Tuesday General Debate

It is becoming a challenge to introduce the daily General Debate post with something that doesn’t repeat itself and is still worth reading for the 4.8 seconds it takes to scan the eye over it.

Phew.  Another one done.

Today’s debate topic is:

What’s the point of observing Guy Fawkes Night? They’ve legislated all the fun away – no matter how many people used to get hurt/buildings burnt down/pets had heart attacks…  they’ve legislated the fun out of it.

Restrict fireworks on Guy Fawkes Night to public displays only.


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  • Molon Labe

    Or an alternative to the restrictions of the nanny state.

    Bring back the ‘Double Happy’.

    Just sayin’

    • richard.b

      Bring back the ‘Double Happy’.
      You could start a face book page, worked for Chocade and George Pie……….

    • Saggy

      Fireworks are about the only tool we have left to assist natural selection. The source of many a Darwin Award.

  • LabTested

    the 1 cent skyrockets that you could fire by hand & hit the next farm house if you got the trajectory right. The ‘Thunder Crackers’ that would take apart the teacher’s letter box if strategically placed. The ‘Double Happys’ that combined with a bit of small tube would shoot pebbles like a bullet.

    All these chances to experiment with physics are denied the youth of today.

    • Euan Ross-Taylor

      I saw yesterday that some young people were firing sky rocket type fireworks from a moving car. Now that is taking it to the next level.

      • blokeintakapuna

        Yep. Young… Dumb… And full of enthusiasm…

    • CheesyEarWax

      Loved the double happys and Tom Thumbs fire crackers. These and the Sky Rockets would teach the youth of today something about the laws of physics and get them away from the Facebooks and computer games, even momentarily.

    • Pissedoffyouth

      You can still get them, I know i used to when I was at school.

    • Saggy

      Light a Tom Thumb and shoot it at friends from air rifle. Those were the days!

  • tspoon

    Auckland may not have as much per capita spent as other provinces, but that was never the whole story – the other side of the coin: http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/9361583/Stats-prove-provinces-productivity

  • blokeintakapuna

    Well with all of Labour being in Christchurch… And with plenty of arsonists torching red zoned houses… And it being the anniversary of Guy Fawkes…

    It’s just a lost opportunity to burn effigies of Labour in the streets demanding someone buy Cunners a new tie so he can double his wardrobe… And until that happens, all of Labour caucus will have their CV’s publicly examined for any ounce of truth or honesty..

    • tarkwin

      If you’re going to burn a Labour effigy make sure it is gender neutral, left handed, mixed race, hand wringing, union member, school teacher, treaty apologist soft cock wanker. And if you need a match, give me a yell.

      • Dave

        Geez Tarkwin, that leaves the field right open, almost all current Labour MP’s score at least a 6 out of 8!!

        • tarkwin

          I was going to suggest using a couple of Greens for kindling but most of them are too soggy. I suppose you could use Tuatara, if you got her started all that fat and fancy jackets would burn for a long time.

          • Dave

            Fuel and food for an entire african village for over a week!! The smell of all the man made fibres from the designer clothes would be putrid though.

      • Sponge

        Don’t forget crippled…

        • tarkwin

          The sad part is ever since I wrote that this morning I’ve been wondering if there is such a thing as a gender neutral cross dresser. I will muse over this and have a few jars while I’m losing money in Melbourne.

  • Michael

    Guy Fawkes was an anti-monarch Catholic, his execution is what is being celebrated. If we are going to celebrate the saving of the monarch then fireworks should be sold for Queens Birthday, when it is dark at 7pm and we don’t get people letting off fireworks at 11pm when the kids are asleep.

    Man I’m getting old!

    • Bunswalla

      Spot on. Both points (me too)!

      • 4077th

        Never too old to burn your finger in a hot lighter from trying to light sparklers for the grandies..

  • T. Akston

    Stupid laws usually have the opposite effect to that intended. Seeing kids with bright minds repackaging nanny-state-approved fizzers into double happies on steroids sustains faith in the human spirit.

  • LeftRightWrong

    I would rather go to the local display or a near by speedway and watch the display there. Often a tens of thousands of dollars display for a fraction of the price and in the case of speedway a show as well.

  • conwaycaptain

    I never had fireworks as a child, the reason being my father was badly burnt during the war and he thought that they were dangerous. I got money instead to buy Dinky toys.
    I saw someone at a bonfire have a banger thrown at them which went into his pocket full of fireworks and he of course was burnt.
    The fireworks today are far more powerful than the one people here are talking about. These are carried as Class 1 explosives on a ship with all the precautions necessary. Yet we sell them to any Tom Dick or Henare to take home shove in the shed with no storage precautions and then let them or their kids set them off with no experience whatsoever in handling a Class 1 explosive.
    One kiddie was injured in Akl when her brother chucked a banger at her.

    • Pissedoffyouth

      Sorry Captain, but the Warehouse shitter shooters are nothing like the double happy’s and other fireworks which had almost no fuse and could blow a finger off

      • Tom

        Correct, the warehouse-type packages are limpdick as it gets. Used to be able to get these bangers in south africa which could take a hand off, no problem. The local shop would sell them to me at age 8 too!!

        Now there’s nothing really worth getting from the usual outlets (wah lee’s are the best of the bunch though), unless you’re willing to make your own black powder versions, which are highly illegal, but quite a blast! (pun intended)

    • Mighty1

      The kid chucked a cascade at her – a fizzing spinner which is not meant to be thrown, and it went in to her hoodie pyjamas and whizzed round her ear. On the back it says “CAUTION spins on ground emits flame and sparks…use only under close adult supervision.. outdoor use only…Do not hold in hand. Light fuse and GET away. Why did he throw it at her, doesn’t sound like he likes his little sister? He sounds like a right little prat of the type you refer to above.. Don’t see why they have to be banned though, he could have used a can of petrol and we don’t ban those. Where were the ADULTS? Jeez you cant buy FW in NZ unless you are 18 years old.

  • Jimmie

    Combining fireworks powder with black gun powder and match heads all repackadged together makes for interesting results……

    • jcpry

      Especially when screwed up nice and tight between two large bolts and a nut and dropped from a great (safe?) height!

    • Mighty1

      True – a kid blew his face off last week cooking something like this up on the STOVE….. BOOOOM!

  • Time For Accountability

    O for the days when we linked three sky rockets together.

    They went up along and down when we got the fuse lengths correct.

    And for the days at an Otago university hostel where residents and nearby residents sky rocket attacked each other.

    All good harmless fun until the Labour fun busters stopped these practices.

    • Quinton Hogg

      Used to enjoy watching the sky rocket battles when I was at Otago.
      As for tom thumbs and double happys. Happy memories of youthfull mahem.

  • Lion_ess

    Guy Fawkes, Easter and Christmas can all piss off back to pommy land. Don’t mind playing make believe with kids to the age of 12, after that fzzzzzzzttttt!

    • LabTested

      Easter & Christmas are not Pommy traditions. Christmas is celebrated in most european countries. In Holland the Christmas presents are delivered by ‘Black Peter’ – a black man in medieval costume. Apparently he also takes the naughty children off to work in Spanish Orchards. (suspect this is throw back to when Holland as a Spanish Colony)

      • Lion_ess

        Thanks for the correction LabTested, I should have said the way it’s celebrated here mimics the pommy tradition.

  • Time For Accountability

    Where do we buy thunder flashes these days?

    • steve and monique

      Used to be able get bird scarers from the Horticulture sector. Look like the big crackers off old. Go off like a shotgun blast. Not sure if still available, and if public could buy them.

    • disqus_Aa7kWsb7Fp

      Join the Army they’ve got lots and lots

      • Time For Accountability

        Nearly did.
        I got the letter but then they abolished conscription.

  • Dick Brown

    The government may have taken away the fun but they can never take away our freeeedooommmmm….

    No, leave it as it is; there is a small economy there that numerous people rely on for financial reward and possible survival.

    Future enlightened governments may relax the rules, who knows.

    But to ban the sales to the public? No.

    PS: I still have a few boxes of double happys in the garage; they are probably turning to liquid at the moment but I don’t care.

  • snakebit

    The double happy was king. Im so glad i grew up in a time when you could buy them in every fruit and vegie store…those were the days. That said im all for moving fireworks season to winter. Less fires and it gets dark nice and early. Not happy about fireworks going off at 0100 and waking up my kids… i will find you pal, just one more fucken time!!!!

    • Col

      So the little bastard is getting you back when you did the same thing when you were young. lol

  • 1) find road sign
    2) check if open at top (they were, back then)
    3) drop lit firework down tube
    4) seal with a big plug of mud
    5) stand back
    6) enjoy

    • Tom

      That’s the spirit!

  • Toryboy

    There has been a lot of fuss in the last couple of days about these silly boys bragging about sexual conquests online.

    Having seen snippets of them on the news last night I would give you odds of 11/12 on they are making it all up, and the lack of confessions under Police questioning is due to their virginity haha! –

    (unlike the average Detective Inspector Plod, I can spot a 17 year old boy falsely bragging about getting laid when I see one)

    Before everyone gets carried away, I have a slight confession to make; I first had sex at the age of 13 and by the time I was actually legal – 16 – I had had sex with 62 partners, all of whom were older than 16; I kept a diary of ‘conquests’ with names, dates and marks out of 10 (very juvenile, I know, but it was the 1980s)

    According to ‘some’ those 62 people are guilty of statutory rape; had my diary fallen into the wrong hands a large number of people would have ended up in prison on charges which the law clearly states there is no defence to.

    Except they are not guilty of rape – to me (the ‘two’ it takes to tango with) the very idea is preposterous!

    In my opinion there is something about humans which leads to blind jealousy of anyone young who is getting laid – because those handwringing and getting all high and mighty were not getting laid at that age themselves – much to their teenage chagrin (“and goddammit nobody else is going to either!”) – which leads to pompous and self righteous statements when they are adults.

    These ‘rapes’ almost certainly never happened – the two idiots shown on One News last night do not ‘look’ like guys who are rooting (I am genuinely the guy who ‘takes one to know one’ as I said earlier) – so everyone can calm down.

    • Col

      How many times had we had our hand on her leg and she said no, come on don’t say no, and a little higher up we would go, I wonder if that is called Rape these days, because if it was I m in the shit.
      Always said those who talk about it, never did it?

    • Rodger T

      Partner,is that what you call your right hand?

      • Bunswalla

        Better with the left (apparently, so I’m told, er, I read it in a book once – which I only bought for the articles), feels like it’s someone else. Supposedly.

        • Rodger T

          I think that`s called The Stranger, so ,I`ve been told …….

    • Tom

      I totally think that most if not all of these are nowhere near ‘rape’.

      Just cos they used the silly girls doesn’t make them criminals, just arseholes.

      It’s not rape if you change your mind afterwards i’m afraid

  • Col

    So where is Lenny Brown, seems he is more like a pop star who never shows.

    • Euan Ross-Taylor

      I got to the debate very late yesterday and asked this question, If Len is taking time off for ‘Quality Time With his Family’, Is anyone aware if Shan is also taking time off work for ‘Quality Time with Family’?

      • Col

        I think Lenny may had been told about what real life is about by Shan, time for Lenny to choose, Mayor or family?

        • James Growley

          I believe that if Len looses the Mayoralty, he will loose the family too.

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            Not sure which is coming first, but both will happen IMO.

          • Dave

            James, please correct your post. WHEN he goes!

    • Chancey

      Im thinking the scumbag will be here – should be available for viewing all day due to long agenda

      Extraordinary Meeting Governing Body – please attend even if you can only spare half an hour
      10:00 am Thursday 7 November
      Reception Lounge Auckland Town Hall
      Agenda here

      The Agenda concerns itself mainly with setting up structures and committees and confirming roles and responsibilities
      It’s a shame that notable talent on council has been sidelined

      Public excluded for appointment of new CEO

      Item 11 – details responsibilities of the Mayor – some of which it would be difficult for Len to claim competence for.

      Still no Mayoral Diary for this week

    • Team ENZ

      He has been keeping a very low profile these days..haven’t heard a pickaboo from him … maybe the heat is cooling off him..time to get to work guys..

      • Mighty1

        Apparently he was at the Kids Marathon giving out medals to the kids. Wouldn’t front for the start of the Adults Marathon though, much LOL.

  • Where there is not enough open space, ban it; where there is plenty, enjoy it.

    • Euan Ross-Taylor

      I remember New Years in Durban. Now that is a fire works event!

      • Yes I grew up in the Kalahari Desert where we had lots of fun.

        • Tom

          Swakopmund had good ones from memory :)

  • richard.b

    Pete, perhaps you should call for General Debate topics for a day and don’t let anybody comment on them. That should give you a reasonable list to work with or ignore.

  • 1951

    Pete. No,no.no! ‘Restrict to public displays’ is UNTHINKABLE. I have the 4yr old grandson staying this week. Was down-in-the-lip for the rest of the day after falling out of the 4th tree yesterday morning (1st time fall, has yet to get a bee sting or learn what electric fence feels like). He never came right until I let off a ‘rocket of firey balls’ Magic medicine that restored his faith in himself.

  • kehua

    Great idea Pete, stop retail sales and have public Displays only, the `bombs` that are going off around my place at the moment are not the traditional fireworks that we had when we were kids, I am no expert but I would say that they are 10 or 20 times louder and more powereful. Couple this with the fact that the wankers letting them off are dumb pricks and it is disaster material, I have horses (mares and foals) cattle and dogs and this time of the year and New Years Eve are days that cause no end of anxiety.

    • Mighty1

      They make them themselves by dismantling other fireworks.

      • blokeintakapuna

        …or dry ice into a 1.5lt or 2lt plastic bottle with about a cup full of water. Put water in first, fold/crease bottle to load dry ice capsules, screw on lid tight – throw bottle… run like crazy…

  • disqus_Aa7kWsb7Fp

    Guy Fawkes was the only man to ever enter Parliament with good intentions

    • 4077th

      Quote of the day..

  • 4077th

    There is nothing wrong with Fireworks. There is however an increasing list of applicants for the Darwin awards who are allowed to buy them. Leave the rest of us alone we are quite capable of being sensible. Legislating against stupidity has not and will not ever work.

  • 4077th

    Speaking of fireworks, Ms Chuang is being careful to stay out of the limelight again today by providing yet another fairly lengthy interview…this time the blackmail word was used..this is a first and not in the least bit inflammatory..Is she trying to bury Palino now? Why would this be?

    • Lion_ess

      …to take the heat off Brown

      • 4077th


    • Palinos’ best response is to let them continue, I call it “feeding the delusion”
      If he wants airtime, use it to promote himself etc.

      It’s guaranteed as their emotions take over they will disclose their “plan”. They have too, otherwise no one will follow it …… stupid sad A.D.D morons.

  • Team ENZ

    What gets me is that after the arseholes have fired up all their fireworks in the school playground, they left behind a mountain load of used up lot of rubbished fireworks for the poor school cleaners to clean up. Why cant these arseholes pick up their own rubbish after they had their fun?. Typical lazy kiwi attitude., wonder why people want them to be banned for private sale.

    • LabTested

      Hell, when I was a kid we went searching the neighbourhood the next day to see who could get the best collection of dead skyrockets that had fallen.

      During guyfawks night we were always frustrated when we saw a skyrocket fall on a roof, cos we knew that was one we were not going to get.

      However I just have not been able to get my kids to take up my hobby.

  • “Flame temperatures of magnesium and magnesium alloys can reach 3,100 °C”

    Don’t go setting up fireworks 5 feet from anyone, 50-100 feet people 8-)