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  • Nige.

    Rant to follow: Its funny. i can go weeks without seeing REALLY bad driving. Then all of a sudden theres 5 or so near misses in one day. what i hate most is people who dont indicate until the last possible second…or worse, maneuver THEN indicate…

    edit: actually its not funny at all.

    • Carl

      Try driving in Queenstown Nige, it is an everyday occurence

      • Nige.

        i suspect marlborough is often like Qtown. you can always pick when its tourist season.

        • Cadwallader

          This Christmas is going to be very difficult. How can anyone drive across the Canterbury Plains at 101kms per hour in a 3.6 220kw German machine?

          • TonyM

            Built for highway speeds at least twice that and will maintain that pace for hours without feeling like your driving on the edge. If only we could an autobahn in Canterbury. ;-)

        • Skydog

          I often drive in Blenheim, and it would have to rate up there as one of the worst towns to drive in. Add in that stupid roundabout with the train track running through it and you guys must have frequent mayhem!

    • Nechtan

      The manoeuvre and then indicate drives me nuts, especially if you have to take evasive action to avoid them, just indicate before you turn you muppets!

      • Nige.

        john key doesn’t need to change the flag for a legacy. just returning the give-way law back to how it was is enough accolade for me. things were way worse before.

        • Nechtan

          The give way law is back the way it was. (although I do have a few years on you)

          • Nige.

            yes. and is good ay!

          • Nechtan

            Yes it is. ( I misunderstood your post (must be the beer))
            edit definitely the beer

          • Nige.

            No. I dun it. It was My fault.

    • James Growley

      Or, you indicate in plenty of time and the idiot on the right speeds up as soon as he sees your indication so you can not safely complete the maneuver.

    • jonno1

      It’s the silly season – starts about 1 December. People thinking about shopping rather than driving, then texting at the lights and sitting on the green…

    • Steve (North Shore)

      Full moon is tomorrow night. The morons started the nonsense about last Wed.
      Also some cars do have working indicators, but that is a factory default, especially in Auckland

      • Cadwallader

        Isn’t “Full Moon” the time when things go really weird at Annette King’s house? Dazza Hughes will advise whether there’s a boys’-own party up there tonight.

    • Michelle

      or when you are following a truck and trailer who he indicates to go right then turns left
      Or the one today who is going at the speed limit then suddenly slams on anchors indicates and just manages to take the turn

    • wooted

      What scared the heck out of me was waiting at a Give Way, guy coming from my right turns on his indicator to turn into my street. Luckily I pause to see if anything is coming the other way, because as I pull out, the muppet shoots across my bow and has the temerity to blast his horn at me.

      Needless to say my comments would get me banned from WO.

  • cows4me

    Took the ship out for a fish today, sea was beautiful, it’s being such a long time since the sea has being so good. To many westerlies. It was a bit slow but we got a feed,fresh fish for tea tonight, yum.

  • Hakaru

    Went to the opening of the Mangawhai Museum today. Just want to let Whalers that if they come up this way, the museum is a great place to go. It has taken the community 8 years or so to build and outfit the museum. Mostly done with volunteer labour and donations. No government money used so shows that there does not have to be oversight by government to get things done in small communities when providing local amenities. This museum is a credit to all of those who were involved and other communities could use it as a blueprint for things that they would like to build for their localities. Once again, when in Mangawhai, please drop in and support this endeavour.

    • EveryWhichWayButLeft

      Maybe you should have got the local community to do the sewerage scheme too… I’m sure they would have done a much better job than KDC #justsayin

      • Hakaru

        Exactly the reason not to get the council and government involved.

  • Nechtan

    Leslie West (ex Mountain)

  • Nige.

    Tool is Ok.

  • Nechtan

    I’m in a Leslie West/Mountain mood so here are two covers of Bob Dylan songs

    Masters of War (with Ozzy on backing vocals)
    Tambourine Man

  • chris

    Dear Santa…

  • Raibert

    What is affordable housing? I haven’t seen any definition, surely it can’t be too hard to work out amount of income left after “required” living costs and what this sum equates to in ability to fund a purchase. There are a large number of New Zealanders who must be looking in disbelief at the average house prices and wondering if they will ever be able to purchase a house.
    One of the fundamentals of a stable society is the ability of the citizens to provide shelter for their families in a sustainable way. Surely we are beginning to fail here and the longer term results of this could be dire. This is not only true of Auckland as incomes seem to be less in rural areas.

    • MaryLou

      General rule of thumb was having a 30% deposit, and up to 30% of your income could be allocated to housing.

      Edit: Used to be that way

      • MoggieManiac

        Yes; but those were the days when yearly international holidays wasn’t a basic right and for most people, a big percentage of their furniture was second hand.

        • MaryLou

          This is true! But still that should all have to come out of the remaining 70%

      • Raibert

        So with average household incomes at $81k (2013 stats) this means 30% equals 24k available per year. On your formula a $400k house would require $100k deposit(a real stretch for most), 10k year principal and $16.5k interest at 5.5%. Numbers are all indicative however this would seem to indicate that $400k is affordable. Without overseas trips etc.
        Why then are we building and selling average houses far beyond this? They are obviously not for those on average incomes unless they are taking a greater risk than may be wise.
        Seems we should all be talking about a much smaller number than is being used by politicians, media, builders etc as that which would make home ownership a realistic goal.

        • MaryLou

          There are houses available for $400k. But not in prime areas, which is what new buyers want for a first home, and not in the condition they want. Expectations have gone through the roof. I’m considerably older than your average first home buyer, and bought for around that price in an area most people just really don’t want to live. Price this year: well, a lot more. Point is, if you swallow your pride, buy a do-upper and accept it’ll be a while till you get what you want, it’s more than doable – still

          • Wendy

            So I just had a quick look on Trademe at Avondale, Blockhouse Bay and Balmoral. There were hardly any houses with prices on, and of those that had prices, there was nothing under $600,000

          • MaryLou

            Yep – not around there. You really have to look Manukau, Papatoetoe etc. The will be next, and it’s already beginning. But same thing applies – these areas will change rapidly – it only takes a few to start the ball rolling

          • MaryLou

            And final note on that topic if you’re still not convinced – the percentage increase in value of homes in these outlying areas are far, far higher than more established areas. It well and truly offsets any interest repayments

          • Raibert

            Great to know, and I guess that new homes have never really been in the “affordable” bracket. This was certainly true when we bought our first home 40 years ago, unless you built it yourself.
            Maybe as some have said, expectation of owning your parents home as a first home is unrealistic for most. And a large dose of expectation management is required.

          • MaryLou

            Yes – and that’s an interesting point. My father grew up in Paptoetoe (when it was, apparently a “good” area) – and he is still very proud of how his father and he renovated the entire building, and hand-built all the cabinetry. Even if modern schedules allowed it, how many city-dwellers nowadays have the skills for these things?

          • Raibert

            It’s not about having skills but having the motivation to seek out the knowledge and skills required and then in Kiwi fashion giving it a go. Some time ago a lot of this education was done at night school classes run by local high schools, sadly this has become a victim of budget cuts. Maybe this is one of those unintended consequence things or just short sightedness on the part of the community education funders.
            I once worked with an 80 year old who taught herself how to tile her kitchen walls by reading library books. A real inspiration.

          • MaryLou

            Yes, part of it is definitely the desire and willingness to throw yourself in boots and all. About 8 years ago I had younger kids and wasn’t working, so I got myself an apprenticiship with a painter. Not for the money so much, but because I wanted to know if it was really as hard as people said! Turns out it’s not, and I can now “swing a door” with the best of them. I’m sure that’s true of a lot of things round the home

    • BlitzkriegNZ

      The thing is, prices are high due to too many people going after too few houses. Logical conclusion is that they are affordable enough if so many people are trying to buy them.
      As for people like me, sucks to have not made smart decisions in the past to ensure I have savings or other investments to leverage off to make sure I’m one of those buyers.

    • Hakaru

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11369710
      When we see plants like this in operation we should see some affordability being built into houses. This type of “flat pack home’ makes a lot of sense here as weather is not a factor when building. Hopefully this operation will change the way that we build for the families now struggling to get onto the property ladder. Hopefully the manufacturer will realize that charging excessive prices for these homes will not be in his best interest. Standardizing the homes should eliminate a lot of costs associated with non standard plans.

      • MaryLou

        One of my favourite tv programmes is My Flatpack home. Amazing the variety they have in UK and Europe. And yes, the prices of the build are just so much cheaper. I wonder though, even if we did have that type of company here, whether material costs would still stop it being “affordable”

        • James Growley

          I have heard of people shipping “flat pack” homes from Australia at a far lesser cost than they can purchase in NZ.

          • MaryLou

            Incredible. It’s been discussed on an earlier backchat, but the amount of times a monopoly as been named as one of the main causes of house price increases (apart from land supply), and yet nothing changes. I remember this conversation taking place over 10 years ago!

          • Hakaru

            When I left Canada, you could buy precut 4×2 studs for 99 cents. When I arrived here they were $8.40 for the same thing. Who is making the money.

          • MaryLou

            Yep – only 1 main company here, methinks

          • James Growley

            Yes, when you watch some of the UK building programs and see the costings, it makes you wonder why we are so costly. For gods sake, over there they can renovate a whole house for what it cost me to renovate my kitchen and bathroom.

        • Lux

          Are flatpack homes the same as this company is selling?

          http://www.ehome.nz/on-site-construction.html

          • MaryLou

            Wow! Looks like it could be! Would be interesting still to compare their prices to what it would be importing from Aus as James says. A quick look found me some quite nice 4 beds for up to $97k. Add a few grand for shipping, a bit more for the concrete pad and assembly, that’s still really cheap

          • Lux

            There is one being built in our street .. they are putting down the foundations now, they have bought two sections .. so it will be interesting to see what happens.

          • MaryLou

            Let us know – and if you can squeeze any costings info out of them !

          • Lux

            I have been trying to find out for ages, what is happening, they are not telling…

      • James Growley

        What we really need is for councils to free up more land so first time home buyers can secure a plot of land. it doesn’t need to be the standard 1/4 acre, because with all the brilliant innovations these days you can build a superb residence on a smaller plot.

    • Wendy

      The measure of housing affordability is housing cost as a percentage of income.

      The reason there isn’t a definition is because what is affordable to one person isn’t affordable to another.

      Yes, as some people say, Auckland is perfectly affordable…for some people but not others.

      The much vaunted and anticipated “affordable housing” at Hobsonville Point is aimed at families with a household income over $100,000.

  • BM

    Bit of classic Kiwi rock, go the Tron.

    • BM

      Another awesome song from one of the best rock bands to come out of NZ, shades of early Iron Maiden

  • Fight for Life on Pay-per-view

    um who really is interested in that particular card? , and who pays the ppv for that?

  • Skydog

    So another Kiwi has been caught in Asia with meth. Gets me how someone could be found with 75kgs of meth. That’s a huge amount. If the government don’t execute you, I’m sure the Godfather will see to you.

    Why are people so so stupid?

    • ex-JAFA

      With the older chap who may have been duped, I find it difficult to believe anyone really believed he was going to Bali to wed. Neither his son nor his best friends were going, which rings alarm bells. Also, TV3 say the constabulary contacted him and advised him not to go.

      • Lux

        I agree, but sometimes, some people are so lonely, and believe any tripe they are told…

        • Nechtan

          Just how lonely does a person need to be to smuggle drugs into Indonesia? (or anywhere for that matter). It beggars belief.

          • Lux

            I agree, it is totally stupid, but some people are so naive, and no matter how many times you warn them …

            It’s like the scammers who phone you or contact you online .. Just be aware .. don’t send money, and don’t carry parcels for them into freaky countries..

          • Ilovelife

            The guy sounds like an idiot. Has several children to several women….enough said.

    • Dave_1924

      Greed… its one of the seven deadly sins. It will be interesting to see if the Chinese execute him or whether NZ’s good relations save his life….

      • Skydog

        I don’t know who I would rather be facing, the Chinese or Indonesians? With 75 kgs they may be lenient if he provides a few names. Still he will be looking at a very long uncomfortable lag.

        • Nechtan

          75kgs should be an instant bullet, even if he coughs up names.

          • Raibert

            Do the crime, pay the time or whatever punishment fits.

      • Forrest Ranger

        Why should NZ save him? 75Kg is obvious criminal smuggling in a country where everyone knows they have the death penalty. Although I feel for his family I think it is about time countries like China and Inonesia followed through on their own rules and got on with it quickly as it would send the right message to other idiots.

        • Dave_1924

          Not saying we should save him – but will be interesting to watch what our government does and how the media react….

    • Lux

      People are stupid.

    • Raibert

      How do you carry 75kgs? I once toured with a 30kg back pack – nearly ruined me….

      • Lux

        Actually .. thinking about it, he must have suitcases full of it ..
        I can carry 20kgs of potatoes for a minute .. but that’s about it.

    • Bluemanning

      Thought it was 1 point 7 kgs, i.e.1.7kgs of meth

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/63880972/kiwi-on-bali-meth-charge

  • Caprice

    Wallace Chapman is set to interview the erstwhile co-leader of the Greens AND the leader of NZ First. Sunday morning National radio.
    Can someone listen to it and write up the silly bits for me to read later in the day. I don’t think I have the stomach for it personally..

    • Sooty

      It will be a quick kiss and cuddle with him!

    • Alright

      Caprice to send the silly bits will involve transcribing the whole interview.

  • Alright

    Christmas and childhood imagination….

  • Alright

    This was posted in WO “Backchat” earlier. Its too funny not to isolate and highlight..

    • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

      If you are attacked and beaten badly by clowns is it still considered a “serious assault”?

      • Alright

        Not if it is the joker who attacks you.

  • Bert Piepoint

    Am I the only person who has had a guts full of Mille Elder-Holmes? I find her pathetic oh woe is me carry-one just one article too many. Just saying.

    • Reaper

      I am sure you are not the only person, but I do have a spot of sympathy for her. I get the feeling it is probably the media pushing her for these articles, not her pushing for them.

    • jsb1685

      Agree. She is all over the press and the tv. Hopefully after tonight’s Fight for Life she will disappear. The line of the night on the boxing broadcast…..Interviewer: ‘So what skills can we expect to see from you tonight?’ Millie: `Fighting skills’.

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