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  • Train hit a power pole on the Hutt Valley line last night – take the day off or work from home if you don’t want a two hour commute to and from work today.

    • MAWG

      A train does not hit a power pole. The power pole fell and hit the train. Misleading MSM strikes again!

      • Sooty

        Unless he run off the rails.

    • dumbshit

      must have been one of those poles that jump out in front of you when you least expect!

      • They are the worst type. Either way, glad I can work from home.

  • rantykiwi

    So we’re now into the second day of the police having an armed standoff with a gun toting moron. These are the police who will happily write you a ticket for being 1kph over the speed limit – how about they apply the same dedication to this and throw a couple of flash bangs into his house, charge in and give him a copper coated lead injection and then the whole saga will be over in five minutes. It will have the added bonus of saving the cost of umpteen armed police standing around for days on end, the inconvenience to his neighbours of being evacuated, and the later cost of keeping the idiot fed and watered at the Mason Unit.

    • mike

      And run the risk of an officer being injured? No thanks.

    • Alright

      The guy is unhinged. Complete the job.

    • Isherman

      They should use these nutjobs as live real world training opportunities for freshly minted CT and SAS personnel.

    • peterwn

      The cops who write speeding tickets are quite different from the ones who catch crooks. When traffic officers merged with police, in retrospect it would have been better for the traffic officers to have retained their own identity, and to have just merged premises, operations rooms, radio systems, procurement, payroll etc.

      • Albert Lane

        Hear hear. From memory it was a certain politician called John Banks who was the author of this. The traffic cops weren’t trained to do policing work, and the police didn’t want to issue tickets for speeding. The best thing to do would be to separate them again, which would mean that we’d end up with a proper number of traffic cops actually on the roads and responding to the need to sort out some of the awful driving we see on a daily basis.

        • peterwn

          TANZ effectively decides the amount of traffic policing by financing this policing (subject to the ‘road transport’ vote) as distinct from general policing finance which is a direct budget vote. And TANZ require evidence that the police do use this money for traffic policing and not catching burglars. It is also worth noting that traffic fines and infringement fees via the police go straight into the Consolidated Fund and are not directly available for policing or purchase of speed cameras, breathalysers, etc.
          Perhaps road traffic policing could be provided a bit more cheaply if traffic police officers did not need to meet the skill and fitness requirements of general police officers.

          • Albert Lane

            Exactly. Traffic policing could be provided more cheaply if traffic officers did not need to meet the skill and fitness requirements of police officers. That’s the way it used to be.

  • Wheninrome

    The postal service joining in revealing the contents of private letters correspondence between children and Santa. What next, when will all this end Perhaps give a little could set up a page to defend such an outrageous breach of privacy.

  • Sally

    First report is out on Labour’s failing in the election,
    So what have they found so far. The LP were not united behind Cunliffe and the disconnect with “Vote Postive”.
    Wonder how much it cost to come up with that result. We could have given it to them for free.
    And McCarten has still retained his job as COS.

    • Isherman

      If there was ‘confusion’ over the Vote Positive slogan, then they don’t have to worry, as eventually the whole complete story of the why and wherefore of the slogan will be revealed and any ‘confusion’ will melt away…dirty politics; the inside story. Since some guy thinks the Standard should be the equivalent of WO (cough), I wonder if the expert contributors would like to reveal it there so they all understand properly.

    • Wheninrome

      So it follows that if they had had a real Rat as leader and they had all got behind the rat and supported the rat the Rat would be PM now, really?

      • Sally

        Well they had a rat in the back office and it didn’t work for them and the rat is still running around the office. Time to let the cat in.

        • Wheninrome

          Just keep Gareth Morgan out of the equation, give the cat a chance.

  • Pete

    I’m a bit confused that the reason were being told we don’t have an extradition treaty with China is that they have the death penalty, we seem to have one with the USA, and they have the death penalty. …have I missed something here ???

    • InnerCityDweller

      Could it be that “the” USA don’t have the death penalty, but some US States do? Not sure to be honest.

      • FredFrog

        There is a federal death penalty for certain crimes

        • Cadwallader

          ie Timothy McVeigh.

    • FredFrog

      Article 7 of our extradition treaty with the US:

      “When the offense for which the extradition is requested is punishable by death under the laws of the requesting Party and the laws of the requested Party do not permit such punishment for that offense, extradition may be refused unless the requesting Party provides such assurances as the requested Party considers sufficient that the death penalty shall not be imposed, or, if imposed, shall not be executed.”

    • peterwn

      Historically there would have been so little dealings between NZ and China that there was no pressing need for an extradition treaty. Also post WW2 China was very insular and its leaders would have not wanted to get into bed with the West by having extradition treaties. Now that China is a significant trading partner and generally welcomes visitors, the occasions where extradition is needed has significantly increased. The final ‘Ministerial’ sign-off for extraditions (treaty or otherwise) is intended to cover the death penalty and similar situations – the sign-off can be subject to a covenant not to apply the death penalty, etc in such cases.

      Interestingly, lefties, beardy-wierdys, those who would now be hard core Greens, etc thought that Mao’s pre-cultural revolution Peoples Republic of China was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Now, the same sorts of people are aghast that there should be an extradition treaty with China, since it is only recently that China has executed, charged rellies for the bullet, allegedly tortured, run crappy jails etc. Presumably these were not issues when Mao was running the show.

  • George

    In the NZ Herald: – Lorde has revealed that adults don’t always like taking orders from her because she is a teenage girl! She claims to have weeded out people who don’t want to be led by a 17/18 year old girl. She goes on to say “This can happen to any female not just the famous. People find it difficult to watch women being assertive or dominant. You encounter it daily when you are the boss”. “Especially when I’m just at drinking age and everyone’s, like why are you telling me what to do?”
    Well Lorde, at your age, your success like as a singer does not equate to you being worldly wise. Fame like does not equate to interlect. When you grow up like that will come apparent. Adults are people like that know a lot more than you, like it or not, so may I suggest you consider attaching our learning to the example of another successful teenage, Lydia Ko. This teenager, who is a year younger than you, typifies all that adults find admirable in a young person. She is extremely modest, totally unaffected by her success and fame. She does not use her success with the assumption that gives her the right to influence wiser and more mature people in her life. She is self assuring and I, as an older adult, who steered four daughters through their teenage years, feels qualified to have an opinion if that is alright with you.

    • MoggieManiac

      If she is 18 yrs, she is legally old enough to do all sorts of things. Why should she be “told what to do” by older people just because they are older (and possibly groupies who like to be around money and success.)
      Especially, when it comes to the creative side of her business she needs to make her own decisions to stick with her integrity of who she is. I’m sure she does listen to the adults in her life who’s opinion she trusts.

      i thought most readers here thought that the concept of self responsibility and determination was an admirable trait. Just like Lydia Ko let go her long time coach because he was no longer suited to what she needed when she went international. (Hope I’ve got that right.)

      • George

        You make some good points however the point I am making is that at the age of 18 regardless of your status you are still growing into adulthood. Being confident and assertive are personality trates that need nurturing otherwise one, at that age, can very easily become arrogant. Fame has corrupted many a young life because the recipient of that fame has misinterpretated their own status.

        • Wheninrome

          I would agree, the young tend to think advice is “being told what to do”, maturity brings with it the knowledge that we can take on board advice and criticism and sift through for what helps. That is when you have true confidence . I do agree that Lydia Ko seems to have reached that stage far earlier than most youngsters, all power to her and her family.

      • Huia

        I think she has done so well for her age but how did she get there? wasn’t it through “older” people smoothing the way and guiding her through the pitfalls?
        I sincerely hope she isn’t believing the hype around her and starts acting the star around people who have helped her otherwise she is going to be photographed boozing getting into the brat pack type of trouble as dozens have done before her, that wholesome reputation can go down the gurgler quicker than her meteoric rise to fame.
        You cannot put an older more wiser head on those young shoulders and we understand she has to grow, assert herself to become the woman she will eventually become, just like every other teenager. Her life is truly fraught with life changing pitfalls should she slip into one on her journey to womanhood.

      • Edward Bufe

        There are 4 million reasons why you are right when it comes to Lydia Ko and there will probably be another 4 million next year. When a star shines there is no way you can darken it. There will always be the negativity of jealousy to try and shade its brightness but it will break through none the less

    • Joe_Bloggs

      couple of thoughts to leave with you George:

      1. so you uncritically accept the Herald’s spin on Lorde? Dangerous turf…
      2. she’s talking about running her shows the way she wants them run – HER shows, her business, put together with her talent as capital
      3. you and the media have singled out a small part of the total story for comment/criticism

      disclosure: I admire Lorde for doing her own thing and not following the pack. I also like tall poppies…

  • sbk

    We really need to stop looking at or refering to the MSM as defenders of the public interest,guardians of the truth i.e.”the fourth estate”…but look at them solely from the perspective of them being businesses$ foremost…and like most business/industry would “prefer” a Government that is more conducive to its needs.
    From that viewpoint…and what has transpired over the course of the last several months….does anyone here not doubt that if the Red/Green monster had won…they would have introduced a raft of new legislation/regulations limiting free speech,coupled with an all-out assault on the blog…as soon as they possibly could.
    …its as simple as that.

  • Just Mick

    Newstalk ZB having some spelling issues

  • Second time around

    Andy Little is featuring big on Morning Report this morning with his claim that Labour was approached by countless Chinese immigrant donors during his term as Labour President, but he accepted no money because he thought they were corrupt. Other political parties (less principled than Labour) probably did accept this money in his view. Andy did not report his suspicions to the police, nor, it appears to Helen Clark, as the stream of immigrants continued. I wonder how Andy would have responded if a union official had approached him with a large donation of worker’s tithes.

    • Wheninrome

      “Thought” they were corrupt, better to deal in fact. Is he harking back to the days of “think tanks”, I suppose that goes with “talk fests”.

  • $6,564.40 donated in a give-a-little quest for Antony de Malmanche proving that he’s not the only one, and that there really is one (or in this case) 113 donators born every minute.

  • Isherman

    More lazy reporting in Stuff yesterday re the alleged Israeli airstrikes inside Syria. While the report mentioned that the likely targets of such airstrikes would be high tier weapons bound for Hezbollah in Lebanon (though they are operationally deployed in Syria currently too), a quick check of reputable sources from the region show there were background goings on that would have been relevant to the story. The suspected targets have been identified as SA-25 SAM’s, they were delivered via Russian military plane less than 48 hours earlier, and less than 24 hours before the airstrikes, Russian deputy Foreign Minister Mikhal Bogdanov was in Lebanon for meeting with guess who…none other than Hassan Nasrallah, supreme head of Hezbollah, some media in the region were quick to publish photo’s of them shaking hands, as well as other factional Lebanese leaders. Is it so hard o look at the story with some avaliable perspective rather than make a headline of one part of it?

  • sarahmw

    Just read in The Press a clarification re a story in Weekend Press. It
    says former Cera comm staffer Tina Nixon was involved in a personal
    grievance claim against Cera where she was accused of bullying a female
    colleague. It was in context of wider personal grievance claim. Nixon
    believed some allegations were made but “HR did nothing further” and she
    was not disciplined in any way. Cera seems to be quite toxic all round
    going by what has been revealed so far. I had this in the smalley comments. Sorry wrong place.

    • R2D2

      Or, looking at it another way, if a man, lets call him a random name like Roger Sutton, for arguments sake, bullies a female staff member, it is sexual harassment, and a sackable offence. On the other hand, if a female, lets call her a random name like Tina Nixon, does the same, then that is fine, nothing to see here, move along please.

      • Mark Harrison

        Lets think about that for a bit, R2D2
        The RS complainant was lambasted for going to the SSC instead of complaining to HR.
        The TN complainant went to HR and diddly squat happened.
        Seems HR at CERA may be a deep shade of useless and nothing happens unless the complainant takes the matter further.
        Perhaps the TN complainant didn’t do that.
        Anyone want to retract the vicious comments made by WOBH contributors about the RS complainant yet?
        (Remember the precious girlie who dared to destroy the career of a national hero)

        • R2D2

          I haven’t heard of the RS complainant being lambasted for not going to HR. Perhaps the TN complainant should go to SSC, do you think they will be able to stop from falling off their chairs in laughter?

          • Mark Harrison

            Given the SSC making a pig’s ear of the RS exit, you may be correct, but I would have hoped the SSC would handle any complaint of workplace harassment with a modicum of decorum with the complaint either being supported or not as an investigation may show.
            FOCL does not fit with my ambition for a fair enquiry, but given recent history perhaps my standard is a bit high.

        • sarahmw

          ooo ‘precious girlie’ is a bit of a touchy term of phrase. Not sure who the national hero is and what that has to do with anything. Your colors are showing and it is you who is being a little testy. Maybe we need to redefine harrassment and make an equal playing field. It worries me that there is a leaning bias that is pushed. Yes, and I am a woman and was taught by others how to deal with harrasing behavior. One rule for all is fair and lets stop the agendas.

          • Mark Harrison

            I think you may have misinterpreted my sarcasm as a serious comment, and we argue the same point. Workplace harassment is unacceptable regardless of the genders of either perpetrator or victim.

            When RS resignation was announced there was plenty of speculation regarding the agenda of the complainant and she came in for a barrage of insults here and elsewhere about her appearance, sexual desirability, professional competence, prospects for promotion, lack of humour and general ingratitude for the attention the great RS had shown her.

            It was claimed by many here to be a storm in a teacup that was overblown to a SSC complaint when it could have been handled by a few words in the office. Indeed it now appears that there may have in fact been an element of toxicity in the CERA workplace making that option somewhat futile.

            And yes, I’m a little ‘testy’ about the treatment the complainant received through various media and opinion outlets.

          • R2D2

            Clearly you were very “close to the flame”, so to speak. I, for one, would be very interested in hearing the real story.

    • kehua

      Sounds like thw `Blonde` had had enough of someone who was involved in a grievance. Hope there was no bubbly involved.

  • sin-ic

    What has happened to the nustied rant about Kim Hill and Tom Scott? It appeared as there was every good rfeason for a complaint to be laid with the Broadcasting Standards Authority. Now all has gone silent. Wazzup?

  • Wheninrome

    Breaking news, Cameraman Bradley Ambrose sues John Key over ‘teapot tape’.
    Isn’t Give a Little going to be busy funding all these legal battles.

  • Citizen

    wow…Bradly Ambrose (teapot tapes) wants 1.25million in damages alleging John Key defamed him. Is he really that famous and well known?. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/63963663/cameraman-files-defamation-papers-against-pm

  • jude

    Kiwi in Zealania spotted around midnight..pic

  • rantykiwi

    So Traynor/Smith’s lawyer says that his hairpiece has been taken off him as punishment.
    Tony Ellis says “Without asking [prison authorities] I can’t identify a rational reason for why it’s been done.”
    I can’t identify a single reason that he needs a hairpiece whilst he’s locked up – it isn’t a holiday camp, and his roommate is unlikely to be fussy about how he looks.

  • Disinfectant

    Prior to the Local Authority elections the “Peoples Choice” (Socialists) candidates in Christchurch signed a pledge of no asset sales to plug the councils black financial hole.
    Whilst they procrastinated, the councils shortfall went from $534 m to $883 and now to $1.2 B.
    And by the time they actually do anything, it might be $2.0B.
    They have spent all their time trying to find a way to protect their election pledge (and their election prospects in the future).
    They really don’t give a damn about the “People”.
    Come the next election the whole lot should be biffed out.

  • Melissa

    I love Larry Williams, he keeps things real.

  • Alright

    Breaking news: PDB’s train-set derailed for a further two years:

    “The Auckland Council has voted to put back a start on the City Rail Link by two years.”

    …..this year, next year, sometime never (fingers crossed).

    PS. This puts it back to “vote time.” Yeah hah!

  • Karma

    Dictionary.com word of the day…for Rachel Smalley.