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  • Carl

    If you were buying your Christmas ham from the supermarket what brand do people find the best to buy?

    • Nige.

      one that DOESN’T have water as the first or second ingredient. (there. i hope that helps)

    • KGB

      Champagne Ham

    • James Growley

      Freedom Farms.

    • Bobb

      Freedom Farms. Ham on the bone. Simply superior although dearer. (With ham you get what you pay for)

    • Wallace Westland

      Come to the shore and go to Butcher Jacks. I swear their bronze medal xmas champagne ham cannot be beat.

      • SVlover

        Hendersons ham for me. Factory shop in Porana Road, Glenfield.

    • Rokopa

      Definitely Freedom Farms. This will be the 3rd year i have bought their hams. Check their website for stockists in your area.

    • Grocersgirl

      Talking of Christmas food. Do any Oilers still use a Christmas pudding recipe that includes suet? Now that Shreddo is not available any more have you discovered any substitutes? Last year I found and bought Atora, an English brand which is stocked by a few of those online shops that cater to homesick Poms. (Strangely enough there is also a vegetable variety of Atora suet, which seems a bit of a contradiction in terms.) Anyway, this year I objected on philosophical grounds to paying more in postage than the actual cost of the suet, and eventually ran a brand to ground in Hamilton that is made in Australia and, according to the ingredients list, is 54% flour! Huh! Trust the Aussies to try that trick. Nevertheless I decided to try it, and my pud is now resting from its five-hour boiling, awaiting the final cauldron on Christmas Day. The proof of the pudding (and the flour-filled suet) will be in the eating, as they say… Next year I will start early and make a trek around independent butchers’ shops to see if I can find one who (1) knows what suet is, and (2) can provide some.

      • 40something

        Can’t help but I hope you put a sixpence in.

      • ex-JAFA

        Trust the Aussies to cheat in their food products. Did you know their law says that a meat pie CAN’T contain more than x% meat??

      • I had to Google suet.

        • Grocersgirl

          Are you a butcher by any chance???

          • Nige.

            someone will answer you. have faith.

          • Not in the practical sense, no :) I have on the other hand left a wake of destruction in my life that might earn me such a moniker :P

        • Nige.

          you have clearly never sat in a smoko room (for days on end) with several English gentlemen reminiscing about Christmas time back in the old country. The things i have learned.

      • Wendy

        My answer is yes, but I cant remember the brand. Ill have a think.

        (Oh, and the flour is to keep the little bits separate and not turn into a big blob).

        Edit: I don’t actually use it for Christmas pudding, but I do use it for pastry. I make a mean pie.

  • Nige.

    ive got eggs coming out of my……chickens. galore.

    what can i do with them? any recipe tips?

    • ozbob68

      pasta?

    • Papillon

      Pavlova always makes for a good kiwi Christmas addition.

      • Papillon

        To make sure the yolks don’t go to waste you can make a delicious lemon or passionfruit curd for the pav.

    • Carl

      I love a good frittata with cooked two minute noodles mixed with BACON and lots of other stuff.

    • unitedtribes

      Bacon and egg pie. easy and users as many eggs that you need to get rid of. Anyway want be a problem for long. Next week they go clucky and in Jan they will molt. Will still expect plenty of feed though.

    • Sally

      Lemon curd – but you need lots of lemons as well.

      • exactchange

        Agree, and it makes great presents.

    • Isherman
    • James Growley

      You could always bury them in a mixture of clay, ash, salt, quicklime, and rice hulls for several weeks to several months, then sell them to the local Chinese restaurant.

    • 40something

      Lucky thing – mine are on strike for some reason at the moment.
      Make fritatta or scramble them every day for breakfast or just give them away. City slickers love a basket of fresh eggs.

      • mommadog

        Sell them. One of the ladies where I work brings in her extra eggs and sells them to staff as they are free range and ? organic. it would make any greenies you know happy.

    • Steve (North Shore)

      Give the eggs to children who will be on holiday soon and hence no school breakfasts. Still gotta get someone to cook them though before lunchtime

      • mommadog

        A bit of a risk as there may not be anyone at home who knows how to cook and the eggs get chucked at the neighbours car.

      • Reaper

        I read of someone in the same situation (too many eggs) on another site recently. She had offered them to a food bank, who refused them as she had a rooster, hence the eggs were fertilised. Apparently this is unpalatable to hungry people. Seriously?

      • Wallace Westland

        Yes.
        Generally speaking it’s the kids who get no lunches are the same ones whose shiftless bludging lazy parents are still in bed at one O’clock in the afternoon.
        Bit hard to cook eggs from bed.

    • Euan Ross-Taylor

      Omelettes with prawns liberally sprinkled in for my dinner tonight.

    • Sally
      • Nige.

        i trust whaleoil more than uncle

    • Mickey M

      Send a few to Andrew little. Eventually the chickens will come home to roost.

    • Chris EM

      Do you have dogs? Dogs love eggs.

    • JAFA Gazza

      Make baked cheese souflettes….about 8 will consume about 20 egg whites and yolks…used to make them when I did a stint as a sous chef. Buggers to make and invariably got through seperating 12 eggs then one bit of egg yolk would go into the whites…you’re buggered the so have to start all over…great way to get rid of a tray of eggs though! Eggs…pfft. chiken bum nuts…

    • Give them to the 1 in 4 starving children.

      • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

        easy to spot as they dont wear shoes apparently.

    • cows4me

      Throw them at politicians.

    • rantykiwi

      Just add bacon.

      • Nige.

        you win!

        • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

          Or big chunks or ham cooked in a fry pan like bacon….

          Oh god I am so hungry now…

    • Moonroof

      Big dirty fritatta with onions, capsicum, garlic, and of course bacon!

      • Tom

        Tons of mushrooms in there too

        • Moonroof

          Yeah, that works, can go for some black olives and feta too, and a good twist or three of black pepper :)

      • MaryLou

        Ooh yeah – but leave out the capsicum and replace with salami

        EDIT: And add parmesan

        • Moonroof

          I usually top them off with parmesan/padano before a quick belt under grill element, just when it starts to set…. Gonzo Friday night nosh with a vino tinto

          • MaryLou

            (slightly drooling) Got room for a lodger?

          • Moonroof

            Heh :) Spare room is chocka with a lab’s worth of electronics, if I found a bigger house I’d only end up adding more…

    • Quiche, quiche and more quiche.

      Also quite partial to egg salad and deviled eggs.

      • Moonroof

        Would you serve Cam a quiche?

        • Sure. As long as you call in an egg pie, he’d be none the wiser.

    • Spiker

      Line them up along the fence & shoot em with the .22

    • Custard made from scratch, ice cream, and meringues.

    • For the very adventurous, after you separated the eggs for your pav, make some advocaat with the yolks.

      • LovetoTeach

        One Christmas we did Pav then made tiramisu with the yolks…delish

      • Nige.

        whoooah. that might be a bit ambitious. i dont have enough class for remy….. perhaps i could make it with speights?

        • Nice stuff tho’. Like eating vanilla custard for adults. Great over the top of Xmas pud, strawberries, etc…

    • LovetoTeach

      Eggnog?

    • WCMiner

      Track down some Whitebait. Job done.

    • Muffin

      Got a neighbor you don’t like?

  • ozbob68

    What, no revelation?

    • Sally

      Did anyone else feel today it was like the calm before the storm?

      • HogsWorth

        Being on the cusp is like a promised icecream as a child – impatient but excited and extremely satisfied when it finally arrives in all its expected glory.

        • geoff2112

          won’t be tommorrow…..end of week…dead news day….time governments slip in stuff they don’t want a fuss about…

      • Cowgirl

        I hope you’re right. If it’s calm before more calm, I’ll bust.

      • Tom

        Friday is the wrong day for a big release. See what happens on Tuesday ;)

        • Dave

          Release ? what have i missed?

  • James Growley

    So, two mongrels with over 100 criminal convictions between them wrongly accuse an innocent man of being a pedophile. They pour petrol over him and whilst flicking a lighter off and on, the man ignites and is consumed in a ball of fire. later, he dies of his horrific injuries and the two mongrels get sentenced to less than six years apiece with minimum parole periods of 2 years 9 months and 2 years 6 months respectively. I think this is an appalling decision by the judge considering that the victim was innocent and his death was horrific. In addition the two mongrels had a long criminal history and came from criminal families. Surely, the innocent man’s life was worth more than this? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/63816821/pair-jailed-for-horrific-petrol-fire-death

    • rantykiwi

      Time for a crown appeal of the sentences.

  • mommadog

    I recently spent some $$ and invested in a tablet. It was brilliant today. Long 2 1/2 hour work meeting that all staff in my department were expected to attend. These are normally boring for the majority as in reality only a few need to be there. While others did work things on their tablets (I think), I quietly caught up with my WO reading. I didn’t even feel guilty that I was being paid to do so as I figure the knowledge makes me a better well rounded person and employee.

    • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

      My best and worst investment was an S4. Awesome to keep up to date on stuff/ fills in dead time, but also eats into other time – DAMN YOU CLASH OF CLANS!!

      • rantykiwi

        Xmas arrived early today in RantyOffice. We’re in the middle of deciding which lucky telco gets our business for the next few years so the bribe-athon is in full effect. Telco number 1 delivered an iPhone 6 for my “appraisal” this afternoon (and they were clever enough to deliver one for the head honcho too). Fingers crossed that telco number 2 does a rinse and repeat of this next week.

    • James Growley

      Always remember if you are using the employers WiFi, they can track where you have been at any time.

      • mommadog

        I didn’t know that but I am not worried about WhaleOil. Thank goodness I was not looking at porn.

        • James Growley

          I guess you’re boss isn’t Wussel Norman then ;-)

  • Nige.

    i really cant see how they can run a piece on tvnz news about global temperatures being up half a percent across the whole world and then later in another piece several mins later jim hippy says that temperatures for nz were down a full percent.

    do they think we are dumb? dont pay attention? do they even talk to each other about what stories they are running?

    • mommadog

      Yes, yes and no.

      • 40something

        I recently completed part of my family tree to discover a distant cousin is a world leading climate scientist. Even though I’m in touch with the rest of the family I can’t bring myself to contact him. Everything I read that he writes makes me furious.

        • Nige.

          semi related: it does make me laugh when i hear a weather presenter say the word “trough” as in “we’ve got a big trough coming in from the west”…does that mean that theres a bit of global warming funded research coming in on a plane from Australia?

          • TonyM

            Also semi related. There is some heads in the sand climate change event in wellington this weekend. Saw a comment that a large wave at the right time could fix the climate change “problem”

          • Rick H

            I believe it is “Code” for – “The Troughers from the Left”.

    • sheppy

      Someone somewhere in the Northern Hemisphere must be needing to justify their place at the Global Warming tough – it was all over the BBC app this morning

    • cows4me

      I thought the science was settled, seems science is nothing but propaganda these days. I’m so over these bull poo artists, i could scream.

      • rantykiwi

        Do keep up cows – it’s your bull (and cow) poo that leads to the global warming.

        • cows4me

          Funny how it’s only Kiwi ones that cause all the trouble.

          • MaryLou

            It’s all the grass. If we grew cows on concrete pads they’d be much more enviro friendly

          • cows4me

            Our politicians need to be on concrete pads surrounded by high concrete walls Mary Lou. This AGW rubbish is getting ridiculous. It’s a scam of epic proportions and many of it’s high profile promoters have now said so publicly. Either our politicians and their advisers are intellectually retarded or they are working to a set agenda. I believe very strongly we have been betrayed by our elected officials, AGW is about the confiscation of wealth and the introducing of draconian laws that will effect all our lives for the worst.

          • rantykiwi

            A lot of our politicians need to be under concrete pads, possibly even with an epitaph inscribed thereon.

          • MaryLou

            Well, that way we could collect their methane – and you’re right – I think it’s exactly that. I have no problem with trying to clean up our environment, over time, in a sustainable way that won’t cripple our economy. Just because it’s nice to live in. But this whole thing including carbon trading is benefiting a very few at the expense of us all.

          • cows4me

            I agree MaryLou. How many millions have now been collected by the carbon tax on fuel and how has this money improved the environment, not one jot I’m picking.

          • MaryLou

            Nope – no evidence it went anywhere near tackling the problem.

          • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

            And not the massive buffalo herds in Africa or the bison herds in USA. Must be the lean green environment creating the problem and not just some careful anti marketing from our allies.

          • Dave

            Thats true, you must change the cowshed radio off Red Radio, it could change their Pooie outlook on life :)

    • … and a very selective portion of the computer simulation that appeared on WO a few days ago showing CO2 swirling around the Northern Hemisphere (on a Mercator projection so very exagerated) but not showing how it virtually disappears in summer when the vegetation acts as a carbon sink.

    • Dave

      See above, my reply to Disenfectant, the book by Professor Rob Barter, Climate – the Counter Consensus, well worth reading, every armchair climate change conspiritist should read it, and every greenie.

    • Rick H

      This year has been the absolute coldest since I can remember; down here in Timaru.
      Sure, not too many frosts, but that happens other years as well.
      I’ve been here 12 years, and this is the first year that it has mostly been too cold to come home from work and sit outside by the barbie, with the laptop on the outdoor table.
      The sea is retreating here, not rising.
      3 meters of snow buries Buffalo NY – – –

      warmest year on record?
      NOT

  • Alright

    Headline: “Killer on Hunger Strike”

    This is excellent news. Please don’t force-feed him.

    • cows4me

      This sort of behavior should be encouraged.

    • Papillon

      Unless you force feed him like foie gras duck.

  • exactchange

    2013 Trougher of the Year Professor Boyd Swinburn, “says scientists are being ‘shouted down’ by corporate interests and ‘dirty politics’.

    Public health is being jeopardised by conflicts of interest in government appointments and dirty politics,an obesity expert says.

    In an editorial co-written for the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Public Health, published yesterday, Dr Boyd Swinburn says scientists who represent the voice of the public in policy-making are being shouted down by large commercial interests and their views suppressed by attack campaigns.”

    “In the article, co-authored with Australian professor Michael Moore, Swinburn said: “A blanket of suppression is insidiously descending on the voices for public health.”

    Then we get to the crunch aka follow the money:

    ” While working in Australia’s Deakin University, Swinburn said he experienced efforts to have reports cancelled or watered down and funding pulled, and he said that had started happening in New Zealand.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/63816549/scientists-are-undermined-by-attack-campaigns–expert

    • 1951

      The High Priest should take care to keep off the magic mushrooms, they have a tendency to bring on bouts of paranoia. So good to see the trough is getting shallower.

    • Second time around

      Professor Swinburn would have no difficulty publishing original scientific research in the scientific literature. He may consider that legislative changes follow inexorably from his research results and that they should not be subjected to public scrutiny, but that is not the way that a democratic and educated society operates.

  • Grocersgirl

    Just passed through the living room. What is the name of that talky programme?….. two young women chatting to each other?…… sharp something…….. Sharpen your Knitting Needles?

    • cows4me

      It’s the live version of woman’s day.

    • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

      Yep started out as crap, then they dumped the stupid comedian to get some credibility, then Mike came on board which gave it a shot in the arm. Unfortunately the womans weekly label is giving it too much credibility

  • Nige.
  • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

    So what’s the big reveal for today?

    I’ve been a good boy and checked throughout the day but havent seen it yet. Or have I just missunderstood something?

  • john Doe

    Really surprise to see that Heather Du P/Allen/Sopher women on the screen. I thought TVNZ would have placed here on gardening leave after her pathetic piece about receiving a Christmas card from the PM.

    • rantykiwi

      They can’t do that – as scary as it may seem, she’s one of the most visually appealing women TVNZ have on offer.

      • InnerCityDweller

        should have gone to specsavers mate

      • john Doe

        How can anyone be so pithy and pathetic about a Chrissy card. She leaves me cold. Good luck to you Barry.

      • ozbob68

        She’s got a huge forehead, she looks like a villian from a Dan Dare comic.

        • MaryLou

          Didn’t the Aussies measure the forehead as a marker of criminality?

    • mommadog

      Now she is invading ZB and was on the huddle this afternoon. I cant tell you what she said as I turned off. A family affair as her husband was on earlier.

    • ozbob68

      Bring back Nadine Chalmers Ross, who replaced Street for a week.

      • ozbob68

        Actually I would love to end up chatting with her at a bar and call her “tammy” by mistake, just to see what reaction i would get (I know, I’m a charmer)

    • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

      I used to think H Duplicity Allen was okay but she just seems to be revealing just how childish she is. I guess Barry Sofa is into childish brides…

  • Wonder how the bidding would go if TS put up a hagar polo shirt.

    • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

      Toilet paper at countdown is cheaper and easier to flush.

      • HogsWorth

        Yeh, $3.50 for 18 rolls instead of the usual $9.00 and no limit!

        • ex-JAFA

          $10 for 40 rolls at The Warehouse. They’re a little narrower than standard, but I seldom use the full width anyway.

          If I hadn’t already stocked up on those, I’d be taking advantage of the deal you found.

    • darren breen

      Fundraising idea – how bout putting up some copies of Dirty Politics personally signed by Cam with lovely little messages…..could be listed on Trademe in the fiction section……could really have some fun with this

  • rantykiwi

    So Len and his muppets have agreed to underwrite the borrowing of some social housing organisations so they can get a better interest rate. Are the muppets not aware that the higher interest rates are there precisely because this sort of lending is risky and that there’s a fair likelihood of the council having to cough up the moolah when they default on their borrowing?

    Len… you and Cathy Casey (the only politician with a more misleading election hoarding photo than the Caropotamus) had better be ready to personally make good any losses to the ratepayer from this incredibily naive move. You’d also better add some conditions to this underwriting like ensuring that all rent arrears are addressed quickly and harshly, and that all property damage costs are fully recovered from the tenants.

    • MaryLou

      Everything you say is absolutely correct – and yet she describes the concept as “clever” and “low-risk”. Clearly no experience of the issues she talks about. Likewise the concept of the govt wiping out loan sharks by getting banks to offer low interest rate loans for cars etc. I have no time for these lenders running around charging 39% odd, but fact is, a huge proportion of these loans default. As a taxpayer I have no desire to be the guarantor.

      • ex-JAFA

        If it really was clever and low-risk, Council wouldn’t get a look in because real investors would be climbing over each other to get into it.

  • Disinfectant

    Professor Bob Carter (Townsville, Queensland) had a letter published in the Press today detailing the Auckland tide gauge (which he describes as one of the longest and most accurate in the world) showing an average rate of sea-level rise of just 1.5mm/year between 1899 and 2009.
    He goes onto say that the average rate of rise in the Tasman Ocean region has been decelerating since about 1950.
    Furthermore he says that the exaggerated calculations of Dr Jan Wright (Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment) appear to be based on the estimates provided by satellite altimetry of Nasa’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
    As a consequence, the Shoalhaven Shire Council in New South Wales has recently determined to use only their nearest long tide gauge record (from Sydney Harbour) to set future planning policy.

  • InnerCityDweller
  • Disinfectant

    What’s a bank and what’s not a bank?
    Christchurch City Council makes loans to various community groups at no interest.
    Like it or not this is the quickest way to erode capital value.
    Now should the council have a bankers licence?
    Apparently not, but they are in breach of the various regulations surrounding financial services.
    They are now being required to register as a loan provider.
    You would think that they would know this. But apparently not. Or did they think that they could get away with it.
    Most likely.

    • JAFA Gazza

      Council’s have a way of spending (not their own) money. Look at Auckland.

  • Nige.

    i might have left it a bit late to get a decent list together, but i would REALLY like recommendations for some decent DOCUMENTARIES that you have enjoyed.

    Might ask again tomorrow too.

    • MaryLou

      Oldie but a goodie – Who killed the electric car

    • ex-JAFA

      Once Were Warriors and The Castle are the quintessential Kiwi/Ocker documentaries respectively.

      For docudrama, can’t go past From The Earth To The Moon by Tom Hanks.

    • JAFA Gazza

      An oldie…Richard Attenbororough Secret Life of Bird’s….especially the one wit the Australian Lyre Bird mimicing sounds in the forest next to tree fellers…. a classic. You Tube it…its brilliant!

    • Spiker

      The Trailer Park Boys.

      • Nige.

        serious?

    • Chris Chitens

      “20 feet from stardom” and “Sugar man”. Brilliant films and amazing stories.

    • ozbob68

      One Day in September

      • Nige.

    • Yeahright

      Cosmos: A space time Odyssey.

      It was awesome and so insightful.

    • chaff

      Rise of the Drones
      The BBC series on the Falklands

      • Nige.

    • mommadog

      BBC documentary “Inside the human body”. Narrated by Michael Mosely. Absolutely fascinating and goes through the entire lifespan from conception to death. Available on DVD 2-disc set. Might be available on you tube. The graphics are superb and better than any text book or other show I have seen on the subject of how we work.

      http://www.amazon.co.uk/Inside-Human-Body-Michael-Mosley/dp/B004URO45Q

    • Here’s one that never fails to please

    • Yeahright

      For all the plane nuts out there, Breaking the Sound Barrier
      http://youtu.be/Z3_IsZ5NP4Y

      • JAFA Gazza

        I’m a PPL …just glad you didnt say for “all the PLAIN nuts out there..” You’d have got me 3 times ;)

        • Yeahright

          Just didn’t want any fancy nuts to watch it!

      • Wasapilot

        Brilliant, thanks

    • ozbob68

      The Bridge, (2004) about suicides from the Golden Gate Bridge. Absolutely fascinating.

    • EveryWhichWayButLeft

      for a series… Vietnam, The 10,000 Day War.

    • Nige.

      reply to judes suggestion “planet earth” pole to pole animals

      http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xj0mcu_planet-earth-from-pole-to-pole_animals

    • EveryWhichWayButLeft

      Restrepo.
      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1559549/

      nb: I have Sebastian Junger’s book ‘War’ on the shelf. Looking forward to reading it over Christmas

    • Moonroof

      Dunno if they fit your definition of doco, but Anthony Bourdain’s Parts Unknown is interesting as hell from a food/cultural travelogue angle, and No Reservations (older, same production team, different network) is worth a look too.

    • Isherman

      The Ascent of Money, by Prof. Niall Freguson, its long with all episodes, link below to keep for future reference. Well worth the watch. He also does ‘War of the World’ also highly reccomended.
      Edit Spelling

    • Dairy_Flat

      The original “Cosmos ” with Carl Sagan. Stunning and his enthusiasm for his subject pours forth.

    • Ross

      Band of brothers.
      Edit: technically not a doc but still epic viewing

      • FredFrog

        Add “The Pacific” to that too

        • Nige.

          ohhh you mean the series. That was great!

        • Chris Chitens

          FredFrog- are you the guy who posts under a similar name on Shanghaiist? haha love your work..

    • http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0196wpw. Sicily Unpacked – food and history on a beautiful island, what more do you need.

    • Herbert Charles

      Tim’s Vermeer, Tim Jenison’s efforts to duplicate the painting techniques of Johannes Vermeer, in order to test his theory that Vermeer painted with the help of optical devices.

      http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1y5azy_tims-vermeer_tv

      • Nige.

        oh oh oh! thanks! good score.

    • Nige.

      here is my contribution. Go on. Give it a shot.

      Lemmy can be life changing.

      • Sunshine

        Second. Lemmy, it was fascinating.

    • Cowgirl

      ‘West of Memphis’ is excellent. Long, but excellent. Bit gruesome though.

      Also enjoyed ‘Crumb’ about R. Crumb. A complete crackpot with a crackpot family.

      I may think of others but those are 2 that spring to mind immediately.

      Edit: also found ‘Capitalism: a Love Story’ really shocking, but it’s Mike Moore, so you have to put up with him.

    • Wendy

      The best doco I have ever seen was about the women pilots during the war. Cant remember what it was called. Oops.

  • Sally

    Harre was rejected by RNZ Panel discussion today on the future of the Greens. The Greens complained about her participation. Now Martin Martyn Wrongly Wrongson is doing a moan about her being blacklisted!

    • mommadog

      Lets hope that’s only the beginning of her being blacklisted. She reaps what she sowed.

  • jude

    Planet Earth narrated by David Attenborough and World at War series BbC series. Easy to watch and the Planet Earth is great for kids

  • BM

    Song to put a smile on your face

    • geoff2112

      Great song…..loved it…..must be mid 70’s???

  • Guest

    Dear Santa…

    • Alright

      I filed this (the above) but somehow it was posted as “guest.” Don ‘t know why, but just owning up….

  • Alright

    Merry Christmas…

  • Greg M

    Tech / geek question. I have just purchased an iPad air 2 *skite* and want to know if I can copy music and videos from imac directly to ipad without mucking around using the icloud thing. There has got to be a better way ?

    • Gotta use iTunes apparently.

    • jcpry

      Yeah.there is. Get a Chrome Book.

    • Abjv

      Get a Microsoft tablet. Watch it reboot three times. Watch it complain about non-authenticated software. Locate 4 device drivers and install them. Remove the third in safe mode after it was not compatible with some obscure graphics chip. Locate your music. Get a serious system error pop up and go looking for the system disk that it is asking you to install. Swear loudly and throw device at the window breaking both. You now sound like a rock band so don’t need the music.

    • Chris EM

      You have to go through iTunes, which is a pain, but you don’t have to use the cloud. I don’t.

    • Lion_ess

      iTunes Greg, you can set it up to sync automatically between devices. Bit of mucking around to start with, but worth it.

  • Bill Hanna

    itunes- throw your music and video in there, then sync selected or all, depending on the size of your collection
    Edit- reply to Greg M below

  • Effluent
  • Morality aside. can people advise me if I would be breaking the law in any of the following situations:

    1) I provide a link on the Internet where you can watch a sports event that Sky have local broadcasting rights to

    2) If I embed that streaming video into a web page.

    The question really is, do I break any laws by choosing to

    a) obtain the content via a license holder other than Sky
    b) TELL you about it and how to do it yourself
    c) Pop it into a web page for ease of access so you can access it too.

    Once again, I don’t want to hear about the morality of it – Do I break any laws in either of the cases above? If so, which?

    • EveryWhichWayButLeft

      My understanding (not a lawyer by any stretch) is that Sky’s content rights are with the provider/owner for broadcast in this country – i.e. the provider can’t sell to another broadcaster in NZ.

      If you source your content from another provider, assuming you’re not breaching any of that providers rules then you’re ok.

      As far as providing links, I’m pretty sure this is ok too – the content is available online and it’s the consumer that makes the choice to consume it. You would have to act if you are made aware of breach of copyright, etc.

      Streaming content known to be pirated would land you in trouble I would think.

      • MaryLou

        Makes sense. The only thing that I’d think about, is how you’d classify the site in a commercial sense – ie if embedding a link could be considered in any way to be consumed by people who have financially contributed, or if there is any financial incentive to provide the links. That could make you a provider and in breach of copyright.

        Just a guess

        • Moonroof

          Is breaching copyright simply a matter of providing method (link et al)? That appears to be the real question.

          • MaryLou

            I think it’s also abut whether there is commercial gain to be made, but it seems like EWYBL above is correct – there always seems to be a take-down notice issued prior to any other action

      • Nige.

        “You would have to act if you are made aware of breach of copyright, etc.” ….this would make sense to me. For all the times when i have been watching a stream and it goes dead…and then the source has a message saying “we have been forced to remove”

        • EveryWhichWayButLeft

          I’m pretty sure it’s one of the things that caused .Crim to come unstuck. I only skimmed the deposition, but I seem to recall there being something about take-down notices and not complying with them [I may have mixed this up with media reports- I’m easily confused].

          If you ignore take-down notices from a copyright holder you too can have a visit from armed men in helicopters…

          • Ztev Konrad

            Thats the key, if you have a large traffic site they will have a takedown notice so fast your head will spin. They are watching all the time

    • Moonroof

      A la Netflix and geoblocking, I’m not seeing the breakage of laws that apply within NZ. Embedding a stream into a local page may be contestable, but linking to it, maybe workable.

      • So if I give you a link the an All Blacks game broadcast in the UK, you think that would be ok then?

        • Moonroof

          If that link happened to appear (anywhere), and I chose as a private individual to click and watch, a matter of choice. If the rights owners can be bothered to trace IPs and ISP, I’ll worry about that when it happens. I haven’t seen a starving subscriber TV company, sponsor, or competitor. [edit] removed contradiction.

          • That’s the thing do. Why does the scale make it legal/illegal? If I give it to you it’s ok. If I give it to 10 people, it’s probably ok. If I publish it here, it’s not ok?

          • Moonroof

            Maybe the real question is, would people on the voted most popular blog in NZ make use of such links if they were published? If so, what would be the blowback on WoBH? I’m not going to second guess anyone, but I doubt I’d put up such links were I there to make the call.

          • The question I have is if laws are broken. If so, which? That should be the important bit.

          • Moonroof

            Quite. I can’t think of one. Rights holders get paid, streams originate from places where rights holders are paid.

        • BlitzkriegNZ

          Haha I avoid doing that so you don’t block me. I stream every game of anything I watch.

          • Muffin

            Would love to from where in time for next year

        • Rocket

          I think anybody giving links to any rugby game in any country,on any planet, even in far away galaxies should be jailed.

    • Wheninrome

      I would check with Dotcom, isn’t he the expert on these sorts of things and has copious quantities of legal advice.
      Failing that Tom and Jerry might have had access to information, might be for sale.

    • rantykiwi

      I don’t think you do, any more than Cam broke the law wandering through the open door of Labour’s website and browsing the contents.

      That said, I’d be talking to an appropriate type of intellectual property lawyer before I did such a thing in a high profile manner. I don’t think prosecution is too likely, but I can see pressure being brought to bear on your hosting and connectivity providers who might just pull the pin on you.

      • Ztev Konrad

        That would be Ok if thats all he did. However he took some databse files and then used another company to unscramble them so they were readable.

    • elton_fred

      I suspect it depends on where this website is hosted. If outside NZ then probably not. If on NZ based servers then yes I imagine you’d be breaking some copyright laws.

      • can you break copy right by providing a link to a stream that originates outside of your NZ hosted server?

        • ozbob68

          It’s probably outside existing case-law, the legalities of the real world haven’t caught up to the internet. Hence the drawn out issues Herr Schmitz is experiencing. Best to do it privately and not stick your head above the parapet.

        • Mountie

          Link is OK but don’t embed it on your site, as you are now hosting the video.
          A link is the same as Google or any search engine will provide.

          • Embedding it on my side doesn’t host it. It’s simply a fancy link. The content still steams between the streaming site and the end user.

    • Champagneshane

      In your example Sky would have the territorial rights for NZ and about 12 miles out to sea around our coastline. You most certainly would not break any law by providing information about the link.

      It is up to Sky to ask the parent source of the content, ie., the content owner or rights holder to in turn ask the source of the link to desist from supplying the link information to you. But thats going to be difficult.

      Give if a go. At the most you will probably get a letter from Sky’s legal counsel spelling out their rights and probably the absence of yours and politely or semi politely asking you to desist..
      Then you can come back to the WO audience and see what the other side of the argument could consist of

    • Jas

      If SKY got the ‘license holder other than Sky’ to tell you to stop using them and you didn’t then I think there would be a case.

      You never said if you need to use a VPN to do this, if so then I think it would make the case against you stronger if there was one.

      As an aside to this with the increase in people streaming content and different countries having different prices there will come a day when there will be a worldwide set price. The first sports to do this in my opinion will NFL and the EPL.

  • PG

    Why is everyone so hard on Catherine Delahunty? After all, she has been socially aware and active since the age of 2. Crikey, at that age I didn’t even know my fort” and “da”. It’s true. It’s on the internet: https://home.greens.org.nz/people/catherinedelahunty

    • MaryLou

      Oh – it IS on the Internet, and particularly on the Greens’ site. Must be true then, they are our new morality watchdogs…

    • Blackcap

      I just went to the link and saw her profile pic. Has she been participating and doing her bit for Movember or do I need to go to Specsavers?

    • nellie

      That ‘lady’ has a moustache….

  • Wendy

    So the big question in my house today is this:

    If you die in space…in a space suit…will your body decompose?

    • Alright

      Wendy, this is not rocket science!

    • Greg M

      My guess would be yes. The small amounts of bacteria both aerobic and anearobic would go to town and do the business eventually.

    • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

      If the body cools quickly you would become a human popsicle is my guess and the bacteria would slow or stop until you defrosted.

      • Wendy

        But would you cool quickly in a space suit?
        The suit element was critical to the debate.

        • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

          When the suit’s batteries die the heating system stops working and the cold of space will quickly cool the body.

          Of course I am guessing.

          • Wendy

            So give us a time frame?

          • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

            How long is a piece of string? I have no idea about the batteries. I could guess but it would be just a guess.

          • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

            You have great questions at you house Wendy.

          • Wendy

            Yeah, I have great answers too. Most of them bear no resemblance to the truth

          • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

            I try not to let the truth stand in the way of a good story.

          • Dave

            And, it depends on the amount of Gin, whiskey or rum drink in the previous 3 hours, or the amount of Chilli in the curry consumed earlier turning the stomach contents highly alkaline!

          • EveryWhichWayButLeft

            It’s more like the other way… space suits dump heat because the astronauts are usually working in sunlight. I imagine the heat transfer is done with liquids and radiators, i.e mechanical not battery powered so they might keep doing it for ages.

            If you die in the dark, then yeah, – popsicle time as soon as the battery is flat. My guess is that this would be measured in hours, not days.

      • Wendy

        So the next obvious question is below what temperature will bacterial life not be supported?

    • MaryLou

      Yes until the oxygen is used up? Without the space suit then no?

      • Wendy

        Don’t forget anaerobic bacteria.

        • MaryLou

          Yes. I think they’re right below, re battery. Your house sounds like my house – If you’re moving the speed of light, can you see yourself in a mirror?

          • Not enough info – please provide the frames of reference

          • MaryLou

            You’re on a train going the speed of light, holding a mirror. 1. Can you see your reflection in the mirror, and 2 would someone outside the train see your reflection in the mirror

          • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

            All things are relative. 1> the mirror and you are moving at the same speed so yes.

            2> The person standing next to the track observing you is destroyed in the blink of an eye due to the speed of the train. Depends on the direction of trave relative to the stationary person.

          • MaryLou

            Gotta go to bed – the answer for anyone interested (cost me $10 dammit): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVKFBaaL4uM (Veritaseum)

          • Wendy

            As anyone holding the mirror? If so who?

          • MaryLou

            It’s your mirror – you can hold it!

          • Wendy

            Really?
            And can I have pink lippy too?

            Edit: Disregard. This is getting weird.

          • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

            If you are moving with the mirror yes you would see a current image

            If you are moving away from the mirror you would see an old reflection or a stationary image (if faster then you see nothing in the direction you have come from)

            If you are moving towards it you would see a future self or an image in fast forward.

            My brain hurts and I have probably got this wrong (never studied physics) On my list to ask Steven Hawking now as I am interested.

          • MaryLou

            But for you to see an image of yourself, the image would be travelling faster than the speed of light, which we know is impossible. What happens to mass then?

          • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

            Ohhh good point. To see an image it would have to go faster than the speed of light which is impossible…….

            Oh now my head really hurts.

          • Grocersgirl

            We had this discussion years ago. We concluded that if you travelled at the speed of light you would meet yourself coming the other way. Mind you, the discussion was had late at night and was well lubricated……

          • Right, it’s ‘relative’ so the mirror you are looking in is travelling at your speed, so the net difference is zero, so yes you can see yourself in the mirror.

            An Observer would also see you and you in the mirror as these travelled towards him at the Speed of light.

            Similarly, two spaceships travelling towards each other at the speed of light, they would observe the other object moving at the speed of light, not twice the speed of light.

            It is relative you where you observe it from.

          • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

            I must get My Hawkings books out and educate myself (or set fire to my brain).

    • EveryWhichWayButLeft

      It depends where… if you’re exposed to sunlight then there will be enough heat to keep bactaria alive. As long as the environment in the suit supports this (like having enough oxygen, etc) then you will start to decompose. Then again, too much sunlight will cook everything to a crisp.

      Out of sunlight, you’ll freeze, along with everything else – so no decomposition (all heat will be radiated away, regardless of the suit).

      To put in perspective… the temp at the international space station in the shade is -100 ºC, but in the sun, it can heat to +260 ºC

      • Alright

        Every Which Way (this is meant as humour):

        You sound like a space cadet.

        • Wendy

          Or a rocket surgeon?

          • Alright

            Orbital scientist?

          • Must be. He definitely isn’t a brain scientist

          • Alright

            Could be he is simply gravity challenged and enjoys flying higher than us…

            Enough already. Off to bed. Thanks Pete, Wendy, Every Which Way (etc). The laughs make my day.

            PS It could be that Every Which Way is simply spatially challenged.

  • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

    If a man says something in a space suit in the vacuum of space and no one hears him, is he still wrong?

    • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

      Right I’m off to bed. Have to get up early to earn some taxes for the socialists to spend on my behalf on stuff I dont want or want it spent on.

      Night all.

      • The Last Crusade

        Goodnight, Comrade. The People’s Republic Of New Zealand thanks you for your hard work.

        Long Live State Corporatism!

        Long Live John Key!

        Long Live the Communist International!

    • Wendy

      Well duh…

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