Yep, concise clear arguments there.

          • Dick Brown

            Agreed, although I had already made up my mind that this horse is well and truly dead and requires no further flogging.

            Let’s just say several lines in the sand have been drawn from both sides and leave it at that.

          • Agent BallSack

            No, the MOD told you to pull your fucking head in. Because you act like every other troll we get here. You’re not unique or clever or special or anything, did you think you were? Sorry to disabuse you of that notion.

          • Agent BallSack

            Meg? Is that you?

          • Dave

            No, Meg/Paul/Kosh/Teacherscock/GayGuy is more likely to use the avatar BrownDick, not dick brown……

            Sorry, couldn’t resist that one.

          • Dave

            Bit like the crim bashing someone again so they can go inside for more free meals and board.

            Hate to Dissapoint you Dick, but from my observations, the Whale does not ban people for losing a debate.

          • SWG

            Obviously the truth offends you!

          • Dave

            Nope, they would have a special blessing of the lounge, then go on use the lounge and ALL its facilities as normal.

        • SWG

          Clearly you don’t like it here; why stay?

    • GazzW

      It’s a relatively rare occasion Dick but then neither do Asians so don’t pull the race card.

      • Dick Brown

        Fair call GazzW but I didn’t pull the race card first.

        • williamabong

          No you didn’t, but you make a bloody good job of ignoring the elephant in the room, and as long as this happens the problem will never be dealt with.

  • Michael

    Murder and attempted murder on little children = life without parole. End of story Justice Young.

    • James

      Life in solitary confinement, without parole, and only a pre-tied rope and support beam for company.

  • williamabong

    Just another product of the welfare generation, as long as you create an under-class and then pay it and encourage it to breed the problem will exist.
    Serious reforms of the welfare system together with a justice and prison system that ensures jail is a place that scum doesn’t want to return to rather than a 4 star motel will help
    Short on putting a bounty on the heads of some of tyhese arseholes, I can’t see a short term solution, but as sure as god made little green apples the answers don’t lie in the script of the Kim Workmans of the world.

    • Mr_Blobby

      Correction 5 Star. Working on the 6th.

  • Greg Davis

    A reliable product of welfarism.

  • Col

    Same old story, and no one seems to be able to stop it, I have no idea what too do?

    • Mr_Blobby

      Throw more TAX payer money at the problem. Don’t let the fact that it has done nothing, but make the maori elite richer and given jobs to the family, get in the way.

      Or cut off the funding for the thousands of Maori trusts up and down the country, cut off the benefits and tell them to own the problem and come back when they have fixed it themselves.

  • GregM

    This thing has admitted Murdering a baby and injuring another and it gets bail ??
    What the fuck is the judge thinking?

    • williamabong

      The problem is the last two words of your post, judge and thinking, they just don’t fit well together.

      • Mr_Blobby

        How about judge thinking they know best.

        • Dave

          William is stil lcorrect, its still Judge and Thinking together.

          How about, Judge, Crime – Manual – see matrix….. No bail…. 20 years without parole.

          Now fuck off and here is some slippery soap so the inmates don’t hurt you too much on the first day.

  • johnbronkhorst

    Ever get a subject that makes you so mad that even I can’t speak…………………..

  • SWG

    Colonialism, my arse! All this Maori bullshit began when Piggy Muldoon committed two racial crimes in one go: he went out to the pub with those Mongrel Mob thugs, and he allowed unwed mothers and their bastards to collect the DPB; this led to baby farming, demographic warfare, and look at the results of those generations who should never have born in the first place. That fat bully Lange and silver-spoon boy Palmer really fucked NZ when they made that bit of Brit jiggery-pokery, the W Treaty, into a legal contract, and we’ll pay for this forever.
    Lange/Palmer also dropped on us MMP; of course, like everything else, these two #@&%#$% will blame it on Rodger Douglas.

  • Dave

    WO you raise an interesting point “It is imperative that the many decent leaders in the Maori community put an end to this frightful behaviour”.

    I dont believe there are any TRUE LEADERS in the maori community, reasons below.

    Maori do have local leaders who front up, eat up and make nice statements, we have mana, we ….. etc etc. But, for real change to happen, they need some real leadership, one who will call it as it is.

    Perhaps a true leader stating something like ……. Once we had mana, a proud people, we fostered and looked out for, and after each other. We must STOP the crimes against people, and the communities we live in. We cannot be a separate people in the communities. Whilst we need to hold on to our values and our culture, and indeed our sense of Maoridom, this does NOT include violence, dependency and killing our kids.

    Be interested in others views.

    • DLNZ

      The problem these days is that the strength of hapu and iwi (and even whanau) links are not what they used to be. In the days of Dame Whina Cooper, entire communities would unite and would talk about issues facing them. Now a leader almost has to be a political figure or involved in politics to be visible. And as soon as you’re involved in politics, you’re in bed with John Key and the rich pricks – so it kind of defeats the purpose.

      Historical Maori society had a lot of things right – grandparents and kaumatua raised and taught children while parents worked. If you didn’t pull your weight you were disowned by your whanau/hapu and left to rot, there was no running off to the local WINZ – you starved and were cast out into the wilderness. Manaakitanga – love thy neighbour and caring for others. All of that is gone, and needs to come back somehow.

  • GregM

    I wonder what the Maori party has to say about this ? Or the Mana party ? Anything ? I can’;t hear you, can you speak up ?

    • Agent BallSack

      They paid Dick Brown to apologise for them Greg.

      • tarkwin

        Hone will put out a statement on the subject and how it was caused by colonialism as soon as he learns how to write

        • Agent BallSack

          Ahhh yes, John Hatfield. Overseer of the most violent crime family north of the Bombays.

        • Dave

          Tarkwin, we could always arrange to take away colonialism, give them part of northland, remove all cars, houses, power, gas, modern clothes, phones, internet, all implements, cash, WELFARE, Booze, drugs etc, put a huge fence around it to keep them in, and all the Europeans bad influences out.

          Say there you are Hone, we have removed Colonialism that was ruining the lives of Maori, and making them so Dependent.
          Enjoy Hone, this time you can stop whinging about us white fellas ruining everything, we have fixed it for you.

          • Kendall

            And shall hence forth be known as honiland, the land of milk honey and no international airport

          • tarkwin

            The easiest way would be ring fence Kaikohe when Hone’s there. A win win for everyone.

          • Dave

            Yes, i can visualize Honiland, the Harawhira’s screaming at each other, a barbed fence surrounding their patch, slaves looking after them, violence and dissent everywhere, but NO Milk or Honey, they wouldn’t have any white mans cash to nip down to the diary to buy it, in fact no diary / supermarket, where else would they ever get Milk or Honey.

      • SWG

        Good One!!

    • andie3007

      Maori Party and Hone and his Mana Party including the ilks of Margaret Mutu make me sick ..they will all blame this on past injustices resulting in the dispossession and alienation of the Maori people. Fine with all that blah blah crap, but when the Maori perpetrator /dog is raping his child, breaking the kids legs or dropping the infant on its head, the last thing going thru his head is “I’m doing this becos I am a victim of the state and becos of this I am going to hurt this child”. WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT. I think the state needs to bring in the death penalty, one way to fix these fuckers..

  • andie3007

    There is something fundamentally wrong and sick within the Maori society..I have never seen the level of child abuse in any other ethnic group that I have seen among the Maori. Poverty is just a convenient political and socialist excuse. It is appalling the level of apathy and disregard that the so called “Maori leaders” have shown towards this disgustingly increasing trend. Even among Pacifika communities, it is a rare exception to see these sorts of child abuses.

    • Agent BallSack

      Yeah funny that because Pacifika do actually beat their kids. They just dont often do it to death.

      • andie3007

        I am Pasikifa and I DO NOT BEAT MY KIDS, but yes even if some do they do not as you say maim or kill them. I suspect it boils down to the closeness knitness of the Pacific community and the strong role that the church play in their communities and lives, something I think may be missing in the Maori community, despite all the rhetoric of whanau and whenua

        • Agent BallSack

          I am white and I dont beat mine either…Though some days they damn well need it. I agree that church and the morals entrenched have a lot to do with it in the Pasifika community and family is still tight knit.

  • john Doe

    Missed this whole thread due to having access problems…however it is suffice to say that it is normal in the animal kingdom for alpha males to kill their young.

    • Dave

      True, but the civilized races / cultures grew out of that centuries ago. You can take that any way you wish. Hat, head FIT.

      • john Doe

        Yes Dave the civilized races did.

  • andie3007

    Unfortunately no amount of handouts or programs thrown at Maori is going to fix that imbedded sense of entitlement. The Crown gave in to their demands years ago and now we are all reaping successive years of state political compromise. The urban maori have no sense of self respect either for themselves or for others property…their attitude is to take and take. When foreigners migrate to NZ that is the first impression they get. Maori is over represented in Crime, unemployment, educational achievement etc. This is from government;s own stats. The issue is why? Looking at the total lack of social or individual responsibility demonstrated by this mutt and that Jewels Woodward, who totally trashed her rental property (why am I not surprised she is Maori), I am not surprised that there is a growing lack of sympathy, tolerance and support towards the Maori.

    • john Doe

      Nothing more to add. Well said. The solution?

      • andie3007

        an end to TOW settlements…almost 200 years after the fact , we are are still paying for injustices of the past. When and where do we draw the line. Good thing that the Treaty Settlements Office will not accept any new new claims!!. Remove affirmative action based on ethnicity. Affirmative action should be based on socioeconomic parameters. Will be interesting to see what % of Maori are 100 % and what % are mixed. I find the mixed breed bleat the loudest in defense of their entitlement. The “more pekeha” they look, the shriller their demands in support of Maoridorm.

  • WABloke

    To point out facts is apparently racist. With the deafening silence of Maori elders/leaders/elite we can only assume they condone such behaviour. With Maoridom supposedly worth $33b it’s not like there’s a shortage of their own funds for whatever ‘help’ these individuals might need, be it psychological or practical. Maori constantly blame the Europeans and prattle on about how European ways of doing things are not in keeping with Maori traditions etc etc ad infinitum but I don’t see them coming up with any solutions regardless of mow much funding said Europeans throw at them. It’s not normal to beat children to death regardless of your skin colour, although having said that there is evidence to suggest that Maori did in fact kill and eat children, as well as adults, back in the day but we’re not supposed to confront that skeleton. No pun intended.

    As for the judges…..give me strength.

    • andie3007

      Funny thing, one particular Maori lawyer and academic Moana Jackson has been particularly shrill about maori being tried under their own maori customary justice system ” because the white man’;s system was failing the maori because it did not understand the cultural and spiritual bases of the Maori ethos. When asked by the presiding judge where and how this maori customary court would work, Jackson, conceded that at present that such a system did not exist, and that it was an aspiration goal. So bluntly putting it, no point in aspiring to adopt a “so called customary justice system” that is a figment of some deluded academics imagination, and the court rightly dismissed the sorry attempts to create a separate system of justice.! Imagine.people like this Mutt would be getting off scott free just by pleading some form of cultural and spiritual defense!

      • WABloke

        “one particular Maori lawyer and academic Moana Jackson” hahahahahahahahhahahahhahahaha

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