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  • Bart67

    After a very busy period at work on a very important course, in the middle of which I received a diagnosis of prostate cancer, I am now back to being much more engaged with the fellow oilers here. To be honest, I missed you guys! But I heard about you everywhere. It’s great to be back, and the cancer is not going to see me off, that’s for sure, I’ve got years left, decades even! I love this site!

    • Euan Ross-Taylor

      Great to hear!

    • Nige.

      Wooohooo! Grab life!

    • cows4me

      Good on you Bart.

    • Good luck Bart. If you’ve been treated early, you’re far more likely to die with a few prostate cancer cells in your system than FROM the disease.

    • To be honest, when you stare death in the face, even The Standard and Martin Martyn don’t seem that bad when you keep things in perspective ;)

      • Wallace Westland

        Having stared death in the face on more than one occasion and with the scars to prove it I’d just like to respectfully say…”cough cough…bull…cough…chit..”

        Edit/Clarification: Comment intended to be a reflection of Bomber not Bart!)

    • Captain Darling

      Amen brother.

    • Cowgirl

      Excellent – was wondering how you were getting on. Great to hear you’re on the mend!

    • Chris EM

      Good on ya, Bart. You have the perfect attitude.

    • Dave

      Good news Bart, never ever give up! I spent a few month being treated for a similar “cancer” ailment in 2001, so am living proof recovery is possible, even though i was certain the treatment was going to kill me for a week or so. Good luck :)

    • oldmanNZ

      Life is too short to be angry, bitter and nasty.
      thank god for this site that shows some common sense.

    • Odd Ball

      Good to hear from you again, Welcome back!

    • Wallace Westland

      Good stuff. Keep the faith.

    • Aucky

      Onyer Bart.

      That man deserves a DB!

    • jude

      That is a relief to hear. I am delighted with that news , this is becoming a month of good news for the Whale oil family:)

    • Cadwallader

      Good on you. A question: how often ought those over (say) 60 get a prostate check? I know this is not the place to pose the question but it beats not getting a check. I hope the moderators don’t mind, but like WO himself it is of interest to many.

      • Richard

        DR John Hopoate could answer that for you.

      • wooted

        Talk to your GP. It may vary. I had regular checks each 6 months because my older brother had it, and there seems to be a genetic component.

        I had it too, caught it early, and had it treated successfully.

    • IKIDUNOT

      Houd je haaks Bart and all the best.

  • Thank you for doing that. I wasn’t aware Cam hadn’t signed it yet – sorry for the delay. You should have prodded him! (yeah right! ;)

    • Spiker

      There isn’t a stick long enough that I’d prod him with. Happy to leave the prodding to those that don’t know better.

  • cows4me

    There was an item on Fox news about the movie industry in the states and how the various states are trying to undercut each other by way of tax credits. Atalanta Georgia has managed to attract several big studios and they are about to build a huge studio in Atalanta. There was of course huge grumbles from the taxpayer who basically paid their tax, much like here. Several films have been made and the return has gone back into the local economy. The return has been many times more than what would have been taken in tax which begs the ultimate question and my view on taxation. Does the amount of tax we pay actually limit our ability to produce more wealth? Is high taxation really just a death spiral and does it hold a country back as well as it’s people, I say it does.

    • Disinfectant

      Yes. The treasury right here in New Zealand carried out some ground breaking research in the 1980’s to establish as to what point taxation became a drag on the economy.
      The results of this research was never publicly released. Snippets have leaked out over the years.
      I can’t now remember what that point was, but it was way lower than any of the then and current taxation levels.
      One could say that no Government wants this information to be released for fear of being unelectable.
      But as citizens of this country we have a right to know.
      I wonder if anyone has made an OIA request.
      Edit: spelling.

      • Cadwallader

        The Libertarianz Party posited that it was any 10% I think. The only tax they regarded as necessary was a form of expenditure tax like the present GST but set at 10% with a concomitant reduction in government nannyisms and controls.
        NZ in contrast to OZ is a true tax haven. Last night I saw a stamp-duty assessment for a private residential purchase in Western Australia for circa $740,000. The stamp-duty was levied at 6% of that consideration. i.e. In excess of $42,000!!!
        Then there is land tax, death duty, and for the David Parkers of this world Capital Gains Tax (though not generally on residences.) If you move to OZ for an increase in salary of $20,000 and buy a house even for a modest value you will be paying more tax in those initial years than anything like what is leviable in NZ. By the way the wage disparity is evaporating rapidly not that it ever existed for the self-employed between here and OZ.

        • Disinfectant

          Interesting comment about stamp-duty. I lived in the U.K. when it was abolished (if my memory serves me right it was during Maggie Thatcher’s premiership).
          It was a paltry sum and cost more to gather than it was worth.

          • lautrec

            stamp duty UK
            up to 125000 pounds no stamp duty 125000 to 250000 1% Stamp Duty, 250000 to 500000 3% SD, 500000 to 1 mil 4%, 1 mil to 2 mil 5%, over 2 mil 7%

          • Disinfectant

            Hmmm. Has it been re-introduced?

          • lautrec

            i don’t think it was ever abolished.If you pay 251000 pounds for a house you pay the stamp duty at 3% of the total amount 7530 pounds.If you paid 249000 the stamp duty would be 2490

          • JAFA Gazza

            You are right Lautrec…never abolished. Neither has the “death Tax” on deceased estates.

          • lautrec

            taxes never get withdrawn They did withdraw tax relief on your first property

          • Cadwallader

            In NZ taxes have been withdrawn though not on points of principle but rather due to difficulty in collection.
            I maintain that NZ ought have a flat tax rate of 10% together with GST at the same level. The less the tax burden is, the easier it is to collect.
            An incentive is to have a weekly Lotto scheme run by IRD where every tax # is placed in the mix and each week $1,000,000 is divided ten ways amongst the ten tax #s drawn. The prize can be redeemed either by cash or in tax credits. This would cost $52,000,000 per annum in prizes but the participation of willing taxpayers would be so greatly enhanced the revenue gathered would surpass the expense. “if I ruled the world….”

          • lautrec

            What a great idea.Would you pay tax on any winnings ?

          • Cadwallader

            No.

          • NoEyeDeer

            The Chinese tax agency tried this scheme by giving entities a lottery voucher if they completed a proper gst invoice; gst number, date and company details etc. It worked for a while until fake invoice scams became the norm. It was soon not cost effective to police who had valid invoices or not so the scheme was dropped. Not before millions of yuan was lost however.

      • cows4me

        I always said taxation is about power and control over ones fallow citizens. The politicians aren’t the people’s representatives, they are there for their own representation. I’m a low flat tax believer.

        • Alright

          I think you mean “fellow,” deer (spelling intended)

          I come back to a simple question: why do I have to pay more tax on the last dollar I earn than I do on the first dollar I earn?

          • [MOD] Psssst, check the rules out. If we’re going to pick up on spelling or grammar, the blog will be full of corrections all the time, and that’s just no fun to read.

          • Alright

            Ok. It was was a small attempt at humour that I thought Cows might might smile about.

    • MaryLou

      Parallels with Working For Families? In, out a lot of people employed to administer it – why not cancel it, use the combined wages and tax take to give overall (or at least targeted) tax breaks. Maybe?

      • cows4me

        Of course MaryLou all those people now employed to money churn does nothing to lift the real wealth of the country. We have the left moaning about the low wage economy but why the need to lift wages when taxpayers are subsidising them.

    • kehua

      I have always favoured just a flat rate Sales Tax, everyone that spends gets taxed, there is a huge black economy out there now and it relies on people spending, there is no way it can be avoided. I am sure there would be a formula to strike the correct Rate.

  • kiwibattler

    Sad to hear the great sax man Bobby Keys died: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/rolling-stones-saxophonist-bobby-keys-dead-at-70-20141202

    Well known for his playing on many Rolling Stones hits like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmfi3UbDPnQ

  • Isherman

    Town Ambassadors, the type seen in the Otara/Papatoetoe ward, supposedly they are participants (paid) in a programme to help long term unemployed gain ‘experience and skills’ with a view to re-entering the workforce. Funded by a mix of Council local Board and local business associations I’m told. I see these guys wandering around, doing literally nothing but strolling and chatting together, often in pairs or small groups. What ‘experience and skills’ are they supposedly getting from this, some of ours have been the same ones for considerable lengths of time. I’m all for getting people into paid work, but this looks like a simple unproductive waste of (partially) ratepayer money. Do other folks have these guys in there local towns and do they do anything useful?

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  • dgrogan

    Campbell Live having another go at the PM. Using Turei’s Question in the House today to try and prove Key wrong – on free lunches in schools. Trouble is, as usual, they didn’t listen to his answer, as it would have gotten in the way of another good socialist story. Muppets.

    • Jp

      On Free Lunches at school.

      If this bill ever got across the line,
      Who will feed the kids on weekends, school holidays and those teacher only days?

      I count that there are about 205 days that kids go to school.
      That leaves 160 days left where they don’t get lunch.

      • Alright

        So we have migrated from breakfast to lunch now. What about dinner as well? Then clothes. What about bikes? What about their Christmas presents?

        This (like foodbanks) is out of control. So you create demand by giving stuff away then wonder why demand increases!

        Who in their right mind would give their children breakfast or lunch if the school was doing it?

        What is going on here?

        • Bryan

          my teacher wife tells me their is a culture among some of these parents of ” we don’t need to provide lunch as the school will supply lunch” so it is a deliberate decision of many of these parents to use the school to provider that meal. They had every friday a good afternoon tea provided for the staff by their board and a bunch of the local 17 to 23 years olds would turn up every friday after school and walk in and help themselves to the teachers afternoon tea because a weak Head allowed it. The head changed and 1 week later bang he kicked the lot of them out, and again the parents knew about it and was using it to feed these 17 to 23rd olds and have you not met any kid, that when extra food is put in front of them will not help themselves to the extra.

          • Alright

            Well, just as I thought. Provide a trough and people will go for it.

            Its human nature – especially for those who have a small moral compass.

    • HogsWorth

      My kids were, and my grandchildren are made to make their own lunches as was I as a child, most of the homes would have the food but they are too lazy to make lunch – after all they know they wont miss out!

      • jude

        Ditto. What makes me cross is the whole” toasty sandwich available for all “attitude.
        Why is anyone surprised that the Marmite sandwich gets ditched for the unhealthy toasty?

        • HogsWorth

          Totally, I would of loved a nice hot toasty instead of the mess I used to put together, lol

          • jude

            Yes well I remember getting sandwiches with peas in them! The peas were not mushed and just rolled out when sandwich picked up!!

          • Aucky

            That’s very funny Jude. I’ve never heard of a pea sandwich before. Fresh, frozen or tinned?

          • jude

            We were not allowed to waste left overs from the night before:) They were frozen from memory.!

  • So where oh where do I get a WO t-shirt… I need to shock my friends ???

    • Cadwallader

      They are as scarce as deodorant at the Greens’ conference.

      • 40something

        . . .Or as scarce as awards on Giovanni Tiso’s mantlepiece.

    • JAFA Gazza

      Grampus…I’m afraid that they are no more. I would put mine up on TradeMe…but I enjoy it too much. I love the reaction it gets in public…especially in the CBD…..Its a treasure to hold and wear with pride!

      • Armotur

        Yes I am proud to say I have two. One to wear in the Club on Friday and one to keep in pristine condition labels intact.

  • Disinfectant

    Breaking News; Heather du plesis Allen on Seven Sharp has just said that she has received a Christmas card from John Key. Her response to it was ” .. like I would bother to open it up …”
    How rude can you get. Embarrassing the Prime Minister who would only be acting in good faith and good cheer.

    • dgrogan

      How ungracious. That will backfire on her big time. Still, I guess the tax payer will save $0.80 postage as she’ll be struck off his list next Christmas.

      • Dave

        And then, next year she will announce, she didnt recieve a Christmas card from the PM, and he is a rude man.

      • Gaynor

        There will be something very very wrong with this country if it does not backfire on her…..Disgusted
        Which reminds me of a story I heard about her today ..and how she “climbed” the ladder ……. Unlike Heather I am too polite to repeat it but I understand it is well known.

    • Jp

      I would love to get a Christmas Card from the PM

      • Cadwallader

        Me too and Judith Collins. I suppose if Russel Norman were to send me one it would be on re-cyclable hemp paper and penned in vegetable oil ink. I’d still open it and display it though, albeit as a conversation piece only. What a rude tart the TV1 bimbo is. I think her husband is Barry Soper?

        • Hoju

          What makes you think muppett knows anything about recycling – the only thing he ever recycles is his stupid questions.

        • SVlover

          I think its Corin Dann.

          • Bluemanning

            No it’s Soper

          • SVlover

            I’m sure I saw a documentary on Corin’s wife being an alcoholic. And it was Heather. But I stand to be corrected.

          • 40something

            Corin’s wife is Lotta Dann.

          • Alright

            No. It was Dann’s wife. And, actually, she was very brave. And (I’m kind of choking on the words) he was very supportive. It was a very good story. He went way up in my estimation.

          • Sunshine

            Hmmm, not always if you read her blog.

      • KGB

        Join the National Party…we all get a Xmas card

        • Woody

          I haven’t had one, I will check my mailbox with enthusiastic anticipation.

        • kayaker

          Maybe @hdpa is a member of the National Party. Just doesn’t want to admit it.

      • Saggy

        I would love to get a WO Tee signed by JK. I do have a signature of JK on the back plate of my Strat from an Ascension Winery concert (I was in the audience). Just goes to show how approachable he is.

      • wooted

        and not just because he’s PM, but because he’s a good bloke.

    • Wallace Westland

      Who?

    • Female muppet, 7 sharp tends to go left when Hosking is away.

      • jude

        I am not watching that show either now. In fact the tv is just used as a screen to watch DVDs :)
        Until Game Of Thrones is back on anyway.

        • 40something

          If it wasn’t for the kids watching dvd’s ours would be out on the fire heap. We might watch an hour a week if we are lucky.
          Watching any news on either channel is time I can’t get back – not worth the sacrifice.

          • Geoff

            Just use TV to watch Netflix. Glorified monitor really.

        • Huia

          I’m done with it too after that rude comment. Sick of these people thinking they can ram their political views down my throat and the constant negativity.

      • sarahmw

        I think it has gone any way. After the debates he just does not have it. Sad really cause he had such promise.Get rid of Toni Street and start doing investigative /political stuff.

        • Wasapilot

          Completely agree. Seven Sharp is utter fluff, espicially when Mike is away.

          Oh to have something news wise on at 7pm for adults, that is not biased either left or right, get rid of the opinions of the presenters.

          Failing that, bring Paul Henry on at 7pm, at least we would get a laugh.

          • MaryLou

            I’ve been thinking about a few random comments on WO lately from different people, about how addictive this site is,. Once upon a time we could read through a myriad of publications first thing in the morning, and get a pretty good overview of the important happenings that day. Then you’d get the news in the evening – either radio or tv, and that’d do for the day.

            I don’t know exactly when the slide began, but it’s been a long time since I read stuff in ANY daily publication that left me feeling like I’d learned something, without the spin. How starved of real info have we been, to so desperately need to get it here?

            Bring on FREED – now’s good.

          • kehua

            Henry just does not cut it for me. Waste of space.

    • Wasapilot

      Wonder if her geriatric, commy hubbie got one too.

      These lefties still have cottened onto the fact that people don’t like constant negativity, as evidenced by their massive election failure.

      People often say “he / she is off my Christmas card list”, well …….

    • Woody

      I was well under impressed with that comment as well, she may well think things like that but coming out and saying them defies logic.

      She didn’t slip any further down in my estimation, I already had her down there at the same level as a snakes rectum.

    • Dave

      That is terrible, and shows a complete lack of respect for the PM and anyone who does not meet her expectations or political views. She should reflect on that, and her employers should force her to apologise, its a serious black mark for her.

      • Dave

        And I add, she would expect to interview the PM one day and get a nice pleasant response from him, yet she has the audacity to destroy a card he sent her and do so pubicly! Clearly her employers need to review her employment as she cannot interview the PM anytime soon with that TOXIC attitude. Some of the press gallery might not approve of everything a MP or JK do or says, but they don’t carry on like a spoilt brat who missed out on something.

    • sarahmw

      How rude and certainly showing her class (low) Silly woman. I always thought she was Soper’s daughter my mistake she is Mrs Soper. Never ceases to amaze me how people seem to think it is ok to denegrate someone else. Just goes to prove how of the lower class she is.Seven Sharp never watch it now as it has become fluff and I thought it was going to be a show to match Campbell 3 in content.

    • Alright

      How gob-smackingly ungracious.

      And the govt controls the company that employs her.

    • kayaker

      Absolutely no class.

    • Isherman

      Some friendly advice for Mr Soper to pass on to his wife…

    • rantykiwi

      And these “journalists” wonder why JK doesn’t text them? They really are without even the merest hint of clue.

    • LesleyNZ

      What has happened to Heather DPA lately? That is plain nasty. John Key should cross her off his list for next year.

      • Armotur

        I got one from Peter Dunne today ( I used to be in his electorate prior to the boundary changes) He has A significant place as my first card this year!
        Don’t expect one from Mallard though ( my new electorate sitting MP unfortunately!)

    • Bryan

      it might have had his cellphone number heather darn you missed there

    • kehua

      No class, as my nanny would say, “common as muck”.

  • Wallace Westland

    Today’s Herald article about possible Mayoral candidates got me thinking.
    Banks might want to stand again. He needs to back off.
    Williamson might be a good contender as Barnett would probably be as well.
    However whatever they all decide as individuals one thing is true. If the right put up more than one viable candidate then Red Len will be back again!

    • Cadwallader

      Well according to the brain-box Rachael Smalley, Phil Goff is the ideal next Mayor of Auckland. As soon as she told Larry that tonight and he disagreed her feeble intellect imploded.

      • Disinfectant

        At least she has recognised the current one as being no good.

        • Cadwallader

          Did she figure out the “no good” parts under his desk? Yes, she did “you know” 7 times but there were only 4 “sort ofs” tonight.How on earth Larry tolerates her is beyond belief.

      • Woody

        She described him as (if I heard right) honest. Thought there must have been another Phil Goff. Also Ms Smelley, I don’t know even though I counted some 7 times she used “you know” in that brief period she was on – not the sign of a towering intellect.

      • Wallace Westland

        The next public service job Goofy will be offered is as a security guard at the local Otara WINZ office and Smalley will have the role of holding his umbrella!

        Dumb and dumber!

        • Cadwallader

          I can actually picture that. For starters Smalley will have the umbrella upside down and Goof will be complaining he’s wetter than usual.

        • Aucky

          Regrettably for all of us Wallace Goofy’s first job on retiring will be to take a wheelbarrow to Parliamentary Services to collect about 30 years worth of massively taxpayer-subsidised super and retire to his Queen Street farmlet in the Hunuas, never to seen in the streets of Mt Roskill again.

    • MaryLou

      I don’t know much about Cameron Brewer, but he does seem to come out with pretty good observations at times. Hopefully they’ll all publish some kind of info about what they’d do, if they were successful?

      • Wallace Westland

        Well…..if they were successful they’d happily insert snout in trough. Every single one is a professional politician. Including Brewer.
        Being Mayor of Auckland in my opinion has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with profile.

        The big question would be, who would they surround themselves with?

        • rantykiwi

          Pete needs to run…. he’d be good at it and the income might be useful to him. And he’d be less of a chimp than the incumbent.
          Actually… I think we (as in the Whale Army) should probably start working together now to build a profile, stand a lot of candidates and see if we can grab a decent amount of the vote. C&R is history – the future of Auckland local body politics can be the WO ticket.

          • JAFA Gazza

            Liking this idea Ranty….seriously its worth a bit of thought….any lawyers out here that could help establish/ build a constitution?

          • MaryLou

            Absolutely – but to avoid splitting the vote, run an internal nomination first. How good would it be to have someone in there with proven business management and admin skills.

            Yeah!

    • Well I’d vote for a candidate who would scrap the silly rail loop through an area of town which is already well served by buses. The frequency of trains is given as the reason for Britomart as a through station. Sorry, but you can achieve the same result with a junction station joining eastern and southern lines by Vector arena with shuttle trains to and from Britomart. Cost: hardly anything. Result: through services south to west to east and back again with whatever frequency you like.

      • Platinum Fox

        Cost: even less than you think! Have a look on the council’s GIS viewer at http://maps.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/aucklandcouncilviewer/ and you’ll see that there are still platforms and tracks behind the old railway station building. Last I looked (yesterday) there were three sets of new trains parked up there and being patrolled by a security guard. I think it’s the alternative station if Britomart is out of action.

    • kehua

      We certainly do not want another dose of the Idiot Banks, that is for real.

  • Champagneshane

    Cam. You need to send flowers to Jane Clifton and Andrea Vance. Their combined stories appearing side by side in this mornings Dompost mention Cam and Whale Oil a total of TWENTY times. Clifton would be happy with cut flowers but I would be sending Venus Fly Traps & Deadly Nightshades to Vance….

  • Dave

    Time for me to get the signs in, cash up, lock up and head home. Feel like a large chunk of dead beef and a few glasses of mineral water to wash it down.

    • MaryLou

      Well earned…

      • Dave

        Dont forget we Nth QLD’ers are three hours behind you, I’m actually having an early mark tonight :)

        • MaryLou

          Ah ok. Still – another day etc…

        • dgrogan

          Anywhere near AYR, Dave?

          • Dave

            In Townsville love it here!

          • dgrogan

            Nice spot. We have a son and his family in Ayr. Far too hot up there for me I’m afraid. When they visit us here, they wear jackets in 23 degrees!

          • Dave

            Yes, 23 is cool, we get high twenties to low 30’s every day, but it’s the nights that are too hot. We are averaging 25 to 27 degrees, so it’s a bit sticky especially when we don’t use Air Con at home. Thankfully we have fans and leave the windows open fo the sea breeze. Hope your son and family are doing well and are enjoying life in Nth Qld!

  • JAFA Gazza

    Think we have coined a new phrase…..friend of the Mrs is over….they asked what I was working on…she said ” Oh he isnt working…..He’s WhaleOiling…..!!!” The new “Googling” !!!

  • Slash, if he was a horse (pic)

    • SVlover

      Duh?

      • Either you know, or you don’t.

        • JAFA Gazza

          Think we were waiting for the pic….. :)

    • Dave_1924

      Nice Pete… now youtubing the Slash man and listening…..

  • Kopua Cowboy

    Dear Santa, thank you for letting Sir Cullen’s Sidekick back. Love, everybody.

  • John Warren

    “Election trickery may return Tory governments but these governments, once in power, soon reveal themselves for what they are – governments of the landlord and capitalist classes obediently following the dictates of High Finance and Big Business. The elections have hardly been over before the people begin to realise what they have done and how they have been deceived.”

    Emrys Hughes, “Winston Churchill in War and Peace”.

    Kinda sets the tone for the biography, does it not?

    • JAFA Gazza

      At the risk of being moderated….what exactly are you trying to say here? I’m Confused…what Biography? By whom?

      • John Warren

        Er, the information you seek is right there.

        • JAFA Gazza

          Nope. Its just a quote from a dead guy. What are YOU trying to say???

          • John Warren

            I’m quoting Emrys Hughes, from his biography of Churchill… a Tory.

          • JAFA Gazza

            Ok. Well doone with the dead guy quote. But my question remains….”kind of sets the tone for the biography….” WHAT Biography? And what are you TRYINGto say?????? Jeez.

          • Alright

            JAFA, you are beating your head against a brick wall.

          • John Warren

            I think irony is lost on Gazza. And I’m not entirely sure which way to take your comment, Alright! Any take the quote or leave it, it’s pretty self-explanatory.

          • Alright

            Ok. I am concerned about JAFFA’s head, and your brickwall. I have no idea what you (John) are getting at either. I think the beauty of this blog is that the people on it are (typically) able to be understood on a first read.

          • John Warren

            OK, I’ll spell it out for you all. Tonight I started to read Emrys Hughes’s biography of Churchill, that towering Tory figure. A few pages in, Hughes spouts that diatribe about Tory governments. Nails his colours to the mast. Sets the tone for the rest of the book. No trolling, no trick questions. Just a wee something I thought might be of passing interest to tonight’s Backchat punters, this being a right-wing blog and all. :)

          • JAFA Gazza

            This is an award winning blog of largely independent non MSM thought. Well Done on you “Starting to read”….a what..50 year old dissertation on a dead PM. Well Done. Thats how DOCTOR Russell Norman parades his knowledge and expects us minions to Kow-Tow to him as he did a Phd on the Alliance Party and Jim Anderton.

            When you come here – you need to realise there are more people with more intelligence than your ” I have just started reading…”.

            This is a brilliant place for people to swap ideas’s…not to be swarmed with psycobabble ” I have just started reading”type intelligencia nonsense.

            You come here….be prepared to back up ypur comments.

            Now. For the LAST Time..what “scene” of what “Biography” are you talking about???

          • 40something

            If I may interject I believe JW is referring to the left wing bias in the media that is presently besetting our PM. He is merely pointing out that thus it has always been – even Winston Churchill was prey to the ideology of his own biographer and said biographers loathing of conservative governments. All about not getting a fair hearing and author bias. Quite relevant for all of us at present. Enjoy your new book Mr Warren we can all learn lessons from history – it has all been done before.

          • JAFA Gazza

            Then with espect i will apologise and witdraw….but I am still m,iffed that this view was not pointed out or clearly elucidated….

          • Wasapilot

            Well, that was fun wasn’t it

          • 40something

            I love it that your giving something you dislike to someone you dislike for Christmas, knowing that they too will dislike it – after years of putting up with boorish relatives at this time of year I’ve come to this conclusion myself.
            Very satisfying idea. Annoying others is seriously underrated.

          • Wasapilot

            Going to try and find several copies of the Helen Clark story for some of my least favourite people.

            I am told That I spent years annoying the hell out of my parents, most enjoyable at the time

          • 40something

            Yep, Helen – that would do it.

          • Alright

            Wasapilot,

            Don’t about fun! More like people (including me) talking past folk.

            Oh well, it happens. Here is a great quote from Churchill (keeping in mind we typically get the horse to try and push the cart rather than pull it)…..

            “Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.

            Winston Churchill
            Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/w/winston_churchill.html#CWmIovWJYrrkxhCI.99

          • John Warren

            No, I believe it’s the tail trying to wag the dog in these parts.

          • Alright

            Probably right. Luckily the 49 per cent dog got to wag the tail in October.

          • JAFA Gazza

            For some reason..I cant get a picture of Oscar Wilde in a smoking jacket wit a cigar in one hand and a brandy in the other…lecturing us with new found intelligence…20 pages in….

          • John Warren

            Stephen Fry on QI then. Gimme Stephen.

          • John Warren

            Thank you, 40something. That sums it up rather well. I thought the quote and my quip were quite self-explanatory, but I’ll attempt to be clearer next time. I apologise to Gazza for taking his initial question too literally.

          • Wasapilot

            Just had a look at Harris. Appeaers he was a consientious objector in WW1, a labour Mp, and the editor of the socialist publication.

            And he had the temerity to criticise the PM who led the UK through WW2.

            I think Harris would have fitted nicely as the co co co leader of the melons.

            I would give the book to someone I dislike for Christmas

          • John Warren

            As I say above, it doesn’t hurt to read the other perspective. Churchill had his faults, but I’m keen to see whether he gets dealt with fairly by an author ideologically opposed to him, or whether it’s a pasting. That early passage doesn’t bode well.

          • JAFA Gazza

            Not good at answering basic questions though are you? Just answer my question… What are YOU trying to say??? Who’s Biography is it SETTING A SCENE TO?

          • Wasapilot

            I don’t think I would be encouraging John if I were you JG

          • JAFA Gazza

            Agree. Dont feed the Trolls.

          • Wasapilot

            Just had a thought on what could replace 7 shap and campbell live, repeat of the Yong Ones”. Your Avatar funnily enough made me think of that

          • JAFA Gazza

            Politically dispaate too! RIPRik Myall! :)

          • Effluent

            How about the Teletubbies, if you really want to see a rise in the intellectual tone at 7pm.

          • JAFA Gazza

            Give up drinking the Koo Aid……kinda sets the scene for a new portrayal…

            Oh the info is in the post above….go figure that ..

    • EveryWhichWayButLeft

      I’d say yes – sets a very leftward slant to anything you read from there on. When you’ve finished I’d be interested to know how you rate it and whether the initial impression is correct.

      I started Roy Jenkins’ tome on Churchill, but only got 100 pages in before I had to put it down and have a break. Very dry and academic in its style – I haven’t picked it up again since and I’m not really looking forward to finishing it.

      • John Warren

        I’ll let you know one night. I don’t expect a sympathetic treatment, but Churchill is the subject of so much hero-worship that it can’t hurt to read a perspective from the other side of the fence.

  • In der Coatsville bunker…..

  • jude

  • Alfred12

    Evening all, is it just me being technically challenged but has anyone had trouble logging onto Disqus lately?

    • Wasapilot

      No problems here Alf

      • Alright

        Me either Alf.

    • jude

      Disqus can be a dog.:)

    • Dave

      Normally no issues but it’s as slow as tonight, tried several devices and the iPad has same issues.

  • kehua

    I had a mate used to give his Mother in law a bunch of flowers every year on her birthday, mongrel would pee on them first.

  • Wahbonnah

    Random comment for the day…..

    Does anyone who reads here, have enough influence in the NZ Warriors to convince the money men to throw as much money as it takes to get Kieran Foran from Manly and signed up before the 2015 season starts.

    His combination with Johnson would be the most dynamic and influential in the NRL, and with those two in the team, it would be a lot easier getting better players signed up with the club.

    As a long suffering supporter since 1995, I’m sick of them being “also rans”, or just “plain crap!”

    We need the Mad Butcher to influence the money men at the Warriors to make this happen!!!!

    Who’s with me on this????

    • Benoni

      There is still a salary cap.
      More money in the halves is less money elsewhere.

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