And you want to put this at risk?

The economy is growing strongly.

Why would anyone contemplate putting all that at risk by voting for a lurch to the hard left of Labour in coalition with the even harder left of the Greens. Their policies are anti-growth and anti-economy.

New Zealand will rank among the strongest-growing of the advanced economies this year and next year, according to the International Monetary Fund’s annual World Economic Outlook.

It forecasts New Zealand’s growth rate this year to be 2.5 per cent, bettered among the 35 advanced economies only by Israel, Singapore, Hong Kong and Korea. The average for advanced economies in 2013 is just 1.2 per cent. 

The IMF expected the growth rate to pick up to 2.9 per cent next year, exceeded only by the same four and Taiwan, and outperforming the advanced economy average of 2 per cent.

New Zealand also looked relatively good on the fiscal front, with a general government deficit of 0.4 per cent of gross domestic product over 2014, compared with an average deficit of 3.5 per cent for the advanced economies as a whole.

Next year’s unemployment rate of 5.3 per cent was not as bad as the 12.2 per cent projected for the euro area, 7.4 per cent for the United States or even Australia’s 6 per cent.

 


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  • Alloytoo

    So, given all this good news, naturally it’s time for change.

    I haven’t seen one single policy from the left that would cost less, or for that matter work.

    • Polish Pride

      I’ve given a policy on here many times that would cost less, give you more and mean you no longer have anyone taking your earnings because their policies are based around wealth redistribution. Its called switching to a Resource Based Economy.

      • mark.s

        How exactly are resources allocated in this type of economy?

        • Bunswalla

          Oh please, for the love of god, don’t! Stand by for pages of soundly-reasoned, well-thought out complete dribble. Don’t say you weren’t warned.

          • mark.s

            Ha sorry about that =)

          • cows4me

            “you no longer have anyone taking your earnings”, yes and I’m the queen mother.

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            Look how absolutely right you were, Buns. Jesus wept.

          • Polish Pride

            soundly-reasoned, well-thought out
            Ahhh Buns that’s high praise coming from you
            You warm the cockles of me heart. ;)

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            You missed the important part, which can be summarised as ‘absolute twaddle’ ;-).

          • Polish Pride

            Yeah perhaps but that is the first possible compliment ever from Buns towards me so I’m gonna take it all the same.

        • Polish Pride

          It uses Science, technology and automation to manufacture. Its not utopia as there will be plenty of jobs that can’t be automated yet but a large percentage can be done away with straight away (all finance sector roles for example).
          Resources would be allocated using scientific computer modeling and software
          Unlike as is taught by other economic systems, we have an abundance of resources and with the monetary cost of recycling removed we have even more available.
          Remove the profit motive and planned obsolescence and you can have products that are well designed and last.
          At a product level things would operate similarly to how they do now. You want groceries you go to the supermarket and put them through a self serve checkout. The items are scanned and the stock taken is reordered. No need to pay though.
          After all when you break it right down you don’t actually need money. you need (or want) the things that money can buy in the current system.
          Money was originally a mechanism for exchange. It has unfortunately become a barrier to achieving what we want and need even at a societal level.
          Think about what is required to fix the traffic in Auckland. The resources exist, The knowledge of how to do it exists. What stops us? The money it takes to do it.
          Under RBE this is no longer a barrier.

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            Again, Polish, tell us how you’re coping without using a universally transferrable system of value? Do you take into account greed, vanity and pride while selecting your groceries? Do you understand that I like feeling better than the bogans and know that I am worse than the Herne Bay socialists, yet aspire to their gracious lives?

            Yeah. Thought so. You’ll tell us to abandon money, but won’t do it yourself first. That’s what my banker mate tried to tell me, too. Unfortunately, he never could get very far in his impassioned arguments, because of the deep inherent hypocrisy of telling us to do something that you yourself will not.

          • Polish Pride

            Then you weren’t listening. He was trying to tell you that we need to change the system. Have you considered why it is that you are so emotionally attached to the current one?

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            Because it works for me. The harder I work, the greater my rewards. Why should I seek to subvert that? I also notice that anyone who is prepared to apply themselves, tends to elevate themselves while contributing to society. I’d have to be mad to seek a social experiment the likes of which you’re suggesting, from the comfort of running a business and having a Mrs to pay for your needs (I’m still training mine up. Capricious beast she is!)

          • mark.s

            You understand what you are describing is essentially communism with a computer making the decisions instead of a committee of bureaucrats right?

          • Polish Pride

            There are many differences between Communism and RBE in fact in a number of Key areas Capitalism has more in common with Communism, after all both are run by committees of bureaucrats. Both need people to work for the system continuously in order to survive.
            RBE has bugger all bureaucrats and works for the people unlike both Capitalism and Communism
            RBE uses a capitalist model of distribution (until more efficient ones are developed). So I wouldn’t write it off so quickly. We are after all talking about the system that mankind lives under and therefore all examples will have commonality in areas if you look hard enough.

          • mark.s

            I think you are confusing Fascism with Capitalism and confusing what we have now as Capitalism. We have central banks that fix interest rates the same way the soviets price bread, via unelected bureaucrat, and since money and the price of money (interest rates) makes up half of 98% of transactions (barter excluded) by definition we don’t have free market capitalism.

            If you have no price component you cease to have a capitalist distribution model or a production model for that matter. All that you would have is a computer trying to predict everyones needs let alone wants. Considering we cant even predict the weather more than a few days out, and even that is pretty inaccurate, how on earth would it predict something as complex as the economy as a whole days, weeks, months and years into the future. Especially when weather is one of the variables!

            I have watched and read a lot about the Zeitgeist movement which sounds almost identical to what you are proposing and to be honest it is just a load of bullshit thought up by diss-effected wannabe revolutionaries who really think they know how the world/economics works. They honestly beleive they have come up with a new more compassionate system but unfortunatly it is just a slightly different flavour of the old hammer and sickle icecream.

          • Polish Pride

            The computer doesn’t need to predict anything. People would load their requirements into the system online which would then kick off the ordering process. In fact if you were to attempt to use the system for long term planning on day to day items it RBE would be a dismal failure. In fact this is why communism failed. Planning is fine, even Capitalism has planning but it is short term and RBE follows the same model because that part has been shown to work.
            I would agree with you that we don’t have pure Capitalism but what people need to understand is that under the current system you are never going to get it and I mean never.
            Capitalism and socialism are two opposing ideaologies and when you add the political system into the mix this is where you get stuck (as we are in the left vs Right paradigm. The fact is that there are always going to be people that think society should be about looking after one another. Those people will ALWAYS vote for socialist policies. There are those that will ALWAYS vote for free market solutions (although there are many weaknesses in a system driven solely by the profit motive which is what you will inevitably get). The point is you will ALWAYS end up with a system made up of a mix of Socialism and Capitalism. You will then as we do now only ever shift a couple of degrees to the Left and then a few degrees to the right and so on. The only thing you can be certain of is that both work on a wealth redistribution model and therefore will always want to take from one group in society to line the pockets of another.
            The point is that although you can look at Pure Capitalism and go if we just did this eventually all the problems would be solved (I don’t think they will, you only need to look at war profiteers and Bankers to see this won’t be the case).
            RBE is the only system that deals with what both sides want and does so without requiring people to endlessly work for the system nor does it require wealth redistribution. Instead it simply relies on and focusses on meeting the needs and wants of the people in a given society and puts in place mechanisms to enable this.
            Think about it from this point of view also. What is the most important thing in your life and to illustrate the point lets say a long lost relative was a multi billionaire and left all his money to you. So that’s the scenario. Is the most important thing for you, Work, Family, Friends or something else.
            RBE recognizes the importants of friends and family and puts in place a model that allows greater time for this.
            Because you don’t need to work, are you simply going to sit around on the couch all day watching TV? I doubt it. There will be many things you will be interested in that you simply haven’t had the time for. RBE gives you both the time and the resources for those also.
            Lastly there is contribution to society. Many people if they no longer need to earn money to survive will naturally gravitate toward a role in society that will be useful. For areas where there are shortages there will be more than enough people to do those roles and happily as they will only need to work 2-3 days a week max.
            In my situation I can earn a significant sum via IT contracting and have a business that operates in all the main centres. Why do I do this because Money is key in the society we have currently. Do I help people in society with what I do. Not really. Under RBE I’d be an Accupunturist or Teach. I’d also surf, snowboard, wakeboard and learn a musical instrument and become an inventor. I’d also be uber passionate about those things. The people who would often be the best in a particular role in our current society often are not in those roles. This is simply because they can earn far more elsewhere. Take away this need to earn to survive and be comfortable and society will thrive at all levels.

            That was the sort of long post Buns was warning you about earlier ;)

          • Polish Pride

            The computer doesn’t need to predict anything. People would load their requirements into the system online which would then kick off the ordering process. In fact if you were to attempt to use the system for long term planning on day to day items it RBE would be a dismal failure. In fact this is why communism failed. Planning is fine, even Capitalism has planning but it is short term and RBE follows the same model because that part has been shown to work.
            I would agree with you that we don’t have pure Capitalism but what people need to understand is that under the current system you are never going to get it and I mean never.
            Capitalism and socialism are two opposing ideaologies and when you add the political system into the mix this is where you get stuck (as we are in the left vs Right paradigm. The fact is that there are always going to be people that think society should be about looking after one another. Those people will ALWAYS vote for socialist policies. There are those that will ALWAYS vote for free market solutions (although there are many weaknesses in a system driven solely by the profit motive which is what you will inevitably get). The point is you will ALWAYS end up with a system made up of a mix of Socialism and Capitalism. You will then as we do now only ever shift a couple of degrees to the Left and then a few degrees to the right and so on. The only thing you can be certain of is that both work on a wealth redistribution model and therefore will always want to take from one group in society to line the pockets of another.
            The point is that although you can look at Pure Capitalism and go if we just did this eventually all the problems would be solved (I don’t think they will, you only need to look at war profiteers and Bankers to see this won’t be the case).
            RBE is the only system that deals with what both sides want and does so without requiring people to endlessly work for the system nor does it require wealth redistribution. Instead it simply relies on and focusses on meeting the needs and wants of the people in a given society and puts in place mechanisms to enable this.
            Think about it from this point of view also. What is the most important thing in your life and to illustrate the point lets say a long lost relative was a multi billionaire and left all his money to you. So that’s the scenario. Is the most important thing for you, Work, Family, Friends or something else.
            RBE recognizes the importants of friends and family and puts in place a model that allows greater time for this.
            Because you don’t need to work, are you simply going to sit around on the couch all day watching TV? I doubt it. There will be many things you will be interested in that you simply haven’t had the time for. RBE gives you both the time and the resources for those also.
            Lastly there is contribution to society. Many people if they no longer need to earn money to survive will naturally gravitate toward a role in society that will be useful. For areas where there are shortages there will be more than enough people to do those roles and happily as they will only need to work 2-3 days a week max.
            In my situation I can earn a significant sum via IT contracting and have a business that operates in all the main centres. Why do I do this because Money is key in the society we have currently. Do I help people in society with what I do. Not really. Under RBE I’d be an Accupunturist or Teach. I’d also surf, snowboard, wakeboard and learn a musical instrument and become an inventor. I’d also be uber passionate about those things. The people who would often be the best in a particular role in our current society often are not in those roles. This is simply because they can earn far more elsewhere. Take away this need to earn to survive and be comfortable and society will thrive at all levels.

            That was the sort of long post Buns was warning you about earlier ;)

        • OhopeBeachBugger

          ‘From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs’.

          We all know how that goes. Well, almost all of us do….

      • OhopeBeachBugger

        What absolute twaddle.

        • Polish Pride

          Based on……..? have you actually had a proper good hard look at the resource based economy concept? No? Thought as much. It is the most natural system for mankind and is built directly based on the needs and wants of all human beings in the same way that any good well designed system should be. I ought to know I have been doing requirements for and designing systems for over twenty years. So it is about as far away from absolute twaddle as you can get.
          Let me give you an example of absolute twaddle just for future reference. Capitalism is the best system we can have.

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            As a matter of fact, I have had a good hard look at this, because I have a mate who is a banker, of all things, who passionately tried to convince me that money is the problem and we should be moving to a RBE. So I read into it and realised what absolute twaddle it is. For someone who should know, you are astoundingly naive and just like classic communism, the one thing you utterly fail to take into account in your careful planning of this particular system, is human nature. Don’t for an instant think everyone has the same values and morals that you, or any of the commentators on this forum for that matter, do. Human nature is base, vile, and despicable. It depends on incentive and reward to achieve anything. No other system can do this better than capitalism; how do we know? Well, we’ve been around for more than a few days (though it does sometimes seem idealists like yourself were born yesterday).

          • Polish Pride

            RBE takes human nature into account. In fact it is the only system that does so properly. That’s why solutions and resource allocation are done using computers and science.

            Human Nature is vile and despicable correct…….in a system that rewards that which Capitalism does.

            Human nature under another system is a whole different beast altogether and can be proven as such.

            It depends on incentive and reward to achieve anything.
            Again because that is the nature of Capitalism.
            Look back throughout history pre capitalism and you will find the greatest advancements throughout human history have come from men (and woman) who were passionate about what they were doing. It had nothing to do with money.
            Henry Ford
            The Wright Brothers
            Leonardo Davincii
            Nikoli Tesla
            etc. etc.
            We have been around for a few days and it always astounds me the number of people who don’t seem to be aware of any achievements throughout history other than through Capitalism.
            I appreciate the fact that you unlike many have at least taken the time to have a look. RBE has been designed from the ground up with mankind in mind. The solutions to most things including the ones you have mentioned are there.
            Not sure how good a friend he is, but he is right (and it is able to be proven at least in theory). I’d say take another look for your friends benefit if nothing else.

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            Bro, I think you should read ‘Lord of the Flies’, the William Golding classic. No money there.
            I think you will find that Henry Ford, the famous anti-semite, was pretty well off and put all his innovation into making money. RBE and anti semitism…how would you account for the hate that arises which seems contrary to us all being One Big Happy Family?
            So too the Wright Brothers.
            So too Leonardo da vinci.
            Tesla took some strain, because he didn’t commercialise successfully. Tell me why he was patenting, by the way? Rather leaves a hole in the ‘altruistic scientist’ bit.

          • Polish Pride

            it is the intent behind it that is key. If they had money it enabled them to do the things that they did. Had they not had the money but still had the resources and time available would they have done them. Yes. Why? Passion.
            As for Tesla patenting – such is the system. He developed free energy for the world but on realizing that it couldn’t be profited from pulled the funding. Made a couple of calls, equipment destroyed, workshop torched (from memory)

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            PS look a little more closely and you will probably find that the greatest advances humanity ever made revolve around something that has nothing to do with money: convenience and comfort. That is what drives us. And…hey presto…money = convenience and comfort. What did Wemmick, the character in Dickens’ ‘Great Expectations’ call it? Ah yes. Portable property, Mr. Pip. Portable property.

          • Polish Pride

            “convenience and comfort.”
            Those two things have RBE written all over them.

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            Capitalism says you get your convenience and comfort in exchange for applying yourself. Seems a fair trade.

          • Polish Pride

            The same holds true to a degree under RBE only you work less and get more time doing the things you really want to be doing.

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            Does it actually work, though? Examples please…

          • Polish Pride

            Best example I can give you is that under our current system I’ve had a twenty year career being a key part of projects that automate jobs performed by people in both the public and the private sector. Those people in turn get made redundant.
            So we have the technology to implement and disestablish the role that a person or group of people were doing.
            The problem is that under the current system, despite society no longer needing the role to be performed by a person, those affected people have to retrain and find another job elsewhere in society in order to survive.
            I have a friend working on an online project for a very well known company right now that will disestablish around 1000 roles around the country.
            Coming technology in the industry that I am in has the ability to disestablish several thousand roles and significantly increase my bottom line in doing so. But that’s several thousand people that will need to either retrain or go on a benefit in order to survive.
            We will have two choices as I see it in the coming future.
            Move to Fascism or Move to RBE

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            I wasn’t asking for an example of how technology can make redundant people doing repetitive, low value tasks (the industrial revolution did a fair bit of that, and that was hundreds of years ago). So, not much of an example, mate, sorry to say. Probably best to leave it there and wish you well in overthrowing the evil system (which has evidently done so well for you!)

          • Polish Pride

            Fair enough and I knew what you were asking. The Evil system has taught me what is truly important in life. A lesson I see many are still to learn.

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            I assume, of course, that you don’t use money, Polish?

          • Polish Pride

            I unfortunately still live and therefore have to work with the system we have until it is changed.

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            Commit yourself, matey. Show us the way.

          • Polish Pride

            Well I have been working for free since feb but then given Its my business and the other half pays the bills I sort of feel its cheating just a wee bit. ;)

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            Naughty chap! I hope you still find some way to pay for your beers? I’d buy one for you happily (using hard cash, of course), because I’ll bet that like my mate, you have all the best of intentions. However, we know where those intentions lead, in the classics…

      • Alloytoo

        sounds like communism to me, never worked.

        • Polish Pride

          Nope not Communism. Far from it. RBE Doesn’t have a big central Govt if it has central govt at all. It also has the goal of actively using automation, technology and science to both free man from having to work wherever possible. It also uses science and technological solutions to solve the problems that society faces.

      • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

        You mean restoring social justice as the she best mentioned once?

      • OhopeBeachBugger

        Check the lunacy contained in these few sentences: “A resource-based economy is a society without money, barter or trade, with the awareness that Humanity is One family and where technology, science and spirituality is used to it’s fullest to develop and manage the planet’s resources to provide abundance for everyone in the most sustainable way.”

        That will motivate NOBODY to do ANYTHING. It’s communism all dressed up for the new millennium, but the eventual outcome is drearily predictable.

        • Polish Pride

          Wrong on so many levels but then there will be those like yourself that without a paycheck will struggle to pull themselves off the couch to even clean up the packets of chippies, empty beer bottles and pizza boxes. Then there are the rest of us that do what it is we are passionate about or interested in.
          How would that bode for society?
          The greatest inventions and advances throughout human history have come about through passion not via the pursuit of money.
          As for communism – far from it. In fact Communism is closer to capitalism on many levels than RBE. Both Communism and Capitalism have large central Govts. They both require maximum people working in order for the system to continue to function.
          RBE very small central govt if any at all. Uses science, technology and automation to actively disestablish roles that need to be performed by man and uses the same approach to solve the problems facing society.
          Using Maslows Hierarchy of Needs, compare Capitalism, Communism and RBE. Two of these systems fail dismally at even providing just the bottom level. RBE enables all.
          So a system using science and technology to solve our problems? or Politicians and other idiots. Hows that working out for us so far….. War.. yep still got it. Significant crime stats….check. Poverty, check.
          And you call RBE Lunacy. I’d hate to think what that would make Capitalism.

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            What absolute twaddle.

  • fecnde

    Why? Well I’m considering it to reduce the likelihood of TPP.

    I’ll hate myself for voting that way, but more worried about Key turning over our sovereignty – its a real thing.

    • mike

      TPP and other free trade deals are good for our economy, don’t believe all the scare mongering. I’m pretty sure the same crowd were saying that the China FTA was going to ruin us and it’s turned out as a huge boon to NZ.

      • ConwayCaptain

        They did. Kelsey and all the fellow travellers.

      • fecnde

        The china fta doesn’t give companies the right to sue our government for passing laws that the company doesn’t like. The leaks I’ve seen would have me choosing a green/labour led poverty in preference to TPP.

      • Polish Pride

        The Chinese were never looking to give Corporations the ability to sue our Govt (R Or L) for any legislative changes Our government made in the best interests of New Zealanders that had an impact on their profit.

        Example New Zealand Decides to have foods with GMOs labeled, Monsanto gets to sue the govt (read tax payer because we’ll be the ones doing the paying for both the lawyers to fight the lawsuit and then in terms of compensation when they win) for lost revenue.

        • mike

          Can you show me where in the TPPA it says that corporations have that right? Oh wait you can’t because nobody but the people in the negotiations know whats on the table… and since nothing has been signed or agreed upon you are doubly wrong.

          • Polish Pride

            So you’d rather wait till after its all signed and complain about it then. Yeah, I’m sure they’ll change it for you then. What was I thinking.

          • mike

            My point is this, nobody knows whats in the trade agreement so why speculate or spread rumours?

            Also it pays to remember that if something can be used against us then we could use it against someone else, trade agreements are two way streets. Everything is quid pro quo.

    • Col

      May as vote that way, why not?
      Puts you in the group of dummies.
      It is still there, can’t take it away, 51%/49%?
      And I see the power company wants to buy back $50million of shares?

    • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

      yeah fecnde – when the she beast signed the trade deal with China, she handed over our sovereignty to China. Get out of the sewer and come and stand in the sun to get disinfected.

      • fecnde

        I don’t have any problem at all with china FTA. Totally different.

  • DLNZ

    Of course Campbell Live wont be shouting this latest news from the rooftops.

    • OT Richter

      He will use to prove the widening gap between the have and have-nots, forgetting that he is a have (in more ways than 1).

    • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

      Garden gnome can’t identify growth if he sees one….

      • James Howlett

        I see what you did there.

      • Cremster

        Nice one

  • Jman

    This kind of information needs to be out there for the general public. I doubt TV3 or TVNZ will do a story on this, unless they can find some way to spin it negatively.

  • nudgy

    Bet Campbell Live focuses on our poor current account deficit which is bottom of the class unfortunately.

  • “It forecasts New Zealand’s growth rate this year to be 2.5 per cent, bettered among the 35 advanced economies only by Israel, Singapore, Hong Kong and Korea. The average for advanced economies in 2013 is just 1.2 per cent.”
    Did the Herald catch a scoop on the re-unification of North and South Korea? Or were their editors asleep again?

    • Bunswalla

      In this case, surprisingly, no. When you mention “advanced economies” and Korea in the same sentence, everybody on the planet knows which one you’re talking about.

      • I suppose you have a point (and it is a good one) but still you don’t want to be giving Gareth Morgan anything he could use to show how wonderful North Korea is.

        • Bunswalla

          True dat

  • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

    Sorry Whale Bro – This report is not endorsed by Ganesh Nana. How can this be authentic?

  • sweetd

    Very good to have Bill English and John Key leading NZ Inc. After the aborted nat leadership under Bill, its great to see he has found his place to use his talents.

    • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

      Exactly like my master Cullen did under She Beast’s leadership…..

  • johnbronkhorst

    That’s it, I’m changing my name to…Nostrodamis!!

    April 21st 2013 I wrote this here, I kept it to see how close I would get.

    Progressively, over the next year, unemployment will come
    down to perhaps below 6%, our govt. budget will balance, hospital waiting lists
    will continue to shrink and waiting times reduce, crime will continue to fall,
    road toll too, moody’s will upgrade our debt status keeping interest rates low
    and inflation low, economic growth will trend toward 4%pa, real after tax wages
    will grow by about 3-5%. balance of payments will be in surplus, the countries
    endebtedness will fall …all on the positive side of the ledger.

    Labour/greens bribes will be exposed as the ridiculous scam
    that they are. Showing that even if they had the effect that they say, other
    parts of the economy will be detrimentally effected as to make the over all
    impact negative on the lives of NZers.

    It’s a long way to the election!!! All National have to do
    is point out the above as it comes to pass.
    I may have underestimated the Key/English economic talent!

    • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

      But the problem is John Key and English are in deep slumber and I have never seen John Key having a dig at opposition once. They are too timid to do anything honestly.

      • About the first time I have ever agreed with you SCS

      • johnbronkhorst

        Enough rope has not yet been handed out, for the sufficient hanging of the said cunliffe.
        He (cunliffe) is making more and more outlandish promises, he is also complicating those promises with conditions.
        first rule of lying (and politics)….keep the bull shit stories simple and uncomplicated……so YOU can remember them!

  • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

    Here is what people think of Curryleaf’s plans….snap shot as at 2:48 PM

  • CheesyEarWax

    WO, don’t you know? A growing economy means more jobs, which means more temporary and casual jobs, which means creating more vulnerable workers. That’s not good.

  • cows4me

    Mr WO you preach to the converted, it’s the criminally insane and entitled that need saving.

  • cows4me

    Mr WO you preach to the converted, it’s the criminally insane and entitled that need saving.

  • sheppy

    #HEYCLINT what did you say earlier this week about the NZ economy not growing?

  • David

    Yes, we are doing well and will continue to improve under Key. But all this is in jeopardy because many will be swayed by election bribes and Cunliffe and co are well ahead on the bribe stakes at the moment.

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