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  • Dave_1924

    Winston plays the “nazism” card re Anti Foreign fighter law the house passed. Class, Winnie, just class…..

    • Michael

      Wait, isn’t this an anti-Wogistan measure? I thought it would go down well with his voters. Maybe Winnie is trying to create a legacy of being statesmanlike – Sorry, you won’t fool anyone.

      • caochladh

        “Statesmanlike” – more like “Snakesmanlike”. What else can you call a snake oil politician past his use by date….

      • Alfred12

        “Statesmanlike” to little to late springs to mind!

    • Newsflash: Winston Peters proves the existence of Godwin’s Law

      • AlanB

        Just looked up Godwin’s Law on Google. While there also looked at “Think of the Children”. These devices figure large on the left don’t they? Also the nauseating “its for People”, and variations thereof. Another one is elevating food production to a can’t argue against, Holy Grail idea, as in nasty urban expansion on to land reduces food production. Thanks for the reference.

      • R2D2

        Yes, but “Winston’s Law” states: “If you want to capture and hold a niche of voters, go to the largest area of the country for retirees, and pitch your policies at said retirees”.

        • Wheninrome

          I am a retiree, Winnie not working for me and Mr Wheninrome. he does provide “press” but really anyone with a brain realises promises are free when you don’t have to perform.
          Nothing like a good helping of blueberries to keep the brain cells active, trouble is a good helping of wine ruins all that.

    • dgrogan

      Interesting. It beggars belief that Peters does not realise a large majority of his …um…voters (I almost said constituents, in error) will AGREE with the Government’s Countering Terrorist Fighters Legislation Bill – rather than be against it. Still, when you’re irrelevant, I guess it doesn’t matter where one makes a stand, right?

    • Greg M

      Mind you, he did call for a return of the sedition laws, and pointed out that NZ first was the only party to oppose it’s removal in 2007.
      That’s the only comment he has made in the last ten years that I have actually agreed with.

  • rantykiwi

    The Horrid is spinning that the delay in Len’s train set will cost Auckland ratewayers an extra $278M. As usual Bernard Orsman is too biased to present a balanced view – that the most likely outcome of the delay and auditor general’s oversight will save Auckland ratepayers $2.4B when this folly is eventually scrapped.

    • R2D2

      The Council figures demonstrate that the Council has no-one that understands economics. A delay of 2 years, at a discount rate factor of 0.865, means that the 2 year delay saves the ratepayers $324,000. Geez, even a numpty could at least calculate that the interest alone on that money in the bank instead is over $100,000 per annum. This shows that there is not a person at Council who should be left in charge of the chequebook.

  • Countiesfan

    The answer in a pill is nearly here for SB’s potato chip weakness according to this Herald article http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11371317
    Yay to us.

    • spanishbride

      I am now doing the 5/2 fasting weight loss regime thanks to one of our readers putting me onto the book about it. I fasted on Monday eating only 500 calories and will do the same this Thursday. My starting weight was exactly 73 Kilos and the day after the fast I weighed 71.3 Kilos so I am very motivated to continue. Knowing that I can eat normally for 5 days of the week makes it much easier than a diet where every day is controlled. Also just like the book said I had more energy and slept better afterwards because of how our bodies react to fasting. My goal weight is 62 Kilos. If I succeed I will write a post about it as I am keeping records.

  • Sunshine

    Well, well well, I hope there is a WO spy at Kiwicon 8 “New Zealand’s best Hacker Conference” on Friday. Look who is speaking as “hacked” from the Kiwicon8 website:

    Title Hackers and Hacks, or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the MSM
    Abstract The notion of trust underpins much of what the media does: Whether readers trust what they read, and whether sources trust journalists not to burn them to the ground. The Rawshark saga – encompassing Gmail and Facebook hacks, Police raids, ministerial resignations, High Court injunctions and meters of quality news stories – gives an insight into how this process functions under conditions of high stress. Based on historic and [obviously sanitised] contemporary experience, this talk will let you know how the code of journalism works, the limits journalists go to protect sources and how quickly old media can learn new tricks.
    Location Fri 12 1715 @ The St James Theatre
    Duration 30 mins
    Name Matt Nippert & David Fisher
    Origin Auckland, NZ
    Bio Fisher and Nippert are two of New Zealand’s best-known investigative journalists and both now work for the New Zealand Herald. Fisher is a jack-of-all-trades, while Nippert focuses on corporate malfeasance. Fisher has been named best reporter twice in the New Zealand print awards, while Nippert is more a specialist bridesmaid come awards night. They both dealt with Rawshark during the 2014 election campaign and published numerous stories based on material provided.

    • Sally

      A conference about hacking and journalism! Almost reads like hacking is an honourable profession and journalists are endorsing it.

      • dgrogan

        Wonder if Rawshark will be there?

  • Hard1

    Is this a good thing or a bad thing ?

    “Public Records – Now Online in the US”
    http://www.instantcheckmate.com/pr?src=FRK&mdm=DISPLAY&cmp=FRK&cnt=HUNTER&affid=218&campid=599&sid=FRK&s1=HUNTER&lp=pr

  • who’stoblame

    I see the herald is at the “unaffordable housing ” issue again. If you choose to live in an expensive large city such as Jaffa land and Christchurch, then big salaries come with big expenses. As Cam has mentioned before purchase a house in the regions, rent it out while still renting yourself in the Big Cities. A nice home can be purchased here in Whangarei for 400k to 450k and rented out for 350 to 380 per week. Say 80k deposit leaving a 30yr mortgage of around 1k per fortnight. Average rent for a 3 bedroom home in Jaffa land is approx 450 per week. Do the maths. Our first home was a two bedroom unit for 60k. We had 30k deposit and still the banks would not lend to us as I was on retainer and commission, deemed insecure income. That was 1992. If my dad hadn’t twisted the bank managers arm I’m not sure what the outcome would have been. Wind the clock forward to the mid 2000’s and no deposit was required by most banks. Astonishing given the housing market was out of control. So when I hear these sob stories of home affordability my stomach tightens and steam leaks from my ears. Its never been easy but the new generations these days want the best of everything from the get go with very little effort.

    • dgrogan

      “Astonishing given the housing market was out of control.” Cause and effect? I’m not entirely convinced that all that liquidity cam first – and it was the other way around.

    • Albert Lane

      I may be wrong, but wasn’t there something in the media the other day about a property owner in Whangarei complaining about the huge amount of damage to their rental properties being caused by tenants? Mind you, Auckland tenants might be just as bad.

    • Cowgirl

      It’s frustrating to constantly see people bleating about never owning a house, when the simple solution is to find one cheap enough, so that they can. They all expect million dollar piles in Auckland! With what I can get for my apartment in Auckland, I could probably get a house freehold in the provinces, and that’s exactly what I’ll be doing when the time comes.

  • George

    Barely a day goes by where Andrew Little isn’t heaping praise on Phil Goff. First it involved the speculation that Goff might stand in the Auckland mayoral election. Little claimed he would be a magnificent mayor but would hate to lose him from parliment. Then Little, in his rant in the house with regards to the SIS Surveillance Bill, heaped praise on Goff for his influence and management of tidying up the National original proposal thus making it palatable for Labour’s support.
    The question that needs to be asked is, why is Goff being so favorably and frequently promoted in Little’s addresses? Is this Little’s way of dulling the impact of the illegal leaking of documents by Goff and his denial of it? Or is it something else? Trying to make a silk purse out of a pig’s ear won’t work. Little had better be careful who he chooses to aline with keeping in mind fleas and dogs. Little may have already shown his political nieveity.

    • Cadwallader

      That’s interesting about his references to Goff: Two things
      1 Does this mean that the Left see Lenny Brown as the ultimate disaster that he is? (Finally!!!!)
      2 The airhead Smalley was bleating on about the virtues of Goff as a future Mayor of Auckland last week
      Put the two together and it seems the Left have already determined that Goff will aspire to the secret bathroom.

      The response is for a decent candidate not from the left to stand and provide Goff with a few “show me the money moments.”

  • Rusty B

    Notice the screaming skull Smalley putting the boot into the CIA and their torture techniques, how about balancing it up a little and having a look at what is going on in the Middle East at present, and if she could be bothered, a few decades back too!

    • Cadwallader

      Don’t listen to her anymore and suggest that those who do are providing themselves with a torture technique.Listening to her is an intellectual self be-beheading.

    • cows4me

      Is the woman wearing a burqa, she sure sees the world with dimmed eyesight.

  • Simo

    Oil price sliding under $60 a barrel – our price for 91 unleaded still between $1.86 and $1.96 – there is a good 40cents that should be back in our pockets but the monopoly practices of the 4 brands is skimming us – Santa might be generous with a pathetic 4c a litre a couple of days before Xmas but still a rort- Recent report in MSM that the small decrease is already saving us over $38m at the pump. That’s a serious saving!!

    • who’stoblame

      Totally agree. It’s dropped nearly 40% and withe the slight drop in exchange rate I believe we should be looking at at least 60c. I’ve mentioned here before but if you want another good saving tip then get an RD1 (now called NZ Farm Source) supercard and save 16c per litre on petrol and diesel from Mobil outlets. Costs $50 annually but large savings to be made.

      • Simo

        Hey will look into that – have Mobil card but never use it due to some failings in their monthly statements to show the actual litre price paid – they just removed it so you couldn’t tell what your litre buy rate was

      • kehua

        Do they bill monthly or is it a show and receive discount card?

        • who’stoblame

          Billed monthly. Discount shows up on statement not on the receipt at service station.

    • Cadwallader

      How about a commensurate .reduction in the road tax included in the fuel price? It is all too easy to blame the fuel companies when the sponge of taxation is in the mix too. I regard fuel companies as safe and efficient operators who dispense a dangerous product with few bad side-effects.

      • Simo

        Fuel taxes and excise is the elephant at the pump but its the mule of central government to deliver tax revenue efficiently. Its politically easy to get away with, to legislate for, and collect unlike PAYE, provisional tax, company tax etc. Never going to change that, but artificially holding the price up for no other reason other than they can get away with it – commercial extortion which ever way you analyse it.

        • Cadwallader

          The real irritant is that the road tax is applied first then GST is dumped on that total….a tax on a tax.

          • Soleman

            I was in Australia a few months ago (our 91 was $2.11 at the time). My Aussie mates were all complaining about their price being $1.39. They couldn’t believe how we were being gouged.

          • Cadwallader

            It is not entirely a gouge as the OZ $ is higher than ours hence the price at the pump should be lower in OZ than here. In NZ if you’re self-employed up to 100% of fuel costs are deductible in NZ not so in OZ.

          • Soleman

            At the time our dollar was @ 91cents. In my opinion, it’s a gouge

      • Yellow Admiral

        I suppose we need to remember that a drop in price at the pump means (regardless of whether one thinks it is fair) that there will be a reduction in tax revenue. Any significant drop in tax intake will of course have to be made up in some other way.

        Tax increases, any one?

    • The cost to the economy in lost tax revenue – Bill should have seen this coming, I demand an enquiry, or similar. (kidding of course but you know that this is coming)

      Also Petrol will be cheaper than milk soon….. oh wait it already is and has been for ages.

      • Skydog

        Petrol is hell of a lot cheaper than beer at the moment. I went out last week in Christchurch and ordered two Stellas from the tap. Not an up market bar, but a nice place. 2 x 500 ml glasses cost me $26!!

        • Soleman

          And that same bar owner will be wondering why people don’t visit his establishment. I can’t believe what these people have the audacity to charge and consequently I keep away from them. The local soccer club and the chartered club down the road get the benefit.

        • unitedtribes

          Petrol taste better than Stellass too

        • R2D2

          There’s no doubt that petrol is cheaper than beer. But diesel is even cheaper, you should try it. I only drink beer on special occasions.

          • Alright

            I went to the local bar and asked for a glass of diesel. They told me to go and drink at the service station down the road. How rude!

      • Albert Lane

        But isn’t the road tax on petrol a set amount? Yes, the GST on top of all of that will be slightly less.

    • Albert Lane

      Isn’t it funny? If the oil price goes up by a cent, our petrol prices go up the next day. And when it goes down by a huge percentage? Not much of a reduction at our local petrol stations. It’s an industry in great need of a public enquiry.

      • Bluemanning

        The petrol stations say that it all depends when they pay for it. For example when you pay to fill up the station tanks it takes some time to use up the higher priced existing fuel so they have to reduce the price gradually; as it is being used the prices drops but not at the same rate in ratio percentage to the barrel price. If they are smart they take out forward exchange to equalise the differential over time. Also depends where one goes to fill up as to whether it is a franchised dealer.

    • Simo

      Hey its happening already:

    • Simo
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    • Albert Lane

      Interesting article. I half expected the opposite. I’m trying to learn more about the situation in that area of the world, and was directed to google a website called the Middle East Media Research Institute. I did this, and it contained translations of speeches and articles made by politicians from the area. I couldn’t believe what I was reading. It’s given me a different view on what is going on over there.

  • Brian of Mt Wellington

    “Hong Kong Customs cleared it, I thought I was sweet. And then I got here [to Bali] and, nah, a big shock.” Thats what the kiwi guy said when busted with 1.7kgs of Meth. If he was set up then why did he think he was ” Sweet ” after clearing Hong Kong customs

    • who’stoblame

      Everyone in prison is innocent!

    • unitedtribes

      and why was he acting suspiciously at the baggage collect.

      • Albert Lane

        The airport staff who work in that area are trained to observe the people waiting at the carousel for their baggage. They are on the look-out for people who display behaviour patterns that are not the norm. He must have stood out like dogs’ things.

    • Wheninrome

      It appears he was a person of interest for some considerable time.

      • Albert Lane

        Yes, I heard that he had been under surveillance for some weeks. Does this mean that this was not his first trip?

  • “Rising poverty amongst Asians” – not inequality mind, that would be a bad narrative.

    Perhaps they should stop spending all their money on houses.

  • pisces8284 .

    I’ve just completed a Mediaworks survey asking for opinions on TV/radio news/social media news sites etc. It seemed to be very keen on knowing views on Breakfast and Mike Hosking. Worth doing if you get the chance

    • Magor

      Do you have a link?

    • Cadwallader

      I did it too. I took the opportunity to advise them of the hazards of trying to replace Leighton with Smalley.

      • Simo

        That will decimate the station – they have had a whiff of leftie polluting their premises for a while though. Hosk will leave, start his own station or move to a small caravan beside a big house in Clevedon

        • Cadwallader

          Correct. When Corkery started up there she was the most obvious leftie but I find Roxborogh, Dickinson etc swerving left. Smalley is a new low, not solely for being a mindless leftie but for being a lightweight non-journalist

      • Albert Lane

        Everybody seems to be talking about Leighton leaving ZB. Is there any factual basis in this?

  • jude
  • Karma

    Dictionary.com word of the day…for Rachel Smalley.

    • R2D2

      Get the weather girl Karen Olsen to say that 10 times quickly.

  • cows4me

    I hear Fonterra has cut our payout for this year to $4.70 per milksolid from $5.30. This will be the death knell for a few. I sometimes think Fonterra has been hijacked by flash Harry’s and queen street lawyers. We are now nothing more than cash cows been sucked dry by townie business men that would struggle to pick out a cow in a childs ABC book. They spend money like drunken socialists and place increasing costly demands on their suppliers who are constantly told they own the company, what a load of crap. We are slaves to a bloated parasite that thinks tightening ones belt means one less latte a week.

    • taurangaruru

      C4Me – what is the alternative? In an ideal world how would the NZ Dairy market work? Would you prefer to see a greater number of dairy companies marketing NZ products & if so are the Chinese dairy factories being built in NZ part of the solution?

      • cows4me

        I did post a reply taurangaruru but it’s been taken down.

    • Albert Lane

      I’m related to one of their senior staff. I hadn’t realised that pay rates had gone so far out of control. I’ll say no more, probably because I’m envious.

      • cows4me

        I don’t begrudge anyone making decent money Albert but I sometimes wonder that if salary and wages were linked to the payout. It’s always the bottom of the food chain that has to tighten the belt.

        • Albert Lane

          There has been talk that some dairy farmers with large mortgages may go broke because the low payout will be below production costs. If this occurs, it will be a great pity, because the average age of dairy farmers is now getting towards retirement age, and we desperately need young farmers to continue the growth, energy and survival of the industry.

          • cows4me

            Yes I suspect many will go belly up, we’ve done our sums on several farming operations we would have done last year. Thankfully we’ve pulled the pin on some for this season. It will be survival mode this year.

          • Curly1952

            Hey Cows, what did you do with the cash from the previous couple of record years? Pay of debt and do the capital maintenance. My mate is heavily into dairy and has a helpful bank. He paid down debt and caught up on maintenance and on an average of the last two seasons and this season is in a very strong position now. Not all bad surely? .

          • cows4me

            We did similar things Curly but we also had three seasons of drought that brought much earlier end to the seasons. Last years payout was good but when it averages out it’s not so flash. We aren’t starving by any means ask the tax man but to really kill debt and pay for improvements on farm we need more than one flash year.

          • Curly1952

            Yea I know – I do understand. My folks were dry stock farmers and i helped around the neighbourhood milking cows and the like in the early days until I moved into the Stock & Station industry. Still a great way of life though eh?

    • TonyM

      I’m certainly amazed at the way they run their business in a no expense spared manner and had wondered when the crunch would come. What influence do farmers have on what Fonterra spends to run it’s operation?

      • cows4me

        “what influence do farmers have”, somewhere between none and very bloody little.

        • TonyM

          Another little question …. presumably these milk drying factories cost a bundle. Would it be economic to run them all year round or don’t we grown enough grass (and can’t afford enough supplement) to make this work?

          Drying all the cows off at once does seem to waste an asset for a period of time. What does the rest of the world do?

          • cows4me

            Yes they cost a bundle Tony and yes we could run these all year around but the kicker is the amount we are receiving in payout doesn’t cover the costs of supplementary feeding. To run the plant all year round you would need huge amounts of supplementary fed. This feed becomes uneconomic at a certain level and in some cases you would simply be working to pay the feed bill. NZ’s strength in dairy is grass fed animals. Many farmers are now trapped because they have in place high supplementary feeding systems. These more than pay for themselves in high payout years but are a millstone around your neck in years like this. You can’t just stop feeding a thousand cows and make them eat grass that isn’t there because you are now milking more animals than the land can handle. Many will be simply working for stock food companies this year and can’t get rid of hundreds of cows because the banks want their pound of flesh to.

      • who’stoblame

        I recall approx 2-3 years ago they went through a managament restructure at the corporate level.. approx 300 unnecessary positions were canned at an average salary if I recall correctly of 150k. I worked in one of their plants for four years and witnessed the wastefulness of $$$ through inept management, kind of like watching Len with hard working rate-payers $$$.

        • cows4me

          Yes I’ve heard similar horror stories. But if you are a farmer and stuff up the company is more than happy to take your money. It only works one way with these people.

    • stephen2d

      Well, join the forces, sack the board and appoint the new lean management. You are te shareholders, after all.

  • Frank N Further

    I note that the Herald has Hagar as a contender for their New Zealander of the Year award for Journalism, publishing “Dirty Politics”, and shining a light..

    • Cadwallader

      Words fail me!!!! Other than: Stuff The Herald!

  • Citizen

    Really?. I’m disgusted by this. If you pay someone to work for you…yet they carry out their own business on your time…using your facilities…because the company did not have an internet usage policy..OMG…I want to be sick!!! http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/64007243/Womans-dismissal-over-internet-use-flawed

  • NotGandalf

    This from the Greenpeace NZ Facebook page:

    BREAKING: Right now Greenpeace activists are barricading shut Statoil’s new Wellington office before the Norwegian oil giant has fully opened for business. More to come.

  • cows4me

    I’ve never thought for one minute that Fonterra was the best thing since sliced bread. Queen street lawyers may have being the wrong vocation to pick on but the point I was trying to make is that Fonterra seems to be increasingly governed from glass towers in the big smoke. And in these glass towers are people many times removed from farms and farmers. Every year there is a new regulation a new want and ten more bits of paper to be filled with crap so the organisation can be a good corporate citizen. Everything has to be “traceable”, yeah right. Farming gets harder every year and compliance costs continue to rise but it’s all for our good of course. The reality is that small farmers are being squeezed out by their constant demands, of course Fonterra claims nothing could be further from the truth. No, Fonterra is all about production, more big farms the better. In another twenty years family farms will be no more and this country will be very much worse off for it.

    • Disinfectant

      Why do you think that this is only happening in Agriculture?
      There are only two business models likely to succeed today.
      A sole trader and a business which has economy of scale.
      It has been this way for the past 10 years.

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