“Race-Hustlers” in action

Yesterday I blogged about Thomas Sowell and his contention that young disaffected are being lead around by “race-hustlers”.

It is no surprise then to see an exact case of this in the Herald on Sunday.

A teenager, who says she was forced to her knees at police gunpoint during the 2007 Urewera terror raids, is suing the Police Commissioner for $200,000.

The teen’s barrister, Charl Hirschfeld, said she told him she was taken from her grandmother during a dawn raid of their South Auckland home. It’s claimed the then 12-year-old was on the ground with her hands behind her head for up to 50 minutes.

Hirschfeld is also acting for five adult members of the teenager’s family who are suing the Attorney-General for $100,000 each for a breach of civil rights after being detained during the same incident. 

Other allegations include police interrogated the pyjama-clad girl as light rain fell, asking her, “Do you know any terrorists?”

“The absurdity of this is breathtaking,” Hirschfeld said. “The barrels of the guns are pointed at (the girl’s) head.”

Neither police nor Attorney-General Chris Finlayson would comment while the claims are before the courts.

This is bollocks, but with the liberal courts highly likely to succeed.

You may be sure that the idea to sue didn’t come from the 12 year old. This has all the hallmarks of some parents trying to cash in years after the fact an after being brain-washed into grievance mode.


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  • Steve R

    We all know those raids were justified , they weren’t playing paintball down there . If we had the spy laws that we have now the real story would have been told and all of them would have been locked up .

    • Chaz

      The terrorist law has not been changed one iota Steve.

      The excuse that the law was inadequate was just an excuse for the fact that even with illegal evidence, the crown had no case.

      To re-iterate, the anti-terrorist law we have today is the same one we had then, because Judith Collins said there was no cause to change it.


  • Whafe

    Opportunists to the max…. So very sad that large proportion of the NZ’s people see this sort of behaviour as okay.

    Be scared NZ….

    • Col

      Try suing one of them lol.

  • Col

    Don’t get me wrong but a dead person does not tell lies, 6 years is stretching it, they have all got the story right and ready to roll, but wait the Lawyer has a plan, he gets paid!!!

  • Reid

    I wonder if since this is a civil suit whether the evidence that wasn’t admissible during the criminal cases will now be allowed if the police decide to use it to establish whether their actions were fair and reasonable.

    Let’s hope so. Once the public see the surveillance videos and hear the tapes, public support for these people will quickly evaporate.

    • Mr_Blobby

      That would be interesting, because once it was out it could then be considered legitimate enough for use in the original charges.

      No, these fuckers are just taking the piss again, they have learned nothing and are still in grievance mode.

      • Chaz

        The illegal footage was indeed allowed in the cases of the people that actually went to court, if you recall Blobby, but all the crown could prove from it was that the people concerned did not have firearrns licenses.

  • opusx

    This was on the cards right from the start. Interesting that the Solicitor General okayed the search (raid is the word the Maori use) but the Courts later didn’t back the SG or the Police. Police in this instance were damned if they did, damned if they didn’t, but believe me the Commisioner would have budgeted for the ensuing civil suits from the get go.

  • James Growley

    And, if the twelve year old wins, the $200,000 will be held in trust for her?

    • opusx


  • blokeintakapuna

    Call me a cynic, but what’s the bet the lawyer is retained on a “no win, no fee” basis and a 50/50 split if they do “win”

    Let’s hope the Judge hearing the case insists on a legitimate reason and rationale for why They’ve taken 6+ years to lodge the claim?

    • Mr_Blobby

      Whats the bet the lawyer is on legal aid.

      The reason the original court case took so long was the years of hearings to get as much evidence as possible disallowed.

      The original leaked affidavit said it all and the suppressed video surveillance would have been the final nail.

      Guilty as sin, now they are having another piss take, the Grand Children are probably already preparing the ground work for the treaty (that they didn’t sign) claim.

    • peterwn

      Presumably the papers were filed just before the six years was up. A civil claim must be filed within 6 years of the incident, or in the case of hidden damage (eg a leaky home) 6 years after the damage would reasonably have been noticed, limited to 15 years following the incident (eg the completion of the leaky home). The plaintiff need not explain why it took so long, but it could affect the credibility of the evidence.

  • Garbageman

    Didn’t they just finalize the Tuhoe settlements, looks to me like they are after yet another cash cow, roll on the state funded gravy train

  • Dick Brown

    This has the hallmarks of being important case law.

    I’m in two minds about this whole incident; on one hand I am willing to concede that if there were indeed any offences being committed then fair enough bring them before the courts; due process and all that.

    But on the other hand the police operation did appear to be over the top and however told the media that they were about to pounce needs to be shot with a ball of their own shit.

    Wasn’t a good look at all.

    So I look forward to some uncomfortable truths to come out about the police response; we’ve all had a go at one side of the coin let’s have a look at it from another angle.

    • Mr_Blobby

      Wonder what compensation the heavily pregnant Mrs Dotcom and children will be entitled to. Nothing to do with terrorism or running around with guns just a civil copyright case.

      • Dick Brown

        Yes, I’m following that one with interest too.

  • Ronnie Chow

    I feel more sorry for the young lady who had her teeth smashed by the cops .


    • opusx

      I have little sympathy for this wee miss. Police did not smash her teeth, she fell after being moved on by Police trying to close an out of control teen party. Always amuses me the public outcry of Police brutality after the fact. How about the blame resting fair and square on the little shits that hold a street or neighbourhood to ransom with their drunken violence. You expect the Police to turn up and politely ask them to move on…and keep asking politely until they do. Let me assure you RC that being a cop involved in trying to close down these so called parties is actually fucking scary, but nobody seems to care that about half a dozen cops are outnumbered 10 to 1 by a mob that has no respect for the law, public order, or their neighbours.

      Yes, sad she was injured, but why hadn’t she got the fuck out when she knew the thing was getting out of hand.

      • Ronnie Chow

        Rabid party-goers exhibit mob behavior ,which is heavily influenced by the loss of responsibility of the individual and the impression of universality of behavior, both of which increase with the size of the crowd .

        She wasn’t able to get the fuck out .The individuals in that crowd lost their sense of individual self and personal responsibility.

        “Let me assure you RC that being a cop involved in trying to close down these so called parties is actually fucking scary” That’s because they don’t know what the fuck they are doing , OPUSX , sorry to say .

    • Mr_Blobby

      That was her choice to hang around and there would have been plenty of opportunities to move on.

      • Ronnie Chow

        Sure , but the cops have denials written in stone . If you did the same to a woman you would have an assault charge , no matter if she was just lippy , or trying to bottle you . Self defence is not an option in our skewed justice system .

    • Bunswalla

      You have to understand Ronnie’s viewpoint – he’s an otherwise great guy but he doesn’t believe in personal responsibility if something bad happens to you. It’s always the fault of the person that caused the injury, never the person that provoked it.

      Bit of a pattern there, Ronnie.

      • Ronnie Chow

        My pattern evolved when rocks started coming in the windows , told to come outside when awake , told to lie on the ground , then the cop dropped the full force of his knee onto my rib cage , separating my ribs.

        That cop and several others were pointing Bushmasters at me . He said “we would have shot you if you had anything in your hand ”

        But hey , wrong house , wrong person , but the police were just doing their job , right ?

        As far as personal responsibility goes , judges in this country seem to think that a person being attacked can somehow fend off their attacker without hurting them , when in fact your heart is pounding , adrenaline is rushing through your veins and you either fight or freeze .

        “24/10/2013 The two fought and Eastham got the worst of it and ended up on the ground being punched in the head area several times. During the fight Eastham used his knife to stab Strongman-Lintern in the chest. Strongman-Lintern later died despite the care of ambulance staff.”
        Justice Ron Young said he accepted Eastham used the knife when Strongman-Lintern was getting the better of him, but it was a gross over-reaction.

        Which is total bullshit . Attack is the best form of defence , but the judiciary denies me that right , and along with the police deny me the right of personal responsibility in defence of my family and property by not supporting that right AT ALL .

        Cops can be total arseholes in this country and they never , ever admit guilt , so we never get the true story . Forget the Namby-Pambys on Police 10/7 , they act more like the Salvation Army .

        And the cops here make a lot of mistakes , as in recently interviewing a college boy who set fire to 5 cars and a house and admitted it . He got off because the cops forgot to have a lawyer present for a minor .

        I’m still in disbelief that the cops let their boss drive home absolutely shitfaced from the Police bar ; http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/1998656/Breath-test-refusal-a-severe-challenge

        So , yes , I am more inclined to believe that the cop shoved the girl over and smashed her teeth with excessive force .
        Do you know what the cops in Thailand would have done at that party? Outnumbered them for a start and given everyone a urine test for drugs .

    • Reid

      Yeah the cops take the idiot attitude that THEY MUST TAKE CONTROL and that’s what they teach, which is fine if you’re dealing with a bunch of gang thugs but they fail to get the elementary point that just because it’s a crowd that’s been drinking this doesn’t necessarily mean that everyone present thereby automatically represents a grave threat to their authoriti and MUST be treated accordingly.

      But that’s how they train and monkey see, monkey do. I lost confidence in the police ability to understand crowd psychology when I was at the Aotea Square concert that ended in the Queen St riot and it would not have happened if the idiot cops, using precisely the same attitudes, stopped the band. Because stopping the band made everyone turn around and pay attention to them while they tried to get the drunken idiot off the roof of the Information Centre. And had they understood crowd psychology they would have known not to do that.

      • Muffin

        Cops fault people rioted? Pull the other one

        • Ronnie Chow

          Yet the cops fuck it up nearly every time . Take out the ringleaders hard and fast , dressed in full riot gear , but do not walk in holding a torch with a stab-proof vest on and expect drunk , belligerent idiots to do your bidding . For a start , the penalties are so light , they are almost a rite of passage here .
          What have they got to lose by telling the cops to fuck off ?

          Yes , the cops fault . Wrong approach , ignorant of crowd psychology , outnumbered and balls removed by a plague of weak jaundiced judiciary .

  • Mark

    For years Hirschfeld was creaming a couple of million a year off Legal Aid so it doesn’t surprise me he is acting. Check out past years payments to law firms on the Legal Aid website and you’ll be amazed how much he has claimed.

  • Bad__Cat

    No doubt the nature of Chinese whispers over the last 6 years has escalated the stories with each re-telling. If it was so bad an experience, why has it taken them so long to do anything about it. Give it a few years and it will be the subject of a Treaty of Waitangi claim.

  • Nechtan

    “Do you know any terrorists?” Seriously? Does anyone think that the police asked that exact question? Its just not credible especially to a child. Load of Bollocks is my call.

  • Chaz

    I saw that footage Whale. There is nothing bollocks about a terrified 12 year old being forced at gunpoint from her home with an automatic, loaded weapon inches from her head.