How is Winston going to run this?

The problem in Western Societies where we have bred generations of bludgers who have spent a lifetime mooching off of the government for everything from their income to the housing is that they stay put in the house the taxpayers provided them and they aren’t dying fast enough.

A contributing factors is all the do-gooders who stopped people smoking and drinking themselves into oblivion.

As a consequence people live longer and create an ever increasing burden on the state, especially for things like housing. Perhaps it is time to re-open asylums for old people.

Old people and immigrants are forcing the Government to relax planning rules and allow more houses to be built on the greenbelt, Nick Boles has said.

The planning minister singled out the rise of four-generation families for an “intense” housing crisis, saying a rapidly-ageing population was putting greater pressure on the housing market than mass immigration.  

Mr Boles, speaking at a Westminster Hall debate in Parliament, faced a major backlash from Tory MPs who warned the party was haemorrhaging votes after creating “planning anarchy” that would “destroy our open countryside”.

But Mr Boles said the new targets for land supply for housing imposed on councils are too low, and said there are no longer enough brownfield sites to meet demand.

Southern England and some northern towns face an intense “housing crisis” that has left children in overcrowded homes and two-thirds of first time buyers relying on help from wealthy parents, Mr Boles said.

“Our population has grown and we have not built enough houses to keep pace with it.

“One source absolutely, that is contentious in this House and elsewhere, has been immigration, which was uncontrolled for a very long period of time,” Mr Boles said. “But it’s important to remember the majority of that population growth, has not been as a result of immigration. The majority of that growth, about two thirds, has been as a result of ageing.

“How many people now are part of families in which four generations are alive? Quite a lot of people. It used to be very rare that there was a great grandparent or a great-grandchild in family. It is now very common because people are living longer and they don’t all want to live in the same house.”


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  • Chancey

    cheeky old buggers living too long – impose a bedroom tax, put them on the liverpool care pathway

  • Toryboy

    It is not that they are living too long, it is that they get pensions and other assistance from the State for that period.
    If they had bothered to save and invest during their youth they could live as long as they like on a self funded retirement.

    • Chancey

      sadly that is not the reality for a lot of people, the rules have changed during their long lives, income disparity is not a result of not working hard enough ref: CCO bosses on $800k per year when someone on $50k could stuff things up just as royally ( also the uk is now as a result of the EU membership paying these benefits to new arrivals who have not contributed,

    • GazzW

      Sadly Toryboy that isn’t the reality. I’m lucky, I did OK in life and have few financial concerns – I still work too and repay my super plus enough to cover payments for a couple of bennies a third of my age by way of income tax.

      A lot of my contemporaries have not been as lucky as me. They paid off their home mortgages at rates from 9%-22%, they paid for their kids to go through uni and many are still supporting their aged parents in retirement homes. Some even ‘get lucky’ enough to be responsible for the upkeep of grandchildren from failed marriages. An increasing number even have their kids returning to live at home so that they can bludge enough off their parents save up their home deposits.

      I am very much aware of your generations problems (I have kids in their 20s and 30s too) but it would help if you stopped fucking moaning about greedy old people whose taxes & hard work have set up what is still a very good society to live in.

  • thor42

    This is why the Nat’s policy of focusing on youth (and doing everything they can to *stop* them going on a benefit) is so good. MSD has released figures showing that the average benefit duration of someone on what used to be called the DPB is over *15 years*.

    Fifteen years on a benefit when that person should be out there working – not lounging on a sofa and/or making babies, *supported by taxpayers*.

    • Dave

      The most telling word there ***AVERAGE*** that means some are on the bene for a lifetime!!

  • philbest

    How much more absurd is it that NZ, with about 150 times as much spare land per person as the UK, is well on its way to engineering exactly the same kind of crisis purely through urban planning.

    Solution: either strip Councils of “housing” planning powers – or give them food supply planning powers as well, so enough people die of starvation as to remove the pressure on housing.

    • Chancey

      Our Planners are simply following Agenda 21 / Iclei rollouts – where ever you here sustainable development you can be sure it is not an NZ initiative. Ever heard the phrase think global act local? That is the origin of all Aucklands Planning policy via ICLEI. California has been hobbled by this and is much further down the track. Co incidentally the spurious “consultation” or manufacturing consent by Auckland Council is textbook stuff. This is all explained in a book called Behind the Green Mask Loire R. Dont bother going to the library for it – Aucklands stock is listed as missing

      • philbest

        You’re onto it. Our planners and the Planning Schools at the Unis are willing participants in the racket. They are not “reluctantly” following Agenda 21. “Studies” need to be stacked, computer models need garbage inputs, etc, to produce “sun rises in the west” policy guidance and propaganda. The media never shines a light on this and the public never knows any different.

        For example, look at Tony Randle’s audit of the CBD Rail Loop Business Case; Jasmax Consultants “Fine Grain Analysis” of the Auckland Spatial Plan; Studio D4’s analysis of available urban brownfields land, Brian Easton’s analysis of the Auckland Super Council’s fiscal position, etc etc etc…..

        Yet the public continues to give an electoral mandate to incompetence, fraud, and unreason.

        • Chancey

          thanks for a weekend of reading, although i fear I know what i will discover

  • Toryboy

    Oh and before anyone starts handwringing, let me put something into a context – everyone on a UK pension must have been born EARLIER than October 26th 1948.

    In the UK these pensioners had to opportunity to benefit from FOUR sharemarket and property booms during their adulthood; so anyone claiming to be broke and homeless in their old age in the UK really is a loser.

    In NZ it is fair to say that access to various types of investment was not available before Roger Douglas deregulated, especially financial markets or foreign investments – so a 65 year old NZer can legitimately claim nothing was possible until they were in their late 30s.

    But for British people something like Kiwisaver has been around for generations.
    You should have no sympathy for any elderly Pom claiming to be broke (I suspect they never hesitated to go “down the pub” or betting shop)

    • Chancey

      so there are no recent immigrants to the UK living in taxpayer funded million dollar houses, while receiving generous healthcare and subsidies? UK’s industries eg fishing is in a healthy state and they have not lost their quotas to the EU? Billions of taxpayer funding is not being shipped offshore to the communist EU?

      Gosh I feel better now

      • Toryboy

        Oh yes, I was simply saying that if some people didn’t buy a house for 3000 pounds when they were young (there were plenty of lenders around offering cheap mortgages to young married couples) and saw it double in value during the 1971 – 74 property boom; the 1986 – 90 property boom; the 1990s property boom; or the recent property boom and those who didn’t pay into a super scheme taking advantage of sharemarket booms during the same period, should not moan today.

        I guess what I am saying chancey is this – don’t waste your time or sympathy with losers; they had plenty of time and pissed it against a wall.

        • Chancey

          Fair enough, but the game is rigged there will always be winners and losers. The losers require the most compassion.

          • Dave

            Do they require compensation ?? where does the rule book of life state all losers will be compensated. Oh yes, thats a socialist / pinko policy.

          • Chancey

            the word i used is compassion

          • Toryboy

            Yes and the ‘compassion’ bit is a basic state pension to avoid destitution – and fair enough, I suppose. But no one should complain if there are no cherries on top – it was up to them do provide that themselves (or were they asleep for 11 years when Thatcher was on TV every night encouraging this?)

          • JC

            The oldies were buggered before they started with 2/3rds tax once income passed a low base here and up to 80% tax in Pomland.

            In exchange they were promised a good pension at age 60, free medical care and education plus other goodies.

            It might sound dopey they believed that but after two world wars and the Great Depression they were desperate to believe in this new fangled socialism and no more wars because of the shiny new United Nations and later the EU.

            In many respects any kid entering the work force after Rogernomics has an advantage of cynicism about Govt largess.. yet half of them didn’t learn a bloody thing from Roger and Ruth.. right now they think Labour and the Greens will look after them, but as they age they will find their shiny new Super schemes will be robbed to bribe the next generation of voters.


  • Kimbo

    I thought most of them had moved here.

  • Col

    Old story, if you keep giving it, they will keep taking it until it stops.
    I always have said, they need to get out of bed and clock in,as we are seeing now what happens, the dole is a good income, I can root the partner anytime and we don’t have any worries, we get looked after, better than a real job, why would you want too work????

    • Dave

      Agree in most ways, my version.

      Up to 3 months to find other work, twice weekly reporting, intensive career advise and a mentor to assist with CV’s and FOLLOW UP on all interviews where they didn’t get the job, this feedback used to mentor / correct approach. a cautionery note, this looking for work will be the equivalent of FULL TIME or no dole.

      3 to 6 months, reduced benefit, starting to get hints at forced benefit. After 6 months, benefit is at 70% of original, and forced work for dole, if they don’t turn up, NO BENEFIT.

      Over 6 months, 50% of the dole, forced full time work, again, no show, no dole. This is still softy, they get looked after, and the state is providing amazing resources to get them back into work,the pinkos keep saying where are the jobs, they are there for those that really want to work.