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  • George

    Goff made a mistake when he released the Intelligence and Security Report to journalists prior to the embargo being lifted. This is as hysterical as the Sunday Star Times gets on this illegal breach. This is “the in depth scrutiny” the media apply to socialists who engage in “dirty politics”. The rest of the article apppears to be grooming him as the next Mayor of Auckland.
    Apparently socialist make mistakes, the right, engage in corruption. This is becoming so tedious.

    • dumbshit

      similar to the narrative reporting Hone’s announcement that Mana and Dotcom were formally separating, and Harre was stepping down as the leader. Almost thought I was reading a sympathy card.

      • intelligentes candida diva

        I’m pleased to hear that season of self serving madness is over

    • All_on_Red

      Oh yes, they’re definitely lining Goff up for the Mayoralty. You watch. We’ll see “man of the people” type profiles as the usual dissembling enablers in the media get their orders and go to work. If the right sits still, it will be too late because with Goff, we will get more of the same we have had from Brown, as in totally ineffective management.

      • Chris EM

        Hopefully the sunlight will be shone on Goff before that can happen.

        • 1951

          ,,and Nick Smith had better trimmed the RMA with a chainsaw before then as well.

      • Aucky

        Labour already has Brown in Auckland, a recently installed Dalziel in Ch’ch and Wilde is leading the charge for Wellington Supercity. Are we seeing a concerted bid by labour to capture NZ at a grassroots level?

        • Cowgirl

          Well they can’t manage it at national level, so why not?

        • Simo

          That’s exactly what’s happening. The left have given up the contest at the parliamentary level and are trying to takeover at the council level. Be warned the centre right has to counter this otherwise we will have two political landscapes with hugely different outcome’s
          The left will rip us off with their inequality mantra using rates and services tax to fund their train sets and pet projects, the homeless, the poverty stricken……and endless support for the bludgers in our city.

          • kehua

            Yes a bigger tit to suck off and accountable to no-one for their largesse.

        • Alright

          You are on to Aucky. And don’t forget Yule in Hawkes Bay (supported by former Labour Party President Mike Williams).

          If you don’t believe in conspiracies, look the other way.

          • Carl

            Nick Leggett the mayor of Porirua has been talked about as a Labour party president.

  • intelligentes candida diva

    Today the sun is shining so early its beautiful in the south

    Xmas decorations up, getting in the zone, now time for wrapping Xmas presents .
    I enjoy the lead up to Xmas > busy, lights, giving.
    If Xmas isnt your thing…good will and kindness for you anyway.

    All the best of the season everyone
    http://s2.favim.com/orig/32/beautiful-beauty-christmas-decor-fashion-Favim.com-252336.jpg

    • Sally

      Enjoy the sun. It is a little bit wet here in the North this morning. Good day for a lie in.

      • Chris EM

        Very wet here. Dogs have gone back to bed, and I’m still in my dressing gown.

  • Sally

    There was a letter in the HOS from a recent arrival from the UK. He has been here a month and has trouble understanding our politics. All he has seen is our PM is friendly and likes texting but all the opposition do is undermine the government with mudslinging and whinging.

    Hope he soon discovers WO because he will fit right in.

  • Fascinating non-trivial trivia

    Law professor Roger Fisher suggested that nuclear launch codes be implanted in a volunteer’s heart. The president would be required to personally take the life of an innocent person before taking the lives of hundreds of millions.

    https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=ygoAAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=preventing+nuclear+war+fisher+roger+knife&source=bl&ots=oWhrDyArOt&sig=PFrPJh6VJ6oDL31f2-VTv05KPI0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=06OLVKyaBJb8oQS37YD4CQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

    • OT Richter

      Up the stakes – make it a close family member.

    • Isherman

      A good example of why you don’t let law professors have any operational power on military matter’s, that’s just silly on all sorts of levels.

      • LabTested

        exactly, what if the guy with the codes was away fishing the day Iran needed a spanking

        • Isherman

          Even worse, suppose his body was to be completely consumed and reduced to ash and bone by an unfortunately timed tragic house fire …what then?

    • Alright

      ….this is a bit like the suggestion that road accidents would fall dramatically if all cars manufacturers were required to replace driver air bags with a knife imbedded in the middle of steering wheels and pointed at the driver.

  • NoVictim

    Dairy Pollution and the price of milk, seems to be in the media a lot.
    Milk is to expensive in this country, is the common cry along with Dirty Dairying catch phrase.
    Does anyone else see a disconnect here?
    Is the comsumer willing to pay for the environmental damage that a particular commodity causes?
    I mean if you want to consume a product surely you should be prepared to pay the cost of repairing or mitigating that damage.
    Would people be prepared to pay more for dairy products if they knew the premium price was giving them clean rivers and a more healthy environment?

    • Yeahright

      Just like to say the Dairy Farmers are working full on to mitigate leaching, fencing and planting off ALL rivers at a huge financial burden. It is well known that Cities and towns polite rivers more, but you are right maybe we could add a tax on all Dairy products to help with the farmers “River” management, it might shut a few of them up!

      • Wheninrome

        Exactly, we are doing the best we can as fast as we can. Took years to pollute and will take years to clean, but given how the River Thames is now “clean” let us live with a positive note that it can and will be done and is being done.
        Not whinge, whinge, whinge, why aren’t they why don’t they. In fact some of the whingers should get off their backsides, there are plenty of tree planting occasions taking place which they could donate a day of their time to, think what progress would be made then.

  • Bart67

    After viewing the TV3 news report on the commemorative street march on the 75th anniversary of the Battle of the River Plate, I was very unimpressed with the quality of the reporting by the young lady who seemed to think she is some sort of journalist. I took the opportunity to send a message through to the TV3 news offices, but as it will no doubt be ignored, I would like to post it here.

    With regard to the report filed by Ashleigh Tulloch about the commemoration of the Battle of the River Plate in Auckland today, I would like to raise a few issues.

    The German vessel was the Admiral Graf Spee, NOT the Admiral Graf Spree! Spree is a soft drink!

    Servicemen who serve in our navy are referred to as Seamen, or Sailors, they are NOT soldiers, or “Navy Soldiers”.

    The prefix given to ships of the NZ Navy is HMNZS, NOT HMSNZ. This stands for Her Majesty’s New Zealand Ship.

    A mention of the other ships involved in the battle, such as AJAX, EXETER, or CUMBERLAND might have been nice, rather than portray the event as a battle between two single ships.

    The battle itself lasted considerably more than one hour, with the engagement lasting most of the day. Graf Spee fired her first salvo’s at 0618 in the morning, and the last shots of the battle were fired at 1915 that evening.

    These facts would have been easily verified by a short visit to wikipedia, or a little research undertaken in a timely fashion. Instead, Ms Tulloch chose to file an error ridden report, which to my mind showed a tremendous amount of disrespect to the four veterans who were honoured today, and to the countless veterans of the Battle who have already passed.

    Numerous negative comments on Facebook are illustrative of how this report has been perceived by current and former Naval personnel.

    Please attempt to do better, or at least engage in a little cursory research!

    • Spiker

      This is a perfect example of where Freed will hopefully do better. If you have a good general knowledge in this area perhaps you should offer the CEO of Freed your services as an on call RKI. I’ve done it with my area of interest & was gratefully accepted.

    • cows4me

      I think my father in law served on the Achilles, he was in the SBS at some stage and he was a bloody hard case. He found religion and became a Ratana minister and use to marry people for two kegs of Lion Red, a brilliant guy with a poor taste in beer.

      • conwaycaptain

        I was up for one of my certificates and I think it was in 1973 that INS Delhi visited NZ. She was Achilles in the RNZN/RN and as she left Akl ex Achilles men formed up on her quarterdeck.
        There was some talk of buying her for scrap value off the Indians to moor here in Akl Harbour. However by that time she had been parked up in Mumbai for many a long year as a depot ship and her boilers etc were knackered. She could have been towed down at great expense but the cost of running her in Akl would have been v great.

        • cows4me

          Yes it’s a shame a lot of our military history is gone, we don’t seem to have much compared to countries like Aussie or the US, I guess it boils down to money and distance from conflicts. My father in law was also on the Black Prince.

          • Aucky

            There has just been an excellent series on History Channel on the Australian War Memorial Museum in Canberra called The Memorial. A brilliant programme and worth a look when they repeat it. What a magnificent facility it is and one cannot but fail to be impressed by the way that the Aussies treasure their Anzacs.

    • conwaycaptain

      At the time of the Battle Achilles was HMS as the RNZN had not been formed. She was part of the NZ Division of the RN.

      • Bart67

        Yeah, but she called TE KAHA HMSNZ TE KAHA, and TE KAHA has never been in the RN that I am aware of!

    • Wheninrome

      My primary school teach was on the Achilles, all sorts of things trigger memories, he was an excellent teacher, small country school, all “standard” children in one class ” primers in the other.
      He used to let another child and myself use his golf clubs in the lunch hour to hit golf balls.

    • ex-JAFA

      I also noticed a reference to some rank of “lootennant”. I’m pretty sure the Navy actually has a rank of lieutenant.

      • conwaycaptain

        They have seen too many Yank movies. It is pronounced leftenant.
        Oh by the way you serve IN a ship not ON it.

  • Wheninrome

    Judith Collins article in Sunday Star excellent, concise, stays on the point so all can understand.
    Phil Goff long winded, covering as much paper as he can confusing as to his point.
    In short “fence sitting”.
    Judith Collins asking a small donation be made to hospice in lieu of payment
    Phil Goff asking a donation be made to a charity. (not sure if he is also taking payment).
    Then big beat up article on Goff above his article.
    Judith got the smallest column, but then she only needed that amount of space to get her point across.
    I can see why Parliament sittings take so long given Phil Goff’s long winded article, and why MP’s get lost in the tangle of words.
    If MP’s were paid on results the House would sit for less time and it would cost less money.

    • Rick H

      Goff is always very long-winded.
      He starts a sentence, speaking too slowly, sentences so long that by the time he’s half way through, you’ve forgotten what he’s talking about.

      • Damon Mudgway

        He’s got to be seen to be doing something for his taxpayer funded salary…otherwise he would be getting paid by us to simply do nothing. Which is really all he’s doing anyway.

    • Yellow Admiral

      What on earth is the point of inviting Judith and Goff to write articles if all they are going to do is shoot down each other? I hope what we see today is not an indicator of the way this will develop.
      Judith can do much better than just countering Goff …. an does she get the larger space next weekend with Goff challenging her?

      Nonsense …

  • Isherman

    Being a seriously mad keen fisho, I’ve always had a problem with methods such as long-lining, kites and Kontikis, and now drones, being called ‘fishing’. Let me be clear, its not fishing thank you very much, its harvesting, nothing more. That’s my whinge for the morning and I feel better now.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11373931

    • ah the old “no true fisherman” fallacy…..

      • Isherman

        Fallacy?, nah..or at least not in terms of recreational fishing. As per my reply to OT above, I’m Ok with them being employed, but folks such as myself consider (recreational) fishing a contest of sorts, particularly with regards to game fish species.

        • Each to their own, we long-line set-net and surf cast for fish, and sit there in the dingy with rods and reels, it is its own challenge, And we do it to eat the fish not hunt them for pleasure.

          • Isherman

            I’ve been a bit remiss on the surfcasting in recent years. love it. Last time I did it we were targeting Kingies off flat rock at Piha, and the day was ruined by some muppet who got collected off the edge of the rock (after ignoring our advice not to) by a swell breaking on the rocks, took me about 40 minutes to dive in and get him, and swim him back to the beach around the corner. When I got him back and the rest of my party had gone back over the hill to meet us and alert the surf lifesaver’s, the miserable bugger was more concerned about the gear that he lost…

    • OT Richter

      As seen on NZ TV:

      http://fishharvester.com/

      • Isherman

        Yeah I’ve seen it advertised, and IMO its an honest description. I don’t have a problem with these methods per se, I just don’t consider them fishing in the truest sense of the word. that being said, if they are used incorrectly, ie being left out too long you can have issues with juvenile mortality, as fish will die on ling line relatively easily.

    • mommadog

      Like canned hunts or living on a farm and supplying your own food. Shooting something in a pen may get you dinner but its not hunting. Both hunting and fishing require some skill.

      • ex-JAFA

        Darryl Kerrigan reckons fishing is 10% brains and 95% muscle, the rest is just good luck.

        • Isherman

          Unfortunately, there are too many so-called fishermen with about 10% brains, usually the ones that end up losing their lives or the lives of those with them, like these guys that pile 6 blokes into a 12 ft tinny, no lifejackets, no comms gear , go out in less than average conditions in un- seaworthy boats etc. Some of them just have no idea at all and have no business being out there because they potentially endanger other people that have to go and get them. Its happened to me (see my below comments) with an idiot type off the rocks.

  • Hakaru

    Just had this sent to me from New York of all places. Hope the link works as it is a must see for all of those who use schools as babysitters.

    http://buzz.hotmomsclub.com/concerned-parents-call-school-are-shocked-by-answering-machine-message/

    • LabTested

      absolutely brilliant. lol

  • nellie

    What a great result for Auckland City FC!

    • Carl

      A great win and even bigger payday for them, good stuff.

      • nellie

        Excellent goal too, Irving had a bit of work to do…

        http://www.flashscore.com/match/xCWFfvOI/#video

        • Carl

          It was not as if they were lucky I thought they were the better team.

      • Stuarts.burgers

        Yea but stuffs it up for others, ACFC now have a nice large war chest to go off and buy more players while in Hamilton Henderson Dunedin and Christchurch the other teams in the NZ League will have to work out where they can get that type of money to compete.
        Many the other teams should do a Man City and have a Company associated with the owner pay a way over the top sponsorship so as to get around the fair play rules.

        • Carl

          Even if they lose they get $2.5 million and 50% goes to NZ football to split between all the other clubs so it is something.

  • RadioLIVE Newsroom @LIVENewsDesk

    There’re fears two young Australian women are travelling to Syria and Iraq to offer themselves as brides to Islamic State terrorists.

    *sigh*

  • Bart67

    I’ve just read this article about all the political shenanigans from the election from Bryce Edwards in the Herald.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11373917

    Interestingly, not ONE mention about Cam? Have you been granted name suppression or something?

    What a petty little creep!

  • Hard1

    On the drink driving campaign, Police said “Police say they are “extremely disappointed” by the number of people caught drink driving during a 24-hour operation targeting alcohol-related crime.”

    On the new lower limits, Police said “Police expect to issue 19,000 additional tickets in the first year of the new regime, potentially netting $3.8 million.”

    Are they admitting that their expensive campaigns against drink driving are ineffective already?.

  • Simo

    Today is a small victory of sorts, finally MSM is picking up the story:
    Brian Gaynor explains:

    • taurangaruru

      AUS$1.22 in Perth today, no doubt there are taxes built into that as well. $NZ v $Aus cross around 1.07 – do the math & it does not come to NZ$1.97. Just shows how much successive NZ Governments have used petrol to gouge the NZ motorist, & the likes of Len Brown now advocating to take more from the motorist to fund his “legacy.”

    • Mark

      I’ve probably said it here before,but the petrol stations should list their price & margin & then the additional taxes with the selling price.

  • Mark

    My Raggamuffin Rant;

    When an event organiser shows no respect for my time or my cash they are unlikely to have my continued support as a customer. Requiring me to queue to convert the cash in my pocket (for a fee) to use it with their other customers (stall holders) is not going to get me to part with it.

    Events using AWOP cards are unlikely to to get my support,or as was the case at Raggamuffin,I will prepare ahead of time to get through with no spend whatsoever past my entry ticket. The $200 cash in my pocket really was there to be spent

    Shame really as the food & oddly beer was at a reasonable price,until of course you saw their was a con under the “Green” guise with the beer too,polished these scoundrels definitely are. A $1 dep on the can bought,limit 4,with max return each time of 6,bet that was not a cash refund thou LOL. Then you needed a way to carry sticky wet cans,missed an opportunity to sell brown paper bags there,oh wait…

    Having donation buckets for cards & a mail in refund system where I am no doubt behind other creditors including stall holders,does nothing to make me feel like other than a “Mark” to be fleeced.

    Oh & if it is not already happening,wise up stall holders,this will be a move towards charging a % of the take you have.

    I know there are many reasons why I am treated like a child at events,but I’m very over it.

    I spend thousands each year on events in NZ,OZ & the USA. I do have the ability to pick & choose.

    ps the lineup was great,the stage changes & performances to a highly professional level,but unless they actually can resurrect Uncle Bob,I doubt I’ll be back to Raggamuffin.

    Mark

  • Wheninrome

    Mortgagee sale in paper today. “Nasty Bank”
    I bet it wasn’t a “Nasty Bank” when they borrowed all that money.
    Where did the valuation come from, was it the bank’s valuer, was it the customer’s valuation so they could borrow yet more money.
    $800,000.00 shortfall on the sale. I wonder whether they thought they were going to make a lot of money on this house because of the Auckland market. Greed plays a large part in these stories.
    It takes a while for a mortgagee sale to kick in. There is time to sell privately, and you will, if you are not greedy.
    Bit like all the failures during the economic downturn. Sad yes, lives ruined yes, BUT people need to look at themselves, the old adage the higher the “reward” the higher the risk. GREED is the cause of most bad luck stories in the financial world. If it looks too good to be true, it will be.
    If people didn’t support these types of individuals there would not be the problems and “bad luck” stories in the newspaper.
    A plus, the Herald etc., would be starved of their type of news.

    • taurangaruru

      Just enforces the fact that the market determines the value of a house, the owner reckons it was worth $2 million yet the market says it is worth 1.2 million. Therefore the current value of the house is 1.2 million never mind what sob story is put about or how leveraged the owner was to fund the initial deal.

  • Hard1

    An interesting comment from a friend last night. His firearms licence had lapsed so he had to resit it. Most of the attendees here in Auckland were Muslim. It seems some are stocking up, as they aren’t seen at several clubs that this chap belongs to.
    Do the Police keep records of how many Muslims in NZ own firearms and for what purpose?.

    • Isherman

      Well if as a Muslim, your meat should be Halal, I don’t see how that can be achieved with a bullet. Not sure about stats collection, it might be a concern if lots of E Cat applications were coming from new migrants. That being said, Im not suggesting non-white or Maori New Zealanders shouldn’t be able to have a firearms licence. Lets hope the vetting and referee process holds up OK.

      • Hard1

        Yup, facing towards Mecca. So they’re not hunting, even goats.

        • Reaper

          It would certainly make hunting more challenging, having to coax a wild animal to turn to face Mecca before killing it.

          Have any of the hunters here seen any Muslims out in the bush?

          • Hard1

            Have a look at these absolutely diabolical Muslim rules for slaughtering and hunting ….

            http://www.al-islam.org/islamic-laws-ayatullah-al-uzma-sayyid-ali-al-husaini-seestani/slaughtering-and-hunting-animals

            How does any human write law like this ?. Is it for hygiene ?.

          • Reaper

            Crikey, pretty complicated then. Suffice to say they do not need guns to hunt the way we know hunting. I know hunters and farmers need guns, who else needs guns?

            BTW I like this bit: “While slaughtering the sheep (or a goat), both of its hands and one foot should be tied together and the other foot should be left free. As for a cow, its two hands and two feet should be tied and the tail should be left free.”

            Hands? Cows4me – do your cows have hands, as mine do not appear to have any!

      • kehua

        Why did the word Maori com einto this wee debate?

        • Isherman

          Might have come across incorrectly on re-reading the comment, I refer to New Zealanders other than European or Maori, ie new immigrants.

  • Sally

    Noticed today Amazon advertising on my Facebook page Hager’s madeup book on Dirty Politics. What a turnoff.

  • Alright

    This does my head in! A fool breaks the rules and dies, and responsible people get the blame, and take a financial hit.

    But then ethnicity apparently excuses many people in this country of any responsibility for their folly.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11373483

    • BlitzkriegNZ

      Chris is a good guy and from what I know, he does a good job at keeping it safe. I’ve supervised kids on a flying fox at Waimarino in Tauranga and one girl changed her hand position on the ropes half way down so when she hit the end she went flying and was lucky to not get hurt. I placed her hands in the right position and specifically warned her not change it, some people are just thick.

      • Alright

        I am not surprised. They have had threats because a muppet illegally used equipment they own, has a heart attack, falls off and dies, and they lose a lot of money and heartache.

        Has the world been turned upside down?

  • garryb

    yep, had exactly that over the last few days , only when i came on WO, so did a cleanup etc , and have not had the problem , not sure what caused it,
    as my harddrive was 40%

  • BlitzkriegNZ

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Paintball-Park/382318001844250

    Go check out this page and scroll down through the pics. Anyone have any contacts with osh/worksafe/whoever they call themselves now? I’m sure with the talk of a crack down on adventure tourism operators they’d love to see such unsafe retardedry posted up for all to see….

    • BlitzkriegNZ

      Paintball park in Rotorua is also a field that uses IPG, the alleged scammers who were featured on fair go for ripping people off with their tickets they sell in the malls.

  • dumbshit

    popped up on my ipad that my windows files needed attention, did not think it was relevent to “apple” so just ignored it, haven’t seen it for a couple of days

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