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  • Bert Piepoint

    No good pimping the poor stories from Harold this morning?

    • Aucky

      The day is yet young Bert.

  • idbkiwi

    Press release from the climate conference in Lima……………

    Pinched from wattsupwiththat.com

  • Cadwallader

    Can one of the staff clarify how the donations meter works. Is it reset back to zero routinely then re-builds? Is the current % a total from all time? Does it include routine direct credit donations? Thanks.

    • It is a monthly undisclosed target that meets the cost of our hosting, software licences, service costs and web site maintenance. It does not cover my cost at all, which is generally born by advertising, and by raiding Cam’s family income if the advertising doesn’t cover it.

      It does contain the recurring Direct credit donations.

      It came about after years of readers insisting there should be a way to show financial support, while we resisted it. We didn’t want to create an atmosphere of expectation (you pay, we must deliver on something). We wanted to do whatever we liked, and as such the donation model was picked rather than a subscription one.

      We had an idea to tie it to people’s birthdays to spread the support around the year, so we don’t have to go on repeated begging bowl sessions to ask people to pitch in a little.

      Most of it is less than $20 a year, a lot of the recurring as little as $5 per month. But it all adds up, and it has allowed us to (for example) survive this year without major attacks on our blog (due to Cloudflare services), and it paid for the mobile site rework.

      We haven’t reset the target, and the “overage” that was building was recently spent to cover the cost of the Polos that will be going to the volunteers at the staff BBQ later this month. Our volunteers are amazing. Their work ethic is fantastic. I’m very lucky to be working with them.

      Compared to the legal fundraising drive, the amounts involved in the donations add to something quite modest. But it also means that (for example), if the Left had been successful at disrupting our advertising income, it would mean I would go unpaid, but the blog’s running costs would be covered.

      It’s given us an independence where no external force can take the blog down – and that’s been quite useful this year, if you think about it.

      • Cadwallader


  • idbkiwi

    This one’s not a joke. Un..be..lievable:

    Greenpeace activists have been forced to apologise after damaging an ancient Peruvian monument during a publicity stunt.

    The Peruvian government said it would press criminal charges against Greenpeace activists who left footprints close to the carvings.

    Mr Castillo added: ‘They are absolutely fragile. They are black rocks on a white
    background. You walk there and the footprint is going to last hundreds or thousands of years.

    ‘And the line that they have destroyed is the most visible and most recognised of all.’


  • All_on_Red

    The Australians seem to have their policy regarding their citizens leaving on a jihad balanced rather well.
    “Australians going to fight with extremist groups in the Middle East are dying as fast as they are arriving, meaning that the total number of fighters has remained stable at about 70, security agency ASIO has revealed.”
    “Senator O’Sullivan said “most freethinking voters” felt that if people were suspected of being terrorists they should be arrested or, if there was not sufficient evidence to arrest them, they should be allowed to travel.
    He said Australians were worried about “frustrated” extremists returning to the suburbs after being prevented from travelling.
    “The average punter would be happy for you to let them go, in fact encourage them … That’s the mood down here in punter land,” he said.”

    • Hans

      Canada prevented a nut job from going to Syria, it turns out he was the one who killed the soldier at parliament a short time later – I”m sure the left has a viable solution?

  • Aucky

    We had a family discussion last night and made the call that our donations to charities who actively pimp the poor will cease forthwith. We will give instead totally to organisations who assist people right across the social spectrum eg hospices, Starship, McDonald House etc – charities whose people are all in genuine need.

    • caochladh

      For me, its CanTeen and the SPCA with support for the special cases that Paws for Justice promotes.

      • The SPCA will never get another cent out of me.
        They want to ban fireworks because it upsets a few dogs and horses.
        Yet further restrictions on our freedoms.

        • kehua

          Wrong k, it upsets the people who have animals, kids and a right to privacy. After enduring 2.5 hours of very loud explosions from neighbour across the road from our place we finally had peace and quiet about 11.30. I went and checked our horses (we breed Quarter Horses) only to find my wifes 24 yo gelding had smashed through a 8 wire fence and spent a good part of the night upside down in scrub adjacent to his paddock, causing significant trauma to his legs and head. The horse was put down that morning. Accepting that the neighbour was quite entitled to have the fireworks on his property, I went over and told him `that he might be interested to know that we had lost a much loved old horse as a result of the loud bangs etc`, he immediately replied `I am not intereested at all, now get off my property`.
          You are welcome to your `freedom` , but not if I am going to pay for it.

          • grumpy

            Disputes Tribunal. These same circumstances have been heard before and damages awarded to the horse owner.

        • caochladh

          There are some things that Kerridge and I disagree on, but that does not preclude me from helping our innocent four legged friends who have suffered at the hands of the two legged mongrels.

        • WestieBob

          The SPCA won’t get anything from me since the head came out and said he wanted to ban big game fishing.

          • SlightlyStrange

            He also seems to think feral cats aren’t a problem.
            I have no issue with domestic cats, but feral cats are a nuisance and a pest-like species and should be treated as such.

    • Sally

      Have you ever watched the British TV series DIY SOS? If you haven’t, it is about a group of people who help out families due to misfortunate find their home no longer suits their needs ie wheelchair access needed etc. The good samaritans then step up and remodel their home.
      I would like to see something similar here in NZ. Help to people in genuine need because life has dealt them a rotten hand.

      • SlightlyStrange

        I would definitely donate to a cause like that.

  • kiwisnab

    Is the herald editorial today giving a nod to charter schools?

  • pisces8284 .

    Still in Sydney in the rain. I get on line to check what is happening in NZ and can’t find anything relevant on Stuff anymore, it’s just a tabloid now. Thank goodness for WO

  • conwaycaptain

    Now with Matt Mcarten having his feet securely under the table at Labour Leaders office we can now look forward to:
    MP’s being given the Don’t Come Monday Medal and their places being taken by Union Hacks and Brown Nosers. Just like the UK Labour Party and yet these UK Numpties could get in at the 2015 election.

    • Bluemanning

      Do you mean the inclusion of Helen Kelly onto the party list for all I know she may be all ready listed or ‘on staff’.

      • conwaycaptain

        Yes she will be on the Party List

    • Wheninrome

      Laila and Matt are good friends, I wonder what will happen there now she has forsaken the Internet Party, she will be looking for a sure thing trough job.

  • Great news for Putin:

    Now he can blame it on the evil west and keep Russia on its descent into lawlessness.

  • Ratchette

    Before some bonehead at the herald tells us that the price of petrol could reach $1.90 per liter soon, I purchased petrol this week at $1.83 (rounded up) & paid net $1.77 (Pak & Save voucher 6 cents)

  • Hans

    Shocking story – US police charge 90 year old man with feeding the homeless, you have
    to ask yourself, do i have a brain if i charge a 90 year old man? the
    police have the power to turn a blind eye and not charge you if common
    sense says this would be stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!

    the land of the not so free now days

  • shykiwibloke

    Love the cartoon of Nicky and Cam – amazing – both have won an award for use of the very same information. Perhaps Cam should have been awarded it twice……

  • Peter Maguire
    • dgrogan

      Top Politician and now Defender of Justice. I’m very impressed.

  • PG

    I’m hoping this is misreporting. If not, it is judicial activism of an abhorrent variety:


  • MaryLou

    Re new post about no news today – here’s some: Being written about on Whale Oil deemed to be sufficient reason to be given name suppression: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/64091160/Mans-name-suppressed-to-avoid-Whale-Oil-posts?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    • PG

      Hi MaryLou. I was so incensed I missed Peter’s post before mine. Will litigation now be delayed by lawyers arguing who is likely to comment and where? Welcome to multimedia folks. Your $200+ an hour game is up.

      • MaryLou

        You used the right word below – abhorrent. But unfortunately I think the amount of $200 hrs have just gone up – the precedent has been set, and if you read the comments section on ANY website – radio, tv, online papers – comments are invariably far, far more strident than anything Cam has written in the last year or so.

        So – doesn’t that all lead to a great place.