Auckland City Mission, budgets, and when charity turns into a farce

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The Auckland City Mission is desperately trying to raise the donations it needs for the hectic Christmas season.

The mission says it has only raised $430,000 out of the $1.3 million it needs to provide food parcels, presents and practical assistance to “Aucklanders living in desperate need”.

The City Mission’s website asks every Aucklander to “become someone’s angel this Christmas.”

“Every donation to our Christmas Appeal will bring us a step closer to reaching our fundraising goal and will help make a meaningful difference to the lives of Auckland families living in desperate need,” the website reads.

It comes after the Salvation Army revealed earlier this month that it needed 40,000 more presents to give to children in poverty this year.

Last Christmas, ONE News reported the number of parcels handed out to the needy had tripled in the last five years.

The problem with the Auckland City Mission is that they are a victim of their own PR.  It’s the place to be seen at.  It’s the place to get free food, even if you have to drive all the way from Hamilton and back to get it.

And the Auckland public have seen the farcical nature of the Auckland City Mission Christmas dinners.    When you add that to the Auckland City Mission handing out food parcels to people that have their own climate system, the generosity of those who ave some to spare gets dented.

Few would argue that those in genuine need shouldn’t have a little bit of help.  But over the years it has been clear that giving to the Auckland City Mission around Christmas is akin to throwing good money after bad.   People are choosing to spend their charity dollars with organisations that discriminate a little better as to who is in real need, and who is taking the kindness of strangers for a huge ride.

These people are not starving.

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They are well fed.  Dressed, and probably all drove a car to come get free stuff.  Most will be carrying a smart phone.

This is the level of poverty that the Auckland City Mission is expecting us to feel sufficient guilt about to pitch in and help.

I do believe there are genuine cases.

But I don’t believe the Auckland City Mission is the best organisation to make your charity go a long way.

And it appears Auckland agrees with me.  The City Mission is staring at a 67% shortfall.

That’s a message.  But is anyone listening?

 

– One News

 


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  • Bart67

    There are quite a lot of pasifika in that queue too. I wonder how many of them are making exorbitant donations to the church, which then in turn does NOTHING to assist the needy in their own communities? I cannot fathom the absolute hypocracy involved in that simple transaction!

    • Euan Ross-Taylor

      It seems to me that there would be no queue at all if you only have caucasians in it. Is this a matter of a cultural thing where those of Maori and Pacifica heritage do ‘communal’ whereas whitey’s do close family celebrations? Or is it economic that ‘no’ Whitey’s are poor? Or is it that Whitey’s are too ashamed to be seen as poor in public? or is it that Whitey’s feel that the onus is on themselves to improve their lot?
      I hope this is not seen as racist, but rather as a genuine thought to analyse the absence of European people in the photo; maybe it is not representative of the total crowd?

      • Wallace Westland

        I can you from past experience that those suffering the greatest poverty this Christmas are likely to be:
        White
        Male
        Middle Aged
        Single/divorced-paying child support if they have income

        They will also be the highest suicide demographic. There is no support for this group, no Government Dept to go to, no emergency benefits they are eligible for.

    • Albert Lane

      The Polynesian community have a difficult mission in life. One is to give money to their church. The other is to send money back to their families in the islands. Then they have to feed their families with what’s left over. But the first two items need investigation by Campbell Live. They don’t have enough money to cover everything, so they borrow from loan sharks. On payday, the loan sharks congregate near the ATM machines, and the borrowers have to repay part of their loans (probably just the interest) to the waiting sharks. Now that used to happen a few years ago. Does it still happen? And if it does, why haven’t we seen it on TV?

  • GoingRight

    We have always donated annually to the Auckland City Mission, but this year my husband has said no more to that particular charity. We shall investigate others who might be more discerning with our hard earned dollars to help those genuinely in need.

    • conwaycaptain

      Sallies

      • Frosty78

        That’s the organisation that has our family’s $ this year, actually they’re more like a conduit to genuine cases. We’ve given $ for food and bought presents for a woman and her 2 daughters. We don’t know who they are, just basic details.
        I wasn’t a big fan of the Sallies after they covered up for that filthy pedo in Whakatane a few years back however they seem to have their charity cases sorted.

        • Quinton Hogg

          My charity giving is generally through my service club.
          I make an exception however for the sallies who do good work in a number of areas.

        • Me too, we here, (in general), have enough

  • LesleyNZ

    Well said. Most of these people (if not all) are not starving. They are opportunists having a day out in town. They have time to spare. I would not give to the AKLD City Mission. I do give to those genuinely in need and rarely via an organisation where a lot of the funds are used in administration. AKLD City Mission need to close their doors – take stock of the situation they have created and then open on Christmas Day – for those who are genuinely in need, not for those who just “want”.

    • Forrest Ranger

      i agree in principle but how do you clearly identify those who are genuinely in need and more importantly who gets they job of doing so? – tough job.

      • steve and monique

        Perhaps a needs assessment from Work and Income. If the same people are continually accessing it, questions are to be asked of both them and their case workers. Same as HP’s should only be accessed out of necessity ie: washing machine breaks down, and money lending agencies and places like home direct should be strictly policed, they target low income families with things that they don’t “need” just want and it only compounds the problem. I am sure this was taken at a time when most were out working no doubt paying the incomes of these mainly freeloaders.

        • exactchange

          WINZ policy is that people who apply more than 3 to 5 times a year for a special needs grant may have to fulfill certain requirements, such as attending a budgeting service. That is good, but budgeting services needed more funding to cope.

          Still, it would be worth it if the recipients got their finances back on track, and some will.

      • LesleyNZ

        Think maybe it is time to stop this public lining up for food parcels. Change to food parcels put together at the city mission then those in genuine real need are contacted by city mission – after the recipient has been through a strident “needs” assessment. I think it would be better to stop this Christmas parade altogether. Auckland City Mission are being taken for a ride and so are those who donate.

  • RM

    It reminds me of a sad woman in the UK years ago that started feeding sparrows in her yard with stale bread from supermarkets and bakeries. It grew and grew until It got well out of hand with great flocks of birds visiting each day. The house and neighbouring ones were being buried under guano and rats infested the immediate area. The local council had to put a stop to it.

    • conwaycaptain

      Reason Red Ken the Mayor of London got rid of pigeons in Trafalgar Square. He called them ‘rats of the air”

    • Dave

      I see exactly the same in that picture, time for the council to move th eshow on, and the “rats” will also move on.

  • KGB

    2nd photo 3rd in line on the left looks very like a certain Labour candidate.

    • Kevin

      They all look like Labour supporters that’s for sure.

  • CheesyEarWax

    I am a donor to the City Mission and I find it abhorrent the free loaders are taking advantage of them. I find it even more abhorrent the Horrid didn’t publicised this but instead use it to publicised the “increasing poverty” theme.

  • MAWG

    No shortage of food evident in that pic looking at the number of very well fed people.

    I wonder how many people have actual, verifiable need or are using this as a method of subsidising their own spending. Get the food parcel and spend more on pressies, ciggies and booze. I suppose the thought that those with actual need are being ripped off by these freeloaders has never crossed the mind of those who report this ‘news’

    • kiwibattler

      I suggest that is the prime driver of many now going to this – free food, entertainment and pressie for the kids so that the adults don’t have to make any sacrifices to their lifestyles. In a roundabout way this is exactly the reason why we shouldn’t provide free meals in schools.

    • wooted

      I think “well fed” is a euphamism. The correct term for many is “clinically obese. Only recently have these people been described as needy.

  • Catriona

    These people are abhorrent. There is no doubt that their Xmas table will not only be laden with free food from the City Mission, but it will be laden, also, with copious amounts of booze which they are able to pay for from their friendly neighbourhood liquor store. So why would I give to the City Mission? It’s a joke.

    • Cowgirl

      I bet that many of the people queuing will have eaten their Xmas parcels before the big day and will be back again at the City Mission for their Xmas lunch.

      • Catriona

        Yes, no doubt there will be some who will be back in some form or another. They are disgraceful in my view.

  • Brian of Mt Wellington

    Most of those people pictured aren’t in poverty. They are after “something for nothing” which seems to be many peoples catch cry. There seems to be a commonality in the photo but I dare not say what it is for fear of being banned or labelled a racist. If half of those getting free stuff from the mission are in the same position as many I have seen in real poverty in places like Vanuatu then I would feed them on Xmas day. Most of those bludgers have no shame when they take food from someone who really needs it. There are genuine people in strife but they get grouped in with the ones who are bludging.

    • Gaynor

      The same sort of thing happened in Christchurch after the earthquakes.

  • kiwibattler

    You have to feel sorry for the person who actually needs the food but is now put off going due to the long queues……..

  • Arnie

    I read last week that a person had driven from Hamilton just to get a hand out. Hand out less petrol buying food in Hamilton would have saved more.

  • Michael_l_c

    Interesting reading the comments. I also gave a reasonable $ to the CM. But not this year. On top of the MSM bleeding heart stories, y’day I drove past the CM at about mid-day, crowds along the road, they certainly don’t all live there.

    All very well to say they don’t ask & don’t judge but they have to do something to cut out the users. The best is teach people to budget. Maybe a requirement after the first food parcel & none for out of towners.

    How many go to church; maybe the church could help their own or their local ‘poor’; have cell phones; sky; even a car. Not saying they should have to live in true poverty but many of them are obviously NOT short of food & should maybe abstain before they get diabetes & eventual kidney failure leading to very expensive dialysis or a heart attack or stroke.

    • MoggieManiac

      I wonder how many are devout church-attending Christians who truly believe in the holy-day of Christmas.
      If they were, surely their church would be there to make sure their poorest members were able to celebrate the day with a table of food not able to be afforded on most other days of the year.

  • Radiodog

    Simple solution. The front door should be 300mm wide. If you can’t fit through, you don’t need feeding.

  • Forrest Ranger

    It is difficult to know where to start with this one. I think the fundamental problem is that most of the people in this line don’t know the difference between charity and free stuff. Frankly they are spoiling it for those who are genuinely in need of charity. People who take the items generously donated by others are ensuring that those who really need it will likely get very little or nothing at all. I am guessing that the point of stories about the city mission in the Herald are to encourage people who can to donate more. I think this approach is clearly counterproductive as it is only attracting more freeloaders. The most disappointing thing is that these spongers have no pride in themselves or their commuity and clearly they don’t really give a toss about those less fortunate thann them who stand alongside them in the line.

    • SlightlyStrange

      I think you’ve summed it up brilliantly.
      And what those who are bludging free stuff they don’t need don’t realise is they are helping to reduce how much of that free stuff will be available next year, as more and more people turn away from donating to such organisations because of people like them.
      Its sad, because there is genuine need out in our communities. Bludgers like these make me so angry.

  • kiwibattler

    I like these comments from the then ‘record breaking numbers’ at the 2012 event….

    “Some came for the food, some for the company, and some for the true tourist experience.” – really? I thought this was just for the very needy?

    “Families were happy to wait in line to be part of the festivities and early arrivals were rewarded with good spots to catch the entertainment.” – yep, the entertainment is pretty important to many…….

    “Among the masses from Auckland, a smattering of Chinese tourists on organised tours also arrived to enjoy the meal – something that doesn’t bother organisers” – definitely not a free-for-all then…….

    • Kopua Cowboy

      Sums it up, really. They are out of control

  • Jas

    The shortfall could easily be made up by the churches and their so called leaders giving up the money they extort from their followers.
    The day that you can drive through the so called ‘poor’ neighbourhoods and not see suped up cars in the driveways is the day we have real poverty in NZ.

  • R&BAvenger

    We are putting together a donation box for the Christchurch City Mission here at work and it is full. We are happy to donate to the City Mission, but I’m unsure as to their ‘vetting’ procedure or whether the bludging phenomenon is an Auckland only thing.
    I do think that these charities have become enablers for those who are too lazy and make no effort to manage their affairs for this period of the year. They are a soft touch for free stuff, nothing more, nothing less to far too many people.
    Most in the queue shown are certainly not starving, but appear to be recipients of both state welfare and an excess of fast food. They don’t care, they don’t want to make a effort.
    For this section of ‘poor’ people, who make poor decisions around many, many facets of their life I believe that whatever welfare assistance or support is offered by the state or other agencies, it will never be enough.
    These are the ‘takers’ of our society, those corrupted by the rapidly expanded welfare state over the past 30 years, who are unable or unwilling to make better choices and know nothing better than to take advantage of what’s freely offered, rather than try and help themselves.
    The lack of support for the City Mission in Auckland is a sign that people are fed up with this state of affairs and it has been exacerbated by the ‘pimping the poor’ stories in the MSM.
    Of course the MSM will blame ‘the government’ for this situation, in spite of the country enjoying amongst the best economic times in a generation.

  • kehua

    No pride, no shame and no need. This to me looks like a bunch of bludging , overweight, healthy looking, selfish people being catered for by a bunch of deluded wannabee Samaritans. I can recall when this service (and it was one) was there to cater for the ragged, homeless alkies and obviously downtrodden tha frequented the CBD.

    • OT Richter

      I wonder how many people in the queue are from the same household, yet are still claiming a package each.

      • exactchange

        I mentioned above that for this particular day WINZ are on site, I assume to provide some sort of check.

    • waldopepper

      yes, this service used to so that the ragged and homeless and those sleeping under bridges had somewhere to go and could get a warm meal at xmas. any of those in the pictures look like they slept ragged ? i agree with comments above that unfortunately the world has moved on but the people working at the mission have not, and that the mission is now a bunch of deluded wannabe samaritans who will at some point have to accept that the world has changed on them, that ignoring the ever increasing number of free loaders taking advantage has destroyed a once noble charity, and that the shaming of others via media to pay for the missions deluded albeit well intentioned efforts is no longer working. every year they seem to admire the emperors new clothes more and more. the rest of us just think hes going to have a nasty chill in the morning.

  • John1234

    Yep – spot on. We used to bake cakes etc to take there but now… what’s the point if they are giving it to some bludger who drove their car up from Hamilton to receive it?

    This is very sad for the genuinely needy and those who would like to help *them* out.

    • kayaker

      The business club I have belonged to since the ’80s has a Christmas lunch early December every year. A portion of what we pay for the lunch is donated to the CM. We bring presents for girls and boys which also go to the CM. I’m beginning to re-think.

  • KGB

    I feel for the City Mission here. There policy has always been to help people without judgement or question. That worked well for them for many years and they have done a wonderful job. But times have changed. Their service is now exploited by many who are simply greedy. Sadly those who are in real genuine need are now embarrassed to be photographed and seen with those who abuse the charity. The City Mission will have to revisit their policies if they are too reach those deserving of help.

    • kiwibattler

      This is a problem for them now – tighten up who goes in future and be painted as uncaring and possibly racist by the MSM? or continue to struggle as more and more freeloaders jump on the bandwagon each year?
      I can imagine lefties reading this will think we are all mad and we should instead be helping anybody who goes to the mission without judgement or any reason for exclusion. The problem with that though is that the people who suffer are the people needing the food the most as resources are stretched. Many of these people will be put-off going by the freeloaders as well.

      • KGB

        Exactly. I know they want their Xmas lunch to be for anybody who simply needs someone to share Xmas with. Sadly some people would spend Xmas alone if they didn’t have the Mission to go to. I support that. They could still retain that spirit on Xmas Day but introduce qualifying those who line-up free ‘free stuff’ before hand.

        • Radiodog

          A set of scales ?

  • Kopua Cowboy

    The solution is to help others directly, rather than to just throw money at some random charity and say “Gosh I feel good helping my community”. The kind of wastage we are hearing about here can then be avoided.

  • Fat Sally

    My favourite is the lady third in line in the grey carrying a big bottle of Lift.

  • kayaker

    All these people are well clothed and well fed. One person in the queue is carrying a bottle of fizzy drink. This is a really sad sight. That people would stoop this low and deprive genuinely down-on-their-luck and needy fellow human beings of help when they most need it is abhorrent.

    The definition of ‘poverty’ as the charities and lefties define it, is becoming a joke.

    • Annoyed

      It isn’t even cheap fizzy drink. It’s a brand. Clearly the entitlement of these people is a huge problem for our society.

      • kayaker

        I saw the brand, not cheap, especially when bought at a dairy or petrol station. I don’t buy fizzies, yuk! The only exception, of course, is tonic (for obvious reasons).

        When we were kids, we only had fizzy drink on birthdays and Christmas. Our kids ’80s/’90s hardly ever had fizzies. They really liked water and still do.

        Edit: diary to dairy

  • Mick Ie

    This is leaving a very sour taste. There is no distinction between those in real need and those just after another free hand out. It stands to reason these organisations are going to struggle. They are depending on hard working, main stream New Zealanders to support them and frankly I think we’re all fed up of being conned.

    • mommadog

      Well said. I am tired of being conned so the few dollars I have to give stays in my purse at this time of year. I cant afford to give a lot but every $ helps. There are other ways for genuine needy people to be helped and for the community to come together for a nice day. For example, local churches could use some of the money collected throughout the year from parishioners and have a communal Christmas feast. Attend church through the year and you are invited to the dinner. Local Marae could do similar by putting down a big hungi and have everyone come together for a meal. Trouble is no one wants to use their own money. Those lined up obviously weren’t working the day the photo was taken but I wonder if any have jobs but took the day off to line up with the family.

      • Mick Ie

        Most churches are a wonderful support for those in need.
        I wonder what amazing Christmas plans Hannah and Brian Tamaki have in store for their followers and if any of them in them in the food queue belong to Destiny Church?

        • Michael_l_c

          The Sallies bought the ‘church’ that the Tamaki’ moved out of to build their new city. As the Sallies were finishing the building conversion I got to have a look through. If the rich don’t get into heaven then the Tamaki’ are in trouble. Big chandeliers taken down, bathroom far, far better than mine.
          Is it a church or a franchise?

          • Huia

            It is purely a business with the Tamaki’s as the benefactors. All that money could be put to genuine better use. Its time the Church’s with their undeclared wealth paid taxes to the country and its people they are bleeding dry.

          • Mick Ie

            How about a very successful non tax paying business venture?

      • waldopepper

        thats an extremely good point you make. where are all the communal hangis for the brown faces that dominate the que. for a supposedly proud people who have had a gazillion dollars in payouts for treaty reparations, but despite the “our people” mantra constantly trotted out when they want to paint a picture of a victimised and downtrodden people, the treaty settlement money has clearly only gone to a select few in maori who have got very rich off the back of “their people”, leaving “their people” to continue to beg of white middle new zealand. like others above, im fed up being conned and now give nothing im afraid.

  • timemagazine

    Most of these people in the photos look ver well fed.

    • Mick Ie

      Let’s hope we don’t follow the EUs new ruling that ‘obesity is a disability’. If that happens we will be paying compensation while they queue, waiting to receive free, donated food. Which will probably be over and above the benefit they may be on, otherwise I would have thought they would have been at work rather than in the food line…

  • Dairy_Flat

    Don’t loose sight of the fact that the Horrid has a lot to answer for here with it’s relentless pimping of the poor, obvious enthusiasm for annually trumpeting where the free stuff can be found, and how the numbers of “needy” are constantly rising. All in an effort to denigrate the government.

  • Not Clinically Insane

    Those who wail about poverty conveniently choose to ignore those who take advantage of what they don’t need. 85% of the crowd in that photo – at least – fit the latter

  • kiwirog

    There is no increase in poverty in nz, the employment statistics tell us this, but economics says if you give away stuff for free demand will increase each year. The only cost to taking stuff is the shame of needing welfare and the guilt associated with taking that which could go to other more needy people. Sadly, societal trends means these costs are now non existent to a large group of people. Bludging is now normalised.

    • mommadog

      Normalised and a way of life. Like those who beg on the streets. That is their chosen employment. If they put that energy into finding and keeping a job….
      Its an extension of an out of control social welfare system. As much as I get annoyed with the window washers on street corners at least they are doing something for their coin. Those lining up at the City Mission are doing nothing but waiting. It would be interesting to know how many turn up year after year as this is what you do at Christmas – like a holiday ritual.

      • WestieBob

        Except I imagine window washers are not declaring the income and are receiving welfare.

  • Keanne Lawrence

    Everybody likes freebees but the majority gain them most often with a purchase of some sort. A free 1gb of data for opting for particular network, a free cheese knife with a block of cheese or maybe a buy one get one free deal.
    Then there are those who seem would be prepared to walk over glass to get a freebee and in this case at the cost of those who really NEED help.
    No pride or shame will deter them and of course without any demands on their time quite happy to queue to reap the bounty.
    It makes it doubly hard for those proud people who struggle to accept hand outs when it is their last resort.

  • Tom McKechnie

    Campbell Live ran this story a few days ago. The tone was what makes people so desperate that they would queue on a city street at 4am.
    The reporter asked a number of people how long they had been in the queue, etc, however, far from seeing the ” desperate & the down & out “, I was struck by people who were there for free stuff. You know, ” It’s free & I might as well get some, otherwise someone else will “.
    We have all been in tough situations were living gets to be a bit of a struggle, but, we get through it knowing that we just have to accept it & work it out. We also recognise real need and sadly I didn’t see much of it in the city mission queues.

    • I.M Bach

      It comes as no surprise that Campbell hasn’t done a background story on a few of those in the queue. An investigative journalist he is not.

      • Tom McKechnie

        Agreed. It gets to me because Campbell Live should have done a lot better. It was like CL was trying to elicit real hard luck stories from the people queuing up, but the people weren’t forthcoming.

        I don’t abide anybody getting kicked when their down, but all I saw was a bunch of big kids lining up for free ice cream.

    • exactchange

      I believe that the particular day that was in the news was different to the usual. First, WINZ was on hand. Secondly apart from free food, some of it Christmassy, there is a present for each child in the family. So if the family has a lot of children, that is a lot of free presents and probably worth driving up from Hamilton. I don’t know for sure but I would think that WINZ is there to give some sort of validation, probably including the number of children in the family.

      • Tom McKechnie

        Your comments are spot on.
        I always hesitate because I don’t wish to come across as negative, when it comes to topics like this one. Maybe I’m being precious but, when I see kids in Africa, India, etc, I think how would you describe their situations compared to the supposed 250,000 NZ kids living in extreme poverty ?.
        I certainly don’t know.

  • Dumrse

    They won’t get a penny of mine until such time as they have a referral or validation process of some sort so as to weed out the free loading bludgers who are clearly not showing any form of poverty. Same applies for Xmas dinner. It’s a disorganised “free for all”.

    • Nyla

      there wouldnt be a line up at all, in that case … those that are struggling genuinely, would be too ashamed to lineup because these fatters have ruined it for them

    • SlightlyStrange

      I used to want to volunteer for the Wellington City Mission Christmas day dinner. But you had to “enrol” months and months in advance because they had so many volunteers.
      They haven’t been in the news so blatantly as the ACM, so perhaps they aren’t as bad? Anyone know?

  • no bullswool

    Makes me sick to see so many people taking advantage of others’ good will. My dear sister is raising an autist teenage son alone and every day is a struggle as she suffers from depression. She has very little. Yet she has never been to a food bank. We as a family do what we can to help, but there is always a shadow in the background, relapses.It’s a roller coaster.Often those truly in need are too proud to ask for help and were raised to ‘battle on’. The true Angels are all those families taking care of their own throughout the year.

  • BlitzkriegNZ

    We should all get together and do the right thing….. Donate a million pies and a million cans of v! Hand them out 10 per person, we’ll be giving Darwin a hand as well as the city mission. It’ll only take a couple years and there won’t be many of the fat bludgers left. Have a stash of healthy food for the genuinely needy, the bludgers won’t go near it so no worry.

    • Albert Root

      Add in a PS4 for each person, which would form the basis of a rigorous, personal fitness regime.

      • BlitzkriegNZ

        Nah all of those in ‘poverty’ already own ps3s! I must be in poverty too since I haven’t upgraded to the next gen.

        • SlightlyStrange

          Man, I must be really broke. We don’t own a playstation or an xbox at all, and we only got a Wii when the 2nd gen (don’t even know what its called) had already been released!

          • andrew carrot

            I’m sure Dotcom will back this approach to ensuring a rapid demise. Didn’t he admit only a couple of weeks ago that blobbing out in his bunker and playing computer games all day was killing him, or words to that effect?

  • Albert Root

    I’m sure that the woman in the middle of the picture, wearing a black check top, is the Hon Nanaia Mahuta! If not, there’s a chilling resemblance.

  • Orion

    I haven’t seen the latest pictures but I remember last year and the comments at work that all were brown and mostly fat and didn’t look like they were that hard up. Campbell is such a f..king sap and simply loves to promote brown people as hard done by, it truly makes me sick. His logic is all twisted and he’s a fully paid up member of the progressive, white, self loathing, anti colonial, pro anything brown, black or Muslim party. Why doesn’t he move to Britain where he can join up with Russel Brand’s ‘bring down the western hemisphere and install a communist party for the world’s poor and drink champagne and drive our Range Rovers party?

    • Aucky

      He won’t be moving anywhere soon Orion. Campbell is too well set up in his comfy NZ middle class lifestyle. He’s all talk no action and if he truly believes what he spouts then he would be out at the coalface (minus the ‘look at me’ cameras) detoxing drunks & druggies & helping out with the real crap that the social agencies have to deal to. Poncing around handing out bread rolls at a soup kitchen doesnt count.

  • Orion

    Funny how in the west near all poor people are fat while in third world or developing countries they’re all visibly very skinny. There’s no poverty or starving children in NZ only mostly brown people who think more about drink, drugs, gangs and making more babies and their apologists like Campbell, Labour, the Greens, mana party, Willy Jackson, Hone and Minto. And ll the rest of us don’t say a thing for fear of offending because they’re mostly brown and have a card to play called the race card; and being called racist shuts down all reasonable debate as they hold the moral high ground on everything.

  • taurangaruru

    There are two sides to this, sure the organisations are deluded if they think an increase in demand for their services equates to increasing poverty. It is blatantly obvious many of the patrons are turning up for the freebies. The other side relates to the patrons, where is their personal pride? There was a time (not so long ago) when people would have been highly embarrassed to go outside of their family to ask for help, there was a time when a family would have been offended to find one of their own struggling to feed their kids, yet here we are now with hordes of well fed (many would be termed obese) lining up happy to have photos taken & appear on the national news as they queue with their hands out. They should be pilloried for taking from the needy, Campbell should be scrutinising them not pushing sob stories designed to make the rest of us taxpayers feel embarrassed for not giving away more of our hard earned incomes to the idle.

  • conwaycaptain

    The Christmas lunch is cooked by volunteers at the RNZN Galley in Philomel so the Matelots are giving up their hols to help a load of bludgers.

  • Orion

    Where I work there’s plenty of Islanders who seem to spend most of their time looking for food, mostly other people’s. Challenge them at one’s own peril as then you take on the Maori and PI brown mafia and their sycophantic white appeasers.

    • Johnopkb

      At a guess, then, you’re a public servant?

    • I.M Bach

      Have a close look at either picture and play a game of ‘spot the honky’. Or is that racist?

      • tipotago

        It called in media ..if it bleeds it leads..and in NZ context if your brown and poor and on a benefit then Media picks up on it and blow everything out of the water! I mean no one cares about white middle aged men who have the highest need and more of them are in poverty? They are the invisible people in more need than those lining up.

    • tipotago

      At my work they Pacific and Maori people have their own food and buy it themselves at the tuck shop. They weren’t looking at ‘other’ people’s food. I mean what sort of comment is that Orion? Are you suggesting that they are always looking for food? you must work at a place where those people must be so desperate to look at other peoples food and so your experience is subjective without any concrete answers as to poverty or those pictured.

  • Cowgirl

    I would give to the City Mission if I thought it only went to the homeless/addicted/mentally ill etc because they (and the Sallies) do great work here, but every year I see footage of people like this queuing up and extracting the urine, and all because they can’t contain their gluttony at Xmas. The fact they are now letting tourist buses show up is further proof. There was a time a couple of years back when tourist buses showing up caused a furore, but if it’s becoming the norm, you can count me out.

  • Brian Badonde

    Many moons ago I worked for a food importer that had 10 or so 25kg broken bags of rice. I decided to donate these to the Auckland City Mission. So off I went in my suit to the City Mission. I parked out the front and was instantly abused by the three or 4 losers outside. Undeterred I walked inside and was given directions as to where to put it. I asked for assistance but was told none was available. There were clearly many beneficiaries standing around doing nothing. Still undeterred, one bag at a time, in my suit, I filled up their supply room. Not once did anyone offer to help.
    That was the last donation they ever got from me. The point I am trying to make here is that the staff who worked there didn’t have sense to rally up the troops to help me, help themselves. With an attitude like that how can you expect anything else.
    The city mission is a business. It receives grants and employs people. If they helped the people too much they would be out of a job.

    • twr

      It always seems ludicrous to me that they are always asking for volunteers at these places to help out. I would have thought that the one thing most of their customers aren’t short of is time.

      • andrew carrot

        Some are very busy. Quite a few run crime cells that operate in and around the CBD. For a long time a grossly overweight man sat outside the St James and ran a large gang of juvenile stair-walkers. Another criminal ‘celebrity’ basically runs the beggar community. These two know how the system works and frequently dine at the Mission, in between business meetings and trips to Auckland Central.

      • Cowgirl

        Perhaps before you get help from the Mission, you need to help out at the Mission in some way. I can’t believe how many people sit idle every day – there’s loads that could be done around the city.

    • waldopepper

      unfortunately i had a similar experience. our food company supplied 15 x 60 litre plastic tubs of unused hot soup from a large social function one xmas and all we asked when we dropped the soup in was that someone make sure we were called when the soup was finished with so that we could come in and collect our rather expensive soup tubs back. of course they said. (they were solid industrial cooking containers with taps at the bottom, and had cost us around $40 each, so $600 worth of capital). no phone call came and when we called to track them down and collect them no one could give a damn. “must have been thrown out” was the reply. we did a kind and generous thing and it cost us dearly, but it was the total indifference of anyone to even get up off their chairs and help locate our expensive capital items that was the real disappointment. ever since then when our staff have large amounts of leftovers at xmas social functions, which is frequently and would feed hundreds of people, and they suggest giving the food to the mission, i simply tell them no thanks, been there, done that, cant afford the losses, and we poor it down the sink or it goes in the garbage. once bitten twice shy im afraid. so the fact they are not being supported and cant make ends meet does not surprise me any more im afraid. my reaction is simply “meh”

    • David Peterson

      There is a second hand store that the City Mission runs next door, and the woman they have there which manages it has the most horrible attitude ever. Don’t think she has heard of the phrase “customer service” in her life? :-/

  • MAWG

    Top Photo, guy in the Grey hoodie with the Birds on it. Is that a Tablet PC in his right hand?

    • LesleyNZ

      I don’t know – maybe. I would love to have one of those but not priority for me.

    • Dave

      Yes, i believe so, you can make out the headphone port, he also appears to be carrying a note pad. Also the female in front of him in the Grey top, note the bottle of L&P, definately poor (poor choices that is, instead of the L&P why not a packet of noodles and 2 apples?). In contrast, our service team mostly come in to work with bottles they have refilled with water and frozen overnight. They are fairly well paid, but still cant afford soft drink.

  • andrewo

    Every free resource develops an infinite demand

    • andrew carrot

      Water vs Coca-Cola? I don’t think many of the desperate people in that queue are rushing off to replace their fizzy drinks with free water. Take a look at the bottom of the first photo.

  • Mav E Rick

    You took the words out of my mouth Cam. I see far too many fat people in that que therefore I think that I would be helping better by not donating hence there will be less food to go around and some of them may drop a couple of grams over the Christmas period. I cant understand how poor people can be fat. I guess being able to afford fast food to excess is regarded as being poor. I must have been extremely poor when a child. Boiled mince with mashed spuds, boiled cabbage and silver beet out of dad’s garden was a regular fare for us – yet we never, ever felt poor. We were never fat either!!

    • Andy Brown

      “Boiled mince with mashed spuds, boiled cabbage” mmm yum!

  • minnie

    This is a very serious question: Is there any way I can copy all this and post it on The Daily Blog “NZs new hobby, hating the poor”. Seriously, can I

    • damm good thrashing

      But these people are not poor.

  • Reaper

    What happened to pride?

  • Tom

    Theres a few in that pic that could use a good diet. Maybe give them vegetables.

    • Reaper

      Perhaps the City Mission should offer healthy salads only. The truly hungry would happily eat them. The others wouldn’t be interested in queuing.

    • damm good thrashing

      Give them nothing

  • tex pistol

    According to a European court obesity is a disability.

    • Andy Brown

      Does that include pot-guts?

  • waldopepper

    “Every donation to our Christmas Appeal will bring us a step closer to reaching our fundraising goal and will help make a meaningful difference to the lives of Auckland families living in desperate need,” the website reads.

    im sorry, but perhaps my definition of desperate need is different to those in the picture. then again, im old school, have been around a while, worked hard all my life, travelled, and seen true gut wrenching back breaking poverty. or what i would call desperate need. and this aint it im afraid.

  • Andy Brown

    I wonder, if a frail and stinky old man came into line, what would the reaction be? Would he be stared at? Given a look of disgust?

  • ken

    Aucklands title as a supercity is false,this area is a burden to the whole of nz,for the life of me i dont know why anyone would want to live there

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