Why do the Police keep insisting speed kills?

Yet again the Police are in the media claiming that speed kills.

It doesn’t.

There are literally thousands of race car drivers who are still alive who can attest tot he fact that speed doesn’t kill.

What kills is stupidity, and sudden stops into hard objects.

But the Police keep on insisting speed kills.

When you look at their examples too you find that in one of them that speed didn’t kill, in fact the driver is still alive.

One man was detected driving 240kmh on the Waikato Expressway before he was pulled over.

“This speed is simply reckless,” said Grace.

She said that at that speed it would take 12 seconds and 450 meters to stop – given that the vehicle was in good condition of course.

“If you are travelling at this speed, and something untoward happens up to 450 meters in front of you – the chances of you being involved in a collision are high.”

And the police mislead with those statistics…that is their calculation…what they don’t say is what sort of car it was, what sort of brakes and neither have they even tested to see if that is realistic, it is simply their guess. I’d like the Police to show me the statistics that show if you drive fast then you are more likely to be involved in a collision. I bet they don’t even have those statistics and are just making it up.

Needless to say though is that speed didn’t kill that driver.

In all the other instances they cite as examples there is no evidence that “speed kills”.

A man was killed in the Eastern Bay of Plenty when the car he was travelling in collided with a milk tanker at the intersection of SH2 and Wilson Rd near Paengaroa.

The car come out of Wilson Rd and turned right to travel north onto SH2 and collided with the tanker which was travelling south on SH2.

An intersection huh? Unlikely speed was a factor there…more like stupid decision to pull out in front of a 50 tonne milk tanker.

A 22-year-old Chinese student died on Saturday afternoon after the car he was driving collided with a campervan at Five Rivers, Southland, on Friday.

A camper van at speed? Come on…no one is going to believe that. Again no indication of “speed killing”.

A man died after a head-on collision near Tauranga the same day and a person was electrocuted following a crash in North Canterbury on Saturday.

No evidence of speed killing, and in one case it was fallen power lines that killed him not speed.

The final nail in the coffin of the Police efforts to slow everyone down…an increased road toll. It seems lack of speed kills not the other way around.

Last year 246 people were killed in road accidents. This year there have already been 285 deaths and with the New Year celebrations about to start, police hope that figure will not grow.

It will grow, because the Police are not focussing on the real issues…instead constantly claiming “speed kills”.

Forty more deaths than last year and a crack down on speeding running all year. I wonder if any real media will start joining dots and calling the Police on their bullshit.

 

– Fairfax

 


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  • No, the Police will keep doing what they always do: have a simple slogan and then just keep repeating it with limited further assessment. It will be nice when we stop giving them ‘discretion’ and have politicians with sufficient balls to actually pass realistic speed limits (particularly on roads that were designed for international conditions, aka 125km/h – 140km/h speeds).

  • Damon Mudgway

    The simple fact is ‘drivers kill’. Then there are contributory factors. It really is no different than saying ‘guns kill’.

    Whenever there is a human element in the equation, statistics are either your friend or your enemy.

  • OT Richter

    Perhaps all those race car drivers are still alive because they are in race cars with roll cages, 4-point harnesses, fire suppression and wear top of the line helmets….

    Some simple facts:

    – if you are travelling faster it takes longer to stop.

    – if you hit something whilst travelling at 110kph, you and or your car will sustain more damage than if you were travelling at 100kph. The energy involved is not linear.

    Have a good look at this:

    http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/saferroadsnsw/speeding_and_crashes.pdf

    Key point:

    “Does lowering speed limits really help decrease the risk and severity of a crash?

    Current and past research in Australia and internationally provides compelling evidence that increased travel speeds – even at low levels – are directly related to both the likelihood of a crash occurring and to the severity of crash outcomes.”

    • Hedgehog

      You are missing the point on a number of fronts. Yes the cars race car drivers use are custom built, but a race car driver needs skill to succeed.

      If you travel into a brick wall at 100K you are dead, if you hit it at a higher speed you are no deader.

      Any increase in speed will increase the likelihood of an accident if the driver is incompetent. We need to target the competency level not the speed.

    • sheppy

      Surely more effort needs to be put in to teaching drivers how to avoid hitting things. Lowering the forces of the impact will never
      be as effective as not having that impact in the first place.
      In a modern car restricting it to 100k leaves spare time for the mind to wonder and that’s when the problems happen, making the limit ever slower will only make lack of attention worse. The “safer speed area” on SH2 below Auckland where it drops to 90 is an example of this, complete with a nice long passing area for the revenue gatherers to sit in.

  • symgardiner

    As far back as 1992 it has been common knowledge that increasing speed limits does not lead to more deaths…

    “Lowering speed limits below the 50th percentile does not reduce accidents, but does significantly increase driver violations of the speed limit. Conversely, raising the posted speed limits did not increase speeds or accidents.” -http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/sl-irrel.html

    It’s simply revenue gathering and covering for a failure to deliver on higher vehicle safety standards, poor driver training and standards and mostly poorly designed roads. Fortunately the Nats have been sorting the later – against much pressure from the Gweens and Lairbor.

  • Hedgehog

    No, the media won’t call for the police to justify their speeding stance. It’s not speed it’s incompetence and stupidity. But it’s hard to measure statistically so it’s not ever going to be a campaign.
    I would feel much safer as a passenger at 150k with a professional race car driver at the helm, than I would be with Joe Normal at 80K. But the race car driver is targeted as unsafe.
    Same with drink driving, I’d rather be with a competent driver who is over the limit than an incompetent driver with no alcohol. And there are heaps of very bad drivers out there sober, slow and dangerous but never targeted by police.

    • ex-JAFA

      With every driver being significantly better than average (go on, ask around – you won’t find any who declare themselves to be average or worse), a campaign asking poor drivers to slow down won’t get cut through.

      • Hedgehog

        That’s the problem, Most people believe they are good drivers. As long as the police target speed rather than incompetence they will never know how bad they really are. And we will continue to follow them shaking our heads in bewilderment.

  • Very simplistic take on the issue. There are many factors involved in road speed deaths. A significant part of it is technological, cars are better designed to keep the occupants alive in a crash, crumple zones, seat restraints, airbags etc etc, So while increasing speed limits won’t necessarily increase deaths, the much more interesting statistic is does it cause more accidents in total?

    In regard to that numpty doing 240km/hr, by the time his reaction time is taken into consideration, if he needs to stop in a hurry he would need to start braking half a km away, how any roads in NZ give clear line of sight for that distance? Its the roads themselves in this country that are rapidly becoming the limitation on speed

    • johcar

      How many roads in NZ could this numpty actually achieve 240km/h? I posit, very few. And of those, the Waikato Expressway is possibly one of the safer places to achieve those kinds of speeds (other holiday traffic notwithstanding – that’s where the ‘numpty’ part comes in)

      • Dave

        If I was to look into it, my answer would be many, particularly those in the south island, deserted, no cross roads, no farm entries etc. I’m not saying i have done that speed, and not suggesting anyone should, but it is possible. Speed is not the issue, its the sudden stop due to unforseen issues, and the inability to react or stop in time. Lets just restrict speed ot 10 km/H in any vehicle, with todays technology that means almost zero injury, apart from death by bordom on those long kiwi trips.

  • Wallace Westland

    The continued use of manipulated statistics is a given. The police and the touchy feely people that are determined to rule over every aspect of our lives and safety will not be swayed by common sense.
    They have mean manipulating data for years and the MSM then happily reports it as fact.
    For instance a few years ago the NZ Herald reported (going off memory here so stats aren’t accurate but they will be in the ball park) that trucks were involved in 17% of road fatalities. Now that seemed a bit odd to me (having some background in trucks) so I did some research.
    Turns out what they didn’t say was of those 17% of fatalities less than 2% had the blame attributed to the truck driver.

    However the statistic makes a staggering headline and of course appeals to all those who believe trucks should only be allowed on the roads
    At night
    At 50kmp unless they are behind it in which case it should pull over and stop

    In the left hand lane
    On any road they aren’t living on

    • My partner and i were talking about this exact issue just the other day. After a bit of research, we came to the conclusion that its not that the trucks are involved in more accidents than they used to in comparison to the km they drive per year, just that when they do become involved in an accident death is much more likely, so they make it to the news. The car vs car or car vs stationary object crashes are now far less likely to cause serious injury or death so we don’t hear about it as much. The same logic applied to car vs motorcycles, they are no more likely to happen now than they used to be, but because the accidents are much more likely to result in deaths, we hear about them more.

  • oldmanNZ

    a person walking at 5km/hr gets killed by walking into traffic, he should have slowed down at 4km/h and would have had a chance to avoided traffic.

    same logic I guess.

  • Hard1

    This “Revenue Creep” is not just refined to Policing. The Government across the board including Local Bodies are starting to resemble Corporate Raiders. All of us suckers are being plundered for ever increasing fees, fines, taxes, taxes on taxes, rates, bank charges, licensing. It’s a long list.
    Think about this. Those instigating these spurious methods of revenue gathering are paid by us. We pay their wages, we pay their PAYE, we pay their Kiwisaver. All so they can sit down and figure out new ways to systematically and sadistically rort the public.

  • Michael_l_c

    A few years ago at xmas we had a huge increase in the road toll, with happy holidays 4km tolerance police ignore that. Police will claim the favourable statistical blip but not the negatives. Takes too much time & effort to police in the rural areas and as for cars pulling out in front of logging trucks & tankers, well can’t say much about that. Keep an eye on the fatals around Tauranga to get an idea of what is going on.

    Have a think about the decrease in fatal crashes between Ak & Hamilton since the new express/motor-way was built. Bet the police take the credit for that. What about all the central dividers on the motorways? 30 years ago there were few dividers but many deaths.

    Commiserations to the families & respect to the emergency services that attend.

    Statistics, lies, statistics, lies.

    I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

  • Backdoor

    However, racing drivers are not 18 year olds who have do not have a history of training at driving fast. Most of those who make the ranks of racing drivers start off racing go-carts before their 8th birthday. They serve an apprenticeship by working their way up the ranks to faster cars.

    In todays society there is nothing to stop an 18 year old who has owned his driver’s license for a week from buying and driving a high powered road car.

    All I can say is thank you to the Police for putting some restrictions around the speed drivers can legally travel at.

    • sin-ic

      Many years ago a limit was placed on the engine size of motor-bikes for new licence riders for a set period of time. I have never ceased to understand why the same was not done for cars for new drivers at the same time,

      It should be on a vehicle’s power output nowadays since engine technology has progressed incredibly. One current model has 335bhp coming from 2 litres, and it is an ‘off the floor’ car!

      • FredFrog

        We need to adopt the model they use in Victoria, Australia. P Platers are not permitted to drive vehicles over a certain power rating, etc. etc.

        If starting driving at the usual age, they only achieve a completely unrestricted license at age 21.

        • Dave

          That model is almost universal in Aussie now. Too many accidents of some little darling driving dads Porsche or V8 Falcon. The learners have two stages of learners licences. Most interesting point, not even allowed to use a hands free
          phone.

          Full details here, note, this is for Australia.

          http://www.nrmasaferdriving.com.au/licence-restrictions.htm

  • Chris EM

    I got my license to drive in the late seventies, passed no problems. However there was no way I could control a motor car if something went wrong. Mucking around on gravel roads and showing off to mates brought on a number of sphincter clenching moments and sudden increases in heart rate. Nowadays I know how to handle things, but that was learnt on public roads over the years.
    It’s still the same today. Sure, it takes longer to get a license now, but people still aren’t taught how to drive properly, or what to do when things go wrong. Just look at the amount of highly capable cars that are written off by young drivers these days, you have to be a complete moron to lose control of an AWD Subaru or similar on a sweeping bend, yet it happens regularly.
    It’s time for the government to get some balls, get proper driver training out of the cupboard where each successive government has been hiding it, and implement it.
    Then maybe we can go back to cruising the open roads at 120 without fear of being taxed, just like the old days.

    • Well said. I like the model the aviation industry uses for its training, step by simple step. By the time you get to your Private Pilots License, your instructors know you very well and can vouch that you are indeed a “fit and proper person”. You also know every aspect of that plane and have at least basic knowledge of how to handle most emergency situations and are confident enough to improvise what you have no training in. Yet on the road there are people that can’t drive a manual car, handle a slippery road, know what to do if the engine stops while travelling and what they will lose if it does or even in the worst cases know how to change a tyre or check the oil and water.

  • BlitzkriegNZ

    What’s just as bad is the completely retarded ‘people make mistakes, slow down’ campaign. The ad attacks the driver for going 5 over the limit on what looks like a nice open straight road and takes away all accountability of the idiot who pulls out infront of him. It’d be nice if they started laying the blame where it should be instead of saying it’s ok if you’re a retard, it’s the other guys fault for not accounting for your stupid.

    • Wallace Westland

      Pretty much my opinion when it comes to cars with “Baby on Board” stickers.
      They’re advertising their own incompetence as a driver and asking the rest of us to make allowances for them.

      • caochladh

        The original intent of the “Baby on Board” stickers was to alert authorities to look for a baby in the event of an accident and before the vehicle was towed to the panel beaters yard. Now, its just a fashion statement.

        • FredFrog

          Yup. In the UK, there were no “Baby on Board” stickers, they were all suction cup mounted. Emergency services were obliged to keep on searching for the baby in the case of a crash, and the signs were not permitted if there were no babies in the vehicle.

          Unfortunately, a member of the emergency services lost their life trying to rescue a baby that wasn’t there in a car fire, because the stupid parent had not removed the sign when they dropped the child off at childcare.

    • jonno1

      Did anyone else notice that that TV ad was pulled for a few months right after the tragic Taupo accident involving tourists pulling out of a side road? Now it’s back (sigh).

  • Rosco

    Sorry Cam I object! I know that you can be fairly “broad” in some of your statements – and generally I think “fair enough” – even when I may not agree. However this time you have pushed the boundaries too far. SINCE WHEN ARE THE MSM THE “REAL” MEDIA!! Please wash your mouth out – WOBH is the “real” media – btw merry xmas from the far south :)

  • Bob D

    “I’d like the Police to show me the statistics that show if you drive
    fast then you are more likely to be involved in a collision. I bet they
    don’t even have those statistics and are just making it up.”

    You’re closer to the truth than you think. There is a university in NZ (VUW) that seems to exist purely for the purpose of pumping out whatever junk pseudoscience the government of the day wishes to buy, be it climate science, anthropology (history of Maori), or road science.

    The statement that the collision risk increases with each km/h increase is just such an example. Of course, the police will trot out all sorts of fancy papers to back up their claims, but it’s worth having a close look at where the papers come from.

  • bart jackson

    There has been a glaringly obvious factor in the road toll so far that the media (and Police) seem not to pick up on, which is foreign drivers not competent for our driving conditions. The fatality down south car v campervan, Asian female driver, the fatality car v tanker in Tauranga, Indian male driver, the other fatality near tauranga a male in a rental (possibly a foreign tourist?). Looks like a trend to me??

    • Betty Swallocks

      The fatality down south was at the intersection of SHs 6 and 97 – it’s the route from Te Anau to Queenstown – there are often smashes there involving tourist-driven vehicles.

    • Mikev

      Bollocks…this a beat up by the media. The fatality in a rental car was a local (not speeding) Who says the Indian & the Asian were foreigners. None of these accidents has been reported as caused by speed. All caused by things the police don’t seem interested in: Poor driving/decision making, lack of attention & driving when tired.

    • Skydog

      Swiss driver on the Kaikoura coast as well (not fatal but serious injury).

  • Pete

    So you have an accident at 100kph and thats fine, but at 101 kph it was the speed wot done it!??..

  • taurangaruru

    Driver inattention is by far the biggest contributing factor in motor vehicle crashes – but how do you police this?
    Far easier to pick a measurable factor such as speed. I think you will find the intent of the current enforcement of speed is to try to encourage drivers to be more focused on their driving & therefore pay attention to what they are doing.

    • OneTrack

      They now want you to concentrate on what you speedo is indicating, to the nearest 1kph, instead if getting your mind outside of the car and looking at what other traffic is doing, road conditions, etc.

      This is just short-sighted idiocy. And I wont be surprised if we have a jump in accidents as a result.

  • Not Clinically Insane

    It’s simply laziness on the part of the Police. Everything they say and do these days is aimed at us being a compliant state of people, its almost an affront to them when they have to do anything!

  • sin-ic

    1kph over is impossible to prove. GPS or police radar. The below comments will provide “reasonable doubt” if it goes to court.
    1. Most if not all car speedometers from new indicate 100kph at a true 95 kph.
    2. The reading will vary as the tires wear so the rolling radius reduces the number rotations per km to maintain a set speed will increase.
    3. Many cars will have fitted different tyres to the manufacturers original recommendation. Low volume sales of some sizes often gets them deleted from the tyre manufacturers catalogues and substitutes of as near similar size will be fitted. These will also affect the readout.
    That’s why the original 10kph ‘tolerance’ was accepted. The holiday reduced tolerance speed is difficult. Just don’t let the speedometer get over 105kph or pay the consequences.

    • caochladh

      Too true, and it doesn’t help when the speedo goes up in 20 kph increments and the needle covers five of those.

  • cows4me

    “Why do police keep insisting speed kills” for the same reason politicians insist global warming is real, it brings in the bread.

  • HR

    Speed is easy to detect, easy to blame, and most importantly, easy to fine….

  • Chris W

    Bollocks – Kiwis drive too fast and too stupidly. I’m all for the cops being strict with speed limits.

    • Chris EM

      Too fast? Bollocks.

      • FredFrog

        Too stupidly? Absolutely.

    • Hedgehog

      Yep, and you probably drive in the fast-lane at 95. Or the bloke that blocks the passing lane doing 99. Good on ya.

    • Nige.

      Not generally. Some people do. I was stuck behind several cars doing 80 in a 100 zone for 20kms last night. When ever I passed the one in front there was another one a few hundred meters ahead that was doing 80 also.

      Had had to do a double take to make sure the road between Blenheim and Picton hadn’t had the speed limit dropped.

      • Skydog

        I always make sure to over take on the straight before Tuamaria other wise it can be a long dive to Koromiko stuck behind that tourist.

    • Mikev

      Why? its doing nothing to reduce serious accidents.

  • Dr Wang

    Media reports say the 225kmh Waikato expressway speedster was in a Ford Falcon XR8.

  • steve and monique

    There are so many factors involving accidents. Stupidity, poor skills, road conditions, vehicle condition, fatigue, distraction, alcohol, and speed ( stopping distance, or excessive.), etc. Just saying speed kills is broad, and off the mark. Race drivers dont have cars going in the opposite direction, or pulling out from side roads etc, so comparing them to everyday drivers is pointless. Guess if they said “Stupidity kills”, people may get up in arms, but it does make more sense for most crashes.

  • What’s the bet that the recent reduction in the blood alcohol level will not reduce the number of serious accidents either.
    But it is almost certain to increase the number and $$$ of fines.

    • sheppy

      The reduction is all about being seen to be doing something, it came from the lefties getting a majority to pass it resulting in National putting it through to deny them the headlines. It’ll make money, lose bars money, and acheive nothing else. The people driving and crashing drunk will just be more times over the new limit for the same amount of alcohol.
      Another civil liberty eroded….

  • Mikev

    The issues are all around poor driving skills and a lack of policing of actions that can & do cause accidents. Failing to indicate, failing to keep left on motorways & other 2 or more lane highways (blocking the fast lane), discouraging people from “getting on with it” when overtaking, poor overtaking decisions etc etc. Tickets for 5km over the speed limit will do nothing to stop serious accidents.

    • Albert Lane

      Yes, I wonder who the police think they’re kidding by saying that speed kills. I’ll believe that when I see proper statistics about accidents and crashes in NZ. I believe that a sober and experienced driver doing 110 kmh on the open road in clear traffic conditions is no danger to the public. I believe that any drunk or drugged driver with no licence driving at 30 kmh is a danger to the public. So where are the true statistics? What are the real reasons for crashes in NZ? Could it be due to the slow drivers who fail to allow others to overtake? Could it be the tailgaters? Could it be the drunks? Could it be the tourists who are used to driving on the other side of the road? So here’s the challenge to the Police. Tell us the truth. And when you have done that, start to do proper policing of the roads. We’re waiting…. waiting…….. waiting………

    • Steve (North Shore)

      Failing to indicate and then being lectured annoys me. I have been reprimanded for this. When there are no other cars anywhere indicating is a bit like talking to yourself – except the cop hiding behind the bushes really really needed to know where I was going. No fine, just wasting my time and being a control freak

  • Albert Lane

    On a recent visit from Auckland to the Bay of Plenty and back, I saw enough bad driving to turn me grey. Passing on double yellow lines. Convoy of about six cars north of Matamata all doing 75 kmh and taking up a huge distance of roadway. Drivers doing 80 kmh on the silly 90 kmh highway between the Auckland motorway and the Thames turnoff. Drivers not indicating turns. Tailgating. Cars being driven sedately in the “fast lane” on the motorway when there was plenty of room in the other lanes. And the shopping traffic using the open highways on either side of Tauranga, and ambling along at 60 kmh. And how many cop cars did we see? None. We desperately need to return to the days of the Ministry of Transport traffic cops. I know that John Banks had the best of intentions when he mooted that MOT and NZ Police combine, but it hasn’t worked. There are no local policemen any more to give tickets to those driving through stop signs, ticketing expired registration and stopping cars with noisy or smoking exhausts, and ticketing drivers who are texting or on the phone (and there are plenty of them). Where are the cops? Yes. Where are the cops?

    • kiwisnab

      When going that way I keep on the Waikato expressway and head east at Ohinewai until Tahuna, you meet up wit the 27 at swamp road and can continue east or south – avoids the 90 k bit

      • sheppy

        That’s a good tip, I hate that boring 90K bit especially the cops sitting on the badly signposted passing lane where you aren’t sure whether its 90 or 100

        • Albert Lane

          I’m pretty sure it’s a 90k passing lane, but I do 100. It’s an excellently-constructed passing lane after all, and it should have a 100 km limit. I would really like to identify the name of the idiot who decided that the passing lane should be speed restricted, as it’s your only chance to get past the people doing 75 on that awful road. There is also another excellent passing lane in the Dome Valley area south of Wellsford. And some idiot has decided the whole stretch of road, and the passing lane should be 80 k. It’s probably because so many drunken drivers drive that road from Whangarei to Auckland. But of course they’re never caught, because they only check speeds on that road – not driving behaviour. And that’s what our cops have become. People who check traffic speed.

      • Albert Lane

        Thanks kiwisnab. Have made a note of the route for my next trip. The 90 k section is a travesty. I wonder who in Wellington dreamed that up. I used to have a lot of respect for those who make the regulations. Now, to my regret, I have none at all. And I should add that in almost 60 years of driving, I have never even had a parking ticket, let alone a traffic ticket.

  • Nebman

    The police learned a long time ago that the important part of the road toll figures is the general trend. In short the figures will spike up and down (as any statistician will tell you). The thing that cheeses me off is if it goes down, they claim it’s as a result of their efforts and if it goes up, it’s a direct result of us trying to kill ourselves with total disregard to their message.

    Just be honest with your message. Should not be too hard given your profession?

    Surely?

  • Backdoor

    The reason I am happy travelling at 90kph is that it allows me a split second more to take evasive action when the idiot, who can’t drive for nuts gets into trouble.

    With the idiots who seem to populate our roads we need all the edge we can gain when faced with an emergency situation.

    • TreeCrusher

      Why not do 70 km/hr then? And do you pull over and let people past that do not self impose an arbitrary factor of safety such as yourself? I will assume you don’t. You know that you are breaking the law by driving in such a manner, it’s just our police choose not to enforce that particular piece of legislation?

      • Nic C

        My money’s on his answer being ‘No’ TreeCrusher… and ‘Yes’ to they feel it’s their right to stubbornly sit in the right-hand lane to enforce so as to enforce the speed limit on every other drive one the road. Ironically, these delightful types also fall into the same ‘idiot’ category they themselves referred to.

      • Backdoor

        That is where you are wrong Treecrusher. i do several things like checking the rear view mirror to see if there are vehicles behind me., pulling over where possible to let traffic past, and slowing to 80kph where there are passing lanes. I am more than happy for the idiots to rush on past. The ones I worry about are those coming the other direction.

        • TreeCrusher

          If you are unable to maintain 100 Km/hr on a clear, dry day on a good piece of road I would say you are the person being the idiot not somebody “speeding” past at the speed limit. Do you have any idea how frustrating driving like that is to everybody around you?

          If you are that concerned about being in an accident I suggest you you seek some help from a phsycholigist.

          • Backdoor

            Maximum speed for heavy trucks is 90kph on the open road. So no problem.

          • TreeCrusher

            No, because you speed limit is 100 km/hr so you are adding one more impediment to the natural flow of traffic that should not otherwise be there.

            Does it not concern you that your driving is the source of frustration to do many people? Also how would you feel if I chose to travel at 70 km/hr in front of you for the exact same reason as you want to travel at 90 km/hr?

          • Backdoor

            I would stop and have a coffee and a smoke so as to let you get well ahead.

          • TreeCrusher

            What about how your actions frustrate so many people, does that not concern you?

  • Skydog

    107 people drowned in NZ during 2013 at the same time 246 were killed on the roads. There are a hell of a lot more people on the roads every day than swimming. If its all about saving lives, why are the police not investing more in maritime and water safety?

    • Lord Evans

      Yeah good point, perhaps it’s because there’s not many ‘roads’ at sea where they can put speed cameras and fill the coffers?

  • damm good thrashing

    As long as the police continue to lurk behind bushes nabbing honest citizens going a couple of K’s over the limit instead of catching the small percentage of real speeders, usually on country roads, the toll will not come down

  • Tom

    The car he was travelling in collided with a tanker ? Aye if he was driving it was him not the dam car that caused the accident.

  • SJ00

    I think its stupid to compare our road toll from year to year and try to come to any sort of conclusion. Accidents aren’t typically repeated. As Cam pointed out, a big focus on speed kills this year including this stupid zero tolerance rule (which is making people do 70 on SH1 from Wellington upwards) and yet the roll toll is higher. So whats the reasoning? You can never pin it down to one simple thing. You can have one good year and claim you are making a difference and the next year (such as this) it goes to pot and your argument is out the door.
    Distractions in the car, poor driver skill, not enough passing lanes, idiots behind the wheel (drunk, drugged, teenage, bad drivers) are all more of a problem than driving sometimes over the speed limit. Heck power lines even kill.
    Lets just say driving can be dangerous, there are alot of factors that can end your life in the blink of your eye and everyone should just be as careful as they can.

  • LesleyNZ

    Frequently checking the speedometer to make sure you are not going over 100kmh is very distracting – especially in car like mine where the bolded kms are based on European speed limits so it is the 90 and 130 that you notice first (the 100 is often just a dash) and you have to look carefully and for longer at what speed you are actually going.

  • viking

    Second Indian killed in the Wilson Rd crash. As you can see by asking Mr google there is a STOP sign at the intersection.https://www.google.co.nz/maps/place/Wilson+Rd+S,+Paengaroa+3189/@-37.8055331,176.4221353,3a,15y,17.09h,87.04t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s_FEQU-eTxbv-mIfVa3YPxg!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x6d6e7b349031b293:0x57911885c132956d?hl=en
    Now as he was turning right into the sun could have been a sun strike but we ain’t seen much sun in the last few days. Driver error.

  • viking

    Went from Rotorua to Tauramanui today. About 5 km up the road across from the Waipa mill turnoff, low and behold a camera car. Just about no traffic on the road. Nothing other than tax collecting. No other reason for it. Sneaky bastard was just over the rise on a left hand curve.

  • Vaughan

    Same old mantra year in, year out. why not better training, building better roads? Might not be as good for the consolidated fund, but what price life?

  • david

    The two main issues relating to speed are the energy dissipated and the stopping distance. The potential energy in the vehicle

  • Whitey

    This holiday period I’ve seen worse driving behavior than ever before. Dangerous overtaking, people pulling out of side roads when they really shouldn’t, people doing 70 – 80 on the motorways (but speeding up to 110 when they see a passing lane. Seriously, why do the morons do this?) What has changed this year? Only the lower speed tolerance. Paranoid people don’t make good drivers, and when you spend all your time watching your speedo you’re not watching the road.

  • Claire Kelly

    The speed kills thing started off with a comparison of the same collision at different speeds. It was the faster you were going when you crashed the more likely you were to die. If you didn’t crash you were all good. Kind of like parachuting without a parachute. It isn’t the fall that kills. It is the stopping at the bottom. On average ppl seem to drive at 80kph these days. Anyone unhappy with that becomes an aggressive driver who takes risks.

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