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  • Isherman

    Heard this today and couldn’t help thinking about some bloke that’s a host on Radio Live and “that photo” of his wife, lol.

    • Wendy

      Or…

  • LabTested

    I was out on the motorbike for the last 2 days. Very aware of new 1km over speed limit rules. Now here is the thing. Unlike a car, on my bike you can not view your speedo in a heads-up position (ie you must move you head & not just glance)

    Normally I don’t look at the speedo. I judge my speed by the traffic around me.

    So either I can be looking through corners – i.e 30m ahead, looking at other cars, (like the young lady today who changed lanes cos she wanted to share it with me) or I can be looking at my speedo. I know which is more dangerous, and it is not being a few kmph over.

    ..Also, trucks & their blind spots. I want to get past these asap. A quick twist of the throttle today got me out of the danger zone & I went from 100k to 120k for a couple of seconds, then back to the limit

    • Isherman

      It’s just ridiculous. If the 1km over was only enforced strictly in places like Hospital zones, schools etc. I might be slightly more sympathetic. At 49-50 or 99-100 k’s, then 1 km extra is not about safety..period.

    • HSV325

      Any stats been released from the fuzz on numbers caught 1kmh over the limit yet?

    • Ilovelife

      I thought the police had back tracked on the 1k limit and that it was still 4k. Am I wrong?

    • unitedtribes

      I would have gone from 100 to 150 with the same twist and assumed that was the safest thing to do. Alway ride that bike 5 kl./hr faster than the traffic Thats the safest. F the rules

    • cows4me

      It’s full on revenue gathering around here. Speed camera hiding under veranda of disused dairy factory, muffty car half a k up the road waiting around corner. They’re just scum and no I didn’t get caught, the road is perfectly safe for at least 110k.

      • LabTested

        perfectly safe? …. apart from the cow poo. 2 years ago I lead a tour group from europe for a 3 week bike trip & I had to explain about the afternoon milking & the cow poo on the roads

        • cows4me

          Very little cow poo on state highways these Lab, not around here anyway. Most have underpasses or the side of the road is fence off as a cow race.

      • caochladh

        From memory, it was about 1968 when the Traffic Department started taking delivery of radar equipment. It was attached to the rear of their vehicles and looked like a large spare tyre with a white cover. It wasn’t long before tickets started flowing like water which upset many including two young technicians who were working in a newly created electronic development division of one of the major company’s of the day. In any event they created a Heath Robinson type device that returned the signal to the radar units with greatly increased capacity that apparently done something to the diode. They fitted the device into a Morris Minor van and allegedly caused a lot of headaches before deciding to stop before they got caught.

    • OneTrack

      I guess they didn’t think about such problems when they came up with the 101 master plan.

  • Nige.

    Two songs from two bad boys…about… NOT being bad boys.

    • dgrogan

      George does a great, “Bbbbbb bad to the bone” too.

      • LabTested

        I saw George in Auckland about 8 years ago. In front of us were 1/2 a dozen lads who had clearly had one too many. During the NZ warm up band they were trying to get us all to chant a request ‘ bad to the Bone’ – I had to explain to them that George Thorogood was not a 25 yr old Maori, so they should leave the poor singer alone.

        By the time the main act came on they were asleep

  • Nige.

    Is it right to be encouraging my kids to go busking?

    They’re only 7 and 9 but very keen to sing and earn some of their OWN ca$h.

    I think its pretty good….but it still feels like bludging. People dont HAVE to hand over their change if they dont want to. Right?

    • dgrogan

      No. It’s definitely NOT bludging, Nige. Good on them. I reckon people like giving money to buskers, because the buskers are actively earning the income by giving something back – like entertainment. Begging is something else again, which should be discouraged.
      Good on your kids I say.

    • LabTested

      I think the key word here is ‘encouraging’ If it is their idea then great support it. However If they are doing it cos dad ‘encouraged’ them, then they will take all their doubts & uncertainty with them.

      • Nige.

        Its 99% them. I say “busking?” And they say “ahhh!!!ahhhhh!!!! Yes yes yes! I’ll get the busking hat!!!”. That’s pretty much my input…other than providing security and being the accountant.

        • LabTested

          You forgot management fee. Don’t go all Socialist on us. Make sure you get your cut

    • caochladh

      Of course it is Nige and apart from high volume foot traffic places, its worth a few hours outside a radio or TV station – you never know what may transpire.

    • Michelle

      Good idea they get to see how the public view them and what they are offering

      Our son used to have a stall at markets and it was a good learning curve for him

      he got to interact with the public and found out what the public wanted not just what he thought they might like, he learnt alot
      l did stand in the background but left him to it

    • Betty Swallocks

      Right? It should be compulsory! No way is it bludging if they are being creative! Better that than they sit indoors all day glued to a playstation. I always make a point of stopping to listen to buskers and I’ll always give a few coins if they’re any good, even if the material isn’t quite what I would like to hear, no matter what ages they are.

      • Nige.

        I know. They just got mine craft on Xbox for Christmas. They’ve been spawning cows and chickens all weekend.

        • Betty Swallocks

          Singing good … Xbox bad!

          • Nige.

            Learning about “spawning”…very bad!

    • Chris EM

      As long as it’s not country and western music.

      • Nige.

        They sign songs from (what else…) frozen. The odd Katy Perry one if they are feeling adventurous and the national anthem.

        • Chris EM

          That’s ok, then. The national anthem is the only one I’d recognise.

          • Wallace Westland

            Not if it’s sung by sol3 mio in Chicago for an historic rugby test match you wouldn’t…well I didn’t anyway! :(

      • LabTested

        C&W this will change your mind. Brad Paisley, a C&W love song – I want to check you for ticks (insects)

        • Chris EM

          Started out promising, but I only made it to 1:58. ; )

          • LabTested

            OK. Let me tempt you with Canadian – Celtic Music. Lots of Scots immigrated to Canada. – As I understand it, this is a Canadian Scottish band on tour in the UK, singing – I need to go home (I have been drunk for a week, I have been drunk since I left)

            Spirit of the West

          • Chris EM

            This stuff I like. It’s not what I would classify as country and western.

          • LabTested

            Not C&W. I was going off at a tangent that seemed to make sense at the time :)

          • Mark

            Classifying Music by Genre is one of my pet hates.

          • edee

            Chris EM maybe this will do if for you then … guaranteed to get your feet a tappin. Brad Paisley and John Fogerty

          • Chris EM

            I certainly don’t find that offensive, can listen to that no probs.

          • edee

            Great. Now just for good measure 1 more. There’s a lot of bad C&W out there but there’s a lot of great songs and singers too.

          • jcpry

            Seriously? One of my all time most disliked bands. Living Next Door to Alice was ok but pretty much everything else was repetitive noise.

          • Chris EM

            Put it this way, I prefer it to Dolly Parton. Didn’t realise they did ‘Alice, quite liked that song.

          • Mark


            Ok lets see if this works? We’re Country fans,we can laugh at ourselves no problem at all.

          • LabTested

            I Have never been able to hear ‘Copper Head Road’ on the radio without turning up the volume to max

          • Mark

            Half my Youtube playlist seems to be having issues,region specific I suspect.This appears to be working,fingers crossed.

          • Mark

            Ok if I don’t stop after this I’ll start drinking & keeping the neighbours awake…

          • edee

            That’s the trouble with you tube, hard to stop once you start looking. Here’s another Dr Hook fav.

          • Chris EM

            Now ain’t that a peach

          • mommadog

            You know those so what university studies that people get paid to do? I remember a study came out where someone sat in various theme bars and watched how much people drank. It seems that in bars that play country music people drink more. Go figure… It was about 10 years ago and done in the States but I’m pretty sure it was reported in one of our papers here at the time.

          • Mark

            Not so much anymore here anyway,”mostly” line dancers,they sure know how to enjoy themselves without drinking.
            My not drinking & driving curtails my supporting the venues as much as I would like.

          • mommadog

            I have several Steve Earle CDs as thought he was great. I felt old when his son started bringing out albums. Have you checked him out – not bad. He has been out to NZ to play a couple of times. More blues than country.

          • Mark

            I nearly bought that album.

          • Dave

            Absolute classic, Thanks.

        • mommadog

          Good on you lab tested. I’m a loud and proud Country music lover. Raised on the stuff.

          • Michelle

            we have a weekend of it coming up soon we can hear it from our place not too bad but some of the walk up ones make you reach for the ear muffs

      • Betty Swallocks

        Oi! Nothing wrong with a good C&W song – the emotion in some of them is immense.

    • Wendy

      I tend think if the music is kinda ok its busking, but if its more akin to torture then its begging.

    • Wallace Westland

      It’s perfectly fine so long as it’s nowhere near where I live Nige.

    • hbboy

      Go for it – that’s how musicians and/or entrepreneurs get started!!

    • Greg M

      Tell them to go for it. Helps to encourage a work ethic and a whole lot of other good things.

    • Isherman

      Tell them to go fill their boots (or whatever they collect in), as long as they are safe, and have any permissions that would be courteous to get, go for it. I only say that because I’ve seen a couple of youngish kids busking in Manurewa in the past without anyone older keeping an eye on them and the thought struck me that it would not be inconceivable for some ratbag to just grab the hat and bolt.

    • Cowgirl

      Encourage them – kids tend to rake it in. I have a couple of nephews who have done it on occasion and they make a killing, especially in the not-flash areas.

    • yes it is…it is entrepreneurial, and teaches them about market forces, that is play what the audience likes and get money, play rubbish get nothing.

  • Michelle

    Is it me or are other people noticing that world wide (pretty much) that governments are sitting on the fence or on their hands while councils and others in power, judges etc are running amok or kowtowing to terrorists

    In NZ after daily reading WO l shake my head and think this is a great place but judges, councils etc are ruining this place including the government by bowing to all and sundry who have their wants recognized instead of working together l can see this won’t end well and either there is an outbreak of war like we have never seen before or we will all go to hell in a handcart on a worldwide scale

  • Rick H

    I work for a rather large “Construction” company; mainly roading and infrastructure – Our health and safety policies have change markedly since I started there.
    WE are now required to wear “Dayglo’s” at all times etc, and hard hats if anywhere near a digger.

    What do you think would happen to any new employee who decided he was not going to wear the hat, or the dayglo?

    Precisely. he would work for us No Longer.

    It should and MUST be like that to any Islamist in this country.
    If they don’t like anything we do, like crosses on churches,

    They are gone by lunchtime.

    Simple – and easy.
    No exceptions will be considered.

    • Cadwallader

      What if the Islamo was forced to wear a Dayglo vest with wording on the back: “I am a jihadist intent on suicide and destruction.” Would OSH act or pick on the employer? I suspect the employer would be fined and humiliated.

      • Rick H

        but at least, we’d know who to shoot.

    • Sooty

      Worked construction on a site 100m sq and a couple of hundred people. orange dayglow every where on the people, plant, scaffold. It ment nothing, there was too much. All the dangerous stuff got hidden in the orange clutter.

      • PhantomsDoc

        Went past a major works on the motorway. The only person I readily picked out was the guy in the black suite with no hi-vis. All the others blended in. It was perfect camouflage.

  • HunuaRanger

    Will it be revealed that the perpetrator of the “4 Square Paihia Hostage Drama Terrorist-like attack” is a lone-wolf Islamist Jihadist, or merely a disaffected, socially inadequate, poverty stricken, non-sectarian nutbar, with a machete fixation who needs our support and hugs to get through his issues?

    I wait with abated breath.

    • Hard1

      Look, having just read Bryce Edwards, the guy is clearly suffering from inequality.

  • Wendy

    My musical offering tonight: Foo Fighters, Piece of the Gammon.

    Lol.

    • Nige.

      ill see you a feast and the famine…and RAISE you a white limo

  • Wendy

    My boys have both taken up ice hockey this year and they are getting pretty good.

    So today was the day I decided to relearn how to skate after thirtymumble years. I totally loved it…until the bit when someone crashed into me and tipped me over, smacking my head on the ice.

    Several hours later it is clear that I don’t have a head injury…but an ass injury. Ouchies!

    • Stuarts.burgers

      Will you be taking up full contact Ice Hockey or will you be doing you best Sarah Palin impersonation on the side line.

      • Wendy

        Id love to play but it would mean training with my ex husband. That would end badly. Lol.

        • Stuarts.burgers

          Do you still want to body check him into the boards 8-)

        • Isherman

          A good slam into the ice would be perfect then, they do say revenge is a dish best served cold, what better place than the cold hard ice, lol.

    • Isherman

      Awsome game,into electric guitar and Ice hockey,.. they’re gonna be just fine.

      • Nige.

        This is what you get when you mix the two. oh dear.

        (shhh dont tell anyone im actually a big nickle-back fan)

        • Isherman

          Phew, lucky it was NY they were hanging out with, if they hung out with my team Pittsburgh, I’d damn near drop my support, lol.
          (not a nickelback fan…at all)

        • Wendy

          Me too. Shhhhh.

        • Dave

          Ditto – after metallica…..

      • Wendy

        Yeah.
        Im threatening them with red and white striped knitted leggings, just like Pippi Longstockings. Sooo mean!

    • 1951

      It’s always the hurt that we never recall and it is ten fold after mumbles years.

      • Wendy

        Unfortunately I recall the pain all too well. Ive had some wicked injuries, but we cant let fear stop us.

        • 1951

          That’s the spirit. I got on beautiful thoroughbred after 15 yrs of not riding. She read the situation well, bolted off across 20 acre paddock and as approaching gate I braced for the jump and she stopped dead in front and politely dumped me against it. Was not funny for a week or so.

    • Chris EM

      It’s very fortunate you’re not a socialist, Wendy. An ass injury like that would’ve left you badly concussed.

    • Dave

      I (Roller) skated from 7 to about 15, Speed and figure, kept me fit and agile for many years, and can still skate reasonably well, but definately not for long or at a greatly skilled level. Out of the blue, our Daughter announced at 10 she wanted to go to the skating rink and take lessone, she turned down figure and dance to take on Speed skating (inline) eventually representing her stat eand Aussie.

      Nothing wrong with any sport for kids. I recall one parent moaning about the costs involved one night (it did get costly at the national level), and the coach added “if you think Skating is expensive, try paying for drug rehabillitation”

      Er, good luck with the recovery, and at least the bruises will be covered, no dark glasses necessary :)

  • cows4me

    Was listening to the radio while cooking the tea and they were talking about how people get their names. There is a agricultural contracting family in the district with the surname of Price, which is somewhat unfortunate for them. Like all people in the area they have nick names. The father and boss is known as full Price, his oldest son is known as half Price, his daughter is known as priceless and the youngest son is known as cut Price.

    • Sooty

      Father was Sticky, son is Tacky.

      • minnie

        Knew three brothers once, Slash, Bash & Crash. Also a lady whose name started with R dating a somebody Sole. She would have been Mrs R. Sole!!!

        • aero13

          In Tauranga in the late 1950’s, there was a traffic cop with exactly that name – Robert Sole.

          • 1951

            I think he moved to Timaru. I remember the older brothers were very fond of him.

          • Disinfectant

            Was that the traffic cop who had the nickname “Joe 90”.

          • 1951

            He was always referred to as Mr. R. Sole. and would have trouble which brother or cousin he would follow from the North end of the Bay. (Oh the stupid things you remember from childhood!!)

          • Gaynor

            I was in Timaru when he was around.

    • I went to school with a guy called Miles Romanes. And a really top bloke, who has sadly passed now was called Robin Hood.

    • Dave

      School in early 70’s, he had a guy named
      Hiscock, and at the local girls school a girl with the name of Hercock.
      The debate was ongoing. He became a mate, and his nickname is best left out.

      • Albert Lane

        Our next-door neighbour’s wife has the same Christian name as her married surname. Can you beat that?

    • PhantomsDoc

      Did some work for John McCracken at McCracken Motors in Dunedin. He DID call his son Phil.

      Also worked with guy named Bird. His wife was Jeanette Isabel Bird.

  • Sally

    So would you trust Cam to look after your cat?
    After an earlier post today Cam is the last person you would trust with your cat.
    It appears that there are a few people out there who don’t realise that all the cat pictures and videos are courtesy of Pete.
    Now check out this little survey that was in the Herald last Saturday

    • dgrogan

      Link?

      • Sally

        refresh pic

        • dgrogan

          Thnks, S.

          Edit: I really wonder about the 3.8% who couldn’t decide.

    • Wendy

      I would…he has a good team at home.
      Unlike Loose Lips Lyin’ Lascivious Len.

    • Nige.

      I think pete loves cats.

    • Dave

      U,, Whilst i would trust Cam with all manner of things, my family, bank accounts house business etc, he doesnt seem that interested in cats, but im sure he would be okay, as he would be looking after a colleagues cat! However, Len looking after a little cat, NO WAY, the cat would never be the same.

    • Sensible survey…I’d kill the cat in all likelihood. Hate the things.

      • Lux

        I’m off cats after my homeless cat, has now suddenly appeared with 3 kittens .. they are like hungry monsters, and I’m totally off them.

        • Dave

          They might need worming, then at 6 weeks, groomed, and when playing with toys, take their pics and offered to GOOD homes on TradeMe. Hmmmm should be worth a few $ each to cover the food and worming, and speying their mum before the cycle starts again.

          • Lux

            They are wild .. there is no touching or anything ..
            I have been feeding the mother as she was a tiny skinny kitten/cat, but now there is four of them .. they have to go.

          • Dave

            oh, sorry, i didn’t realise they were wild. Perhaps a trap and off to the SPCA. Must be partly tame as she brought them to show you, there is at least some trust there?

          • Lux

            I have being trying for the last few months to get someone to take the cat/kitten/mother, no-one is interested. If I leave them here they are just going to go crazy. I’m over them.

  • Isherman

    Two more lives lost on the Manukau Bar today, with reports that the survivors were in the water for some two hours before they were seen by a passing boat. This is why when you cross bars you ALWAYS TR in to coastgaurd, even if you don’t have a license and call sign. Of course, IMO, if you can afford a boat, then you can damn well afford the coastguard membership which gives you a call sign. The survivors were just damn lucky another boat passed when it did. I have little regard for people that do stupid things on the water, particularly on the west coast, and on the outside of bars. If they had done the right thing and logged a TR immediately before and after crossing, the coastgaurd would have acted well sooner than two hours. As an aside, Stuff reports all wearing lifejackets, while Horrid says Police won’t say if they were or not??

    If your’e going to go play out there, know what keeps you safe and do it.

    For those without the boatspeak – TR is a trip report, logged with coastguard so they know where you are, who’s on board, and what your intentions are.

    • Lux

      When I was about 17 my sister and I were silly enough to go sailing with an idiot who had told us he was a sailor, but in reality had stolen his fathers yacht and took us out into the harbour with another couple of friends, who knew nothing about sailing. Once out in the harbour, the weather turned, as it does in Auckland and we all had been drinking and he had no idea what to do, the two other guys on board told him to … go .. down below board where my sis and I had tied ourselves in, ready for ………….. disaster.

      Anyway these two guys got the motor going and got us back to port .. we all jumped off the yacht and told him what a jerk he was.

      He turned up at my sisters house a few weeks later, on a saturday morning and threw cream cakes at us when we lying in bed ..
      What an idiot.

      Be careful who you sail with ..

      • Lux

        I said to my sister a few weeks ago, why did he come and throw cream cakes at us, and she said he thought we ate all his cakes in her fridge?

        We both do not eat sweet food, and it was her house .. anyway it was quite funny .. there was about 10 people in the room ..

        • Isherman

          Sounds like a real winner….

          • Lux

            We Never saw him again after that performance..

      • Isherman

        Yep, its all simple stuff, but boating can turn deadly real fast. Taking a yacht out with no clue is a recipe for disaster in itself. Going below can be a mistake too, if the boat is taking on water, its the worst thing you can do. A day-skipper or Boatmaster course will teach you all you need for safe boat handling and procedures, its not difficult and saves lives.

        • Lux

          I was so terrified, we really thought we were going to die, my sis and I were tied to the beds, and drinking to try and hide our fear, it was quite a big yacht, we did everything wrong, but had on life jackets…

        • Lux

          I was bought up up on yachts and fishing boats, so knew a bit about the safety side of stuff, but I was silly, it is so easy to be silly on the water and not think properly.

          • Isherman

            Too much grog while on board never helps, we allow any one we take out to have one or two during the day, but after that its better to wait till the boats back on the hard,do the clean up – have a shower and then sink into a few.

      • Dave

        Ah, Mid 70’s lux? An mate from those times who lived on the Nth Shore often took out his dads yacht (approx 7 Mtr) moored at Little Shoal Bay to entertain female company. if the same person, his dad was a cop, and he was a rouge, sailing was the last thing on his mind!

        • Lux

          This was way after the 70’s, and from around Mission Bay.. there must be lots of guys who did similar stuff.. and still do ..

    • Greg M

      Absolutely agree. Also I can’t help but think what were 5 men thinking taking a 5 metre tinny out across the Manukau bar?
      As an aside, is the new weatherman on TV one the same guy on coastguard radio, they both sound the same?

      • Isherman

        Not sure actually, I don’t normally see One News. As for the 5 dudes on a 5m, we get around in a 7m hardtop and like to keep that to no more than 4 for comfort, 5 absolute max. Overnighting its usually just two of us.

        • Huia

          Saw a beauty today at our local boat ramp, lots of pushing in and jumping the queue to launch, not giving the boats waiting to come out, time, respect or room to do so. Anyway down came a Cruiser at top speed with an 18 footer on the back, did the swoop (taking up the whole area and showing everyone how it was done), then into reverse, backed down at a great rate of knots then slammed on the brakes and the boat slid off the trailer perfectly. All good except he had misjudged and the boat landed on the sand about 6 feet short of the water. I thought I was going to break a rib I was laughing so much. Lots of heaving and shoving but they had to have help to load it back onto the trailer as it was too heavy to drag out being low tide. Well worth taking your wine (in a coca cola bottle) and passing the time watching the entertainment.

          • Isherman

            Awsome, I’ve seen a similar occasion at Westhaven where the boat slid into the water OK, pity there was nobody holding the painter rope..ooops..and off the boat slid out into the drink with nobody on board..spending a morning at a busy ramp is guaranteed to provide a few laughs and a fair bit of head shaking in my experience.

          • ex-JAFA

            I used to enjoy those who forgot their bungs. If they were being courteous, you’d let them know before the boat got wet. If they were being so-and-sos… well, watching their boat take on water was always a laugh.

    • chaff

      Bars may be different, but ‘the coastguard’ do not check up on people who fail to make an ‘arrival’ TR or similar. Telling coastguard that you are ‘sailing from Bayswater for Tryphena with 3 POB will call on arrival’ does not mean they will call you if you don’t. They do not.
      I imagine if you wanted that sort of service on a bar, such as the one at Tairua, you actually need to call the local service, on the local frequency, not ‘The Coastguard’. Happy to be corrected.

      • Isherman

        It can depend on the location and circumstance. We always log a TR when we first hit the water with our general intention for the day. At Bars we TR on either side of the bar crossing itself, and then of course when we shut down for the day. Using Manukau as an example, its Manukau Coastguard we call, unless we are doing our club comps when we have a base radio call to Huia as well, but entering and leaving the harbour its always coastguard (or local service) as you say. On the one occasion we forgot to close our TR, the Coastguard rang our skippers cell about 30 minutes after the ETA we advised initially. Your point is a good one though, you should know the service and channel for any area you happen to be in.

    • Albert Lane

      You can always work out whether life jackets were worn (or in the case of road crashes – seat belts), if the Police say they were wearing them. If they don’t say anything about them, you can be pretty certain that they weren’t being worn.

      • Albert Lane

        And I’m sick of our parliamentarians who sit on their hands and refuse to enact legislation to make the wearing of life jackets compulsory. And why don’t they do so? Well, I don’t know, but I have some suspicions as to why they didn’t raise the drinking age to 20. Sometimes I wonder how they get selected to represent their electorates. All brains and no common-sense.

        • ex-JAFA

          Perhaps because it’s one of the few areas of our lives where we’re allowed to take personal responsibility? You can’t legislate for stupidity.

          By all means, make people pay (more) for their rescue if they’re not wearing lifejackets, but you have to let people make their own choices about what to do on their private property.

          • Albert Lane

            I’m also a believe in personal responsibility. For instance, if a person chooses not to wear a crash helmet on a motorbike, or a lifejacket on a boat, then the risk is theirs. No ACC. Anybody taking part in dangerous or risky pursuits should take out accident insurance.

  • Dave_1924

    The NZ Herald… not knowing its foot from its elbow….

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11380019

    “Wellington rail is undergoing a transition to electrification and is
    expected to complete its transition to Hyundai Rotem’s Matangi electric
    trains by late 2016.”

    Undergoing a transition to electification????? Seriously. The Suburban rail network in Wellington [Jville, Porirua, Hutt and Melling lines] has been electirifed since forever… The bit about introducing the Matangi units is true… so they are half right….

    Who do they employ as their sub editors at this rag nowadays? Because that is just poor, poor reporting

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