Sign that Islamist Extremism has already won

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How about having to hide in your own country?

British soldiers have been warned not to wear their uniform outside barracks amid fears of a Woolwich copycat attack.

They have also been told not to let strangers know that they are serving in the British Army.

Whitehall officials are understood to have noticed increased ‘chatter’ among jihadists wanting to carry out a beheading or other high-profile attack on a serving soldier.

Fanatics have been carrying out internet searches for the location of army barracks across the country to identify targets, the Mail has learnt.

The threat level for the armed forces has been raised from ‘substantial’ to ‘severe’, meaning a terrorist attack on military personnel is highly likely.

But commanders have told soldiers to act as if the threat is ‘critical’ – the highest level of terrorism alert – and to be ready for an imminent attack.

Haven’t the terrorists already won?

Politicians said military personnel should not be forced to ‘hide away’ by not wearing their uniform proudly in public.

Labour MP John Woodcock said: ‘Our military personnel will understandably follow the immediate safety advice they are given but ministers must understand people want our brave troops to be loud and proud in their communities, not being forced to hide away.

‘It would be a stomach-churning victory for the terrorists if their cowardly attacks resulted in a permanent ban on our servicemen and women displaying their uniforms in public.’

It seems that Britain has got to the point where it is no longer able to “Keep Calm and Carry On”.

The enemy is within.   And with armed forces cowering.

Is civil war inevitable?

– Daily Mail

 


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  • RightofSingapore

    The British are now reaping what they have sown, cowardice has consequences.

    • Salacious Crumb

      Hence the rise of the ultra right wing in Britain. It was only a matter of time. Things are going to get very ugly over there and soon.

      • conwaycaptain

        And the ULTRA Right in Europe. Even the Swedes are now waking from their apathy as they have to have a new election.
        I think that bloke in Norway who shot all those kids is just the tip of the iceberg for the Far Right.

  • wooted

    Let them carry loaded weapons in public. I haven’t noticed any Israeli soldiers being attacked by knife-wielding jihadis.

  • conwaycaptain

    Look out for the attacks on married quarters. Then it will get down and dirty. The Brits will say enough is enough and let fly

  • conwaycaptain

    Report in the DT that the UK is now positioning troops East of Suez permanently for the first time in 40 years. I trust that they will now start expanding their Armed Forces again.
    In the UK British troops move in pairs and carry side arms.
    At least the IRA didn’t attack Army married quarters. It is about time that the UK and other Govts got down and dirty with these buggers

    • Evan

      The British armed forces didn’t wear uniforms outside of bases and camps either during the height of that period in history of the IRA being active. All vehicles entering British bases were checked thoroughly for bombs etc. as well.
      The US has recent experience of this kind of event as well but they’ve all been servicemen so far so how do you stop them?

  • intelligentes candida diva

    There is little more to say to this post but thank you WOBH for continuing to raise awareness in NZ that this is not some mild one off event but an insidious systematic approach.
    I hope NZ government is taking note and regardless of what side of the table they all sit that they realise we require ( &I want) robust strategies NOW so we do not end up like Britain…this has become surreal

  • Nige.

    how about the british just get on with it and declear war on “traitors to the flag” and pass legislation the ability of troops to carry arms and enter into combat with those who would “try it on”.

    if a country is not prepared to allow its army to defend itself then it may as well lay down its guns and roll over…. and wait to be beheaded.

  • Dog Breath

    Somehow I don’t think Britian is alone. There has to be a reason why legislation is being rushed when it would be so much easier not to.

  • Bruce S

    The sign that Islamist extremism has already won will be when we are all praying to Allah 5 times a day. Until then; the opportunities to expunge this devil are still wide open.

  • Dave_1924

    hmmmm….. Serving soldiers should be trained and able to handle a knife weilding opponent. Guns different matter but hiding is not the solution. hiding is giving into fear and the Brits are tougher than that – soldiers should wear their uniforms in public and the British public should support them if they see any attack.

    If the intent is to foster unrest in the UK then jihadists are going the right way about it… but the consequence may not be what they expect.

    Time for those in the UK to stand up and dob these ratbags in – especially the moderate Muslims who claim not to support Jihadist objectives…

    • intelligentes candida diva

      From my perspective I do not think it is giving into fear, rather it is a quick fix strategy to avoid damage/carnage to a threat because they are now in reactive mode instead of proactive as a result of passiveness and placating through being so PC

      • Dave_1924

        I disagree ICD. Its Politicians giving into fear. Frankly the troops should be encouraged to remain in uniform and confront this threat. Maybe the should all be ordered to carry a sidearm at all times for self defence againsy these loonies… but the Left wingers would jump on it as a sign of a fascist state emerging…

        I know what you’re saying but I don’t think allowing some demented Jihadists pumping out chatter on the internet should casue you to change the way you conduct your affairs… for all we know the chatter maybe a deliberate fear tactic with no intent to carry out the attack… i.e. disinformation to put the British off balance and focus in the wrong areas…

        • intelligentes candida diva

          That is my point Dave_1924, they should not be changing but to say the change is giving in to fear I believe is not the causal factor for this decision. I think its a reaction to nil forethought planning to deal pro actively to a threat. However I do believe it will now evoke fear. I dont even think the politicians decisions are due to giving into fear, I think they are now scrambling to save their butts through extreme tactics to avoid any carnage.
          Pre emptive tactical planning is what is required they didnt do it because they were what I say, the triple P = passive, placating and PC too late for them but not yet for NZ :-)

          • Dave_1924

            Ahh – see what you’re saying. And agree the political command haven’t work through this since Lee Rigby was murdered.

            And you’re probably right its the whole political structure in the UK has succumbed to Post Colonial Guilt. This has allowed non British values to be given precedence over British values at all times – the very core of political Correctness

            I’ll be observing it all closely from February when I have moved base to the UK….

          • intelligentes candida diva

            I have been doing a “wee” google and the only article of any interest is the link below Dave _1924 & if I understand you correctly highlights both your and my points
            Britain is in disarray with this issue so may it be a fast learning curve for NZ to avoid a similar situation.
            Oops edit added link
            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/27/terror-experts-fear-uk-action-from-isis-fanboys

          • intelligentes candida diva

            Well if you are in the forces God speed and take care, I have family in Army in NZ

          • Dave_1924

            No not in the forces… just respect the role they do a great deal, as I had Uncles who served during WWII.

            obseving closely refers to the fact i will be living in the UK from February and will be watching these stuff at first hand

          • Albert Lane

            I don’t know where you’ll be based, but if you’re living outside London, you’ll inevitably spend a lot of your leisure time visiting that wonderful city. When you go shopping in Oxford Street, when you get to Marble Arch you’ll find that Hyde Park is just across the road to your left, and Edgeware Road is just across the road to your right. Hyde Park on a Sunday looks like an Islamic meeting place. Edgeware Road is so full of Muslim shops and restaurants, you’ll think you’re in another country. That will give you a good start to seeing the immense problem that successive British governments have caused by allowing a hugely disproportionate number of these people into their country.

        • colinrippey

          Add a web belt to the uniform, have the folks go into town in uniform, wearing the web belt, job pretty much done. (easy to doff, nice, heavy brass fittings, about a meter of self defence weapon).

  • phronesis

    This will sound incredibly harsh, but if a serviceman is attacked and killed by these scum it will at least make it harder for all those who continue to pretend that there is no problem. If it turns the tide of political opinion then they won’t have died in vain.

    • Wendy

      But one already has been.

    • kloyd0306

      The only reaction that radical jihaadists understand is HARSH.
      As long as governments pussyfoot around the problem, the jihaadists will simply see it as weakness.
      The one thing that jihaardists can and do rely on is general apathy.

    • Albert Lane

      Until the British politicians do something positive to discourage terrorist activities in Britain, it would be less than useless to have off-duty soldiers in uniform or in civilian clothing strutting around public areas with pistols and sub-machine guns. The British government has the power to enact legislation that would imprison terrorists for the rest of their natural life or execute them, and in the case of immigrants, expel their families to their original place of origin. There are a lot of options open to severely punish those who plan or carry out terrorist acts. But I think you’ll have to wait for a change of government before anything is done. As much as I dislike the UKIP party, they won’t put up with any nonsense from extremists and budding terrorists.

  • mike

    This is nothing new. Talk to any brit service person and they’ll tell you they rarely wear uniform outside of camp. They wear civies to work and home again.

    It’s been that way ever since the troubles in Ireland. You can’t blame this one of Islam sorry.

    The guys who moved here and joined the NZ army were amazed that we wore our uniforms some openly.

    • Wahbonnah

      That’s because we live in a benign environment apparently.

  • Tony

    We should allow our soldiers to wear side arms when out in uniform.

    • Albert Lane

      Unfortunately there are security problems in allowing off-duty soldiers in uniform to carry weapons of any type. Many of those soldiers will be going home to their families. Then what? Do they have to lock the weapon away in one cabinet and the working parts in another cabinet? And don’t you think that the children will want to play with the weapons? And any aspiring terrorist or bank robber will target military homes to get the weapons and the ammunition. No. It’s best that weapons are secured after the soldier has completed their day’s duties. Otherwise, the problems will really start.

      • Sam

        Soldiers are better trained and more disciplined than police. Remember that if you include considerations for terrorists in your day-to-day decisions, they have won. If terrorists want to target something just because you put it there, use it as a lure. Root them out of hiding and put them somewhere they do not present a risk.

        • Albert Lane

          Sam, you may be correct. But I was a soldier for over 20 years including over a year on active service in South East Asia, and a period of service with the British Army in Germany during the Cold War with Russia, and our training and discipline is very different to that of the police. You also have to remember that soldiers are usually not trained in the use of side-arms unless there is a special need. Despite what you see in the movies, a lot of people couldn’t hit the side of a barn with a pistol. And if an off-duty soldier shoots an ethnic person dead in the street without witnesses, you’ll simply get a repeat of what’s happening in the States at the moment. My advice to off-duty soldiers in Europe would be to wear civvies. No sense in putting yourself or your family at risk. That’s why the police are trained in such matters.

    • mike

      You obviously haven’t met many soldiers.

  • idbkiwi

    The Swedish police recently released a map of 55 areas where they publicly admit to having surrendered control to the criminal gangs. These areas have long had problems with mailmen, fire trucks and ambulances being attacked when trying to enter, which has led to them routinely requesting police escort. Now it’s the police being attacked outright.

    These areas are predominantly populated by immigrants from muslim countries with low education and even lower employment rates.

    http://swedenreport.org/2014/10/29/swedish-police-55-official-no-go-zones/

  • Albert Lane

    The writing is on the wall in the UK. The next general election will probably result in a change of government to the UKIP Party. They seem to be well to the right of the Conservative coalition, and they are already flexing their muscles. When they do take power, they will stop the current pussy-footing that afflicts the current government.

  • thehawkreturns

    With Dutch politicians now calling in parliament for the closing of all mosques it will not be long before mass deportations begin. Lest it not be too late.

  • Billythekid

    Is civil war inevitable ? Yes. It will take the man in the street to finally call enough is enough, (as the polis sit on their hands with their mouths shut) and begin their defence of freedom in their home land. The sooner the better in my opinion. The country that sets the precedent will most certainly open the floodgates for all other populations to claim realism back.

  • Kiwibabe

    Shame on cowardly governments.

  • James

    It was the same when the Irish scum were bombing England – soldiers couldn’t wear uniform and even kids in the cadet force had to cover up when being bused from base to base.

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